[rudder]

I refuse to believe that with all the scientific advancement of the past few decades that we have not figured out how to cure baldness.

The shampoos and all those things don't work.

I figured someone on the roosh forum would know the answer.

What really works? I have a receding hairline, and it seems like it has really been picking up the pace these past few months. I want the hair to start growing back again.

[Tytalus]

A friend of mine was a consultant for this company

http://www.biologixhair.com/

And apparently, it works. I'm very, very interested as a bald guy myself.

The story of the drug, according to my friend, is that they were making a drug that would keep the roots of your hair, very, very strong. In fact, they weren't even making it for bald dudes, they were trying to corner the market on an external drug for psych patients that would rip their hair out. It worked ok for that, but in fact, it worked even better for people with thinning hair.

[rudder]

(08-15-2013 07:34 PM)Tytalus Wrote:  

A friend of mine was a consultant for this company

http://www.biologixhair.com/

And apparently, it works. I'm very, very interested as a bald guy myself.

The story of the drug, according to my friend, is that they were making a drug that would keep the roots of your hair, very, very strong. In fact, they weren't even making it for bald dudes, they were trying to corner the market on an external drug for psych patients that would rip their hair out. It worked ok for that, but in fact, it worked even better for people with thinning hair.

But once the hair falls out, there's no getting it back?

[jctennis123]

^ Link posted above is not legal in the U.S. or Europe

[Onto]

At some point the best thing to do is shave it all off, like Bruce Willis. I started losing my hair in my early 20's. At the time it was psychologically difficult. Now I could care less because I've realized it has no bearing on my ability to attract a woman. I'm sexy with or without it.

[Thomas the Rhymer]

With current medical technology, it is impossible to regrow the hair you have lost.

There are medications to prevent further hair loss, but you won't regrow the hair. You can only stop the process in its tracks.

The best the medical world can do for you at this point is a skin transplant of hairy skin, which is frankly not worth the effort considering the risks and costs.

[Basil Ransom]

Suspect: http://www.baldingblog.com/2013/08/06/pr...reporting/

I don't check this stuff on a regular basis, but any time I have a question, I search the blog above, baldingblog.com . The guys seem to know their stuff, and don't spout bullshit.

[poledaddy]

I find minoxidil greatly reduced my hair loss - buy the kirkland brand on ebay in bulk. Also I really think a good diet and vitamin supplementation goes a long way. I noticed a big difference when I started taking vitamins. I used to always see hair falling out when I showered or styled it; hardly ever now. Badlness runs really bad for the men on my Mom's side of the family but so far they are "holding the line" for me.

If I had a decent shaped head I would shave it and be done with it. But with the way mine is shaped, I'd look like an alien.

[BostonBMW]

I hate to say this but they always tout a baldness cure to be a few years away, however it has not materialized as of yet.

I'd say if you are thinning, then get on the Big Three (Finasteride, Rogaine, and Nizoral Shampoo). That should buy you some years.

I do not recommend getting a hair transplant due to cost/hair coverage/the need to continue on meds.

I hope there is a tangible cure for baldness in the near future.

[LEONMAL]

check out http://www.bornagainhair.com and read about the MALINIAK METHOD.

It was recommended by one of your own members here in an unsolicited testimonial.

Those of you who really know the scientific issues involved in HAIR LOSS and MPB will see how this radical new theory and treatment method make sense and you will see all the evidence of its effectiveness.

It uses no drugs, no lotions and no surgery

[FrenchCanadian]

I always said that, "the man who finds the TRUE cure to baldness, will be a very rich man"
i'd keep that in mind, when you "check out" other methods and techniques

[Cr33pin]

[theking]

If u have a receding hairline your best option would be to get a hair transplant to fill it in and then use fin/RU to maintain the surrounding hair. I've got a near perfect hairline but Im still pretty paranoid about losing it. Check out RU, which is a topical anti-DHT drug. In clinical studies I believe it was even more effective than fin for reducing DHT. Most importantly, it has a non-systematic effect meaning it only attacks DHT on the scalp, not the whole body like fin which means there is pretty much no side effects. This is not some hippy herbal drug, RU is the real deal, for pharmaceutical political reasons or whatever it has not become popular but it still has some real science behind it.

