[speakeasy]

(11-13-2013 05:51 PM)scorpion Wrote:  

Let's be honest. This is a race issue.

Fallacy of composition. Because a subset of black kids in NJ are doing this is a reflection on the entire black race? Everytime I see a child-porn ring busted in the news, it's always a bunch of white males, is that a reflection on them as individuals or is it a white problem?

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How many White, Mestizo or Asian kids roll around in packs sucker punching people "just for the fun of it"?

There are way scarier Mestizo kids out there than these sucker punchers.

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The black community needs to take a long, hard look in the mirror. They are digging their own graves by allowing shit like this to take root among their youth. And then at the same time they have the nerve to play the victim card whenever a young, black man gets shot like Trayvon.

Nobody would even care about this knockout game if it was just blacks doing it to other blacks. Just like nobody gave a shit about the gang warfare in L.A. in the 80s and 90s so long as it was black-on-black and stayed contained to south of the 10 freeway. Whites here are just angry because there were some whites attacked on camera. If it was other blacks they were attacking, nobody would give a shit. Just like with the gang shootings.

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Whites are getting tired of it. Blacks have used up a lot of good will and the white guilt is starting to dissipate rapidly, especially when people see stories like this. There is going to be a backlash if blacks don't cut this shit out. A lot of innocent black people will suffer because of these idiot youths. The black culture and leadership needs to pull their heads out of their asses and do something about this instead of continuing to play the victim about everything.

"The black culture"?? Quit talking to us like we are a monolith. Like what some asshole does in the ghetto represents us all. There are 40 million black people in America. The number of blacks that have participated in this knockout "game" is like a fraction of a percent. If it was the Hell's Angels doing this shit, nobody would be saying it's a reflection of whites on the whole but rather a subset of thugs. That said, you can find a ton of clips on youtube of Russian gopniks behaving every bit as badly as these black kids. Is that a white problem?

[Walderschmidt]

(11-13-2013 09:37 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

Nobody would even care about this knockout game if it was just blacks doing it to other blacks. Just like nobody gave a shit about the gang warfare in L.A. in the 80s and 90s so long as it was black-on-black and stayed contained to south of the 10 freeway. Whites here are just angry because there were some whites attacked on camera. If it was other blacks they were attacking, nobody would give a shit. Just like with the gang shootings.

I just want to add - no one would have care about Trayvon Martin if another black shot him.

But because Zimmerman sounded white and looked white (in comparison) - suddenly everyone gave a shit.

It certainly looks like the media has an agenda.

Wald

[Jaydublin]

Speakeasy: You get way to caught up in the race subject at every opportunity.

Also about this "game", it reminds me of the shit I used to read/see about Russia and the FSU when I was younger and wanted to visit, before I actually did. This type of shit along with that biker gang. You can still see it in movies that use age old stereotypes about that region. I sure hope America isn't headed that direction but with half the country receiving government assistance I'd say its exactly where we are going. Until somebody knows what it takes to earn a dollar they are usually pretty worthless.

Gangs of kids just roaming the city looking to sucker punch people up for no reason... sounds like a great place

[Jaydublin]

(11-13-2013 09:47 PM)Walderschmidt Wrote:  

(11-13-2013 09:37 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

Nobody would even care about this knockout game if it was just blacks doing it to other blacks. Just like nobody gave a shit about the gang warfare in L.A. in the 80s and 90s so long as it was black-on-black and stayed contained to south of the 10 freeway. Whites here are just angry because there were some whites attacked on camera. If it was other blacks they were attacking, nobody would give a shit. Just like with the gang shootings.

I just want to add - no one would have care about Trayvon Martin if another black shot him.

But because Zimmerman sounded white and looked white (in comparison) - suddenly everyone gave a shit.

It certainly looks like the media has an agenda.

Wald

The media definitely had an agenda... using photos of Trayvon as a little boy while editing Zimmermans 911 call and (allegedly)photoshopping his face to look lighter skinned.

[randomForest]

(11-13-2013 09:49 PM)Jaydublin Wrote:  

Speakeasy: You get way to caught up in the race subject at every opportunity.

Also about this "game", it reminds me of the shit I used to read/see about Russia and the FSU when I was younger and wanted to visit, before I actually did. This type of shit along with that biker gang. You can still see it in movies that use age old stereotypes about that region. I sure hope America isn't headed that direction but with half the country receiving government assistance I'd say its exactly where we are going. Until somebody knows what it takes to earn a dollar they are usually pretty worthless.

