[jariel]

[Nomad77]

Talk about supporting evidence. This dude just slam dunked my damn case!

He nailed the problem: American women are takers, foreign women are givers.

And what are we giving to these takers? All the sex and validation they crave! And what are we getting in return? The pleasure of doing so.

[Beyond Borders]

(04-20-2014 08:14 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

(04-20-2014 06:42 PM)Mujeriego Wrote:  

I think what causes guys problems is that they're looking for a new car in a junk yard. It's apparent what the score is here in the US so why waste time lamenting the state of things? Knock these girls down like bowling pins and when you want a wife hop on a plane to a place where they're not brainwashed with the feminist bullshit.

This won't work. If you bring a woman to this country, she will become just like the women here within one year.

Who said anything about bringing her back?

[Tideride]

Nice post nomad77.

Agreed. Its the Anglosohere culture more than anything. America turned a masculine republic into a feminist democracy and its bs for men today in college campuses its 70% girls- wtf are young men supposed to do for a lifetime career in this gender bender pc system- be baristas, sell crack, flip burgers, work a call center??? I don't say that to complain but just to point out what anti male bs the system is pushing on men and masculinity in general. Others have said nothing in history is as messed up as the demographics and culture America is engrossed in now. Like a song goes by band Dark New Day "It's sick either way... It's sick either way you look at it".

[Mujeriego]

(04-21-2014 12:28 AM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  

(04-20-2014 08:14 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

(04-20-2014 06:42 PM)Mujeriego Wrote:  

I think what causes guys problems is that they're looking for a new car in a junk yard. It's apparent what the score is here in the US so why waste time lamenting the state of things? Knock these girls down like bowling pins and when you want a wife hop on a plane to a place where they're not brainwashed with the feminist bullshit.

This won't work. If you bring a woman to this country, she will become just like the women here within one year.

Who said anything about bringing her back?

Exactly. There's a reason I omitted bringing her back to the states. It would be a fool's errand.

[Nomad77]

(04-21-2014 12:28 AM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  

(04-20-2014 08:14 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

(04-20-2014 06:42 PM)Mujeriego Wrote:  

I think what causes guys problems is that they're looking for a new car in a junk yard. It's apparent what the score is here in the US so why waste time lamenting the state of things? Knock these girls down like bowling pins and when you want a wife hop on a plane to a place where they're not brainwashed with the feminist bullshit.

This won't work. If you bring a woman to this country, she will become just like the women here within one year.

Who said anything about bringing her back?

So that means living outside of the US. Very few men are going to be able to do that.

[Mujeriego]

(04-21-2014 01:03 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

(04-21-2014 12:28 AM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  

(04-20-2014 08:14 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

(04-20-2014 06:42 PM)Mujeriego Wrote:  

I think what causes guys problems is that they're looking for a new car in a junk yard. It's apparent what the score is here in the US so why waste time lamenting the state of things? Knock these girls down like bowling pins and when you want a wife hop on a plane to a place where they're not brainwashed with the feminist bullshit.

This won't work. If you bring a woman to this country, she will become just like the women here within one year.

Who said anything about bringing her back?

So that means living outside of the US. Very few men are going to be able to do that.

Either we leave and get what what we want or we stay and deal with it. If you want something bad enough you'll do what you need to do in order to attain it. Complaining about things will get us nowhere which is why many members of this forum have focused on learning a second language and fostering location independent sources of income. Others are saving up a large nest egg/investing for their eventual departure. Where there' s a will, there's a way.

[Nomad77]

I don't view this as complaining. The first part of solving any problem is recognizing and understand what the problem is. We all complain about American women. My point of this thread is to point out that as long as us men keeping giving them what they want they will have no reason to change. As always we are our worse enemy not the women.

[Valhalla]

Have you guys ever felt that the women with whom you were having sex seemed to view the intercourse as some sort of performance, as if there were a camera in the room or something?

Sometimes I get the sense that women feel like they're starring in their own porno, and that the sex isn't about anything other than the woman validating herself by trying to act and feel sexy. I am just there.

When I'm having sex, my experience is inseparable from the woman's.

But observing the woman, I get the sense that sex on her side isn't about me at all, her enjoyment, validation, and self-esteem don't come from any sort of mutual connection or activity. There's no connection or passion, she is getting fucked and closed her eyes and drifts away.

Rather than intimacy between two people, it's almost like she's a musician on stage putting on a show for an anonymous audience. The audience is focused on the musician, but the musician doesn't care about the audience and instead just gets validated from being on stage and in the spotlight.

I could be anyone really. Sex for women is a self centered performance.

[Bill]

(04-21-2014 01:35 AM)Valhalla Wrote:  

Have you guys ever felt that the women with whom you were having sex seemed to view the intercourse as some sort of performance, as if there were a camera in the room or something?

