[Screwston]

^ That's the kind of sex I love

[Icarus]

(04-19-2014 04:42 PM)Lika Wrote:  

This growing inability to share love in Western modern societies is the sign of a great dangerous perturbation. As a religious would say, Satan is starting to win the game

From the thread on Houellebecq's Whatever:

(01-17-2012 09:41 PM)Basil Ransom Wrote:  

Here is the passage to which I was referring:

Quote:

From the amorous point of view, Veronique belonged, as we all do, to a sacrificed generation. She had certainly been capable of love; she wished to still be capable of it, I’ll say that for her; but it was no longer possible. A scarce, artificial and belated phenomenon, love can only blossom under certain mental conditions, rarely conjoined, and totally opposed to the freedom of morals which characterizes the modern era. Veronique had known too many discotheques, too many lovers; such a way of life impoverishes a human being, inflicting sometimes serious and always irreversible damage.

Love as a kind of innocence and as a capacity for [illusion, as an aptitude for epitomizing the whole of the] other sex in a single loved being, rarely resists a year of sexual immorality, and never two. In reality the successive sexual experiences accumulated during adolescence undermine and rapidly destroy all possibility of projection of an emotional and romantic sort; progressively, and in fact extremely quickly, one becomes as capable of love as an old slag.

And so one leads, obviously, a slag’s life; in ageing one becomes less seductive, and on that account, bitter. One is jealous of the younger, and so one hates them. Condemned to remain unvowable, this hatred festers and becomes increasingly fervent; then it dies down and fades away, just as everything fades away. All that remains is resentment and disgust, sickness and the anticipation of death.

[Nomad77]

(04-19-2014 04:48 PM)Screwston Wrote:  

^ That's the kind of sex I love

If it is in your nature to be so, ok. I have a good friend who enjoys it BUT I don't feel it's something that should be held up as anything of distinction or something to aspire to. I am all for whatever floats your boat but I see a lot of kids trying to be someone they are not and that ultimately leads to messed up and unhappy people.

[Screwston]

I didn't think most guys were trying to fuck like Rocco? Girls always say they've never met a guy like me in bed and that every other guy is scared to really dominate.

[Icarus]

(04-19-2014 04:44 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

When did it become something to aspire to enjoy choking, slapping, calling a woman a slut and a whore

The problem is that there are women who cannot orgasm if they are not fucked violently, with plenty of choking, slapping, and hair-pulling. I know it's messed up, but it's my experience.

Unfortunately, in 2013 I stupidly fell in love, for the first time in many years. She was from Eastern Europe, and I thought things would be different with her. However, she could not orgasm if I "made love" to her. She wanted to be fucked violently, very violently, and if I did not fuck her violently like on our first night, she would complain that I was now fucking her "like a 16 year old boy" (her words) and that I needed to be "more alpha" (also her words).

The more pussified modern men become, the more women become desperate for dominant men. Emancipation!!!!

[Ice]

(04-19-2014 04:27 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

Life, or the good life, is always relative. Just look at the millions of people that eat at McDonald's every day. The vast majority of sex that's happening in America today is just as fast and has just about as much substance. I guess if you like your sex the same way you like your food then modern day America is the place for you - no need to change anything.

I think it's just a matter of preference. You can also see it in a positive light. Girls want to have sex with you and they are very honest about what they want. This one girl told you that she wants to watch some stupid TV show and that's why she wants you to go. Is that rude? Yes. At the same time, she was at least honest with you. I think there is merit to that.

Of course, ideally you want to meet girls who actually enjoy spending time with you.

[jariel]

(04-19-2014 11:32 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

She did say it in a nice way. The girls don't even care what my name is or anything about me. It use to be that after we had sex with a girl we could expect some affection, love, easier sex - not anymore. Sex was the hill that had to be climbed to get to the lake on the other side. Sex today has about the same meaning as a make out did five years ago and a make out has also no meaning now.

I was going to start a thread posing the question if guys thought casual sex has become too casual.

Casual sex used to mean you were fucking someone you were cool with, but it didn't make sense to have a formal relationship with them. Now casual sex means you're just means to a hands-free orgasm, then GTFO.

[Nomad77]

I don't know, it's just that I am seeing trends that I find troubling. Young guys are acting more and more like girls did. At the same time, girls are becoming more masculine and requiring greater and greater dominance just to get turned on. (As Icarus experienced) I have been very fortunate to have been with a very wide range of women and I have a very good instinct about women. A lot of women I am meeting these days are what I term DG = Damaged Goods. I don't feel good interacting with them. I don't feel good spending time with them. I don't feel good even having sex with them. Because experience has taught me that nothing good comes from being in the company of these messed up women - yet, men seem love them.

[Nomad77]

(04-19-2014 05:07 PM)Icarus Wrote:  

The more pussified modern men become, the more women become desperate for dominant men. Emancipation!!!!

