[JWLZG]

(08-08-2014 05:48 AM)Arturo Belano Wrote:  

(08-08-2014 04:45 AM)Rush87 Wrote:  

(08-08-2014 12:01 AM)Deluge Wrote:  

Interesting, 2004 was a still few years before social media.

I think my era [1980-90] went through a very unique transition. We were in that 18-25 bracket pre & post the social media boom.

I couldn't explain the exact reason why, but that shift definitely changed the dating market. I wouldn't pick on internet dating because [For mind] even as recent as 2010, internet dating was 'For losers'. Perhaps the sudden surplus in options…

Back then I was the opposite of game. I'd ask terrible questions like 'Do you come here often' - I'd buy a girl drinks, I'd give out frequent compliments & I was hooking up with an 8+ on a weekly basis. It's funny how times change.

I was born in 89, so I'm about the same age as you. I had a girlfriend for a few years just as social media was really becoming popular, or at least facebook, and I didn't do much gaming before then so I missed the transitional phase as you're describing it. If the 'social media is making it harder for players' theory is true then it should be getting progressively harder every year for guys in the game though, and I'm just not seeing it.

I'm friends with girls who use shit like tinder and instagram and yeah it divides their attention, but I know 100% they still prefer a guy coming up to them and talking to them in real life. In fact I know a few girls who were on tinder, but they deleted it for whatever reason. It's kinda like what Krauser says about how it seems that hot girls are getting spammed by so much attention that they must be getting dicked three times a day, but actually hardly any of those guys would meet her attraction threshold, so she isn't fucking any of them. http://krauserpua.com/2014/06/16/the-sup...rsal-girl/

I'm in between in age and can also attest to our age group experiencing an evolution brought by the impact on social media. Anyone below my brother's age (2 years younger), would've lived under the social media age from adulthood. That people actually had to talk to others outside their immediate social circles at 21sts, as late as 2009, instead of fiddling with their iPhones, is fast becoming a distant memory. In some ways, I think those years would've been ideal for learning game.

I think there's a two-pronged issue RE the idea of social media confounding game. The thing about it sucking in girls' attention is well-established, there's also the thing about it being used as a game-aid. I saw people whipping out smartphones during approaches around 2010. Because I had no need for them and indeed didn't have one until 2012, I remember thinking, "this is going to make things so much harder".
I think that aspect is pretty much negligible, looking back.

Contrary to what you said, online dating definitely took a turn thanks to social media. It became far more mainstream. You're right about how, pre-2010, no-one with a social circle to speak of would've dared to admit to, let alone needed, online dating. It was around 2012 that I noticed even 7s and 8s talking in favour of, not to mention admitting to using, Blendr, OKCupid, etc. "It's not for desperadoes", was how a classmate (8/10 WB) put it.

It's hard give an absolute judgement on how much sex Tinder actually provides vs. as an attention whoring medium. My Perth friend claims to get laid a lot off it, and my jaw dropped scrolling through her mile-long match list, but I can't say that's any blanket indication.

Rush, It's interesting how you mention your game success turned out to be inversely proportional to your experience at it. Maybe, age, shyness etc aside, people were less detached due to the absence of smartphones?

(08-08-2014 06:12 AM)Rush87 Wrote:  

(08-08-2014 05:48 AM)Arturo Belano Wrote:  

Also, I don't think Australian guys are that thirsty, at least not in the same sense I hear about on here. I recently asked every girl I know if they ever got catcalled or 'street harrassed' and they all said no; plus no Aussie guy I know would be caught dead posting thirsty shit on facebook or instagram, it's just embarrassing. Maybe that stems the validation tide slightly?

Are you sure you didn't just have really good venue knowledge back when you were killing it? That definitely makes a difference. I know some venues in Melbourne that used to be mini poosy paradises on some nights (Worker's Club in Fitzroy on a Monday springs to mind), but now they're played out and you have to find the new cool place where young chicks like to congregate. It also helps if you're in a social circle that throws a lot of house parties.

I think the only time you'll see 'thirsty Aussies' is at night clubs/bars. I've never met an Aussie who uses Facebook or Online dating for pick-up [Though I'm sure some exist]. In fact I only really heard about Tinder last year.

I've never been to Melbourne; perhaps it has a different vibe down there.

