[Prosal]

(06-23-2013 09:11 PM)BCZalgyris Wrote:  

..bowling

Right on the money. There is a constant in ALL girls and women in FSU, they ALL love bowling. Don't know why most guys seem to think that only clubs are good for chasing girls. Bowlings are usually swarming with dyevushki. It's a drink-up and provides excellent gaming opportunities. Besides, girls are constantly bending over in front of you ))

[Prosal]

(06-22-2013 01:35 PM)The Duke Wrote:  

wow a lot of talk of pros and semi pros in kiev. That's a bit disappointing to hear. I mean, I know it's not like SEA, but still. One thing nice about Kharkiv is that there are very few pros.

I'm not a specialist of Kiev, but as Vorkuta rightly said, it seems that people here paint a rather grim picture of the place and the mentality of the women there. Kiev has a population of 3 millions, let's keep that in mind - the Center is kind of a fantasy land that gives no true indication what the rest of the city is like - and the epicenter for spoiled Kiev girls is all those clubs that are mentionned here.

If you go out of the sex-hungry tourist circuit in more demokratishny places, you'll find girls as physically beautiful as their more glamorous cousins. Honest girls. Everywhere in FSU, from Lviv to Vladivostok (Kiev included), for every girl that wants sushi there is three that prefer pelmini and for every girl that likes drinking strawberry mojitos at face-controlled clubs there is three that would rather drink beer at the local drink-up.

Anyway, as mentionned above, they ALL absolutely LOVE bowling. )))

[slubu]

Some photos from the ground:


Carribean Club, I'd say of the non-employees 70% were P4P.


My ideal style. Superthin with jet black hair. Prefer it if she was dressed up a bit more.


Couple of uni girls walking to class.


By a different university.


Not the best pic but she was attractive.


This is very big for Kiev. You would rarely see a girl this chunky walking around.


More heels, nothing special.


Reminder of America, just better body.


One thing I noticed here, some of the girls go to extremes with color coordination.

(Part 1 of 2)

[slubu]

Just another day at McDonald's.


She was flaunting it like no other.


Cute too.


More heels at McD's.

This is an average representation from the streets. If you are in the right area you will see a ton of attractive girls. Might just be me though, as I love superthin white girls that are usually dressed up and in heels. I also have a thing for light eyes.

[The Fantasist]

(06-24-2013 03:19 AM)Prosal Wrote:  

(06-23-2013 09:11 PM)BCZalgyris Wrote:  

..bowling

Right on the money. There is a constant in ALL girls and women in FSU, they ALL love bowling. Don't know why most guys seem to think that only clubs are good for chasing girls. Bowlings are usually swarming with dyevushki. It's a drink-up and provides excellent gaming opportunities. Besides, girls are constantly bending over in front of you ))

In the city of Vorkuta there was a big club called Tropicana. It had a dance floor and right next to the dance floor were three bowling lanes. People would dance and then walk over and bowl a ball or two and then return to the dance floor. First time I'd ever seen that in a club.

[Alexander]

(06-23-2013 08:48 PM)Mersault Wrote:  

(06-23-2013 05:30 PM)Alexander Wrote:  

Getting women in Ukraine is a weird charade with specific rules that you reluctantly play along with to get what you want.

In Ukraine?
More like the world Mister Alexander.

Stand upright, talk shit,. If that doesn't work. Sit down and talk more shit. If that doesn't work, pull your shoulders back and go talk shit to somebody else. And so on.

Well when I say weird, I mean weird.

When trying to fuck English girls for example there is not much to do, she often prioritizes your looks more than anything else, you have a few drinks with her, if for some bizarre reason she won't fuck you that night, then next time is guaranteed.

Whereas in Ukraine.....

You have to pretend your not a sex tourist(easily done in the west!)

You have to reserve a table at a nightclub to be respected by the women, which is stupidity in many countries.

You buy cheap bottles of Odessa champagne for ten Euros to share with and impress the girls, they will think they're sophisticated.