Gangs of kids just roaming the city looking to sucker punch people up for no reason... sounds like a great place

Translation: stop being so eager to refute racist bullshit with rational arguments and hard facts. Why aren't you more willing to hang back in meek silence while blanket statements and broad-bush prejudices are spewed about your ethnic brethren?

[CaliforniaSupreme]

Calm down guys.

[scorpion]

Spare me the faux outrage, speakeasy.

Let me know the next time you see a gang of white kids running around sucker punching black people for no reason.

Actually, you won't have to let me know. It will be the lead news story on all the networks and the President will hold a press conference on it.

I'm a white guy and I genuinely have no ill feelings towards black or other races. But what I do have is ill feelings toward being made to feel like I can't speak out about shitty things that blacks or other races do because "that's racist". As if white people are the only people in the world who can be criticized? Give me a break. I refuse to be guilted or shamed.

It's laughable to pretend that black culture does not silently condone this sort of criminality and delinquency among young black males. Look at the adult man being interviewed in this video. He doesn't seem upset or ashamed at all. In fact, he seems a little amused. The girls in the video also seem to have no problem with randomly assaulting people. It's as if it's simply expected that young, black males are going to be violent and there's nothing to be done about it.

And guess what - it's that stereotype of young, black males as violent troublemakers - a stereotype that black culture does nothing to discourage - that is responsible for so much racism. Blacks are their own worst enemies in this regard. Whites (and Asians and Latinos, by the way) see stories like this and it just makes them go, "What the fuck is that? Now I have to be on guard every time I walk past black kids on the street? What the hell is wrong with these people?"

If black culture is not monolithic, as you say, then why are black leaders so quick to play the victim, yet never to be seen when a black person does something wrong? Where are the black leaders condemning nonsense like this where black youths victimize whites for no reason whatsoever?

[speakeasy]

(11-13-2013 09:47 PM)Walderschmidt Wrote:  

(11-13-2013 09:37 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

Nobody would even care about this knockout game if it was just blacks doing it to other blacks. Just like nobody gave a shit about the gang warfare in L.A. in the 80s and 90s so long as it was black-on-black and stayed contained to south of the 10 freeway. Whites here are just angry because there were some whites attacked on camera. If it was other blacks they were attacking, nobody would give a shit. Just like with the gang shootings.

I just want to add - no one would have care about Trayvon Martin if another black shot him.

But because Zimmerman sounded white and looked white (in comparison) - suddenly everyone gave a shit.

It certainly looks like the media has an agenda.

Wald

I agree. I've also never said that Martin was shot because he's black. If it weren't for the media and the viral power of social media, that would've never gone beyond being a local incident.

This knockout game sounds like it has a large copycat social-media aspect to it. Other than the obvious problems of smart phones in clubs and attention whoring on FB and instagram, social media in the hands of street thugs is causing a whole new problem. This knockout game probably could NOT have spread beyond a few isolated incidents if it weren't for the power of youtube and worldstarhiphop.

[Jaydublin]

[KorbenDallas]

Speakeasy- I agree with you that most blacks don't have anything to do with this. The fact is though, and I'm being lazy, so, I'm not going to do it myself, that if you look up crime statistics black on white crime is something like 4-10X higher than white on black crime. Also, the media has this curious habit of not reporting the race of violent black offenders or not reporting the crime at all, however, when it's a white on black crime it's suddenly national news a la Trayvon Martin. Your rightfully a little offended that the only reason someone cares about this is because its black on white and if that if it was black on black the media would not care. That's a very good point. Violent crime is unacceptable and it doesn't matter what color the perp is or the victim.

Try putting yourself in a white person's shoes. How would it feel to you if you lived in a place, I'm from St. Louis, where, there is a percentage of black youth that attacks whites, bully nerdy white kids, steal, rob, and make their part of the city very dangerous at night. Except the power structure says your not allowed to notice this, cause then your raciss. Everyone knows that the high murder rate in St. Louis is because of black violence. People don't go downtown at night because of gangs. Except instead of addressing these problems, the media ignores it. These issues are only discussed in terms of addressing inequality, meaning, it's white peoples fault for creating these environments. In school the only thing taught is that whites are racists, slavery, and all that. It is forbidden basically to notice that blacks have a percentage of their population that is racist. The black woman in donglegate even said it is impossible for a black person to be racist! Basically, the government-media-educational complex, has made it crime-think to acknowledge that blacks can be racist and violent. We all know whites can be racist and violent. Hollywood reminds us about 4 times a year just how racist and violent. But this whole notion that blacks can't be racist and are always victims, is going to cause whites to be resentful. Because its bullshit. Blacks can be racist. I've seen it.