Regarding the venues; I never really had a local 'Go To' venue. It was more a case of 'try somewhere new' each weekend.

I'm probably the opposite of a lot of guys on here in the respect that I didn't get into game due to 'a lack of girls' when I was younger. More so it was a response to the ability to pick-up suddenly becoming immensely harder (And perhaps this hit other cities a lot earlier than Sydney).

After exclusively picking up girls around the 8 range; that same ease of pick-up only began to work on 5's & 6's. It's really only been the last few years where I've got back to that same constant quality [And it requires a hell of a lot more game than the 5 minutes of compliments that worked in my teens].

I think Aussie guys have sort of honour, or face, in our dating culture is that we implicitly frown on "non-game domain" catcalling/orbiting/white-knighting. I think we're pretty ruthless on our guys on that note. I still notice and hear of girls having their arses grabbed or groped in some way at clubs, which underscores my point about how guys are more location-specific about it all.

I've written before: Melbourne's venues tend to be location segregated by subculture; though it converges into a melting pot in the CBD. Chances are you'll do OK if you establish a particular stomping ground, although like yourself, I flitted about here and there myself.

I think you're much more likely to kill it as house parties these days. Ratios there are still really generous.

[hedonist]

(08-07-2014 08:44 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

How did australia become such a cesspool?

I dunno but triple J sure had a hand in it ...if there is one thing that dumbs down the masses there its that radio station

[Hazaer]

Going back to the title of the thread I have observed aussie and american girls in college and though they are similar to a large extent, they are small differences. I find that some american chicks hold a sense of superiority or indifference to guys and are more easy to dismiss them. I think it's more difficult to break into their circle circle somehow. However, stereotype that Aussie girls are louder seem to be true.

Appearance wise, Aussie girls are into piling up too much make up compared to the Americans. It also looks like the Americans act/pretend to be more prudish than the aussies in general. As for game, aggressive/cocky game seems to be the best way for both groups.

[CynicalContrarian]

Another agreement here about the inherent insecurity of Australian girls.
Doesn't mean they're not brash.
Doesn't mean the won't drink like a fish.
Yet, there's still this underlying immaturity / insecurity to Aus. girls.

Quite tiresome for an intellectual, stoic, deep-thinker like myself.

"Clown game" it is I suppose...

[Sebastian]

Aussies are wealthier than Americans. I wonder how this affects the game? (American guys chasing Aussie girls)
(Here, when guys talk about women from this country are nice & easy, they are all poor countries. Never heard of guys talking about Italian girls, Spanish girls, Swedish girls etc in such ways)

Sure, their average wage is higher but they all follow american singers & movies and have a fantasy about california dream.
I think it will even out at the end?

[CynicalContrarian]

I think it's also easier to "overgame" Australian chicks due to their inherent insecurities.

[Suits]

My thoughts on gaming Australian Girls vs Americans:

Avoid both.

I find them even more insufferable than Canadian women.

I've never met an Australian woman who wasn't a huge cunt.

[elRey]

(07-29-2013 10:57 AM)Que enspastic Wrote:  

on the difficulty level, i don't believe it's THAT hard once aussie girls leave their social circles for overseas... IMO any girl without her social circle automatically becomes easier to pick up x 10.

HOWEVER, this is what i have to report for tonight for those that come here to play the game on australian soil, best of luck:

1. danish guy says he "doesn't know if he can get laid in melbourne." good looking, normal, bangs one per month back home (decent for someone unaware of game). i ask why. he says, "both the guys and girls are much more aggressive here in melbourne, girls brush you off instantly, maybe that's why guys are more aggressive." he tells me the competition in denmark is low and any guy that approaches will get laid very frequently as he will be a huge outlier.

2. american guy says he struggles here. gets shut down instantly, doesn't know why girls don't give him at least a few seconds to say hello. says it's much easier back home in LA. girls will at least acknowledge you or give you a smile.

3. american girl says aussie guys would get laid on accent alone in the states. claims american girls prefer australian men.

4. alexander from RSD claims 250 lay count, which would be top 0.001% worldwide, claims he is the most well travelled instructor from company. can't get laid here. i've seen him in action myself, looks out of his league. makes a youtube video whinging about melbourne being the hardest place he's ever been to for pickup. looks don't matter but apparently being in melbourne does.