The only real problem with RU is that it is pretty expensive, about $100 for 50ml dosed at 5% is what Im paying. I think its worth it tho

[Horus]

I did some research into Finasteride. It works very well for hair loss, but the side effects reported by a large majority of users includes impotence and loss of libido.
For this price, there is no way it's worth taking in my opinion.

I have been using the Rogaine foam for a while and it has completely stopped shedding on all areas of my scalp. Before I used it, if I pulled my hair gently, I would end up with about ten hairs within my fingers, but this is no longer the case. There is no way the hair I have already lost will come back, but this seems to be keeping what I still have and I'm glad I caught it relatively early before I went completely bald. Keep in mind that it's a life time thing - when you stop using it, your hair will continue to shed.

[Basil Ransom]

(01-18-2014 12:43 PM)Horus Wrote:  

I did some research into Finasteride. It works very well for hair loss, but the side effects reported by a large majority of users includes impotence and loss of libido.

You don't know your shit, GTFO.



Finasteride side effects are experienced by a small minority of users.

http://www.baldingblog.com/2011/01/26/pr...ects-myth/

[Laurifer]

I remember I skimmed over a recent article in medical journal that researchers in the Netherlands where able to clone the hair root from the donor site. Essentially, the root is split into two. So your donor site keeps its hair and your bald spot gets a new follicle.

I will try to link it.

Edit:

Here is a website of a Dutch clinic that is offering the procedure.

Hair stem cell transplantation

More on restoration of donor area

Quote:

The donor area is the area from which the grafts are taken. In this section we describe the major advantages HST offers for preserving the donor area.

One of the most significant differences with traditional techniques is that with HST only a tiny part of the hair follicle is removed. The majority of the follicle is left it in the donor area where it will produce new hair. This preserves the donor area for future treatments, which is why this technique should actually be referred to as hair multiplication, rather than transplantation.

Thanks to the specialised instruments it is impossible to take too much of the hair follicle. These tools allow us to retain the hair follicles in the donor area, so there are no unsightly scars and no visible loss of hair density. We also guarantee that the hairs in the donor area will largely grow back.

[CPG]

I first starting noticing hair loss in my early 20's, and the annual family reunion gave me regular reminders of what I was in for if I didn't do anything about it. I've spent years trying to control it, most of which was on the Big 3 until I abandoned it for reasons below. I'll go over my experience on the drugs and then what I'm trying now.

To answer the OP's question: there is no cure as of early 2014. There are a few FDA approved treatments of varying effectiveness and side effects, and there are a host of home brew solutions. Some of those are pure snake oil while some have evidence behind them, and it's hard to sort them out. Going forward there are promising potential cures--I'm particularly interested in hair cloning--but you can't count on having them in the next few years if ever, so it's worth trying to at least slow down and stabilize your current loss.

Before getting into my take on treatment, fair warning: a major challenge with picking hair loss protocols is that the vast majority do not have extensive studies behind them like those you find with minoxidil (rogaine) and finasteride (propecia). Those kind of FDA-aproval tier studies require serious corporate backing, so many of the treatments that people swear by on forums and blogs don't have sources to cite as there is little to no grant money available for non-commercial treatments. This leaves many of the forum discussions little more than hearsay, my own included. I'll cite studies where I can, otherwise, you need to make your own best judgment.

To start with, here's my experience on the Big 3, ranked in the order that I recommend trying them:
Ketoconazole/Nizoral: this is a shampoo whose active ingredient is ketoconazole, originally used to kill microbes causing infection on the scalp. When using the shampoo regularly, your scalp will build up a concentration of ketoconazole that inhibits DHT. Long story short, DHT is a main driver of hair loss, and reducing its effects is crucial for most men affected by hair loss.