There's a point in there somewhere. What I'm really trying to say is that society has this notion that only whites can be racist. And its wrong. That's what frustrates whites. I know the vast majority of blacks aren't violent racists. But some are. This is where the frustration is coming from Speakeasy.

[speakeasy]

(11-13-2013 10:03 PM)scorpion Wrote:  

Spare me the faux outrage, speakeasy.

Let me know the next time you see a gang of white kids running around sucker punching black people for no reason.

Actually, you won't have to let me know. It will be the lead news story on all the networks and the President will hold a press conference on it.

I'm a white guy and I genuinely have no ill feelings towards black or other races. But what I do have is ill feelings toward being made to feel like I can't speak out about shitty things that blacks or other races do because "that's racist". As if white people are the only people in the world who can be criticized? Give me a break. I refuse to be guilted or shamed.

It's laughable to pretend that black culture does not silently condone this sort of criminality and delinquency among young black males. Look at the adult man being interviewed in this video. He doesn't seem upset or ashamed at all. In fact, he seems a little amused. The girls in the video also seem to have no problem with randomly assaulting people. It's as if it's simply expected that young, black males are going to be violent and there's nothing to be done about it.

And guess what - it's that stereotype of young, black males as violent troublemakers - a stereotype that black culture does nothing to discourage - that is responsible for so much racism. Blacks are their own worst enemies in this regard. Whites (and Asians and Latinos, by the way) see stories like this and it just makes them go, "What the fuck is that? Now I have to be on guard every time I walk past black kids on the street? What the hell is wrong with these people?"

If black culture is not monolithic, as you say, then why are black leaders so quick to play the victim, yet never to be seen when a black person does something wrong? Where are the black leaders condemning nonsense like this where black youths victimize whites for no reason whatsoever?

Hey look man, I'm sorry this even had to turn into a racial thread. Because when I watched the video before even reading the comments, I can assure you I was every bit as taken aback as you. You don't even want to know what I would do these motherfuckers if it was up to me to punish them. So I hope you aren't thinking that I am in any way tacitly excusing this behavior.

What stirs up people like me(and I'm sure I speak on behalf of some other black members in the forum) is that any bad behavior by black thugs is seen as a wider "black problem" rather than a problem of a subset of underclass in black America. A huge number of us don't identify with what we see here. Amongst my black friends they are all decent, hard-working people that have no connection to people that behave like that. I have no more power to stop them from doing this than you do. I don't even know any people that act this way nor do I ever even come into any personal contact with such persons. The last thing I need is people painting our entire race with a wide brush based on the behavior of a minority of street thugs. Like I said, nobody would paint the entire white race with this same brush if it was outlaw biker gangs doing the same thing. They would be viewed as a rouge underclass.

As for that man's reaction in the video you'll have to ask him what's up on that. If he grew up in the hood, he's probably seen a hell of a lot worse things than this in his time so it may not have the same shock value to him as it does to you. I don't know.

As for those girls, well, they're just typical, stupid bitches who get wet over men that act ruthless and dominating. They're following the herd. No explanation even needed there.

(11-13-2013 10:25 PM)KorbenDallas Wrote:  

Speakeasy- I agree with you that most blacks don't have anything to do with this. The fact is though, and I'm being lazy, so, I'm not going to do it myself, that if you look up crime statistics black on white crime is something like 4-10X higher than white on black crime.

That's not surprising, because we're dealing with two things, mathematically. 1) Blacks have a higher violent crime rate and 2) Whites vastly outnumber blacks. Let's take a hypothetical situation where the population of a country consists of 10 red people and 90 blue people. If the red people committed crime with no regards to race, 90% of their victims would be blue people. If the blue people committed crime with no regard to race, only 10% of the victims would be red people. So the blue people could argue that we are attacked 9x as much as we attack them, even when race played no factor in who attacked who and the victims were picked at random.

In reality though, the majority of crime is within a race, by far. Most black murder is unleashed upon other blacks. Most white women are raped by white men. However, in the situation where it is interracial, it is more likely to be black on white. However that does not mean MOST black crime is directed toward whites. Most crimes are crimes of opportunity, not racially motivated. If a black thug is looking to rob somebody and I'm wearing expensive jewelry, I'm gonna get robbed as quickly as any white man would.