5. english girl says guys are better looking here, thinks the girls are the same as back home. said she feels lucky, better quality of men.

6. melbourne guys who are into pickup. travel to thailand, results improve x 10, travel to las vegas, results improve x 5. no exaggeration. quality and quanity goes up, same guy. overseas lays are not considered equivalent to domestic lays. anyone bragging about getting laid at a higher rate with hotter girls overseas is not taken seriously as it is seen as standard/much softer. never met any big league players coming to melbourne who find it easier to pick up here than where they're from.

7. guys here rate scandinavians and americans as easiest, followed by asians. latinas easy to create attraction with but more LMR, white girls hardest to attract but less LMR, wogs probably same as white girls, no/very few black girls.

8. guys here rate the average white girl lower in quality than the average asian/latina/euro/american girl. thus a hot white australian girl is considered top notch as there are comparatively fewer of them vs. other nationalities/ethnicities. aussie hot white girl will have a stronger social circle, more choice, higher value than almost every guy who is trying to pick her up via cold approach.

9. online game here basically doesn't exist the only girls who use it are fatties and trolls. melbourne guys who use dating apps/websites designed for overseas cities report much higher uptake from hot girls, more normal, perceived as less competitive, more culturally acceptable to meet a guy from internet than it is here, at least for girls who are 6+ in quality.

there's a strong perception that guys from melbourne who can already get laid from cold approach pickup will rack up huge numbers overseas. there is a similar perception that guys who come from overseas will do worse in melbourne than where they are from unless they are spanish/french/italian/(maybe black american too). everyone else is fucked.

This is 100% spot on. Every part. Fuck.

[Green-On-GO]

Melbourne does sharpen one's skills.I notice on the PUA side of things guys pick up non Melbourne chicks more here

I'm chipping away though but no way do I have to work as hard in the US or Europe ,no way.What I can do there far out does the quality here.
I get alot of married or taken women here up for it.Open cuckoldery at times .It's amazing and really fucked with my mind this year.

I got told there is a man drought in Melbourne by some chick with her own podcast..Lol she wants to interview me now due to my redpill views.Bullshit I told her Melbourne birds have it easy and fuck way out of their league also no one goes out anymore they are to busy hiding on Tinder .Or if they do chicks are performing for photos on Instagram not present in the club or bar.I've seen "Instamodels" breakdown in the club cause they are not living in the present I guess.

If there is just one Aussie rules player in a pub in Melbourne every single bird will shut up shop.Guys in the know walk out.
It is a womans town but if you are a bitch beta Theon Greyjoy type you have no hope.
Its not clown game.Guys that can fight have always done well here.It's the defining attribute of every natural I know.
Sydney guys think Melbourne is easier whereas I love Sydney, Brisbane and now the Gold coast.Dudes up there pay so much attention to their body they forget to spike emotions ,game etc.A Melbourne dude can shine in those places game and style wise.

American chicks in general I love to death.I do better here with yank birds because of game.I still think something resonates with them and me....sub comms.

The mistake Aussie dudes make is to think they just need accent in the US.Whereas they still need game.
I do out of my league with yank birds.I feel more natural with them but it's my sub comms.The fatter ones actually don't like me whereas the thinner hotter ones are very good to me..The US is my pussy paradise.Big call but its a big country and I go where I resonate.
I get the same with English girls and Danish/Swedish.

Another thing I've noticed is that Aussie girls have lost the ability to flirt or game compared to Aussie women in the 90s and 2000s.They seem lost to me sometimes.They were fitter and didn't wear as much make up then .Chicks near the beach here are fit though.

American girls that I've met have game.I can say I like Trump to a Yank chick even though she does not and get the lay.Breaking rapport with Yank birds plays out so well for me.
With an Aussie girl they lose their shit.The fem-nazi propaganda runs deep here.But the more I develope the more I get chicks saying they don't like that shit.
They like Tradesmen because its seen as more masculine.Suit wearers are not so popluar in fact some Melbourne clubs won't let "suits" in.I never wear suits.

I'm screening now to see if Melbourne girls have game can flirt and are feminine if not I next.They come around when they see me pull their friends hair.