There is research behind using ketoconazole to treat hair loss, such as http://europepmc.org/abstract/MED/12227482/ and http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18498517. Anecdotally you've find plenty of people who report better results using it, myself included. I'm not aware of any side effects or other problems for most people, so I consider this is a safe bet and suggest it for pretty much everyone with male pattern baldness to try.

Rather than Nizoral, I recommend either Regenepure or Revita--those formulas are much less harsh on my scalp than Nizoral is, and the Regenpure in particular leaves my hair looking fuller. I started using ketoconazole shampoo 3 years ago and haven't stopped since, including throughout the time period where I ceased using the drugs below.

Minoxidil/Rogaine: this is the original FDA-approved treatment from the 80's, and there's so much research out there supporting it that I'll leave it to the curious to look it for themselves. Its exact mechanism is unknown (last time I checked anyway), but the basic effect is that it stimulates follicles to keep pumping out hair when they would otherwise stop due to male pattern baldness. It's fairly safe, though some people have reported side effects they are nothing like those on finasteride.

I used it off and on for some years, and when I was consistent on it I did notice it propping up thinning hair around my temples. Personally, I disliked having my hair feel greasy all day and night, and it definitely caused some drying out and itching so I ultimately dropped it in favor of other treatments. At the same time, some people can use it indefinitely without ill effects, and I wouldn't discourage trying it. It is cheap and easy to use if nothing else, especially compared to the investments required for some of the later items.

If you're going to use it, try out one of these augmented formulas:
1. minomuck: this adds some anti-DHT and other properties to minoxidil. You order the muck at http://www.qdbd.com/hair_loss_treatment_minmuck.htm and mix it in with your Kirkland bulk package or other generic brand of minoxidil. I got about a year's worth out of one order of the muck, and found it made the minoxidil slightly more pleasant to use.
2. Lippogaine: a commercial product similar to the minomuck without you having to mix it up yourself. You can find it with plenty of customer reviews on Amazon.

Finasteride/Propecia: the active ingredient in this is finasteride, which was originally used to treat enlarged prostates. Basically, taking finasteride in pill form causes your blood DHT levels to plummet, which in turn lowers scalp DHT levels. Above I mentioned that DHT is a main driver of typical hair loss, so naturally this helps protect against said loss. The problem is, DHT is a hormone derived from testosterone that the male body uses for normal function. Screwing with the body's endocrine system is risky.

When Propecia first came out, the official FDA study claimed that only 2% or so of men suffered side effects, and that said side effects included reduced libido, erectile dysfunction, etc. The marketing at the time claimed that side effects go away after just a few weeks off the drug, so hey, why not try it and see? I knew I needed something to try to stop hair loss, and I figured if I was part of the unlucky 1 in 50 men I'd just stop taking it.

I was on it for 5 years. First, the good: it did its job. Within 3 months of taking it I noticed thin fine hairs coming in, and within a year my hairline was stronger than it had been for a couple years. It also held the line, and throughout that 5 year period I considered my hair loss dealt with. Now, during this period I'd occasionally hear of men complaining about side effects, but figured it was just scaremongering and/or them trying to promote some treatment of their own.

Near the end of my time on propecia I got into game. Problem is, for most of my early lays I wasn't enjoying the sex as much as I thought I would...I had normal function, but it just didn't feel that satisfying and I rarely came. I thought I was too inexperienced and it'd go away, but even with girls I saw regularly sex never got as good as it should have been. I chalked it up to me being behind from being a late bloomer and/or other baggage I had to deal with.

Around the 5 year mark, my prescription lapsed in the dead of Winter and the doctor insisted that I come in to get it renewed. I didn't have time to do so for a while, and I ended up running out of the drug. After 2 weeks off it, I went through this sudden phase of aggression. I remember driving around and getting incredibly irritated at anything other people did on the road, working out harder than usual, and feeling a surge of libido like I hadn't since college.

