[Carlos100]

I have lived in Japan off-and-on for about 12 years. Before I got married (to a Japanese) I was running a harem of four regulars and three semi-regulars. I still game a little when I'm out on my own or with guy friends just to stay sharp and to have the confidence that comes with having spinning plates. I think Skotch and others in this thread have given some great advice, to which I would add the following:

1. Style- Don't worry about trying to match the Japanese on style or fashion. I suggest going with Western classic style instead. I'm talking tweed pants and blazers, waistcoats, driving caps, sweater vests over OCBDs, full-length peacoats in the winter, etc. Of the Japanese, only senior citizens usually dress this way. So, as a foreigner if you dress this way, and dress well, you will really stand out. The women will think you're cool because you look like western characters they see in the movies. Also, dressing this way is much cheaper than trying to match what you see the Japanese wearing in trendy nightspots in Tokyo. Don't go overboard, of course, and try to look too much like Sean Connery. But, find a classic style that fits your physique and face and go with it. I dress this way and get a lot of looks and compliments from random women around Tokyo.

2. Business relationships- Business relationships are really important in Japan, as in most Confucian societies. Most of the time, if you see an attractive female at her work while you are conducting your business, whatever it is, she won't be receptive to you approaching her trying to get a date, because she considers it inappropriate for a work situation. However, if you establish a business relationship with her employer, that will change. This applies to any type of business, be it your local dry cleaner, your neighborhood bar, your landlord's business office, a corporate customer of your company, or the local post office where you drop your mail. Be very professional, polite, and correct the first few times you conduct business with the women working in these offices. Once you start to see a change in their demeanor towards you, such as giving you familiar expressions with their face and eyes, then go ahead and make a bold but polite request to exchange personal information.

You can also use business relationships to benefit you in other ways. For example, my former landlord used to hook me up with baseball tickets the he got through his company. When I was having trouble opening a bank account, he jumped in and got it squared away. If you're going through a dry spell, your business associates/contacts will even try to hook you up with single women, although you should be careful about using this avenue for obvious reasons.

3. Venues- I suggest taking dates to cheap Izakaya. Not only does this save you money, but it actually makes it easier for you to establish intimacy and kino with them. In a regular restaurant it is likely that you will be sitting across the table from them. In an Izakaya, you can sit at the counter or a small table in which you will be right next to them. Izakaya have cheap, fruity alcoholic drinks that girls like to drink like water. You can get out of there with spending as little as $30-$40 for the both of you.

4. Love hotels- As Skotch mentioned, it can be difficult to get a woman to go to a love hotel with you because there is no plausible denial. I've tried to find strategies to get around this and I've found one that works moderately well. As the evening progresses and kino is escalating and she is warming up from it and the alcohol, I casually mention love hotels in passing during the conversation. My comments about them are warmly humorous and positive, nothing negative or pejorative at all. That way, it's in her mind that a love hotel for your situation is no big deal. At the end of the evening when it's time for end game, it should be a little easier to lead her into the hotel. Logistics is important here. You should arrange the evening so the last restaurant or bar that you are in is as close as possible to the love hotel that you're planning on taking her to. Then, of course, as you're walking to the hotel keep talking, joking, and laughing the entire time so her logical mind doesn't kick in.

5. Leadership- As Skotch mentioned, you need to be as alpha, masculine, and in charge as you can be. If your Japanese is not proficient, you may have to depend on the girl for certain things, such as ordering your food. You still need to try to keep as much control as you can. For example, if you're unfamiliar with the area, ask her for a list of restaurants, but then you make the decision as to which one you two will go to. If you're in a cocktail bar and she's wavering on which drink she wants, ask her which ones she is considering and then choose one for her. Most Japanese women love to be in a feminine, submissive role and turns them on to be with a masculine man. They want to be seen with a cool, collected, strong-framed man (but not an asshole, of course). You may be tempted to let the woman take charge because of her language and cultural knowledge. Resist this temptation as much as possible.

If I think of any more advice that no one has mentioned, I will post it here.

[Bushido]

(03-06-2014 07:17 PM)Carlos100 Wrote:  

4. Love hotels- As Skotch mentioned, it can be difficult to get a woman to go to a love hotel with you because there is no plausible denial.

Saving face is everything in Japan. Best way* to do this for hotels is to say you want to watch a movie and choose one in Tsutaya together.

