[Basil Ransom]

(01-20-2014 11:46 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

The difference is you can go from shit to fit with some training and diet. What can you do about losing your hair? You cant grow a full head of hair once you start balding.

I agree. It only makes sense if you still have your hair, and catch the hair loss very early. I did, more or less. Or if you're willing to shell out for hair restoration surgery.

(01-20-2014 12:42 PM)CPG Wrote:  

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I take propecia, and have been for two or three years. When I'm sleeping and eating well, my libido is very high, as it's long been. It fluctuates for reasons beyond me, but generally it's higher than just about anyone I know. I'm in my 20s. You have to remember that many more of the guys who aren't experiencing negative effects from finasteride aren't hanging out around hair loss forums because they're just living life.

I believe it, that's part of why hair loss is so frustrating to research...many people who get great results from a treatment stop thinking about hair, don't talk about it and just go on with their lives as you say. You end up with forums filled with the hapless guys who didn't respond to treatment, and it's hard to sift out the exceptions from the norm.

It's good propecia works for you and many others, just unfortunate the side effects are as bad as they are for those affected.

IMO, practicing doctors are better authorities because they see hundreds of cases, while men complaining on the internet only know their own situation. These doctors probably don't have much financial conflict of interest, i.e. getting paid to say something is good when it isn't, because a finasteride prescription is dirt cheap. Branded propecia is not, but most doctors would prescribe you the generic 5 mg if you asked, I'm sure.

I have to say, it is rather odd that there is so much criticism of finasteride on the one hand, while the doctor I linked, based on both presumably his personal experience with his patients and published studies, that it's almost a non-issue. That's a pretty huge chasm. Maybe the doc is only looking for erectile dysfunction and the real symptoms are different. Or patients who experience negative side effects never inform their doctors? Possible, but sounds unlikely, especially considering how vocal they are on internet forums.

Even for those for whom finasteride works, it's only a delay. I'm aware of that. Still, an extra five or ten years with a full head of hair is nice, and also gives you more time to get jacked like RioNomad suggested to compensate. I'm sure when I do shave it all off, I'll make the extra effort to have everything else on point - style, body, skin, etc.

Also, the average guy has a shitty diet and lifestyle that leads to low testosterone, high body fat, and sub-maximal libido. Could a man get adverse side effects from finasteride because he has a shitty diet, but not if he has a great diet? It's plausible. Could a man prevent or reduce the bad side effects of finasteride if his health was otherwise optimized? Also plausible.

[WanderingSoul]

I'm also not so worried as a lot of guys about hair loss because I look great with a shaved head. Been doing it since 17. My head shape and look is similar to GSP, so it's a natural fit for me. My cousin is balding and looks like shit with his giant square head.

A top hair transplant doctor actually is located a few miles away from me here in Bkk. US trained, tons of awards, and guys on the hairloss forums fly all the way here to get transplants done at a third of the price as back home.

However, I wouldnt really be able to buzz my head anymore if I did that, so I doubt I will.

[CPG]

(01-20-2014 12:22 PM)Collide Wrote:  

I took propecia for a year and 4 months, stopped taking it around thanksgiving because; A) There was no hair improvement, B) I started growing mantitties (Gyno), C) Sex drive diminished greatly. Could get erections no problem but there wasn't as much pleasure

Since coming off propecia i've been having prostate problems too. I hope it resolves itself over the next month or so when my hormones balance out.

TL;DR: DON'T TAKE THIS FUCKING SHIT. I went on them because it said "If you experience side effects stop taking the medication and your problems will disappear". No risk, right? Well the FDA made a little correction halfway into my trials stating you may suffer these side effects permanently.

Hmm, if you stopped a month and a half ago and are still experiencing symptoms, it's probably time to start doing something about it...IIRC it should take 2 to 4 weeks for your system to normalize after dropping finasteride. If you haven't already, you should check out what you can find about "post finasteride syndrome". If you are affected, there are some protocols to try, though as far as I'm aware they haven't found a definitive treatment.

You can find a number of logs of guys who've corrected themselves over time at propecia help, including from gyno. I remember reading one story of a man treating it like a bodybuilder would after a long steroid cycle shutdown T production: running a standard post cycle recovery stack with anti-estrogens and others. Others seems to basically do heavy lifting + clean living + supplements of questionable validity. Might be worth researching, if I were in your shoes I'd be getting blood work from a doctor and then laying out my options.