You cannot dress in a trendy or alternative way, she will think you're a drug addict or a homo

You have to tolerate some of the worst pop-music known to man

You buy an Iphone specifically to impress the girls, she will be less impressed by a Galaxy S4 because she will wonder why you cannot afford the Iphone 5, after all, more expensive iz ze best.

You have to dance on the dancefloor, if you're waiting at the bar like a predator for them to get thirsty then you'll be waiting a long time. These girls often wont drink anything and are happy to stay on the dance floor for hours.

So I think there is much more to consider in FSU than in the west.

[jimukr104]

(06-24-2013 03:50 AM)slubu Wrote:  


Just another day at McDonald's.


She was flaunting it like no other.


Cute too.


More heels at McD's.

This is an average representation from the streets. If you are in the right area you will see a ton of attractive girls. Might just be me though, as I love superthin white girls that are usually dressed up and in heels. I also have a thing for light eyes.

Thanks for the photo's. I got to mention that the girls looked better 5-10 years ago. They were more sexy. Today they look like they are dressing from old navy. I also notice guys in shorts. 10 years ago it was unheard of. Shorts were considered classless on guys ,unless at beach city. Seems if you want see sexy girls you need go to provinces.
Now i gotta tell yo I see better girls in NYC every day then what your photos are showing. Of course more fatties here but Ukraine actually is 51-53% overweight now from what i have read. USA is 67%. They are catching up.
My final take. If you are from hog ville USA go EAST! But if you are in Miami,NYC, L.A., or Vegas. You will get the same.

[thegmanifesto]

(06-24-2013 10:52 AM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

(06-24-2013 03:50 AM)slubu Wrote:  


Just another day at McDonald's.


She was flaunting it like no other.


Cute too.


More heels at McD's.

This is an average representation from the streets. If you are in the right area you will see a ton of attractive girls. Might just be me though, as I love superthin white girls that are usually dressed up and in heels. I also have a thing for light eyes.

Thanks for the photo's. I got to mention that the girls looked better 5-10 years ago. They were more sexy. Today they look like they are dressing from old navy. I also notice guys in shorts. 10 years ago it was unheard of. Shorts were considered classless on guys ,unless at beach city. Seems if you want see sexy girls you need go to provinces.
Now i gotta tell yo I see better girls in NYC every day then what your photos are showing. Of course more fatties here but Ukraine actually is 51-53% overweight now from what i have read. USA is 67%. They are catching up.
My final take. If you are from hog ville USA go EAST! But if you are in Miami,NYC, L.A., or Vegas. You will get the same.

Yeah, those McDonald's pictures could have been in XYZ town in middle America (minus the older women in high heels).

A girl in a Ed Hardy tank top flat sandals and cut off jean shorts? I am sure the average McDonald's worker in Orlando sees that 200-300 per day.

Quote:

My final take. If you are from hog ville USA go EAST! But if you are in Miami,NYC, L.A., or Vegas. You will get the same.

I think you are the first person to say this.

The more I travel, I am thinking the same.

I mean hell, I saw hotter Russian and EE girls in Miami Beach on a daily basis than I have seen of Russian and EE girls on the EE threads.

More high heels and less clothes on them too.

[jimukr104]

(06-24-2013 10:58 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(06-24-2013 10:52 AM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

(06-24-2013 03:50 AM)slubu Wrote:  


Just another day at McDonald's.


She was flaunting it like no other.


Cute too.


More heels at McD's.

This is an average representation from the streets. If you are in the right area you will see a ton of attractive girls. Might just be me though, as I love superthin white girls that are usually dressed up and in heels. I also have a thing for light eyes.

Thanks for the photo's. I got to mention that the girls looked better 5-10 years ago. They were more sexy. Today they look like they are dressing from old navy. I also notice guys in shorts. 10 years ago it was unheard of. Shorts were considered classless on guys ,unless at beach city. Seems if you want see sexy girls you need go to provinces.
Now i gotta tell yo I see better girls in NYC every day then what your photos are showing. Of course more fatties here but Ukraine actually is 51-53% overweight now from what i have read. USA is 67%. They are catching up.
My final take. If you are from hog ville USA go EAST! But if you are in Miami,NYC, L.A., or Vegas. You will get the same.