Walk to the hotel and ask out loud "I wonder if they have a DVD player here?"

Before she has a chance to answer or get awkward, take her into the lobby by the hand and ask the staff if the rooms all have DVD players. You will get a "Yes of course" (perhaps with a roll of the eyes) and you quickly choose a room. Plausible. Denial. Achieved.

*You had better be sure she likes you though or you will be wasting a lot of money.

[Carlos100]

(03-06-2014 07:53 PM)dreambig Wrote:  

(03-06-2014 07:17 PM)Carlos100 Wrote:  

4. Love hotels- As Skotch mentioned, it can be difficult to get a woman to go to a love hotel with you because there is no plausible denial.

Saving face is everything in Japan. Best way* to do this for hotels is to say you want to watch a movie and choose one in Tsutaya together.

Walk to the hotel and ask out loud "I wonder if they have a DVD player here?"

Before she has a chance to answer or get awkward, take her into the lobby by the hand and ask the staff if the rooms all have DVD players. You will get a "Yes of course" (perhaps with a roll of the eyes) and you quickly choose a room. Plausible. Denial. Achieved.

*You had better be sure she likes you though or you will be wasting a lot of money.

That's a good one. One other way is to meet the girl at a major station that is far enough away from both your and her homes that a taxi ride is prohibitively expensive. Stay out drinking until the trains stop running, then tell her that you are getting tired and you need a place to rest. Then take her to the love hotel. I tried this twice and it worked once. The other time the girl said she was on her period so we walked around the whole night making out. As I look back on it now, I realize that what she said was likely simple LMR and I should have firmly led her into the hotel anyway.

[Bushido]

^^ I get the logic but I don't like this strategy because it risks me having to stay out all night for nothing.

Why would you meet somewhere far from your place anyway? Girls should be busting their ass to come to near you, not the other way around. We are men so we are busy with our work. Hotels are an expensive last resort.

Dates should be scheduled at your station for a quick walk back to your apartment. Choose a couple of western-style bars where you can be seated next to the girl for easy kino. Don't order much food. A few drinks later you bounce to your place.

If a girl won't meet you at your station her interest level is low. This strategy is a useful screening tool and gives great logistics - has been saving me time and money for years now.

[Carlos100]

(03-06-2014 09:06 PM)dreambig Wrote:  

^^ I get the logic but I don't like this strategy because it risks me having to stay out all night for nothing.

Why would you meet somewhere far from your place anyway? Girls should be busting their ass to come to near you, not the other way around. We are men so we are busy with our work. Hotels are an expensive last resort.

Dates should be scheduled at your station for a quick walk back to your apartment. Choose a couple of western-style bars where you can be seated next to the girl for easy kino. Don't order much food. A few drinks later you bounce to your place.

If a girl won't meet you at your station her interest level is low. This strategy is a useful screening tool and gives great logistics - has been saving me time and money for years now.

I had to do it this way for awhile because I lived in a far Tokyo suburb and I had a steady girlfriend who lived near me, unfortunately. I broke up with her soon after and then I invited the girls to come to my location.

[Sargon of Akkad]

(03-06-2014 09:06 PM)dreambig Wrote:  

Dates should be scheduled at your station for a quick walk back to your apartment. Choose a couple of western-style bars where you can be seated next to the girl for easy kino. Don't order much food. A few drinks later you bounce to your place.

If a girl won't meet you at your station her interest level is low. This strategy is a useful screening tool and gives great logistics - has been saving me time and money for years now.

This is exactly how my last few bangs turned out, and it's a major reason I was able to break last year's dry spell. Take her out to a small restaurant nearby and invite her over to your place for a glass of wine, DVD, whatever. If she doesn't comply at least you saved yourself a trip and money.

[Carlos100]

I assume that most of the general information posted so far in this thread pertains to gaming 6s and 7s, and maybe a few 8s. From what I have observed, meeting and gaming most 8s, 9s, and 10s in Japan requires some insider knowledge and specialized game, because these women are aware of their high SMV and look for status in the men that approach them. Specialized categories that I can think of include:

* Model game
* Celebrity game
* AV artist game
* Flight attendant game (I know this one isn't like it used to be with the budget cuts at Japanese airlines)
* Professional dancer game (not strippers)
* Professional theater actress game

Someone alluded to a friend who goes after quality women in high-end hotel lounges. That's the kind of thing I'm talking about. One can do like I did and use general game and get enough 6s and 7s to keep busy indefinitely. However, to get the top quality in Japan, I understand specialization and careful development of, or perception of, increased status and some insider access may be necessary. Have you all experienced the same thing?