(01-20-2014 01:12 PM)basilransom Wrote:  

(01-20-2014 11:46 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

The difference is you can go from shit to fit with some training and diet. What can you do about losing your hair? You cant grow a full head of hair once you start balding.

I agree. It only makes sense if you still have your hair, and catch the hair loss very early. I did, more or less. Or if you're willing to shell out for hair restoration surgery.

(01-20-2014 12:42 PM)CPG Wrote:  

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I take propecia, and have been for two or three years. When I'm sleeping and eating well, my libido is very high, as it's long been. It fluctuates for reasons beyond me, but generally it's higher than just about anyone I know. I'm in my 20s. You have to remember that many more of the guys who aren't experiencing negative effects from finasteride aren't hanging out around hair loss forums because they're just living life.

I believe it, that's part of why hair loss is so frustrating to research...many people who get great results from a treatment stop thinking about hair, don't talk about it and just go on with their lives as you say. You end up with forums filled with the hapless guys who didn't respond to treatment, and it's hard to sift out the exceptions from the norm.

It's good propecia works for you and many others, just unfortunate the side effects are as bad as they are for those affected.

IMO, practicing doctors are better authorities because they see hundreds of cases, while men complaining on the internet only know their own situation. These doctors probably don't have much financial conflict of interest, i.e. getting paid to say something is good when it isn't, because a finasteride prescription is dirt cheap. Branded propecia is not, but most doctors would prescribe you the generic 5 mg if you asked, I'm sure.

I have to say, it is rather odd that there is so much criticism of finasteride on the one hand, while the doctor I linked, based on both presumably his personal experience with his patients and published studies, that it's almost a non-issue. That's a pretty huge chasm. Maybe the doc is only looking for erectile dysfunction and the real symptoms are different. Or patients who experience negative side effects never inform their doctors? Possible, but sounds unlikely, especially considering how vocal they are on internet forums.

Even for those for whom finasteride works, it's only a delay. I'm aware of that. Still, an extra five or ten years with a full head of hair is nice, and also gives you more time to get jacked like RioNomad suggested to compensate. I'm sure when I do shave it all off, I'll make the extra effort to have everything else on point - style, body, skin, etc.

Also, the average guy has a shitty diet and lifestyle that leads to low testosterone, high body fat, and sub-maximal libido. Could a man get adverse side effects from finasteride because he has a shitty diet, but not if he has a great diet? It's plausible. Could a man prevent or reduce the bad side effects of finasteride if his health was otherwise optimized? Also plausible.

We agree on most of this, we're just reaching different conclusions. For sure, the terrible American lifestyle suppresses T and has pro-estrogen qualities to begin with, and it'll worsen any drug-induced imbalance that might go unnoticed in a healthy fit man. It's no coincidence that a number of men beat PFS by basically getting in shape. Also good point on these treatments just being a delay of the inevitable anyway...that's my whole attitude on hair loss, I want to keep my hair at least through my 30's and fingers crossed there will be a better solution by the time I need it.

Agreed on the lack of financial incentive for doctors as well...when I was on propecia it was still under patent so I was shelling out for the Merck official cut, but with it gone generic that's no longer a concern.

The doctor with 100s of patients vs random guys on the Internet situation is definitely a credibility problem. If I hadn't experienced side effects first hand I'd be far more skeptical than I am. I checked out the balding blog post you linked to on the "15% side effects" study being unreliable, and I see the author's point. At the same time, I found a neuroendocrinologist's blog getting in to the mechanisms of it when PFS was just being identified at http://blog.alanjacobsmd.com/alan-jacobs...n-men.html with some other posts of his approach to treating it in patients. Who to trust?

Part of the issue is just how new this is as an official medical condition. I did some searching, and the earliest mention I found of even the name "post finasteride syndome" used informally is in 2010, and it wasn't until checking out 2013 news stories that I found PFS being used formally. There simply isn't enough research and studies out there to point to finasteride and say that it's definitely dangerous or that is only affects a very small group adversely, so we're still in the land of hearsay.

With the various studies and legal actions underway I expect to have a better answer in a few years. In the meantime, I think there's enough evidence of risks that a man trying finasteride should first research and make as informed of a decision as he can. I lean towards saying stay away as the sides are quite bad for at least a handful of men out there, but I absolutely understand the temptation to take it by the majority of men who it'd help.

With all that said, it sounds like you're fine to keep right on using it. A good friend of mine went on it a year and a half ago and I've occasionally asked if he's noticed any symptoms, and he seems completely normal on it too. Hell, if I hadn't noticed side effects I'd still be on it. It's the chance of persistent and serious sides after stopping that concerns me.