This made me think back to what I'd read about men's complaints of side effects and complete loss of libido and sexual function. Once the aggression phase passed I got back to feeling "normal", but the increased drive remained. Sex got a lot more pleasurable and when Spring came I hit the bars with a focus I hadn't felt before even when first getting into game. After that I couldn't stomach the thought of getting on propecia again and swore it off.

With all that said, some men take propecia for years and feel just fine. Others have side effects that make mine look like a picnic. Several years ago research started coming out showing that the side effect rate of finasertide is way above 2%, and that unlike the company's claims the sides can be permanent. You can read a collection of the studies, stories of men with persistent side effects, and see their blood work at http://propeciahelp.com/ with studies at http://propeciahelp.com/studies-and-research.

I just checked for current news on Merck (the makers of Propecia), and apparently right now there are several colleges recruiting men for side effect studies. There are class action lawsuits in Canada and Israel against Merck for men suffering persistent side effects, and a handful of European nations require warning labels on Propecia for the risk of the same.

So, for me at least finasteride is poison, and I recommend against it...if you're seriously considering it or your doctor is pushing it, check some studies before taking it. You should also get preliminary blood work done, monitoring your testosterone, estrodial, prolactin, and some other hormones and see if they are affected by the drug. Some unlucky men end up with suppressed T and increased estrogen and prolactin, not a pretty picture.

LLLT: after dropping finasteride I went into denial about hair loss for a while. I kept using ketoconazole shampoo but otherwise said fuck it, and unfortunately the hair loss picked up again. I coasted for a year, then realized that if I wanted to avoid a future shaved head it was time to try something new.

My research took me into reading about low level laser therapy (LLLT) treatments for hair loss. Commercially you can go to laser hair studies, where they have what looks like those perm stations you see at hair salons but that use lasers to stimulate hair growth. They have a strong track record, however, they are crazy expensive...I've heard of annual contracts running $10K+, which is more than I'm good for.

I researched how to build your own, and stubbornly tried my first helmet do-it-yourself style and pretty much screwed it up--I used too weak of a power supply and thin of wires, and had a sloppy build anyway, so my follicles got much lower stimulation than they should have. I did notice some improvements to hair quality, but results were random and when I saw that my helmet was flickering from the poor wiring I ordered a helmet from a guy who specializes in them and tried again.

I just started using the new helmet 3 weeks ago, and it's too early to evaluate results. I can only vouch for it in as much as saying my research convinced me it could work, my early results from the screwed up helmet were promising, and I'm testing a proper build now. We'll see.

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With current medical technology, it is impossible to regrow the hair you have lost.

There are medications to prevent further hair loss, but you won't regrow the hair. You can only stop the process in its tracks.

Fun fact: I lied above, there is a proven hair loss treatment...just no one in his right mind will do it. Men with male pattern baldness who get castrated will indeed stop losing their hair, and even get some regrowth. But, that regrowth is limited...a half-bald castrated guy will regain a couple year's worth of hair and no more. One proposed reason is that just like acne scarring, male pattern baldness causes fibrosis of the scalp and other such things, such as in this study: http://www.ehrs.org/conferenceabstracts/...tinova.htm

The take away is that with your theoretically perfect hair loss treatment, you'll regrow at the most 30 months of hair loss. The odds of you stumbling on the perfect treatment are low, so I'd more realistically say you can get a year or two's regrowth if you hit all the right notes in treatment. I wouldn't even aim for that, though, as with current options your best bet is to prolong what you've got till a cure comes in.

[Richiavelli]

(01-18-2014 03:22 PM)CPG Wrote:  

I first starting noticing hair loss in my early 20's, and the annual family reunion gave me regular reminders of what I was in for if I didn't do anything about it. I've spent years trying to control it, most of which was on the Big 3 until I abandoned it for reasons below. I'll go over my experience on the drugs and then what I'm trying now.

