[Comte De St. Germain]

(04-11-2014 07:13 AM)Teedub Wrote:  

(04-11-2014 07:03 AM)caracal Wrote:  

(04-09-2014 03:56 PM)hwuzhere Wrote:  

(04-09-2014 03:54 PM)Screwston Wrote:  

Isnt America one of the only countries with the 18 and up sex laws?

Not sure, but I know it's the only country to enforce their own laws outside of their own country. If you fuck anyone under 18 in a foreign country you can get charged in the States for doing so.

Australia also has this law. I think the age is 16.

Wait, so if an American has sex with a British girl who is 17, and the British AoC is 16....the guy can get done in America?

speakeasy posted the law itself, and in some states it's 17 or even 16 as well so idk that much about the specifics either.

[DaveR]

(04-11-2014 07:13 AM)Teedub Wrote:  

Wait, so if an American has sex with a British girl who is 17, and the British AoC is 16....the guy can get done in America?

The US law was posted earlier, and is pretty clear. It sets two ages of consent for Americans abroad - 18 for p4p, and 16 otherwise. If an American breaks either of those, they can be charged in America, regardless of whether it was legal according to the law of the country they were in at the time. They can also be charged in the country where they had sex if they broke the local law.

So in short, the age of consent for Americans abroad is 16 or the local age of consent - whichever is greater. For P4P, it's the greater of 18 and the local age of consent for P4P.

Edit: Wikipedia says the following: "For the purposes of this law, illicit sexual conduct includes commercial sex with anyone under 18,[6] and non-commercial sex with persons under 16 when there is at least a four-year age difference or the person is under 12 years of age."
So there is a close-in-age exception of 4 years for non-pro, but only if you're under 20 years old yourself.

State law doesn't come into it as far as I'm aware, because states don't have the jurisdiction to legislate outside their own territory. Congress, on the other hand, can legislate whatever they like when it comes to US citizens abroad. They also have laws which apply to citizens who enter into corrupt business dealings in other countries.

A few other countries have similar laws - UK, Canada, Australia that I know of.

[ManAbout]

(04-11-2014 07:13 AM)Teedub Wrote:  

Wait, so if an American has sex with a British girl who is 17, and the British AoC is 16....the guy can get done in America?

I don't think so. There was a case not too long ago of a 30 something American woman I think, from Texas who traveled to Alberta to have sex with a 16 or 17 year old guy she met online. Pretty sure they said they couldn't prosecute her in the US because AoC in Canada is 16.

[ManAbout]

(04-09-2014 05:04 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

So, it's only the bitter older women who have a problem.

I think peer pressure is a BIG factor.

I was sitting at a coffee shop the other day, working on my laptop, and two single girls in their early/mid 20s, sitting next to me were talking about their potential dates etc. One girl, I think she was 24 was talking about the "old guy" she liked. I think he was in his early 40s. They were on their phones the whole time looking at facebook pictures and commenting on the guys. She said something like, "Oh let me show you a picture of that old guy I am in love with." Her friend, was absolutely adamant that this girl should not go anywhere near this "old guy". She immediately shut her down, "Just no, don't do it. You need a guy that is 30 yrs old max." Her friend was aghast that the other girl would be considering anything with this "old guy". Oh, and to add to the story, even the friend who was absolutely against this "old guy" agreed that he was good looking when shown the picture, but that didn't change her objections.

For perspective, this is in Toronto btw.

[cardguy]

(04-13-2014 10:14 AM)ManAbout Wrote:  

(04-11-2014 07:13 AM)Teedub Wrote:  

Wait, so if an American has sex with a British girl who is 17, and the British AoC is 16....the guy can get done in America?

I don't think so. There was a case not too long ago of a 30 something American woman I think, from Texas who traveled to Alberta to have sex with a 16 or 17 year old guy she met online. Pretty sure they said they couldn't prosecute her in the US because AoC in Canada is 16.

[cardguy]

Sorry for the hijack - I can't resist the Chris Hanson gif. It always makes me laugh.

[Beyond Borders]

(04-10-2014 11:41 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

He just looks like a typical guy that goes to Thailand for p4p:

That's an interesting conclusion.

What exactly does such a guy look like?

He looks no different than thousands upon thousands of washed up white dudes you see cruising the streets in the U.S who are not going abroad for p4p.

I see a vast variety of men who all look extremely different coming to Southeast Asia to throw down money on vag. As someone whou couldn't imagine turning sex into a strictly financial transaction, it's always surprised me how so many men from so many different walks of life and different cultures are all about paying given the opportunity.

[Comte De St. Germain]

(04-13-2014 11:48 AM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  

(04-10-2014 11:41 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

He just looks like a typical guy that goes to Thailand for p4p:

That's an interesting conclusion.