(01-20-2014 09:51 PM)RioNomad Wrote:  

I'm also not so worried as a lot of guys about hair loss because I look great with a shaved head. Been doing it since 17. My head shape and look is similar to GSP, so it's a natural fit for me. My cousin is balding and looks like shit with his giant square head.

A top hair transplant doctor actually is located a few miles away from me here in Bkk. US trained, tons of awards, and guys on the hairloss forums fly all the way here to get transplants done at a third of the price as back home.

However, I wouldnt really be able to buzz my head anymore if I did that, so I doubt I will.

With rocking the GSP look, you're good to go...I wouldn't look back! It's the guys like your cousin that really suffer, though even then I bet there's something that can be done with the right leanness of face and facial hair to balance it out.

[LEONMAL]

PLEASE...stop driving yourselves nuts and go read the MALINIAK METHOD already at;

http://www.BORNAGAINHAIR.COM

It must be obvious to all of you by now that these other "conventional" therapies have all proven to be a waste of time otherwise we would have solved HAIR LOSS and MPB by now. These OLD ideas all work a bit but they have failed to provide really significant results to a large number of people because they do not target and address the TRUE "underlying"cause of the problem. THAT IS WHY WE HAVE FAILED TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM TILL NOW.

The MALINIAK METHOD is FINALLY a complete explanation of the whole hair loss syndrome and a whole radical NEW theory about the true MAIN cause of hair loss and how to counter-act it using NO DRUGS, NO LOTIONS and NO SURGERY.

It was brought to my attention that one of your own members here, who I do not even know, posting on this forum, which I had never heard of, had discovered my method and tried it himself and reported his success to the other members here.

The same thing happened on some of the world's biggest forums on hair loss and MPB and there are now numerous "unsolicited" testimonials all over the Internet about peoples' success with this method.

We are just a small start up company and we do not have the means to spread the word about this with large advertising campaigns so we have to rely on the exchanges on these forums...so please help us to spread the word AND at the same time you solve your hair problem...YOU WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED.

[Tiguere]

For a receding hairline, was considering this plan of action after looking all over RVF:

Regenepure NT Shampoo

LipoGaine

Collegen / Biotin

Is this a decent starting point? As well, do I need to get the Regenepure DR w/ the NT? And LipoGaine can be used while using Regenepure correct?

Thanks.

[soup]

(01-20-2014 09:51 PM)RioNomad Wrote:  

I'm also not so worried as a lot of guys about hair loss because I look great with a shaved head. Been doing it since 17. My head shape and look is similar to GSP, so it's a natural fit for me. My cousin is balding and looks like shit with his giant square head.

A top hair transplant doctor actually is located a few miles away from me here in Bkk. US trained, tons of awards, and guys on the hairloss forums fly all the way here to get transplants done at a third of the price as back home.

However, I wouldnt really be able to buzz my head anymore if I did that, so I doubt I will.

Rio, is that you in the avatar pic?

[soup]

(02-09-2014 03:46 PM)LEONMAL Wrote:  

PLEASE...stop driving yourselves nuts and go read the MALINIAK METHOD already at;

http://www.BORNAGAINHAIR.COM

It must be obvious to all of you by now that these other "conventional" therapies have all proven to be a waste of time otherwise we would have solved HAIR LOSS and MPB by now. These OLD ideas all work a bit but they have failed to provide really significant results to a large number of people because they do not target and address the TRUE "underlying"cause of the problem. THAT IS WHY WE HAVE FAILED TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM TILL NOW.

The MALINIAK METHOD is FINALLY a complete explanation of the whole hair loss syndrome and a whole radical NEW theory about the true MAIN cause of hair loss and how to counter-act it using NO DRUGS, NO LOTIONS and NO SURGERY.

It was brought to my attention that one of your own members here, who I do not even know, posting on this forum, which I had never heard of, had discovered my method and tried it himself and reported his success to the other members here.

The same thing happened on some of the world's biggest forums on hair loss and MPB and there are now numerous "unsolicited" testimonials all over the Internet about peoples' success with this method.

We are just a small start up company and we do not have the means to spread the word about this with large advertising campaigns so we have to rely on the exchanges on these forums...so please help us to spread the word AND at the same time you solve your hair problem...YOU WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED.

Man, this sounds too good to be true.

I really hope you aren't spamming us though. Which member referred you to our forum? Maybe he can chime in.

You've only posted two things on the forum and they are both about your product (which you don't even show on your website).