Yeah, those McDonald's pictures could have been in XYZ town in middle America (minus the older women in high heels).

A girl in a Ed Hardy tank top flat sandals and cut off jean shorts? I am sure the average McDonald's worker in Orlando sees that 200-300 per day.

Quote:

My final take. If you are from hog ville USA go EAST! But if you are in Miami,NYC, L.A., or Vegas. You will get the same.

I think you are the first person to say this.

The more I travel, I am thinking the same.

I mean hell, I saw hotter Russian and EE girls in Miami Beach on a daily basis than I have seen of Russian and EE girls on the EE threads.

More high heels and less clothes on them too.

Agreed. You know what it is?
Years ago all the FSU girls thought Westerners dressed sloppy. Girls wore always black dresses or mini skirts with high heels or hooker boots. they were wearing them in Brooklyn since they started coming in the 80's. Guys would be laughed at if they were shorts. Basically 0 years ago it was like America 1 hundred years ago , everyone dressed there best. Now it seems these chicks are buying clothing off the rack from Banana republic or old navy. For me , part of sex appeal is dress code.Some guys like chicks in Bikinis. I like em in mini skirts. But not mini gap looking shit lol. I saw guy in pic in yellow shorts. WTF??
I also notice the chicks are getting fatter.
In NYC you still see thousands of slim chicks who dress good. Russians here look better even.In Las vegas all the chicks look hot.
If Russian and Ukraine already has over a 50% overweight rate , that means it is catching up with the Western world. In fact Italy has more % slimness. Seriously at the rate it is going I suspect it will be close to West in a decade. In Odessa they opened a supermarket near my flat. The clientele on opening day looked like fat Americans from Iowa!

[WestCoast]

Damn. This thread is making me realize more and more that EE is not for me.

Cold weather and girls equal to a city like NY, see no reason to visit.

Will be interested in hearing slubu compare EE and NYC. To me NYC smashes every one of these cities to bits since you can get a high paying job + live in the action.

This year or next I will take an EE trip but for now sounds like LATAM is it for me.

[Greek kamaki]

If you are interested in p4p you do not hit clubs.But if you happen to be in clubs chasing girls you may succumb to an offer of 100$ for one night by girls who frequent clubs for this reason.Because they know there are there sex thirsty guys who prefer not to go home with empty hands.
The line between girlfriend,sponsorette,pro is often blur in Ukraine and may as well your girlfriend be simultaneously another man's sponsorette and another man's fiance.That is why these role distinctions do not matter what matters is what you get for which price.
For example between balling with champagnes to attract girls,buying them sushi in restaurants or buying them presents direct I see no difference since the price is the same.
If you pay 35 euro just to enter a high end club what do you think the women there are looking for?Of course you can get a lot of women for free but not in high end clubs.You have to hit low class popular clubs, the metro,Kreshatik,internet,the province etc.

[The Duke]

(06-24-2013 10:58 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

I mean hell, I saw hotter Russian and EE girls in Miami Beach on a daily basis than I have seen of Russian and EE girls on the EE threads.

Ok, let's compare to some random pictures I took of girls on Miami Beach.

   
   
   
   
   

G', my point is that random pics that people post don't always do justice to a place, even though this last girl is pretty cute. She's probably Russian or Ukrainian, yeah? I hate to say it, but overall, Ukraine beats Florida in terms of girl quality. More diversity in Florida, and easier girls in FL, but more top-shelf girls in Ukraine as one guy on these forums put it. You need to go there to see it for yourself. Your experience in Ukraine will vary. You may or maybe have a good time, but you cannot deny the talent.

[Prosal]

Maybe the most cosmopolitan US cities can be compared to some central EE countries for the ratio or density of attractive women, but if we talk about Russia/Ukraine/Belarus, then the number of truly hot girls there vs Miami or NYC is probably roughly 10 to 1. If we talk about Iowa or Kentucky, then the number goes to 100 to 1.