What exactly does such a guy look like?

He looks no different than thousands upon thousands of washed up white dudes you see cruising the streets in the U.S who are not going abroad for p4p.

I see a vast variety of men who all look extremely different coming to Southeast Asia to throw down money on vag. As someone whou couldn't imagine turning sex into a strictly financial transaction, it's always surprised me how so many men from so many different walks of life and different cultures are all about paying given the opportunity.

Think he means the stereotype, but I agree nonetheless too many men result to P4P irrespective of their background. Some find it easier to manage than a relationship, but for others that's the only way they get sexual gratification. I personally think it is saddening that so many result to it rather than learn how to seduce women(as women crave pleasures of the flesh as well), but that is the reality we live in. I guess this makes it better for us as there is more to go around. If more guys knew game, it wouldn't be game anymore and we wouldn't have the advantage. I guess there are pros and cons to anything. C'est la vie.

[Samseau]

(04-13-2014 10:24 AM)ManAbout Wrote:  

(04-09-2014 05:04 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

So, it's only the bitter older women who have a problem.

I think peer pressure is a BIG factor.

I was sitting at a coffee shop the other day, working on my laptop, and two single girls in their early/mid 20s, sitting next to me were talking about their potential dates etc. One girl, I think she was 24 was talking about the "old guy" she liked. I think he was in his early 40s. They were on their phones the whole time looking at facebook pictures and commenting on the guys. She said something like, "Oh let me show you a picture of that old guy I am in love with." Her friend, was absolutely adamant that this girl should not go anywhere near this "old guy". She immediately shut her down, "Just no, don't do it. You need a guy that is 30 yrs old max." Her friend was aghast that the other girl would be considering anything with this "old guy". Oh, and to add to the story, even the friend who was absolutely against this "old guy" agreed that he was good looking when shown the picture, but that didn't change her objections.

For perspective, this is in Toronto btw.

This is why I always lie to girls about my age. Even if she's cool with my age, I know most of her "friends" will not be. Always go with an age closer to a woman's age for maximum success.

If she ever finds out, you can just explain how you were trying to avoid the unfair stigma placed upon older men dating younger women in America.

You can compare it how gays were unfairly stigmatized about their sexual habits.

[Days of Broken Arrows]

(04-10-2014 08:26 AM)xpatplayer Wrote:  

(04-10-2014 08:05 AM)Teedub Wrote:  

(04-09-2014 05:30 PM)tylerdurden1993 Wrote:  

I was having a discussion about this with my friends from university we were talking about Shakira age 37 and her partner Gerard Pique age 27.

I was saying i didn't understand why he didn't go for someone younger while they're response was that it doesn't matter as long as she's "fit".

They just couldn't see that an 18 year old girl is 100 times better than a 37 year old girl for many reasons and that older men younger woman couples are normal with the reverse in my opinion being abnormal.

They're jaws hit the floor when i said that "men age like wine and women age like milk".

P.S. any self respecting man who won't go after young girls (legal) because he's scared of the disapproving looks from older women or pussywhipped men doesn't deserve the testicles he was born with in my opinion.

Man, your generation is a lot more blue pill than even mine, and I'm not much older than you. I know a guy who's 20, he's a cool dude, but he was shocked when I was talking about slightly red pill stuff with him. He agreed but was shocked at the things I was saying about girls haha.

I agree wholeheartedly with that statement. I was talking about red-pill stuff (how women are very fickle) with a 21 y/o friend of mine and ever since, he's been saying that I oppose women's rights. As a matter of fact, red-pill ideas are more accepted by my foreign friends my age, kids from the South and guys who're at least 10 years older than me. With the younger generation (from E. Coast and W. Coast), its a taboo.

Shit, they'll talk about how fucking a 31 y/o cougar is natural while calling 20 y/o guys who fuck 18 y/o girls 'pervs'. Maybe its cultural conditioning, who knows?

Than again, most of the people I interact with are from the Northeast coast. I'm quite sure that this wouldn't really apply to kids from other parts of the country (sure as hell doesn't apply to kids from Texas).

As for the women? They cockblock like hell unless they like you. They think their friends are fucking toddlers and any guy, even their own age, who pursues them is a pedo. Not surprisingly, they tend to like older guys a lot more. Look at what women do, not what they say.

What you've come across is what I call the Liberal Church Ladies (who are often men). They've replaced the religious right when it comes to calling out imaginary sins.

I deal with similar people. In the worst instance, I posted a song by '80s singer Debbie Gibson on Facebook (I was making a point about something else). One of these types commented "Perv."

Gibson would have been 20 when the song was recorded, was 21 in the video, and is in her forties now. But in this guy's mind, even posting a song by a singer who once had hit songs as a teenager qualifies as "perverted."