This is very true. The paradox of feminism.

@Jariel Yep, that about sums it up.

[Nomad77]

The way things are going is great for the top guys - the 5% percenters but it sucks for the average guy. The reality is, most guys will never achieve that top 5% of either game or looks. For the vast majority of guys out there, none of this is good for them.

I am not here to give the top 5% more of what they already have. I am here to make a difference in the lives of the other 95.

[Ice]

(04-19-2014 06:28 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

I am not here to give the top 5% more of what they already have. I am here to make a difference in the lives of the other 95.

And how exactly do you wanna do that?

[Icarus]

(04-19-2014 06:58 PM)Ice Wrote:  

(04-19-2014 06:28 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

I am not here to give the top 5% more of what they already have. I am here to make a difference in the lives of the other 95.

And how exactly do you wanna do that?

The obvious (and admittedly insane) solution would be a marriage cartel.

Individual men have no power, but collectively they do. Form the equivalent of a labor union for the sexual markets. No man would be allowed to marry a woman with tattoos, or over 25 years old. Violators of the "strike" would be assassinated summarily, to serve as an example. An entire generation of women would never marry. The next generation would be scared into submission. Sexual Anarcho-Syndicalism, bitches!!!

I am kidding, of course, but I think this could be a good starting point for a future Houellebecq book.

[Prophylaxis]

Great post Nomad. Something that has been on my mind as well for a while.

It's not uncommon for woman now to initiate the ONS now, only to never hear back from them again.

Hell, I've been aching to tee up with a few attractive women following a ONS, only for them to go off the radar.

At times I think it was buyer's remorse. Or MY game/logistics.

But the more I think about it, the more I realize these women only fucked me for their validation. The pendulum has certainly swung and all we can do is leave.

Let's be honest, men need sex like oxygen - simply 'not fucking' is not an option. We all need to change our environment if we're unhappy with our women.

[Nomad77]

(04-19-2014 06:58 PM)Ice Wrote:  

(04-19-2014 06:28 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

I am not here to give the top 5% more of what they already have. I am here to make a difference in the lives of the other 95.

And how exactly do you wanna do that?

Thanks Prophylaxis.

There are two things can be done. First, we created this situation not women. Women did not take anything from us, we relinquished it.

1. We can raise better daughters. This is the first way we created this problem. Our fathers raised a bunch of entitled princesses then empowered them with their money.

2. Icarus hit on it. We have to act collectively. If a woman found a certain behavior not tolerated by most men she would correct it. I refuse to tolerate certain behavior from women regardless of her beauty but unfortunately I am a minority when it comes to this.

[caracal]

It's been hinted at in this thread, but I'll come out and say it: the gender roles in Western countries are reversing. Men still earn more than women, but under 35 women earn more than men. More women go to university. Men are the ones wanting to settle down with kids, while women want to keep riding the carousel (until the wall hits) I predict that in 30-50 years time, the gender roles will be reversed entirely (with the exception of child-rearing) It will be good to be in the top 5% of guys, but the remaining 95% will experience something akin to 1950s America with gender roles reversed.

The only solution I can see? Become that 5% of guys: lift and workout so you're in the top 5% of physique. If you can't do that, become the top 5% of earners. And most importantly, if you can't do any of the above just don't give a fuck (figuratively, not literally) Just like women used to be slut-shamed, men will start to be man-whore (for want of a better word) shamed... it's already happening, but if you don't care what people think of you they can't hurt you.

[Nomad77]

Well, I didn't mean to hint at it. I wanted to shout it out but thanks for doing that. This is exactly what am I trying to say.

[Earth]

[Nomad77]

I have a 16 yr old niece and I have taken her to meet a lot of her dates. I have also seen her friends interact with guys. For example, there is a mall here, The Falls, that if you go to it on a weekend it's a hangout for teenagers. Just look at the girls and guys. In 90% of the groups and couples it is the girl that's in charge and leading. In these teenagers the role reversal is almost at 80% complete already. I meet these guys and I silently weep inside. In every instance she is the "alpha" not the guy. She calls them cute names like their are stuff animals or dogs and pretty much treat them the same way. At 16 she is already so assertive and dominant that she would be tough, for even someone like me, to handle. These boys don't stand a chance. And by the time she hits her 20s most men won't either. I have told her mother, trust me, you don't have anything to worry about with these guys today - it's your daughter who is in charge.

[Mujeriego]

Count me in the minority of men in this thread who don't mind being a pump and dump. Easy, no hassle sex is what this forum was built upon. I'm not looking to a woman to complete me or add value to my life. As Nomad77 pointed out most women are takers, so I don't expect them to contribute.

[Nomad77]

You may be a minority on this thread but you are a majority on the forum and in the real world.