Also in the US Yank dudes try to Amog but back off if you have come backs.
Aussie dudes however White Knight more and cockblock.I think Yanks respect success more where as Aussies will go out of their way to cut you down.

Since I developed my sub comms as per Yareally and WIA ,shit has got easier.Also operating on that sub comms frequency that chicks use has been major.

Online game here does exsist for the top 10% in looks males.I never seen a dude here do better than himself in looks from Tinder.. never.

[Prof. Ligate]

^ Spot on. PUA community in Melbourne is massive for a reason. I think you can throw it into the mix with San Francisco and Toronto as one of the hardest city for men to fuck a 7/10+ local chick

Brisbane and Sydney have always been better for me personally for girls in Australia (lived in both). As for Aussie girls, if you've got a fun vibe the 18-21 range is extremely easy. Young Aussie girls put out a lot in 2016

[Leonard D Neubache]

Old thread, but holy shit.

If I were back on the market the first thing I'd do is get the hell out of Australia entirely. I shit you not. If my wife handed me divorce papers I would have my passport application in on the same day.

And not just because it's a women's market to be picky at. Australian women are not only fickle bitches, they're fucking lazy in bed. Lazy everywhere else, too. They're Australian in that regard, but the men have no choice but to lift their game.

The fucking women here? Starfish. Literally AND metaphorically.

[Sombro]

Quote:

Aussie dudes however White Knight more and cockblock.I think Yanks respect success more where as Aussies will go out of their way to cut you down.

Crab bucket / tall poppy syndrome is a blue pill mindset that continues to neuter otherwise productive societies.

[RatInTheWoods]

(12-16-2016 03:52 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

Old thread, but holy shit.

If I were back on the market the first thing I'd do is get the hell out of Australia entirely. I shit you not. If my wife handed me divorce papers I would have my passport application in on the same day.

And not just because it's a women's market to be picky at. Australian women are not only fickle bitches, they're fucking lazy in bed. Lazy everywhere else, too. They're Australian in that regard, but the men have no choice but to lift their game.

The fucking women here? Starfish. Literally AND metaphorically.

Gaming Aussie chicks? Why bother.

Fat, masculine, aggressive, entitled, whiney starfish gold diggers.

Oz is a cock paradise, with loads of tall, juiced up approaching men. This has made the women require no effort, and they definitely put in no effort.

South East Asia is a short flight away....

My first Russian girl put all those horror years of Aussie women into stark, depressing contrast.

[zuma]

I am currently in Melbourne.
The quality is so low, I was not expecting that.
In one month, I have seen a couple of 9's. I barely see a 7+ per week.
I totally do not recommand that place, such a nightmare. Too much tatoos, dress with sneakers, fatiness.

I even do not mention their leftist mindset, it would be too much.
So far, places I've been to, only India was worse.

[Bluey]

(12-16-2016 03:52 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

Old thread, but holy shit.

If I were back on the market the first thing I'd do is get the hell out of Australia entirely. I shit you not. If my wife handed me divorce papers I would have my passport application in on the same day.

And not just because it's a women's market to be picky at. Australian women are not only fickle bitches, they're fucking lazy in bed. Lazy everywhere else, too. They're Australian in that regard, but the men have no choice but to lift their game.

The fucking women here? Starfish. Literally AND metaphorically.

Laughed when I read that. I used to know a guy who reckons he picked up a very well known model (household name here), and all he could say was she was a starfish. Shattered a lot of peoples illusions!

[Leonard D Neubache]

(12-16-2016 03:33 PM)RatInTheWoods Wrote:  

...
Gaming Aussie chicks? Why bother.
...
My first Russian girl put all those horror years of Aussie women into stark, depressing contrast.

This is part of the problem. When I was young banging local 6s and 7s that would be international 4s and 5s I had no real basis for comparison. Sure, asian porn was hot stuff, but they were porn stars and therefore no basis for comparison to the average.

Or so I thought.

It wasn't until I met foreign-raised women that I realised what lazy, entitled bitches Australian women are. Imagine a 4 or a 5 that lies on her back like a Roman consul, being fanned and fed grapes by a team of betas while swiping on tinder and then ushering in whatever ripped manservant she's chosen to pleasure her.

She spreads her legs with disinterest until he gets her where she needs to go then waves him away dismissively.

That's Australian women, and damn but do most of the guys here think that's normal!