To answer the OP's question: there is no cure as of early 2014. There are a few FDA approved treatments of varying effectiveness and side effects, and there are a host of home brew solutions. Some of those are pure snake oil while some have evidence behind them, and it's hard to sort them out. Going forward there are promising potential cures--I'm particularly interested in hair cloning--but you can't count on having them in the next few years if ever, so it's worth trying to at least slow down and stabilize your current loss.

Before getting into my take on treatment, fair warning: a major challenge with picking hair loss protocols is that the vast majority do not have extensive studies behind them like those you find with minoxidil (rogaine) and finasteride (propecia). Those kind of FDA-aproval tier studies require serious corporate backing, so many of the treatments that people swear by on forums and blogs don't have sources to cite as there is little to no grant money available for non-commercial treatments. This leaves many of the forum discussions little more than hearsay, my own included. I'll cite studies where I can, otherwise, you need to make your own best judgment.

To start with, here's my experience on the Big 3, ranked in the order that I recommend trying them:
Ketoconazole/Nizoral: this is a shampoo whose active ingredient is ketoconazole, originally used to kill microbes causing infection on the scalp. When using the shampoo regularly, your scalp will build up a concentration of ketoconazole that inhibits DHT. Long story short, DHT is a main driver of hair loss, and reducing its effects is crucial for most men affected by hair loss.

There is research behind using ketoconazole to treat hair loss, such as http://europepmc.org/abstract/MED/12227482/ and http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18498517. Anecdotally you've find plenty of people who report better results using it, myself included. I'm not aware of any side effects or other problems for most people, so I consider this is a safe bet and suggest it for pretty much everyone with male pattern baldness to try.

Rather than Nizoral, I recommend either Regenepure or Revita--those formulas are much less harsh on my scalp than Nizoral is, and the Regenpure in particular leaves my hair looking fuller. I started using ketoconazole shampoo 3 years ago and haven't stopped since, including throughout the time period where I ceased using the drugs below.

Minoxidil/Rogaine: this is the original FDA-approved treatment from the 80's, and there's so much research out there supporting it that I'll leave it to the curious to look it for themselves. Its exact mechanism is unknown (last time I checked anyway), but the basic effect is that it stimulates follicles to keep pumping out hair when they would otherwise stop due to male pattern baldness. It's fairly safe, though some people have reported side effects they are nothing like those on finasteride.

I used it off and on for some years, and when I was consistent on it I did notice it propping up thinning hair around my temples. Personally, I disliked having my hair feel greasy all day and night, and it definitely caused some drying out and itching so I ultimately dropped it in favor of other treatments. At the same time, some people can use it indefinitely without ill effects, and I wouldn't discourage trying it. It is cheap and easy to use if nothing else, especially compared to the investments required for some of the later items.

If you're going to use it, try out one of these augmented formulas:
1. minomuck: this adds some anti-DHT and other properties to minoxidil. You order the muck at http://www.qdbd.com/hair_loss_treatment_minmuck.htm and mix it in with your Kirkland bulk package or other generic brand of minoxidil. I got about a year's worth out of one order of the muck, and found it made the minoxidil slightly more pleasant to use.
2. Lippogaine: a commercial product similar to the minomuck without you having to mix it up yourself. You can find it with plenty of customer reviews on Amazon.

Finasteride/Propecia: the active ingredient in this is finasteride, which was originally used to treat enlarged prostates. Basically, taking finasteride in pill form causes your blood DHT levels to plummet, which in turn lowers scalp DHT levels. Above I mentioned that DHT is a main driver of typical hair loss, so naturally this helps protect against said loss. The problem is, DHT is a hormone derived from testosterone that the male body uses for normal function. Screwing with the body's endocrine system is risky.