FSU is loaded with beauty and charming, wonderful women, and there is a higher density of attractive white women in Russia/Ukraine than any other country you can think of. Furthermore I've never been anywhere else where it is both socially acceptable and POSSIBLE for a mid-aged man to meet and screw 20-25 year old girls ranging from fuckably cute to sizzling hot on a regular basis.

[presidentcarter]

(06-24-2013 03:50 AM)slubu Wrote:  


Just another day at McDonald's.


She was flaunting it like no other.

Saturday there was a black chick at Publix in Atlanta sporting the same shorts...and same display of a$$.

[jimukr104]

(06-24-2013 12:12 PM)Prosal Wrote:  

Maybe the most cosmopolitan US cities can be compared to some central EE countries for the ratio or density of attractive women, but if we talk about Russia/Ukraine/Belarus, then the number of truly hot girls there vs. Miami or NYC is probably roughly 10 to 1.

FSU is loaded with beauty and charming, wonderful women, and there is a higher density of attractive white women in Russia/Ukraine than any other country you can think of.

If the overweight % is creeping up pass 50% compared to USA 67% that means the ratio is NOT 10 to 1. Sure they look sexier because they put on more makeup BUT as Roosh said they are actually less pretty than poland. So lets say there are a 3 to 1 ratio with the west. That is a big difference. However, take NYC with a metro population of over 15 million and compared to a city like Kiev. you will find just as many slim attractive chicks , head count wise(not %). Also the FSU population in the tri state area is huge and they tend to often look better than the FSU girls over there these days. Reason is because the girls here have money to actually take care of their skin and they keep there own styles. my wife actually thinks the Russians look better here than they do in FSU these days. Its because she has notice the weight gain over there ,the bad teeth and skin. Now I bet the province girls STILL look great. But I am not impressed with the photo's from SLubu or that Alex took in Kiev last year. The city is definitely changing.
If I ever become single again I will probably head to Asia lol. I bet money in 10 years the main international FSU ciites will be like Berlin.The only thing that will save FSU is 1. making it harder for foreigners to come in and them to leave. That means reinstate visa. Ukraine got worst after visa restriction lifted. Also restrict them from leaving and becoming Western.
2. Cut Ukraine off from world (IMF??) loans. The country would lose all credit and there would be no I phones, BMW's ,etc being sold to the masses.Ukraine is 1 of the top 5 countries USA gives money to. They don't like us much so CUT them off lol. Problem with Ukrainians is that they think that they need to consume every luxury product known to man and will expect men to provide it to them. Even local Ukrainians are getting tired of their chicks(they are not much better).
3. Ban Greek Kamiki from ALL FSU countries(joking). He gives the chicks a sense of entitlement by giving them money, perfume and groceries. All these guys doing this makes the chicks WAIT until they find a sponsor. Would any of you guys buy an American chick a weeks worth of food?

Slubu's friend who walked away from the table on a date when she tried to order food should be commended. That's how guys need to behave.
A regular local would never put up with that. He call her a suka and bitch slap her.

Years ago (2001)when I first dated my wife, she led us to a restaurant in Kiev that was pretty expensive.To this day she swears she thought it was Not expensive. Anyway my friend /wing was with another chick. The other chick ordered a lot of alcohol and food. In fact she took most of the food home.This behavior was common back then as now. My wife whispered to me at the time and mentioned her bad behavior.This is what you are dealing with if you go to the expat places.
It would be more productive to probably number close chicks at the clubs and NOT spend a dime. Then make dates. You are Not likely getting ONS anyway.Even though most of us don't believe Deb's stories, he in fact does not go for ONS. He number closes and goes from there. Advantage is then you can do the obligatory walk in the park date, etc and screen the scammers and semi pros easily.