Most of the other members on here who want to sell stuff to us have hung around and posted on other topics and gained our trust.

You haven't done shit in this sense.

Please provide more evidence that what you are peddling is real..

Win us over like 110% or I'm going to report you to the mods.

[WanderingSoul]

(02-23-2014 09:28 PM)soup Wrote:  

(01-20-2014 09:51 PM)RioNomad Wrote:  

I'm also not so worried as a lot of guys about hair loss because I look great with a shaved head. Been doing it since 17. My head shape and look is similar to GSP, so it's a natural fit for me. My cousin is balding and looks like shit with his giant square head.

A top hair transplant doctor actually is located a few miles away from me here in Bkk. US trained, tons of awards, and guys on the hairloss forums fly all the way here to get transplants done at a third of the price as back home.

However, I wouldnt really be able to buzz my head anymore if I did that, so I doubt I will.

Rio, is that you in the avatar pic?

Soup, Soup, Soup. You damn hipster lol. That's Georges St. Pierre, recently retired UFC welterweight champion. I look somewhat similar, but we wouldn't be mistaken for twins or anything.

[CPG]

(02-23-2014 09:08 PM)MasculineProfiles Wrote:  

For a receding hairline, was considering this plan of action after looking all over RVF:

Regenepure NT Shampoo

LipoGaine

Collegen / Biotin

Is this a decent starting point? As well, do I need to get the Regenepure DR w/ the NT? And LipoGaine can be used while using Regenepure correct?

Thanks.

That's a good starting routine, and you can definitely mix keto shampoo and minoxidil. A few quick notes...
Regenepure: my understanding is that you want the DR blend as your go-to, not the NT, so I'd get DR first and only NT if you'll be using it more than 3x a week. The NT is more of a hybrid cosmetic plus treatment one compared to the DR. Check out the company's recommended schedule at http://www.regenepure.com/regenepure-nt-...ent.html/, they favor the DR as well.

Either way, definitely start using keto shampoo and both Regenepure and Revita are worth trying (I'd stay away from Nizoral, way too harsh...I've gotten the same benefits out of the other two with much more comfort)

Lipogaine: last I checked it's the best of the off-the-shelf minoxidil mix. When I used minox in the past I combined the generic with some add-in components, and lipogaine is basically the same thing just pre-mixed for you. I've heard good about this brand specifically and have nothing against minox, go for it.

Collagen / biotin: my experience here is limited. Thanks to an RVF thread I started using amino collagens a while back and they definitely make a difference in my skin, but I haven't been able to tell if the collagen makes a difference for hair as well. I now consider collagen worth taking regardless of hair so you won't go astray.

[Stun]

I have an unopened (sealed) bottle of Lipogaine bought directly from the manufacturer, expires 7/31/2014. I will sell it for less than what it is on Amazon.

Please PM me if you are interested.

[shreyas24]

(08-15-2013 06:48 PM)rudder Wrote:  

I refuse to believe that with all the scientific advancement of the past few decades that we have not figured out how to cure baldness.

The shampoos and all those things don't work.

I figured someone on the roosh forum would know the answer.

What really works? I have a receding hairline, and it seems like it has really been picking up the pace these past few months. I want the hair to start growing back again.

The only way is Hair Transplantation rather this don't have any method or tip also. So think once it.

[Orion]

I researched almost any medication for baldness over there, and every each one is poisonous crap.

Use a hair clipper. That's what i will do once i start losing hair.

[ddjembe mutombo]

I just don't understand guys' persistent fear of balding? My first year of receding was tough, but now I just don't care. Yeah, every one has a different dome. Mine mostly resemble Kevin Durant's dome (slope down with a ridge in the middle). It's not the prettiest dome, but I find cuts that make it work. Right now I do a 1 & 2 clipper up the sides and back, and I snip just over the fingers on the top. When I start getting the sun roof in the back I will just go down to a one clipper all around. The more time you waste worrying about your baldness, the more time you spend being not confident around people. If you are using shampoos, drugs, or other treatments, you are just prolonging the mental pain cycle. Just accept your fate, find what works, and move on to more pressing issues.

[Fighting888]

Nioxin is very effective. Check it out guys.

[civpro]

There is no comprehensive cure, only aggressive half-way solutions:

Finasteride
Topical Concealers
Hair Transplant
Toupee

Or you accept your genetics, shave it, wear a hat, etc.

[The Reactionary Tree]

One interesting product you could try (it is not a cure, merely a bandaid) is Toppik Hair Fibers:Toppik

Here is a demo of them:

After you apply them, just spray on some hairspray to keep them in place.