[Bushido]

Interesting question. I don't think anyone who is being honest has a surefire way of getting Japanese 9s and 10s.

It's been discussed in other threads, but many of us experience a "glass ceiling" in the quality we get in Japan. We are at a small but definite disadvantage compared to (high value) Japanese guys. There's no need to cry about it, but it's there. To get the high quality girls, you need to beat the Japanese guys at their own game.

(03-07-2014 01:40 AM)Carlos100 Wrote:  

* Model game
* Celebrity game
* AV artist game
* Flight attendant game (I know this one isn't like it used to be with the budget cuts at Japanese airlines)
* Professional dancer game (not strippers)
* Professional theater actress game

Working in these industries would help. I know model agents who are just normal Japanese guys but get laid with their models. It's all about access. If you fly business class a lot then you have more access to flight attendants. If you work in AV then you have more access to pornstars. There is a reason why so many celebrities end up dating their stylists - access.

That said, I've dated some of the above types without any access and got them with normal game. I'm not sure I've ever thought of gaming different occupations differently because they are attracted to the same thing: value.

To get high value you need to be high value. I.e. looks, social skills, money, language skills, style, status. Improving any of these will get you better quality.

For example, hitting the weights will quickly get you bigger than the average Japanese guy. Having a career in Japan will neutralize the Japanese salaryman's status advantage over you. Hanging out with cool Japanese guys will make you cooler in the eyes of Japanese girls. Making bank will get rid of the "poor English teacher" stereotype. And so on.

(03-07-2014 01:40 AM)Carlos100 Wrote:  

Someone alluded to a friend who goes after quality women in high-end hotel lounges.

This is a good idea. You're unlikely to meet a supermodel in the Hub ( although stranger things have happened!) but that's where most foreigners end up hanging out. I need to remember this too

[Skotch]

Got a flurry of activity, so I just wanted to touch on a few things and say that I'm smashing right now. I'm on pace for well over 50 notches this year. It's still early, though, so we'll see if I can keep it up once I start my new job....

(03-07-2014 01:40 AM)Carlos100 Wrote:  

I assume that most of the general information posted so far in this thread pertains to gaming 6s and 7s, and maybe a few 8s. From what I have observed, meeting and gaming most 8s, 9s, and 10s in Japan requires some insider knowledge and specialized game, because these women are aware of their high SMV and look for status in the men that approach them. Specialized categories that I can think of include:

* Model game
* Celebrity game
* AV artist game
* Flight attendant game (I know this one isn't like it used to be with the budget cuts at Japanese airlines)
* Professional dancer game (not strippers)
* Professional theater actress game

Someone alluded to a friend who goes after quality women in high-end hotel lounges. That's the kind of thing I'm talking about. One can do like I did and use general game and get enough 6s and 7s to keep busy indefinitely. However, to get the top quality in Japan, I understand specialization and careful development of, or perception of, increased status and some insider access may be necessary. Have you all experienced the same thing?

Yeah... I agree partially. For the most part the high level talent requires a little something else. That can be said anywhere, but I'd feel way more confident trying to talk my way into an American 9's pants than a Japanese 8's.

I think the problem is the weird nature of the country. Sex is no big deal, women are supposed to be thin and look nice, and they must know their place. However despite this seeming red-pilledness, the men are mostly really feminine and beta by our standards. The most successful Japanese player I know runs what can only be described as begging-for-pussy game. I do not think Japan can be described using the current linguistic framework of the manosphere (I'm considering going after my PhD with a sociological study of Japanese sexual market dynamics...lolzjkguyz).

My goal was to up my quality this year, so that's what this thread is for. I get an occasional 9 and an OK amount of 8s, but my bread and butter is the lowly 7. I feel like I'm on the verge of cracking the code for consistent high level play, but as I start to attack more top-level talent, I'm running into girls involved in fuuzoku a lot more. A lot, lot more. I've been working on a social experiment and it's going really well so far. Once I get a bit more data under my belt I'll put up a big post.

Actually, I think model game might be the safest bet out of all those you mentioned. I've met a handful and they tend to be more down to earth than the typical 8+ J-girls. I think as long as they're an actual model with a reputable agency, they're kept relatively well protected from the fuuzoku scouting nonsense that other high quality girls are exposed to.