Sometimes I get the sense that women feel like they're starring in their own porno, and that the sex isn't about anything other than the woman validating herself by trying to act and feel sexy. I am just there.

When I'm having sex, my experience is inseparable from the woman's.

But observing the woman, I get the sense that sex on her side isn't about me at all, her enjoyment, validation, and self-esteem don't come from any sort of mutual connection or activity. There's no connection or passion, she is getting fucked and closed her eyes and drifts away.

Rather than intimacy between two people, it's almost like she's a musician on stage putting on a show for an anonymous audience. The audience is focused on the musician, but the musician doesn't care about the audience and instead just gets validated from being on stage and in the spotlight.

I could be anyone really. Sex for women is a self centered performance.

At least it´s better than a starfish. Life is a show anyway, isn´t?

[soup]

If you feel like you are being "used", you are coming from the mentality of a pussy that has been fucked.

[MY DETROIT PLAYAS]

Since we all know sex does NOT necessarily equal intimacy, maybe withhold sex longer

Increase her 'investment' outside of the bedroom

Unfortunately, women have become so programmed that all us men want is pussy, that they have 'adapted' their thinking to a more masculine approach of 'getting theirs'

It's like the movie 'Boomerang', where Eddie Murphy's playeristic character meets the female version of himself (Robin Givens) and realizes he is just receiving the same treatment he had been dishing out for years.

No feelings, all business

[The Beast1]

(04-21-2014 02:09 AM)soup Wrote:  

If you feel like you are being "used", you are coming from the mentality of a pussy that has been fucked.

Care to elaborate on what you mean?

[soup]

(04-21-2014 11:08 AM)frenchie Wrote:  

(04-21-2014 02:09 AM)soup Wrote:  

If you feel like you are being "used", you are coming from the mentality of a pussy that has been fucked.

Care to elaborate on what you mean?

I mean that you shouldn't put yourself in positions or frame your life in such a way that you don't feel like you are being used.

I think women like to be used/dominated/taken advantage of. It's the dark secret of their existence. They get turned on by guys who do that kind of thing to them.. the bad boy. That's why I say it's like being pussy getting fucked.

[Nomad77]

Again, most men are don't get turned on by having to pretend to be pornstar or sadist. The average guy is not into tying up a woman and dominating her. We just want some decent sex with some level of intimacy, affection, and connection. We want to feel like human beings and I don't think that's asking too much.

[soup]

(04-21-2014 11:16 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

Again, most men are don't get turned on by having to pretend to be pornstar or sadist. The average guy is not into tying up a woman and dominating her. We just want some decent sex with some level of intimacy, affection, and connection. We want to feel like human beings and I don't think that's asking too much.

Domination is psychological.

Game is completely about dominating a woman's mind.

[tiggaling]

(04-19-2014 07:52 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

There are two things can be done. First, we created this situation not women. Women did not take anything from us, we relinquished it.

1. We can raise better daughters. This is the first way we created this problem. Our fathers raised a bunch of entitled princesses then empowered them with their money.

2. Icarus hit on it. We have to act collectively. If a woman found a certain behavior not tolerated by most men she would correct it. I refuse to tolerate certain behavior from women regardless of her beauty but unfortunately I am a minority when it comes to this.

Really, I don't think number 1 is going to work. As if daughters ever listened to their fathers?

As for number 2, I am in the minority too, but it just isn't good enough. You can refuse to tolerate behaviour from women, but they will also punish you (or try to do so) if you don't acknowledge her "power". Also, they will largely just not comprehend or learn from any of your actions regardless.

The problem really is "sex" and the ignorant framework or culture of it in the first place - which is "fucked".

You can do your best to "teach" women so you can get what you want, the problem is they will go back out into the world of males and not easily find what you were giving them, because most men are fucking clueless. And I say to them, look, if you want something more than just a rough pounding you have to teach these men and show them, most are just not interested and would prefer to hold onto their man issues and the paradigm of princess.

[AneroidOcean]

(04-20-2014 08:10 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

I am not a big fan of SNL but every once in awhile I do it just to reminding myself why I don't like it. The last time was fairly decent looking, highly educated, white American girl. She had the whole pornstar routine down pat. You name it, she was willing to do it. I went through all the motions but as always I felt like I was acting in some porn movie - no emotions. This girl knew nothing about me, I didn't even feel she saw me as a person. To her I was just a human sex toy to get her off. After she was lying in the bed and there was a moment where she was just looking at me. It was the first time that night I felt she actually saw me and just for a few seconds there was a flicker of affection in her eyes. About the sex, I really don't have anything pleasant to remember but that little moment, just those few seconds, I actually felt like a human being.

For all aspiring pornstars and men that enjoy this kind of sex, this is your time, and this is your country.