What I think is happening is that human nature leads us to call out others for sinning. But since you can't criticize being gay or trans or whatever, this is the new direction people are pointing their fingers.

[Samseau]

"What I think is happening is that human nature leads us to call out others for sinning."

This itself is considered a sin.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+7

“Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

“Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye."

However, in the typically confusing fashion of Christ he immediately follows up with a seemingly contradictory message:

“Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces."

The question here is how do we avoid casting pearls before swine if it is a sin to judge someone as a pig? And the church's answer (Catholic and Orthodox) is judge but show mercy to sinners, since you yourself have sin, but to avoid association with sinners.

[puckerman]

(04-09-2014 12:05 AM)Suq Madiq Wrote:  

Girls actually tend to be loose about their preferences for things like age, money, status, looks/height, etc. if they like a guy enough.

Some girls aren't comfortable dating any guys who randomly approach them, let alone older men, but who cares what these ones think?

If you're not creeping out or annoying at least 5%-10% of the girls you're chasing, you're not being aggressive enough.

Even the best guys have some blowouts.

[puckerman]

(04-09-2014 06:11 AM)LeightonBlackstock Wrote:  

Referring to the UK:

When I was 21, I fucked an 18 year-old.

My friends didn't high-five me, they pretty much unanimously dubbed me 'cradle snatcher'

Same thing happened when I was 17 and 18. I had girlfriends in the year below me (it was way easier to get a hotter girlfriend if you dated one year down)

Ah well, fuck 'em. They're not getting laid. I am.

Maybe it's changed. But back in the 1980's, when I was in high school, nobody frowned on the senior-sophomore relationship. I was too stupid to do it. I went to a three-year high school, so the freshmen were at the junior high. That being said, there were even some sophomore-eighth-grader relationships.

When I was sixteen at the local swimming pool, a twelve-year-old girl started splashing me out of nowhere. It was her way to flirting. Looking back, I wish I'd done something about it, even though it was a four-year age difference. I didn't because she was "too young."

[puckerman]

(04-09-2014 03:56 PM)hwuzhere Wrote:  

Not sure, but I know it's the only country to enforce their own laws outside of their own country. If you fuck anyone under 18 in a foreign country you can get charged in the States for doing so.

Actually this is totally consistent with how screwed up America is. It's also one of the few countries that wants to tax its citizens on income earned outside the USA.

[puckerman]

Here is a hilarious and fun movie to watch, guys. It also shows how things have changed. It was made in 1983, and I don't remember there being any "controversy" about it. The premise is that two middle-aged men travel to Rio with their teenage daughters. One of the men fucks the other's daughter on the beach, even though she's 15. They just say, "Blame it on Rio."

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086973/?ref_=nv_sr_1

I seriously doubt this movie would be made today. It's even possible that the fucked teenage girl was 17 when she was doing sex scenes with Michael Caine.

Let's keep in mind that adolescence is an artificial construction. In all primitive societies, a person is an adult when they are able to reproduce. It was this way in the early days of America.

Who wanted to extend childhood? Labor unions did it to keep "cheap labor" out of the job market. School administrators and other busybodies did it to give themselves work to do.

Of course, it's mostly middle-aged women and other women who are bitching about men going after younger women. Part of the problem is that a lot of them are on the market nowadays. There was a time when almost women over 30 were in committed marriages. It's not that way anymore.

And maybe it's a lost cause, but I'm still out for love. A girl who is in her early 20's is still young enough to believe in fairy tales. She doesn't have all the cynicism and attitude that a never-married or divorced woman over 30 has.

It's too bad high school girls are jailbait. High school girls still like boys. It's in college where girls have their heads filled with all the feminist bullshit. A girl who has never been to college beats almost any woman who has spent even a day there. Here's one good girl with no college, Amber Heard:

[Dusty]

I remember when I was in my late 30's, I worked with a bunch of broads. They were all pretty cool, ages 32-26 or so, all married, all of them in the 6-7 range. I was friends with them all, and actually got quite a bit of attention from them, being the only guy int he group.

But they knew I liked girls in the their early 20's. They'd bust my balls all the time for liking young girls.

If they saw me check out a 23 year olds ass, they'd go "ugh" and roll their eyes and all that. They'd tell me to find a girl my own age. They'd make it sound like a 23 year old woman was 12 or something.

I never got upset with them. I knew that underlying all their angst was the realization that their sexual power was fading, and guys like me prefer the young pussy. They had their day in the sun, now it was someone else's turn. It was envy and jealousy.

[Switch]

I'm in high school. I have a friend who is 16 and this girl who is 15 who wants his dick. He won't go after it because it'd be "creepy". I made sure to let him know he's officially a faggot.