For the super hotties you see running around Shinsaibashi or Kyobashi (saw a girl with maybe the most amazing legs in world history the other night, but she turned out to be a pro), I think you have to cultivate a position in the club scene, the fashion industry, or do lounge game like my buddy. You also have to be cool with the girls you go after possibly being professionals of some kind. I've gamed Japanese fuuzoku girls into bed for free before, but I didn't like the idea of it, nor did I include them in my notches.



That actually brings me back to the other discussion. I just wanted to touch on something that I wasn't quite able to articulate before. Let's try it again...

(02-25-2014 11:36 PM)dreambig Wrote:  

Money beats game if you have enough of it. If you are lacking in money then get richer.

I get your point and I'm not saying you are hating, but women will always be attracted to money. Prostitution is just the most blatant form of this.

There's a big difference between getting pussy because you're ballin' and show a bitch a good time, and getting pussy by going to Kyobashi after work and blowing all your rent money. You hear that "all women are prostitutes for the right price" thing in the manosphere a lot, but I would argue that the price and circumstances cannot be overlooked. Let's go back to my terrible skiing analogy. P4P is like a ski resort that took over a beautiful mountain. Being rich is like hiring a helicopter to ski a remote bowl. The resort is better for the masses, but the the rich dude jumping out of a chopper is far more badass than the idiots on the gondola can ever hope to be.

[memcpy]

The Japanese guy I used to hang out with actively targets fuuzoku because they have money and will pay you.All he would do is start off small making her buy smokes , then ask her to pay for karaoke and keeping working your way up.

[Skotch]

(03-07-2014 03:44 PM)memcpy Wrote:  

The Japanese guy I used to hang out with actively targets fuuzoku because they have money and will pay you.All he would do is start off small making her buy smokes , then ask her to pay for karaoke and keeping working your way up.

Yeah, one of the fuuzoku girls I was with was pretty loaded. She cut off contact after our one night stand, but she shelled out about ¥7000 on me that night. Not a shitload of money by any means, but she seemed perfectly OK spending money on a dude.

I'm sure some of you are aware of this, but for everyone else, a dude that lives off of his girl(s) is called a himo. It's sort of the next level of Nanpa. Some guys target deep-pocketed fuuzoku girls, others go after regular chicks and leech off of them, and the real pros get women to fall in love with them and borrow huge amounts of money before disappearing.

Here's a guide on becoming a himo I found from a quick google search. I thought it would be kind of cool to put some actual Japanese game guides in this thread, so this can be the first. It's really quite vague for a "guide," but I think it's an interesting slice of the Nanpa community.

Quote:

Women who make good targets for himo men have two special characteristics.

1. They are psychologically unstable.
2. They feel lonely often.

This type of woman is the easiest catch for a himo man.

One of the basic conditions of a good himo is the ability to Nanpa. Approach women on the street one after another and make the women who bite hardest your target. The first step is making basic contact with her and gradually deepening the relationship.

Nanpa isn't the only way, however. Any woman who is new to your life will do. You just need to get to know a new woman even if it is via Internet dating sites, coupling parties (note: that's the first one I've heard of that type of event), or an introduction from a friend.

The way to then become a himo and be supported financially by the woman is to skillfully borrow and lend as you push the relationship forward.

Start with small amounts of change and then gradually pull it up on her end. In each case you must have some reason for borrowing the cash, so be prepared and persuade her.

A man who can become a himo must be used to capably dealing with females and must be skilled in conversation.

I suppose this is true for anything, but without hard work, things won't go your way.

Every himo has humiliating failures and experiences of being outright ignored by countless women.

I rode that phase out and arrived at a reliable method to becoming a full-fledged himo.

That was it... Lol. There were several others with almost the exact same content so clearly this has been circulating for a while. Simple, but I like it.

[Fortitudinal]

RE: NO SEX for married couples... wtf?

I got to chat with an educated dame, PhD type. I had to ask her, whats the deal with years without sex between married couples?

What she said was a little chilling and disheartening. She said that basically married couples become a team of sorts. And this, being Japan, means that in a way there is a particular camaraderie that forms, a 'spirit de corps'. Not quite like what we would think of a married couple in the west, which are expected to bone to keep each other happy (in theory, of course).

So what happens is that the married couple becomes 'as brother and sister'. Whaaat . . .