When Propecia first came out, the official FDA study claimed that only 2% or so of men suffered side effects, and that said side effects included reduced libido, erectile dysfunction, etc. The marketing at the time claimed that side effects go away after just a few weeks off the drug, so hey, why not try it and see? I knew I needed something to try to stop hair loss, and I figured if I was part of the unlucky 1 in 50 men I'd just stop taking it.

I was on it for 5 years. First, the good: it did its job. Within 3 months of taking it I noticed thin fine hairs coming in, and within a year my hairline was stronger than it had been for a couple years. It also held the line, and throughout that 5 year period I considered my hair loss dealt with. Now, during this period I'd occasionally hear of men complaining about side effects, but figured it was just scaremongering and/or them trying to promote some treatment of their own.

Near the end of my time on propecia I got into game. Problem is, for most of my early lays I wasn't enjoying the sex as much as I thought I would...I had normal function, but it just didn't feel that satisfying and I rarely came. I thought I was too inexperienced and it'd go away, but even with girls I saw regularly sex never got as good as it should have been. I chalked it up to me being behind from being a late bloomer and/or other baggage I had to deal with.

Around the 5 year mark, my prescription lapsed in the dead of Winter and the doctor insisted that I come in to get it renewed. I didn't have time to do so for a while, and I ended up running out of the drug. After 2 weeks off it, I went through this sudden phase of aggression. I remember driving around and getting incredibly irritated at anything other people did on the road, working out harder than usual, and feeling a surge of libido like I hadn't since college.

This made me think back to what I'd read about men's complaints of side effects and complete loss of libido and sexual function. Once the aggression phase passed I got back to feeling "normal", but the increased drive remained. Sex got a lot more pleasurable and when Spring came I hit the bars with a focus I hadn't felt before even when first getting into game. After that I couldn't stomach the thought of getting on propecia again and swore it off.

With all that said, some men take propecia for years and feel just fine. Others have side effects that make mine look like a picnic. Several years ago research started coming out showing that the side effect rate of finasertide is way above 2%, and that unlike the company's claims the sides can be permanent. You can read a collection of the studies, stories of men with persistent side effects, and see their blood work at http://propeciahelp.com/ with studies at http://propeciahelp.com/studies-and-research.

I just checked for current news on Merck (the makers of Propecia), and apparently right now there are several colleges recruiting men for side effect studies. There are class action lawsuits in Canada and Israel against Merck for men suffering persistent side effects, and a handful of European nations require warning labels on Propecia for the risk of the same.

So, for me at least finasteride is poison, and I recommend against it...if you're seriously considering it or your doctor is pushing it, check some studies before taking it. You should also get preliminary blood work done, monitoring your testosterone, estrodial, prolactin, and some other hormones and see if they are affected by the drug. Some unlucky men end up with suppressed T and increased estrogen and prolactin, not a pretty picture.

LLLT: after dropping finasteride I went into denial about hair loss for a while. I kept using ketoconazole shampoo but otherwise said fuck it, and unfortunately the hair loss picked up again. I coasted for a year, then realized that if I wanted to avoid a future shaved head it was time to try something new.

My research took me into reading about low level laser therapy (LLLT) treatments for hair loss. Commercially you can go to laser hair studies, where they have what looks like those perm stations you see at hair salons but that use lasers to stimulate hair growth. They have a strong track record, however, they are crazy expensive...I've heard of annual contracts running $10K+, which is more than I'm good for.

I researched how to build your own, and stubbornly tried my first helmet do-it-yourself style and pretty much screwed it up--I used too weak of a power supply and thin of wires, and had a sloppy build anyway, so my follicles got much lower stimulation than they should have. I did notice some improvements to hair quality, but results were random and when I saw that my helmet was flickering from the poor wiring I ordered a helmet from a guy who specializes in them and tried again.

I just started using the new helmet 3 weeks ago, and it's too early to evaluate results. I can only vouch for it in as much as saying my research convinced me it could work, my early results from the screwed up helmet were promising, and I'm testing a proper build now. We'll see.