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Also, the media has this curious habit of not reporting the race of violent black offenders or not reporting the crime at all, however, when it's a white on black crime it's suddenly national news a la Trayvon Martin.

Well, the media isn't owned by black people, so we certainly aren't behind that. But we all know there's a lot of politics and political correctness behind the media. The media is the blue pill.

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Try putting yourself in a white person's shoes. How would it feel to you if you lived in a place, I'm from St. Louis, where, there is a percentage of black youth that attacks whites, bully nerdy white kids, steal, rob, and make their part of the city very dangerous at night. Except the power structure says your not allowed to notice this, cause then your raciss. Everyone knows that the high murder rate in St. Louis is because of black violence. People don't go downtown at night because of gangs. Except instead of addressing these problems, the media ignores it.

These issues are only discussed in terms of addressing inequality, meaning, it's white peoples fault for creating these environments. In school the only thing taught is that whites are racists, slavery, and all that. It is forbidden basically to notice that blacks have a percentage of their population that is racist. The black woman in donglegate even said it is impossible for a black person to be racist! Basically, the government-media-educational complex, has made it crime-think to acknowledge that blacks can be racist and violent. We all know whites can be racist and violent. Hollywood reminds us about 4 times a year just how racist and violent. But this whole notion that blacks can't be racist and are always victims, is going to cause whites to be resentful. Because its bullshit. Blacks can be racist. I've seen it.

There's a point in there somewhere. What I'm really trying to say is that society has this notion that only whites can be racist. And its wrong. That's what frustrates whites. I know the vast majority of blacks aren't violent racists. But some are. This is where the frustration is coming from Speakeasy.

I think the whole "blacks can't be racist" thing is pretty much over. I remember hearing that thrown around in the 90s as a result of critical race theory, but I rarely hear it now. Not outside of social-science academic circles. It's certainly not a mainstream belief.

Edit -- If it happens that this knockout game is purposely directed at whites, then it should be charged as hate crimes the same way a bunch of nazi skinheads would be charged jumping a black.

[Walderschmidt]

(11-13-2013 10:04 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

[quote] (11-13-2013 09:47 PM)Walderschmidt Wrote:  

Nobody would even care about this knockout game if it was just blacks doing it to other blacks. Just like nobody gave a shit about the gang warfare in L.A. in the 80s and 90s so long as it was black-on-black and stayed contained to south of the 10 freeway. Whites here are just angry because there were some whites attacked on camera. If it was other blacks they were attacking, nobody would give a shit. Just like with the gang shootings.

I agree. I've also never said that Martin was shot because he's black. If it weren't for the media and the viral power of social media, that would've never gone beyond being a local incident.

I was not saying that you claimed Martin was shot because he was black.

I was only supporting your assertion that nobody would even care if this knockout game was just blacks doing it to other blacks.

Likewise, no one would have cared about Trayvon had Zimmerman been black.

Wald

[Kingsley Davis]

[Walderschmidt]

(11-13-2013 10:46 PM)Kingsley Davis Wrote:  

That's a perfect video for this thread.

Wald

[Therapsid]

Black folks need to stop being so knee-jerk defensive about any discussion of crime in their community.

What are we talking about here anyway? That it's somehow oppressive to want to see more urban black youth become law abiding citizens?

The fact is, the vast majority of people aren't racist, and most of the rest aren't virulently so. In fact, I'd bet that most white people, as well as Americans of other races, would like nothing more than for the black community to prosper and for inner cities to flourish.

In the meantime, the private sector is voting with its dollars. They're not investing in areas with high rates of violent crime, not even two decades after the crime wave peaked. Maybe black youth are acting out because of a lack of jobs, if you want to interpret it generously, but they're also ensuring that those jobs will never arrive.

[speakeasy]

Just saw this. A bit off-topic but hilarious:

http://www.npr.org/blogs/codeswitch/2013...an-african

[speakeasy]

(11-13-2013 10:56 PM)Therapsid Wrote:  

In the meantime, the private sector is voting with its dollars. They're not investing in areas with high rates of violent crime, not even two decades after the crime wave peaked. Maybe black youth are acting out because of a lack of jobs, if you want to interpret it generously, but they're also ensuring that those jobs will never arrive.