So not only the boner is lost, its acceptable. And, in order to 'keep face' things dont change. The wife will overlook the husband indecencies, and he will do the same. However, we all know that women can go for years without sex, and in Japan female sexuality is also demonized and feared. So girls are brought up with notions of property that become very deeply ingrained. No slut carrousel for the married women. Though it does happen.

Result? women dont really get laid, guys go to hookers, everyone wins (?)

Sad way to live if you ask me. Again, this doesnt happen to every married or engaged couple, but it is so common that I'd dare to say its the status quo.

[Fortitudinal]

(03-08-2014 11:11 PM)Skotch Wrote:  

(03-07-2014 03:44 PM)memcpy Wrote:  

The Japanese guy I used to hang out with actively targets fuuzoku because they have money and will pay you.All he would do is start off small making her buy smokes , then ask her to pay for karaoke and keeping working your way up.

Yeah, one of the fuuzoku girls I was with was pretty loaded. She cut off contact after our one night stand, but she shelled out about ¥7000 on me that night. Not a shitload of money by any means, but she seemed perfectly OK spending money on a dude.

I'm sure some of you are aware of this, but for everyone else, a dude that lives off of his girl(s) is called a himo. It's sort of the next level of Nanpa. Some guys target deep-pocketed fuuzoku girls, others go after regular chicks and leech off of them, and the real pros get women to fall in love with them and borrow huge amounts of money before disappearing.

Here's a guide on becoming a himo I found from a quick google search. I thought it would be kind of cool to put some actual Japanese game guides in this thread, so this can be the first. It's really quite vague for a "guide," but I think it's an interesting slice of the Nanpa community.

Quote:

Women who make good targets for himo men have two special characteristics.

1. They are psychologically unstable.
2. They feel lonely often.

This type of woman is the easiest catch for a himo man.

One of the basic conditions of a good himo is the ability to Nanpa. Approach women on the street one after another and make the women who bite hardest your target. The first step is making basic contact with her and gradually deepening the relationship.

That was it... Lol. There were several others with almost the exact same content so clearly this has been circulating for a while. Simple, but I like it.

I could probably do this as things stand with the ex. She has offered a lot of things... strange.

I have my own money, but I know that it would be entirely possible to do this. Not my style though.

[memcpy]

Skotch, the guy is a legit Himo. His girlfriend pays for his car, bills, and everything. She is unstable, but he knows how to make her fall in line. That was just one girl. The other girls paid for his vacatios to thailand and south America.

If you want to be a himo, target rich looking fuuzoku girls. Look for extremely hot girls, who have the latest Luis Vuitton bags and stuff. They are everywhere, if you have a good eye. Look for "charai girls" slutty girls wearing animal print, and shop at Don Quixote. Chances are these are fuuzoku on their day off, and they are dressed down. Sometimes they will be wearing sunglass inside of stores, or masks, or a combination of both. More likely than not, you will end up talking to a cabaret club worker, who also dresses simliar to fuuzoku. Some fuuzoku will hide what they do and will instead tell you that they are "kyaba kura" host club workers. Again, having a good Japanese ability will help you find out her real profession. If you want to really find these girls, just wait inside the hotel lobby of love hotels and intercept these girls before they get to their driver. At the time he was trying to recruit new girls for his boss, so I went with him to see what his job was like one day. That was an interesting day.

Sometimes he does resorts to violence and then he comforts her (this happens much later in the relationship). Just pushes all her buttons, etc. Not really something I want to do. But then again Fuuzoku girls can also be unpredictable, some girls pulled knives on him, etc. They cant tell their friends or family what they do, so they are lonely and always avoiding those type of questions. He knows all this stuff because he was a driver for delivery health. Basically he gets paid to drive, prositutes around to the different love hotels and he gets a small cut of what the girl makes, the rest goes to the boss.

Sometimes when i'm out with him, he will just straight up ask the girl for money when doing Nanpa. Like within the first 5mins of meeting her on the street. One girl thought he was homeless haha. But she wound up paying for his trip to Thailand.

One thing I noticed is that at some point in the interaction, he does ask for money in some way or form. Whether indirectly or directly, he asks. Of course he gets rejected a lot but he is an approach machine. He starts off small (cigarettes ) then works his way up (trips). If girls dont pay for something small (cigarettes) he moves on to the next girl. He has other criteria, but that is the jist of it.