[Vitriol]

(04-19-2014 08:39 PM)caracal Wrote:  

The only solution I can see? Become that 5% of guys: lift and workout so you're in the top 5% of physique. If you can't do that, become the top 5% of earners. And most importantly, if you can't do any of the above just don't give a fuck (figuratively, not literally) Just like women used to be slut-shamed, men will start to be man-whore (for want of a better word) shamed... it's already happening, but if you don't care what people think of you they can't hurt you.

The solution for guys in the U.S. and similar countries is to either: leave like Roosh did or move to a big city with lots of foreign girls and make Americunts irrelevant. We're not going to change them, so the best solution is to remove them from your life entirely if you can. I have a few bitchy co-workers on pills, but beyond that I really don't even talk to American women anymore. All the girls I've fucked in the past few months are from non-English speaking countries. They're obviously not perfect, but they're at least tolerable for a couple of hours at a time.

I've been working out for years, and I believe in self improvement, but I'm not going to go balls to the wall in the gym and start doing roids so some retarded Americunt might like me for a week or two until she hops on the next dick. We're not going to change the way they think and they like drama more than muscles.

When you're talking to an American female, just remember that her brain is probably fried from Adderall, anti-depressants, or some other combination of drugs. She's also incapable of becoming emotionally attached to you in any way because she's already taken so many dicks. Is it really worth improving yourself for one of these skanks who has a huge ego but has done nothing to earn it?

I'm comfortable with the fact that I've removed them entirely from my life beyond saying some shit like "ya" ... "oh really?" ... "whatever." etc. They're so retarded that saying something simple like that and moving on is the most rational choice to make.

[Beyond Borders]

(04-19-2014 11:46 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

lol, I can't remember the last time I have gotten some real affection from an American girl. Their concept of affection is paying for half of dinner at which you get to listen to all of the BS problems for one hour. But hey, a lot of guys, who don't get much sex are more than happy to get some - even if it's not much better than fucking a hooker. I smile when I hear guys go: I went to the gym and worked out today, I'm feeling in a good mood. I think I am going to be able to perform good tonight. That's what we have become: performers for the entertainment of women

Define affection.

As always, I'm bullish on leaving the states just because I thrive on surroundings that keep me on my toes, and constant newness does that for me. I also love me some Asian women.

But whenever I go home, I don't find the women to be unaffectionate. Slutty, yes. But they still showed affection. Cooking for me. Passionate kissing. Cuddling in bed (yeah, I'm a cuddly little bitch). Sending sappy text messages. Buying me little gifts, etc, or showing up with beer and food.

At least until I inevitably pissed them off, they seemed affectionate enough. Could this just be a facet of your gaming style?

I will admit I wasn't banging top-tier women in large American cities, so if that's where you're at, maybe that's why they're more cold.

[Nomad77]

I have no doubt my standards are high probably absurdly so. A good friend of mine once told me that my idea of a six is like an eight to him. My definition of affection is the feeling you get when someone really cares about you. You can sense it in their touch and they way they look at you. The ultimate expression of this is what a mother gives to her baby. The average American girl I meet won't ask more than two questions if that much about me. You can't care about someone you have no interest in.

Roosh, actually wrote an article recently that touches upon what I am talking about:

Men Are Nothing More Than Clowns To The Modern Woman
http://www.rooshv.com/men-are-nothing-mo...dern-woman

[conservative]

Wait a second. So you are not doing game for sex? What you want is love, affection, care... Have you considered that a women won't give you that if you are not faithful (the only one) to her? and that on return you should give the same thing. Maybe you should stop doing game and focus on a monogamous relationship.

There is around 150 million women in America. I doubt there is no women who doesn't want love, affection and care.

There are billions of women around the world. You can find your significant other and bring it back to America.

Finally, I don't think a women will give you all of these perks if you are fucking a new girl every day.

[Foolsgo1d]

(04-19-2014 04:44 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

When did it become something to aspire to enjoy choking, slapping, calling a woman a slut and a whore, and making her gag on your dick and then cumming on her face. When did this become good sex? You have to be mentally retarded and fucked up to enjoy this shit. There is nothing emotionally healthy about it. Yet, this is what men today aspire to be, the kind of man that can not only do this but actually enjoys doing it. We are actually telling men to become a sadist. No, we are telling boys to become gigolo's that enjoy sadistic sex. And when I say we I am including women in there too and if you have any doubt about this just look at the success of 50 Shades of Grey.

Ever since I started to use more dominant play in the bedroom and outside of it women have responded well to it.

If they dont get that kick from you they will find it elsewhere and maybe this is where you're going wrong?

"my favourite program is on". Sounds like this girl was going through the motions of sex rather than enjoying it as she should and you yourself.

Sexually dominant women are for the most part just shit testing you, you are stronger, faster and more straight to the point than she ever could be.

But then again I have never had sex with an American women so maybe I am just rambling.