I do think the high unemployment rate is a major factor. Something that can't be ignored. In the ghetto, unemployment rates can be upward of 50% for black youth. You can drive through the hood in places like Camdem or Philly and see dudes just standing around in the streets doing nothing with no prospect for work. Granted, most of them are probably unemployable in the modern workforce. And let's be real, these guys aren't going to enroll at MIT tomorrow and become data scientists either. The gutting of the manufacturing sector has been disasterous for both the inner city and rust belt rural communities. And in many places, blue-collar jobs that many blacks used to do that paid a living wage such as construction, meat-packing and dry-walling are now done by illegal immigrants for cheap. These jobs are only being replaced with low-paying service/retail jobs. We do need a healthy sector of blue-collar jobs that pay living wages, because not everyone is college material. Some people really should go into trades.

I'll use my own dad as an example. He grew up in a small east coast city. A lot of his friends were in trouble, going to jail, getting into drugs, etc. the typical problems in the inner city. He decided he wanted to get away from all that. He moved to California in the 70s and started a new life. Got a job at GM. Back in the day, you could be an assembly line worker and raise a family. If it weren't for his decision, I'd probably have been raised in the ghetto and who knows what kind of trouble I'd have been surrounded by. The old school auto workers who are unionized can make 60-70k a year, with no college diploma. My dad was telling me that when they opened this new Nissan plant near where he lives, the plant refused to allow their workers to unionize. They were starting people off with like $12/hr. That's just a sign of where shit is headed.

My overall point is that we need to figure out how to bring down the unemployment rate and how we get more living-wage jobs. While there are many things that contribute to the crime, none of this can be completely separated from economic conditions. If you give some kid in the projects a chance to work at McDonalds for $6/hr(or whatever the mininum wage is now) versus hundreds a day slanging dope, it's going to make the latter look more enticing. It would be great if we could bus these kids to the oil patch of N. Dakota. They'll be too busy and making too much money to worry about playing some knockout game.

[j r]

(11-13-2013 05:51 PM)scorpion Wrote:  

Let's be honest. This is a race issue.

How many White, Mestizo or Asian kids roll around in packs sucker punching people "just for the fun of it"?

The black community needs to take a long, hard look in the mirror. They are digging their own graves by allowing shit like this to take root among their youth. And then at the same time they have the nerve to play the victim card whenever a young, black man gets shot like Trayvon.

Whites are getting tired of it. Blacks have used up a lot of good will and the white guilt is starting to dissipate rapidly, especially when people see stories like this. There is going to be a backlash if blacks don't cut this shit out. A lot of innocent black people will suffer because of these idiot youths. The black culture and leadership needs to pull their heads out of their asses and do something about this instead of continuing to play the victim about everything.

Does this mean that you take responsibility for every bad thing that a white person has ever done?

There is nothing honest about this comment. It's the perfect example of concern trolling. If you want to blame all black people for the actions of a small minority, then just come out and do it. Don't pretend to be concerned about backlash.

[KorbenDallas]

Speakeasy you make a lot of good points. I think the main thing, at least I hope...is that the white frustration is caused more and directed more at the power structure than any feeling of contempt towards black people in a racist I'm better than you because I'm white kind of way. You said that you hadn't heard that "blacks can't be racist" in a while, I haven't either, I meant more in a formal or school setting, in my education it was always taught that the only bad people in American history were evil white men where only white men ever did bad things and no one was allowed to criticize blacks. In my opinion, the media is TRYING to sow racial division. The elites want blacks and whites to be at each other's throats instead of at the throats of our corrupt insect overlords.

Also, America should end affirmative action, period. Best man for the job gets the job. When did equality turn into we want to be more equal? My point in these racial discussions is that white people have been shouted down in public discourse from voicing their legitimate perspective. White people aren't allowed to talk about race in the public forum. Whether it be ESPN, radio, or whatever if a white person has a non-pc view on race-boom-fired. Black person says something way worse? 2 day suspension. That breeds more racism from both sides. That's also why these threads get so heated on this forum. Blacks have a lot of legitimate concerns and grievances, even today, as a minority in white majority country. Unequal sentencing for the same crimes, police abuse, amongst a plethora of other issues. Not being black I don't know all the issues black people have concerns about, I do know they have MANY that are real and legitimate. Whites have legitimate concerns too. Affirmative action, not being able to speak in the public sphere without fear from the PC police, and being barred from race discussions in the classroom setting in fear of being labeled raciss by PC teachers, amongst others.