[sonderho]

(12-16-2016 03:52 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

Old thread, but holy shit.

If I were back on the market the first thing I'd do is get the hell out of Australia entirely. I shit you not. If my wife handed me divorce papers I would have my passport application in on the same day.

And not just because it's a women's market to be picky at. Australian women are not only fickle bitches, they're fucking lazy in bed. Lazy everywhere else, too. They're Australian in that regard, but the men have no choice but to lift their game.

The fucking women here? Starfish. Literally AND metaphorically.

Where in Australia/what English speaking country/city would you go to?

[Deluge]

Damn this thread was like walking down memory lane. Que's post is still the best breakdown of Melbourne girls I've ever seen.

One thing that's different though is how members were talking about no one using online dating here. That has completely changed because of Tinder. It started off as a hookup app but now people use it for everything. It's completely normal now for someone in their early 20's to have met their boyfriend or girlfriend on it. A lot of people use it now exclusively looking for relationships. Almost every single person I know is on it or has been on it in the past, including the kinds of people who wouldn't have touched it with a 10 foot pole a few years ago. Some people even use it to find sugar daddies, it's all encompassing. At least for me this hasn't hurt my results though, I'm doing better on it than ever.

The other thing worth mentioning is that the PUA community in Melbourne seems to have died. I can't remember the last time I saw some dude in the CBD daygaming. Whereas in 2012 or 2013 I used to every single time. This is for the better I think. Most of them had terrible game and were just being a nuisance all spam approaching in the same few spots.

[MaceTyrell]

As someone scheming on a Sydney trip, I'll be making my way through this thread.

Friends there tell me I would kill it in Australia as a African-American. Does this hold water?

[azulsombra]

(02-01-2017 08:47 AM)MaceTyrell Wrote:  

As someone scheming on a Sydney trip, I'll be making my way through this thread.

Friends there tell me I would kill it in Australia as a African-American. Does this hold water?

Great question. I'm not the best one to answer it as I haven't gone to OZ myself but i can add the following. Back in the early 2000s Black American Navy guys I met were raving about Australia nonstop, it sounded like a pussy paradise at the time. Of course this was pre-Tinder and Pre-Iphone penetration. New nightlife laws have also fucked things up from what I hear. I don't think just being exotic will go far in Sydney anymore as it is a very international city and no one stands out there.

I've only met a handful of Aussie girls overseas and the reception I have gotten has been either extremely hot or extremely cold, the ones that come from the smaller cities are the most receptive. I've chatted up a few and the ones that are interested are not shy about letting you know. I banged 2 Aussie chicks last year with ease. Both had great attitudes and I know getting an American girl that looked as good would have been much harder. My advice if you hit OZ would be to avoid the largest cities if you are going for bangs. Im anxious to hear your report though.

[MaceTyrell]

(02-01-2017 09:44 AM)azulsombra Wrote:  

(02-01-2017 08:47 AM)MaceTyrell Wrote:  

As someone scheming on a Sydney trip, I'll be making my way through this thread.

Friends there tell me I would kill it in Australia as a African-American. Does this hold water?

Great question. I'm not the best one to answer it as I haven't gone to OZ myself but i can add the following. Back in the early 2000s Black American Navy guys I met were raving about Australia nonstop, it sounded like a pussy paradise at the time. Of course this was pre-Tinder and Pre-Iphone penetration. New nightlife laws have also fucked things up from what I hear. I don't think just being exotic will go far in Sydney anymore as it is a very international city and no one stands out there.

I've only met a handful of Aussie girls overseas and the reception I have gotten has been either extremely hot or extremely cold, the ones that come from the smaller cities are the most receptive. I've chatted up a few and the ones that are interested are not shy about letting you know. I banged 2 Aussie chicks last year with ease. Both had great attitudes and I know getting an American girl that looked as good would have been much harder. My advice if you hit OZ would be to avoid the largest cities if you are going for bangs. Im anxious to hear your report though.

Well I'd be going with a female friend (and her bf) who hail from another, smaller Aussie city. We'd be planning a trip to Sydney & a road trip of sorts. Imma be very direct about my intentions, and intend on both random pulling and EXHAUSTING their social circle.