I also had girls pay for my dinner, karaokee, and other things. But I feel bad taking advantage of it. Its also not my style. So I just split 50/50 or I pay, unless she is insistent which some girls are.

I think this is one of the reasons why I like Japanese girls is because they dont mind paying for you, not all are like this, but quite a few are out there. ( drinks, karaokee, dinner, beer, cigarettes ). I think that is one of the good points about j-girls.

[Carlos100]

(03-23-2014 06:18 AM)Fortitudinal Wrote:  

RE: NO SEX for married couples... wtf?

I got to chat with an educated dame, PhD type. I had to ask her, whats the deal with years without sex between married couples?

What she said was a little chilling and disheartening. She said that basically married couples become a team of sorts. And this, being Japan, means that in a way there is a particular camaraderie that forms, a 'spirit de corps'. Not quite like what we would think of a married couple in the west, which are expected to bone to keep each other happy (in theory, of course).

So what happens is that the married couple becomes 'as brother and sister'. Whaaat . . .

So not only the boner is lost, its acceptable. And, in order to 'keep face' things dont change. The wife will overlook the husband indecencies, and he will do the same. However, we all know that women can go for years without sex, and in Japan female sexuality is also demonized and feared. So girls are brought up with notions of property that become very deeply ingrained. No slut carrousel for the married women. Though it does happen.

Result? women dont really get laid, guys go to hookers, everyone wins (?)

Sad way to live if you ask me. Again, this doesnt happen to every married or engaged couple, but it is so common that I'd dare to say its the status quo.

Some time ago there was a woman in her 30s in my local watering hole that I hadn't seen before. I chatted her up and found out she was married. She told me that she and her husband only bang about three times a year.

I talked her into going to a love hotel with me (she had to wait for the first train and I offered to take her to a hotel and wait with her until the trains started running.) The bartender, who is a good friend of mine, then interceded and told me that we couldn't leave together. She (the bartender) told me that the she and girl's husband had been friends since they were kids, she had introduced them to each other, and thus couldn't let her do what she was about to do with me. One of the more interesting cockblocks I've ever experienced.

Anyway, at least four woman friends of friends of mine have said that they are willingly in sexless marriages. Two of these women are even married to Americans! I think there are several contributing factors to why it happens in Japan. A lot of these women are available for affairs, based on my experience.

[Carlos100]

I know you old Japan hands are already aware of this but this past weekend brought it back to mind for me. When bleary-eyed J-girls stagger out of a dance club at 5 or 6 in the morning they have one thing on their minds. That one thing is long, slender, cylindrical, flaccid, and tasty. Unfortunately, it's not schlong, but a ramen noodle.

I came out of a basement club around 6:30 this past Sunday morning and a group of three young women were gathering their wits outside. Two 7s and an 8. I asked them if they wanted to go eat ramen and they responded enthusiastically and positively. I grabbed the 8 by the hand and started walking. I actually had no intention of going to eat ramen. I hate eating large bowls of carbohydrates at 6 in the morning. Plus, my wife was calling my cell every 15 minutes trying to get me to come home. I just wanted to see if they would follow me. They walked with me almost 15 minutes before they realized I wasn't heading towards the shop area and bailed. I continued on home to sleep it off.

Here's the thing, if you stand outside a club as it's closing and proposition the departing women to go eat ramen with you, many will accept. Japanese women are often uncomfortable going to a ramen shop by themselves or only with other women for cultural reasons, so they will welcome the opportunity for a man to go with them. Make sure as you are walking to the ramen shop that you apologize to them and explain that you don't have enough money to buy for everyone, only yourself. They will say it's ok. Otherwise, they may expect you to pay. Try to hurry them through their slurpfest. Keep joking around and entertaining them, of course. Buy a big bottle of beer in the place and share it around.

After they're finished, invite the girl you like most back to your place. If she doesn't want to leave her friends, then invite the whole group. You want to get them back as quickly as possible, so a taxi is a better option even though the trains have started running again. Of course, you will have drinks at your house to give them when they arrive. However, since they've been awake over 24 hours and are coming down from their buzz, they will likely start dropping like flies. So, throw some pillows and blankets at them and firmly take the girl you like to your room. One problem is that they may end up wanting to hang out at your place the rest of the day and getting on your nerves. I think you know how to handle that.