[Days of Broken Arrows]

(04-13-2014 04:47 PM)puckerman Wrote:  

Here is a hilarious and fun movie to watch, guys. It also shows how things have changed. It was made in 1983, and I don't remember there being any "controversy" about it. The premise is that two middle-aged men travel to Rio with their teenage daughters. One of the men fucks the other's daughter on the beach, even though she's 15. They just say, "Blame it on Rio."

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086973/?ref_=nv_sr_1

I seriously doubt this movie would be made today. It's even possible that the fucked teenage girl was 17 when she was doing sex scenes with Michael Caine.

Let's keep in mind that adolescence is an artificial construction. In all primitive societies, a person is an adult when they are able to reproduce. It was this way in the early days of America.

Who wanted to extend childhood? Labor unions did it to keep "cheap labor" out of the job market. School administrators and other busybodies did it to give themselves work to do.

Of course, it's mostly middle-aged women and other women who are bitching about men going after younger women. Part of the problem is that a lot of them are on the market nowadays. There was a time when almost women over 30 were in committed marriages. It's not that way anymore.

And maybe it's a lost cause, but I'm still out for love. A girl who is in her early 20's is still young enough to believe in fairy tales. She doesn't have all the cynicism and attitude that a never-married or divorced woman over 30 has.

It's too bad high school girls are jailbait. High school girls still like boys. It's in college where girls have their heads filled with all the feminist bullshit. A girl who has never been to college beats almost any woman who has spent even a day there. Here's one good girl with no college, Amber Heard:

Good call on "Blame it on Rio." It could never be made today and neither could several other movies of that era, like "Manhattan" and "Hardbodies."

But...they could all be made if you reversed the sexes and made the women older and men younger. That says something about our new neo-Victorian-when-it-comes-to-men age.

[Hotwheels]

I watched Hardbodies probably 100 times back in the 80's.

That style of fuckfest movie needs to make a comeback.

[speakeasy]

(04-13-2014 12:36 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

I deal with similar people. In the worst instance, I posted a song by '80s singer Debbie Gibson on Facebook (I was making a point about something else). One of these types commented "Perv."

Gibson would have been 20 when the song was recorded, was 21 in the video, and is in her forties now. But in this guy's mind, even posting a song by a singer who once had hit songs as a teenager qualifies as "perverted."

Haven't heard the name Debbie Gibson in ages. Brings back elementary school memories. So, wall survivor or not? Btw, forehead lines on a woman are ghastly no matter how minor.



Young Debbie:

[Dusty]

(04-13-2014 08:34 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

Haven't heard the name Debbie Gibson in ages. Brings back elementary school memories. So, wall survivor or not? Btw, forehead lines on a woman are ghastly no matter how minor.

[The Lizard of Oz]

(04-13-2014 08:34 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

Btw, forehead lines on a woman are ghastly no matter how minor.

I have a word for these:

runnels.

Sample usage:

"She's only 19, but her forehead is already runneled; it's as if smoke and ink have run harsh grooves through her once soft skin."

[puckerman]

I forgot to point that I would get some flack from women on Facebook for exchanges like this:

WOMAN: I would so do Justin Beiber.
ME: I'll keep Selena Gomez occupied while you work on him.
WOMAN: She's a child!

This is in spite of the fact that Selena Gomez is TWO YEARS OLDER than Justin Beiber.

I would still do Debbie Gibson, too. She's only about nine months older than I am. I was in high school when she was big. The pictures would be good if she didn't have so much freaking make up on. I've never changed how I feel about my youthful crushes.

Unlike every other teen queen who had come before her, Debbie Gibson WROTE her songs. She produced her songs and played the piano. I thought she'd be around forever, but she got into other things. What was appealing about Debbie was that she always seemed to be having a great time, just having fun. And she always sexy and never slutty--there's a big difference.

My goodness, these videos are just SOOOOO 1980's!

[Earth]

(04-08-2014 03:32 PM)Hotwheels Wrote:  

(04-08-2014 03:07 PM)All or Nothing Wrote:  

I call this the "sour grapes" phenomenon.

The only people complaining about older men dating younger women are old hags and the losers who try to cozy up to them.

Attractive young women still want to have sex with older more experienced men and there is nothing some 40 year old cat lady can do about it.

bingo

This is my experience when with girls 20 years my junior.

[Teedub]

(04-13-2014 06:16 PM)Switch Wrote:  

I'm in high school. I have a friend who is 16 and this girl who is 15 who wants his dick. He won't go after it because it'd be "creepy". I made sure to let him know he's officially a faggot.

God help your generation of men.

1 year is creepy now, fuck me.