[Heathree]

How did Wayne Rooney solve his hair loss situation? He had lost a lot of hair but now looks like he has lost nothing.

(08-16-2013 08:23 AM)Thomas the Rhymer Wrote:  

With current medical technology, it is impossible to regrow the hair you have lost.

There are medications to prevent further hair loss, but you won't regrow the hair. You can only stop the process in its tracks.

[Fred970]

Rooney solved his situation by having two FUE hair transplants and then adding some concealers like in the video posted by objectivist tree.

[WanderingSoul]

This is the only cure there is, and it's a damn good one.

[Fred970]

That or a hair transplant and medication for people who live in the real world, like I did: http://www.hairlosstalk.com/interact/sho...5-from-DPA

Some people will never be able to gain that much muscle mass, and what's the point of becoming a huge orange meathead stereotype anyway?

Overcompensation won't work when you're bald. You'll still be the bald guy, and women who hate bald men (the vast majority of them) will still reject you.

Showing pictures of roid-up celebrities like Jason Statham and Vin Diesel will not make any young bald man feel better about himself, quite the contrary. Are you bald RioNomad?

[WanderingSoul]

(08-11-2014 07:02 AM)Fred970 Wrote:  

That or a hair transplant and medication for people who live in the real world, like I did: http://www.hairlosstalk.com/interact/sho...5-from-DPA

Some people will never be able to gain that much muscle mass, and what's the point of becoming a huge orange meathead stereotype anyway?

Overcompensation won't work when you're bald. You'll still be the bald guy, and women who hate bald men (the vast majority of them) will still reject you.

Showing pictures of roid-up celebrities like Jason Statham and Vin Diesel will not make any young bald man feel better about himself, quite the contrary. Are you bald RioNomad?

Lol. It's apparent that you get no pussy and don't lift.

Shaved head, not bald. I will be eventually though. Girls love a guy with muscles and a shaved/bald head.

EDIT: I just saw your photos. You look like Moby. Your hair isn't going to help you get laid. You have low confidence and no muscle mass. Why would a girl be attracted to you? You're obviously insecure about your body as well, judging by your steroid comments.

I've said it on here a dozen times, be Vin Diesel, not Moby. Right now, you're Moby, and nobody wants to fuck Moby.

[Fred970]

I had 3 girls on rotation not so long ago. Now I have my main girlfriend and some girls on and off on the side. And at least I don't waste any of my time "lifting bro". And you think Statham and Diesel are natural bodybuilders of course. Yeah right.

I didn't expect that kind of rudeness from a guy with such a high reputation on this forum.

Girls hate bald men and there is no way around that fact, but you'll learn that only when you'll be bald yourself. Being shaved is nowhere like being bald.

Who said I got no pussy? You guys who spent countless hours in the gym compensating for your flaws (let me guess, short? ugly? soon to be bald?) don't want to admit that all that matters to women in the looks department is height, face and hair of course. Just look around you, don't you see the countless hot girls going out with tall Bieber-type shrimps?

You'd better swallow more steroid and lift some more if you want to compensate for all the flaws you'll be accumulating soon. You'll have to make your male hamster work hard then.

Overcompensation through becoming a gym rat only makes you look even more insecure to women. All the girls I've been with love to tell me how much they hate guys with big muscles.

I'm not insecure about my body, I've accepted I was skinny, what is wrong with that anyway? I already have an higher notch count than the average guy at the age of 24, and this was all while being bald on top of skinny at an age when virtually no man is.

So yeah, I started losing my hair aggressively at 17 and I've always been skinny. Yet I bet I pull way more girls than you and your roid-up muscles. You mad bro? (That's how you muscle-heads like to talk right?) Go lift some weights in front of a mirror and become all red to calm you down.

PS: You react just like a woman, I was speaking of the meathead stereotype and you assumed I was attacking you personally. Pathetic.

Some guys on this forum have a lot of progress to make. I bet some of the posters who seem to be the most bad-ass and well-informed are the most insecure in real life and may even be virgins.

[WanderingSoul]

[Fred970]

I live in Belgium, where it rains 80% of the year. I wouldn't even be able to show off my big muscles.

On the other way, everyone sees my baldness and people never hesitate to mock it.

But you're right, I should have just compromised my health and gotten big instead of fixing my main physical problem directly with a hair transplant.

[WanderingSoul]

To give you some helpful advice, people are not mocking you because you are bald. They are mocking you because they do not respect you.