If you don't like SNL that much and you're getting these kinds of reactions from women, what relationships are you going after? Sure sounds like you're not in any kind of decent relationship to me from this description:

(04-19-2014 11:18 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

This really hit me the other night when at 4am in the morning this American woman informed me that she wasn't finish having sex as yet after I told her I was tired. She told me to go take a Viagra or something and when I told her that doesn't give you energy. She then told me to take a Red Bull with it. Or another time this girl told me right after sex, the Kardashians are going to be on soon - meaning, it's was time for me to leave. More and more I am beginning to feel like a cheap prostitute. If we think we are fucking these girls, we are delusional. It is we who are getting fucked and since we are still clinging to our outdated "conqueror/notch" mentally we don't even realize it.

I've met plenty of women that have bad attitudes or screwed up views of sex, but I'm not having sex with them. Why are you guys?

I dominate in bed, but it's not all domination all the time. Every girl I have sex with has affection for me and there's significant emotion involved, it's not some robotic fuck session and it's over.

I think you guys are going after something you don't want. Go find some girls that want relationships/emotion, they are out there, you're fishing with the wrong bait, not just in the wrong pond.

[Nomad77]

Well, affection and emotions are relative terms just like beauty. It could be that for you American girls do give enough but as you can see there are many, many guys on here and else where that feel otherwise.

[Christian McQueen]

(04-19-2014 04:44 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

@Menace Actually no it won't. American culture is rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world.

When did it become something to aspire to enjoy choking, slapping, calling a woman a slut and a whore, and making her gag on your dick and then cumming on her face. When did this become good sex? You have to be mentally retarded and fucked up to enjoy this shit. There is nothing emotionally healthy about it. Yet, this is what men today aspire to be, the kind of man that can not only do this but actually enjoys doing it. We are actually telling men to become a sadist. No, we are telling boys to become gigolo's that enjoy sadistic sex. And when I say we I am including women in there too and if you have any doubt about this just look at the success of 50 Shades of Grey.

Bit of a blanket statement there. Guess I'm retarded.

I've always enjoyed sex like this.

Call me Dark Triad, or whatever, but the idea of lying in bed missionary style cooing sweet "I love you" (s) into her ear makes me want to gag.

[Comte De St. Germain]

I enjoy it on occasion as well, but women as a whole shouldn't adore it. Everything is fine in moderation. These kind of acts too.

[cocoballs]

I think to enjoy dark triad sex you have to really think that particular girl is a piece of shit, and have no respect for her whatsoever. Which is why it works so well for dating in 2014. But I agree with Nomad, I also am missing love and affection in girls, and I also think sex when you have some warm or friendly feelings towards the girl feels a lot better.

The other reason Dark Triad sex gets old after a while, at least to me, is because sex is supposed to be relaxing, a release from all the stress you go through at work and in life in general. Dark sex is not relaxing at all, it's a physical exercise tougher than crossfit.

[The Lizard of Oz]

So being into fucking a girl without the need to "cuddle" and worship her heart and soul is now considered "dark triad", "sadistic" or "sociopathic"?

I thought someone said this was the age of "sexual liberation"? If that's true, I wonder what a prudish age would look like. LOL.

[Nomad77]

It doesn't matter what it is: sex, drugs, women. When you can only get your rocks off at the extreme end of the spectrum then it is only a matter of time before you run out of road. The concept of diminishing returns kick in and you fall into a cycle of addiction: achieving the same level of pleasure requires more and more of whatever got you there to begin with.

There is an old saying: moderation in all things and it has taken me years of pain and suffering to realize just how true it is. In America we are told more is always better and it's the biggest lie and the No. 1 cause of our greatest unhappiness and probably the single most important causation of our various addictions.

While McQueen and Oz may enjoy this type of sex. It does not mean that you should or will. Don't allow anyone else to define what makes you happy. You are not them.

PS I have a good friend that enjoys having sex with girls that are practically dead lying there exactly like a dead fish. He would probably think you are weird
And I have already complained about the sheer amount of physical work this crazy pornstar sex is.

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-25274.html

[The Lizard of Oz]

(04-21-2014 10:45 PM)cocoballs Wrote:  

The other reason Dark Triad sex gets old after a while, at least to me, is because sex is supposed to be relaxing, a release from all the stress you go through at work and in life in general. Dark sex is not relaxing at all, it's a physical exercise tougher than crossfit.

LOL!!

It's not that bad, really! You don't have to go through 10 different positions like in a porn film.

In fact let me tell you a little secret.

The point of fucking a girl is to do whatever the fuck you want.

If you want to fuck her in doggie for half an hour, that's what you do. If you want to shoot a load in her mouth after 5 minutes, do that. You want to fuck every hole and come on her face, go for it.

I don't understand why guys feel they have to do anything. What's the point??

You know what drives women crazier than anything else? Men who do whatever they want at every moment and don't give a fuck.

Maybe that's the real "dark triad", LOL!

So much "darkness", apparently -- and so little relish of fucking and of pleasure. What's up with that?