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With current medical technology, it is impossible to regrow the hair you have lost.

There are medications to prevent further hair loss, but you won't regrow the hair. You can only stop the process in its tracks.

Fun fact: I lied above, there is a proven hair loss treatment...just no one in his right mind will do it. Men with male pattern baldness who get castrated will indeed stop losing their hair, and even get some regrowth. But, that regrowth is limited...a half-bald castrated guy will regain a couple year's worth of hair and no more. One proposed reason is that just like acne scarring, male pattern baldness causes fibrosis of the scalp and other such things, such as in this study: http://www.ehrs.org/conferenceabstracts/...tinova.htm

The take away is that with your theoretically perfect hair loss treatment, you'll regrow at the most 30 months of hair loss. The odds of you stumbling on the perfect treatment are low, so I'd more realistically say you can get a year or two's regrowth if you hit all the right notes in treatment. I wouldn't even aim for that, though, as with current options your best bet is to prolong what you've got till a cure comes in.

Great post. I actually started buzzing my hair to a one weekly with some clippers after realizing that my bald spot was huge. At first I was pretty frustrated but now I embrace it. My uncle on my mom's side was bald by the time he was in his mid 20's, I'm probably not that far behind.

Like you, I took propecia for a while. I think it was helpful, but my body is really sensitive to any type of drug or medication. I didn't know about the side effects like that.

I do not think I'd be one of the first rounds of people to use the coming (if ever) baldness cure, especially if it was surgery driven. It reminds me of when people having Lasik surgery for vision started to see their vision diminish after 10 years.

I'm curious what type of results you'll have with the helmet. Sucks that the cure isn't coming anytime soon.

[metalhaze]

here is my take on baldness.
I cut my hair super short (i.e. military style) and I use Dermmatch and Nanogen...excellent result! stay away from the meds (i.e. propecia) it ll affect your libido/hormones.

[PizzaSult]

My hairs been thinning since early my early twenties. I used to be hung up about it, but in the end there's nothing you can do to reverse what's happening.

By entertaining these drugs, treatments and methods all you're doing is allowing your insecurity about hair loss to develop. That insecurity will be apparent to those you spend time with.

My advice to anyone who's losing their hair, accept who you are and what's happening to you. You'll feel much better as a result, and you won't waste your time and money on expensive treatment, or risk any of the side effects.

[Basil Ransom]

I take propecia, and have been for two or three years. When I'm sleeping and eating well, my libido is very high, as it's long been. It fluctuates for reasons beyond me, but generally it's higher than just about anyone I know. I'm in my 20s. You have to remember that many more of the guys who aren't experiencing negative effects from finasteride aren't hanging out around hair loss forums because they're just living life.

"By entertaining these drugs, treatments and methods all you're doing is allowing your insecurity about hair loss to develop. That insecurity will be apparent to those you spend time with.

My advice to anyone who's losing their hair, accept who you are and what's happening to you. You'll feel much better as a result, and you won't waste your time and money on expensive treatment, or risk any of the side effects."

That's like saying, 'by entertaining all these diets and restrictions, all you're doing is allowing your insecurity about being fat to develop. Instead, focus on accepting your fat self.'
Accept yourself all you like, but it won't change the fact that you're fat or bald. You can overcome being bald, but few exactly consider it an improvement over a full head of hair.

If the treatments don't suit you (too expensive, too much effort, you don't care enough to merit the risk), then by all means stop fighting it. The only person who can decide what's right is you. But misinformation doesn't help any.

Generic propecia by the way costs me about $2 a month.

[WanderingSoul]

(01-20-2014 11:29 AM)basilransom Wrote:  

I take propecia, and have been for two or three years. When I'm sleeping and eating well, my libido is very high, as it's long been. It fluctuates for reasons beyond me, but generally it's higher than just about anyone I know. I'm in my 20s.