[Bushido]

If you don't like eating ramen in the morning, why take a girl to ramen? Also, maybe it's just me but I prefer to screen for DTF girls. If a girl needs to stay with her friends then she usually isn't DTF. Get the number and try a different girl.

In a club setting I usually say a variation of the following:

"Do you like wine?"
"Yes"
"Which do you prefer? Red or white?"
"Red!"
"Wow. It's funny you should say that, but I have a new bottle of red at my place. Wanna come open it together?"
"Yes. Is your place far?"

I've banged a ton of J-girls with the above sequence. Cover all your bases by having lots of different types of booze at your house and voila!

[Skotch]

<b>@Carlos100.</b> I actually hate ramen and udon and all that garbage (modern Japanese food is a fucking joke), but that's kind of a cool idea. Might be a good way to go for threesomes.



Had a really weird one last night. It was a kyabakura girl I've been seeing. She was kind of clingy from the start, but she's an 8, gives good head, and comes over after her shifts all tipsy, so I tried not to worry about it. Then last night she starts asking a bunch of inconvenient questions right in the middle of sex. "I saw you talking to a girl on Shijo street the other night. Were you doing Nanpa? How many Japanese girls have you slept with? Why won't you answer me? Do you Nanpa a lot?" I told her it wasn't the time, but she persisted, so I pulled out, tore off the condom and drowned her in white-hot justice. I rolled over and tried to sleep but she started slapping me and kicking me. She wiped herself off and threw a softball-sized wad of jizzy tissue on the floor. She pouted. She climbed on top of me and said she wanted to kiss. It was weird as fuck.

I guess what I want to ask is, how would you handle his behavior? I just iced her out. After a bit she realized she was in the doghouse and straightened up, but I feel like I didn't handle that so great. This is probably a good one for the Player's Lounge, but I figured I have a perfectly good thread about Japanese hoez here, I might as well. Any tips?

[Comte De St. Germain]

(04-05-2014 08:21 PM)Skotch Wrote:  

<b>@Carlos100.</b> I actually hate ramen and udon and all that garbage (modern Japanese food is a fucking joke), but that's kind of a cool idea. Might be a good way to go for threesomes.



Had a really weird one last night. It was a kyabakura girl I've been seeing. She was kind of clingy from the start, but she's an 8, gives good head, and comes over after her shifts all tipsy, so I tried not to worry about it. Then last night she starts asking a bunch of inconvenient questions right in the middle of sex. "I saw you talking to a girl on Shijo street the other night. Were you doing Nanpa? How many Japanese girls have you slept with? Why won't you answer me? Do you Nanpa a lot?" I told her it wasn't the time, but she persisted, so I pulled out, tore off the condom and drowned her in white-hot justice. I rolled over and tried to sleep but she started slapping me and kicking me. She wiped herself off and threw a softball-sized wad of jizzy tissue on the floor. She pouted. She climbed on top of me and said she wanted to kiss. It was weird as fuck.

I guess what I want to ask is, how would you handle his behavior? I just iced her out. After a bit she realized she was in the doghouse and straightened up, but I feel like I didn't handle that so great. This is probably a good one for the Player's Lounge, but I figured I have a perfectly good thread about Japanese hoez here, I might as well. Any tips?

Personally I think you did great. I would have done the same to any chick here in the States(I don't know enough about Japanese women). As long as you were ice cold and did not act like she ruined your night. I would bring her over again to cook food or something but deny her sex. Pull a trick from the female play book and get her heavily into it but do not fuck her. Get her horny as hell but don't go further than that. Either she will jump on you and want to have sex(your choice to give it to her from here) or she'll sit there horny and deprived after which she will spend anywhere from a week to a month trying to make it up to you for her fuck up. This will not only heavily make her invested in you but will give you further domination in the relationship(and satisfaction as well)

[Carlos100]

(04-05-2014 08:21 PM)Skotch Wrote:  

Had a really weird one last night. It was a kyabakura girl I've been seeing. She was kind of clingy from the start, but she's an 8, gives good head, and comes over after her shifts all tipsy, so I tried not to worry about it. Then last night she starts asking a bunch of inconvenient questions right in the middle of sex. "I saw you talking to a girl on Shijo street the other night. Were you doing Nanpa? How many Japanese girls have you slept with? Why won't you answer me? Do you Nanpa a lot?" I told her it wasn't the time, but she persisted, so I pulled out, tore off the condom and drowned her in white-hot justice. I rolled over and tried to sleep but she started slapping me and kicking me. She wiped herself off and threw a softball-sized wad of jizzy tissue on the floor. She pouted. She climbed on top of me and said she wanted to kiss. It was weird as fuck.