In my opinion its this silencing from a very early age by the educational system and the media that causes some whites to lose it and go from having legitimate concerns to full blown racist. I think its on purpose to. I also think white liberals who jump quickly to calling a white racist just for having a libertarian or conservative perspective are projecting. The most racist things I've ever heard are from white liberals.

[la_mode]

Really hope this doesn't turn into "reverse racism" is the real problem in America. Whites equally enjoy playing victim on occasion as well.

Society has idiots in every race.

A cool black guy and a cool white guy have more in common than a not-cool black guy and cool black guy, although they're not of the same race. This applies to everyone.

[KorbenDallas]

The real problem in America is the stupidity of the average citizen and the fact we allow women to vote.

[speakeasy]

(11-14-2013 12:01 AM)KorbenDallas Wrote:  

The real problem in America is the stupidity of the average citizen and the fact we allow women to vote.

Now I wouldn't go that far, lol. I think it's fine that my mom has the same right to vote as my dad.

[The Lizard of Oz]

I don't think this has that much to do with unemployment or poverty.

These black kids don't look like they're dirt poor. They all got their smartphones at the ready. They're just bored and want to fuck people up, just like they say.

When you're really poor you don't have time to waste on random violence; if you're going to be violent it will be directed at getting money from someone. That's not what's going on here.

I wonder what sort of shit they're on if anything. I wouldn't be surprised if there are energy drink mixes involved, maybe with some Ritalin or other speed type pills. Just a hunch.

Anyway, I have a feeling we'll be seeing more not less of this for a while. There's been a long lull in violence in the US, crime rates have been dropping like a stone. That doesn't have to go on forever. I sense that a lot of people in various ways are really jonesing for some action. Whites it's going to be solo shooters here and there, blacks it's going to be these teen savages knocking grandpa out cold. Watch out.

[scorpion]

(11-13-2013 11:31 PM)j r Wrote:  

Does this mean that you take responsibility for every bad thing that a white person has ever done?

There is nothing honest about this comment. It's the perfect example of concern trolling. If you want to blame all black people for the actions of a small minority, then just come out and do it. Don't pretend to be concerned about backlash.

No. My white guilt is all tapped out, I'm afraid. I'm not going to apologize for what whites do today, or what they did a few hundred years ago. However, that certainly places me in the minority. Most politically correct whites, especially those in the media, will fall all over themselves to condemn any behavior by whites seen as remotely "racist", especially when a black person is somehow involved. You will never find a shortage of white people willing to throw other whites under the bus for "racism", however scurrilous the charge.

But now consider the reverse. You have gangs of young, black males running around knocking out white people just for fun. No black person of prominence stands up and says, "This is a problem for our community. These fools make us all look bad." Instead, you see these race hustlers pop out only when blacks are the victims. When Trayvon was killed, the black community stood together. When black youths roam the streets committing violence in epidemic numbers, they all turn away.

Do you think other races don't notice this? Do you think whites especially, who are made to feel extraordinary amounts of guilt and shame for the crime of having "white privilege", don't notice that blacks can basically do no wrong as far as the media is concerned? And as far as black leaders are concerned?

No, of course they notice. But most don't say anything, for fear of being called racist. At some point, however, that's not going to fly anymore. We saw early signs of this with the Trayvon case. The hypocrisy of the black community was on full display - playing the victim while refusing to take responsibility for the violent thug culture that Trayvon was a part of. Shit like that creates feelings of racial animus in whites.

Blacks in America have so much goodwill from whites, they don't even understand it. And they won't until it starts to go away again. And it will be the fault of the black community and the black leaders when it happens.

This is a country where black people used to be owned as property, lynched on trees and shot in the streets with firehoses while marching. And yet now if someone criticizes violence in the black community...THAT is racist? Give me a break. The historical ignorance is appalling. Most blacks alive today don't even know what real racism is. They think racism is when a white guy on television says the word "nigger". It would to be a rude awakening if white people actually did start being racist again. And my fear is that the black community is actively encouraging that by turning a blind eye to the problems of violence committed by young, black males. That is the backlash I'm talking about. And yes, it does concern me, because I don't want to see the vast majority of black people suffer on account of the actions of a minority of violent, black males. But if the black community doesn't step up to condemn them and stop it, that's what is going to happen.

[Glock]

(11-13-2013 03:42 PM)Zebra_Cakes Wrote:  

One of these punks is eventually going to do this to the wrong person and end up dead.

Two words: George Zimmerman.