"By entertaining these drugs, treatments and methods all you're doing is allowing your insecurity about hair loss to develop. That insecurity will be apparent to those you spend time with.

My advice to anyone who's losing their hair, accept who you are and what's happening to you. You'll feel much better as a result, and you won't waste your time and money on expensive treatment, or risk any of the side effects."

That's like saying, 'by entertaining all these diets and restrictions, all you're doing is allowing your insecurity about being fat to develop. Instead, focus on accepting your fat self.'
Accept yourself all you like, but it won't change the fact that you're fat or bald. You can overcome being bald, but few exactly consider it an improvement over a full head of hair.

The difference is you can go from shit to fit with some training and diet. What can you do about losing your hair? You cant grow a full head of hair once you start balding.

Don't accept being fat, because you can fix that. You can't fix balding though. You can possibly slow it down, but you can't stop it.

Here's the best cure for baldness:





Sure, a jacked dude with a full head of hair is going to get double bonus points, but a bald dude who is jacked still gets bonus points. Chicks dig a shaved head when you look like Vin, and not like Moby.

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I took propecia for a year and 4 months, stopped taking it around thanksgiving because; A) There was no hair improvement, B) I started growing mantitties (Gyno), C) Sex drive diminished greatly. Could get erections no problem but there wasn't as much pleasure

Since coming off propecia i've been having prostate problems too. I hope it resolves itself over the next month or so when my hormones balance out.

TL;DR: DON'T TAKE THIS FUCKING SHIT. I went on them because it said "If you experience side effects stop taking the medication and your problems will disappear". No risk, right? Well the FDA made a little correction halfway into my trials stating you may suffer these side effects permanently.

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I do not think I'd be one of the first rounds of people to use the coming (if ever) baldness cure, especially if it was surgery driven. It reminds me of when people having Lasik surgery for vision started to see their vision diminish after 10 years.

I'm curious what type of results you'll have with the helmet. Sucks that the cure isn't coming anytime soon.

Agreed on that...not worth the risk, so even if say hair cloning came out tomorrow it'd be a couple years till I considered it. And, I remember way back when I started taking propecia reading about how cloning was coming out by 2011, so I'm not holding my breath.

I'm cautiously optimistic about the helmet. I've read a number of people's experiences, and one that seems BS-free and promising is this one: http://www.worldhairloss.org/index.html/f...hread/913/

That guy has been doing an annual update for 4 years now, and his results seem realistic from what I know of the process. Anyway, when I've got 6 months experience with it I'll post how it's been working. I'll try to get some pics together as well.

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By entertaining these drugs, treatments and methods all you're doing is allowing your insecurity about hair loss to develop. That insecurity will be apparent to those you spend time with.

My advice to anyone who's losing their hair, accept who you are and what's happening to you. You'll feel much better as a result, and you won't waste your time and money on expensive treatment, or risk any of the side effects.

It depends on where you are with it. If you've got an obvious bald spot and are combing over, it's time to shave. If your hair still looks good and you can stop the process, I say fight it.

My hair's still an asset, so if I can save it I will. If LLLT doesn't pan out and it progresses to bald spot territory, then I'll break out the clippers.

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I take propecia, and have been for two or three years. When I'm sleeping and eating well, my libido is very high, as it's long been. It fluctuates for reasons beyond me, but generally it's higher than just about anyone I know. I'm in my 20s. You have to remember that many more of the guys who aren't experiencing negative effects from finasteride aren't hanging out around hair loss forums because they're just living life.

I believe it, that's part of why hair loss is so frustrating to research...many people who get great results from a treatment stop thinking about hair, don't talk about it and just go on with their lives as you say. You end up with forums filled with the hapless guys who didn't respond to treatment, and it's hard to sift out the exceptions from the norm.

It's good propecia works for you and many others, just unfortunate the side effects are as bad as they are for those affected.

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