[rafaeld]

(07-25-2013 02:42 AM)Que enspastic Wrote:  

in melbourne here is a breakdown of their characteristics:

white urban hipster - this is actually the mainstream. university educated, probably studied journalism, english, film studies, law, etc. will attend a lot of house parties, live close to the city, tend to love france/italy/south america, will generally go bars over clubs. looks down on gym rats and wogs, loves musicians and artistic types, strong celebration of coffee culture, big into human rights and independent festivals.

white urban mainstream - this is actually the minority but would be considered mainstream overseas or in the rest of australia due to their acceptance of US pop culture. generally studies commerce, business studies, something that doesn't force them to think too hard about values or issues. Lives in the eastern suburbs with family, goes to clubs, likes avicci and EDM festivals, would rather greek islands or koh phangan on holidays than vienna or chiang mai.

white urban trash - uneducated, lives in the west, distant eastern suburbs or far north. might go to tafe to learn hairdressing/beauty therapy or work as a secretary. won't have anything interesting to say. will generally have an unsavoury nasal accent.

white country - generally racist or parochial as they didn't grow up in multicultural urban australia. very rare to find a hot country girl as she only has english/irish DNA, and if she was hot she would probably already be locked down by some guy already in her country town.

westernised asian - big chunk of aussie girl population. they'll either fit into the first or second white girl camp unless their parents were refugees or recent immigrants. like white guys.

wog (meditteranean/levant background) - annoying as fuck. generally hotter than the other groups due to better genetics. very rarely find them in the hipster camp, mostly mainstream, love guys with aesthetics, electronic dance music, can sometimes have far more conservative parents than average girl. mostly commonly have a bit of greek/italian/turk/lebanese/balkan power in them.

I've spent a couple of years in Perth (Western Australian city) and I can verify that the split over here is similar with a few differences.

1. White urban trash is way more common over here, STAY AWAY from these women. These are the girls that will throw drinks at you, cuss and yell and try to assault you in clubs.

2. White urban hipster/white urban mainstream are sort of merged into one. Most of them tend to be loud, slutty and irritating. There's no pretence of culture whatsoever.

3. There are many westernised Asians, most of them tend to have boyfriends in my experience but if forced to choose I'd still take these over the white girls. They are at least more demure and polite, and won't try to start a fight with you.

4. Don't bother with the wogs they are the most dramatic and entitled women you will find.

5. I'll add a new category for Perth - Stripper/Sex worker. Girls tend to be fairly open about this and if you can make your way into the right social circles they are actually some of the nicer and more feminine Australian women I have met (go figure). Maybe it's because they are the only ones being honest about who they are. Not girlfriend material for obvious reasons but can be a good fuck.

Online dating can work over here, Tinder is very popular.

By far the best experiences I have had in Australia are with foreign women (students or backpackers). The best girl I met here was a Brazilian au pere. Aussie guys tend to like British or foreign women because they recognise how annoying their own breed is.

My 2c: Don't come here to pick up. Not worth it.

[Deluge]

(02-01-2017 08:47 AM)MaceTyrell Wrote:  

As someone scheming on a Sydney trip, I'll be making my way through this thread.

Friends there tell me I would kill it in Australia as a African-American. Does this hold water?

Yeah. I don't want to overhype it too much, it ain't like they'll be sucking your dick as soon as you get off the plane. But even an average looking African American dude will enjoy a big exotic advantage. I can't think of any other type of guy that would more. Across all different kinds of girls too. Rich private school girls, hipsters, bogans, you name it. African Americans are the epitome of cool and not many Americans visit here in general, and those that do are almost all white. If she lives in Melbourne or maybe Sydney she might have met an African before (refugees from East Africa), but most likely never met an African American. In fact, the only ones I've ever met have either been while I was overseas, or visiting RVF members.

[BrewDog]

I used two weeks of my life trying to fuck some Ozzy girls in Colombia. The first one flaked, and then the other one was in the friend zone. Goddamn they were some vicious cunts. Feminists.

If you wanna hang out with some chick and drink and do fun shit, then the Oz chicks are fine for that. But I won't use my time on that again. If I want a guy friend, I'll just hang out with a fucking dude.

[colblionel]

Quick question for my Aussie guys out there.

I plan to visit Australia if not this year than prolly next year.

Besides tinder and probably okcupid what are some popular Australian dating sites?