I guess what I want to ask is, how would you handle his behavior? I just iced her out. After a bit she realized she was in the doghouse and straightened up, but I feel like I didn't handle that so great. This is probably a good one for the Player's Lounge, but I figured I have a perfectly good thread about Japanese hoez here, I might as well. Any tips?

Looks like she's starting to fall in love and is feeling insecure about your commitment to the relationship. I have had something like that happen to me a couple of times. On one occasion at my place, I just stopped what I was doing, pulled my shorts on, rolled over with my back to her, and tried to sleep. She kept pestering me of course, but I kept turning my back to her and refusing to engage in her drama and eventually she shut up and we finished the act and went to sleep.

Another time I was at the girl's apartment (a different girl). When she wouldn't shut up I put on my clothes and headed for the door. She begged me to stay and calmed down and then didn't bother me about it for a couple of weeks.

[Bushido]

If a girl starts slapping and kicking me, I would just send her home. Just tell her to leave without any emotion.
"sassato dete ike"

It doesn't matter if the last train has already gone. Then you soft next her for a few days. Expect a ton of calls and apologetic emails. After the fact, message her to meet up (assuming she apologized and you want to see her again) without any mention of what happened. The silent message has already been sent clearly - "I don't put up with bullshit. Do it again and you are out of my life"

The other option is to do the classic 逆切り (gyaku kiri) where you lose it at her with added rage when she gets angry with you. This can be effective and is typically what an asshole Japanese guy would do, but these days I prefer to avoid drama rather than escalating it. Hence the above response.

[Carlos100]

(04-06-2014 02:43 AM)dreambig Wrote:  

The other option is to do the classic 逆切り (gyaku kiri) where you lose it at her with added rage when she gets angry with you. This can be effective and is typically what an asshole Japanese guy would do, but these days I prefer to avoid drama rather than escalating it. Hence the above response.

I've seen Japanese guys do this in public. It usually involves violence. For some reason this is accepted in Japanese society, perhaps since it works, but as we all know, game is effective enough that violence should not be necessary.

[Comte De St. Germain]

Violence is the tool for those who have no self-control. Putting a female off emotional balance is 20x more effective than hitting her back and having her rationalize it all in her head due to the physical response. Again proof on why having frame is necessary.

[Carlos100]

(04-06-2014 06:38 AM)hwuzhere Wrote:  

Violence is the tool for those who have no self-control. Putting a female off emotional balance is 20x more effective than hitting her back and having her rationalize it all in her head due to the physical response. Again proof on why having frame is necessary.

Well, it's the threat of violence that is the key. When it comes down to it, if it's a physical battle that will decide the contest of wills, then all the woman (or children) needs to understand is that the man is willing and able to escalate it to that level and will win because of his musculature. That's what the Yakuza in Japan use to bend people to their will while rarely actually engaging in overt violence. Again, however, as you point out, emotional game and frame should be sufficient.

I think my (Japanese) wife understands that if she ever hits me, I will not descend to her level and hit her back. The consequences will be much more severe than that. I will quietly and efficiently prepare the divorce paperwork, send her back in shame to her mother's tiny house to live, and quickly replace her with a younger, thinner model. Dread game is more effective.

[Comte De St. Germain]

(04-06-2014 06:58 AM)Carlos100 Wrote:  

(04-06-2014 06:38 AM)hwuzhere Wrote:  

Violence is the tool for those who have no self-control. Putting a female off emotional balance is 20x more effective than hitting her back and having her rationalize it all in her head due to the physical response. Again proof on why having frame is necessary.

Well, it's the threat of violence that is the key. When it comes down to it, if it's a physical battle that will decide the contest of wills, then all the woman (or children) needs to understand is that the man is willing and able to escalate it to that level and will win because of his musculature. That's what the Yakuza in Japan use to bend people to their will while rarely actually engaging in overt violence. Again, however, as you point out, emotional game should be sufficient.

I agree there. The threat of violence is necessary but it needs to be conveyed in subtle way. Over-excessively resulting to violence on the other hand creates discomfort and hate as shown with the yakuza, but yes it is something to keep in your arsenal.