[iknowexactly]

Whatever the details, the "window" in EE/Russia is or will be closing in five ways, just like the window closed as wealth increased in Western Europe after WW2:

1) As countries rise economically, women demand more financially, you need more $ to not be deemed a "loser". As more time goes by, you get girls who not only will have their own money, but have FAMILY money which is very hard to accrue and compete with for a 30-something.

2) You are getting older. As countries move towards first world status, relationships are viewed more as a long-term party best enjoyed with someone as age-similar as possible, i.e. within 4-10 years of her age. This is instead of being viewed as a source of lasting devotion and security.

3) Western admiration for "attitude" and ruthless self-assertion increases with media models. So while Ukechix legs may still be long, they may only be beautiful on the outside.

4) Facewhore inculcates an image of the YoungTallCool Western Europe guy as an available husband just-around-the-bend, while he really is just taking sex vacations. Meanwhile she wastes her youthful beauty ( shorter shelf-life in EE/RU) waiting for him to come get her out.

5) Younger EE/RU guys are getting less leaden; more spontaneous and optimistic and charming. They are becoming better competition.

I blew off EE chicks 10-15 years ago I could NEVER get now. Big mistake.

If you want to get a keeper, do it now. Or perhaps after some glitch in the EE economy where they get scared for a while.

[The Fantasist]

(06-24-2013 12:57 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

I blew off EE chicks 10-15 years ago I could NEVER get now. Big mistake.

Don't think like that, it's only nostalgia perverting your memory. You blew those chicks off because they were below the standard you were getting BACK THEN. The alternative is to settle. I blow chicks off all the time now that I'd kill for when I'm 50 plus but that is just the way life works. The chics you blow off now IKE you'll be dreaming about when you're 80.

[Greek kamaki]

In fact Ukraine has made very little progress since 2006.Stagnation is the right word.

[Alexander]

Quote:

Whatever the details, the "window" in EE/Russia is or will be closing in five ways, just like the window closed as wealth increased in Western Europe after WW2:

Not only this, after WW2 the American GI's came to UK and brought with them American culture and consumerism.

They came with such things as Cigarettes, Coca Cola, and Candy.

That was the beginning of the end

[Alexander]

It's a shame we don't have a time-machine, we could do something like in Terminator 2 where they try and kill Miles Dyson the Skynet Engineer.

We could kill those responsible for creating the following before their monstrous dreams became reality.

Facebook, MTV, Iphone, Coca Cola, Dildos, Feminism, Ryanair etc

[Greek kamaki]

MTV etc and western biases do not affect Ukraine because Ukrainian girls think they are sexier than the western models,MTV singers,Hollywood actresses etc.

[worldwidetraveler]

(06-24-2013 01:17 PM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

(06-24-2013 12:57 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

I blew off EE chicks 10-15 years ago I could NEVER get now. Big mistake.

Don't think like that, it's only nostalgia perverting your memory. You blew those chicks off because they were below the standard you were getting BACK THEN. The alternative is to settle. I blow chicks off all the time now that I'd kill for when I'm 50 plus but that is just the way life works. The chics you blow off now IKE you'll be dreaming about when you're 80.

Unless you see them as they aged, like the rest of us. You would probably blow them off again. heh

[Roosh]

G Manifesto's Ukraine hamster is becoming steroidal.

[thegmanifesto]

(06-24-2013 04:41 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

G Manifesto's Ukraine hamster is becoming steroidal.

Ha.

For sure. But at the very least I hope I have driven different people's viewpoints out of people.

I think it is part of our nature to find the "next best thing". All the Ukraine propaganda can have an effect on a red blooded Male. I mean who doesn't want models with high heels even when they go for a jog and cocktails for $1.75?

I am trying to get "sold on" Ukraine or sell myself out of it. The last thing I want in life is regrets.

But maybe I have to learn to live with regrets.

[presidentcarter]

I think people are missing the point. Traveling somewhere SOLELY for the women, regardless of how much "research" you do, is the same as deciding what you wear, what music you like, what job you have, etc. based on the opinion of females. I feel like when people are posting pics and debating "hotness" of a locale it's like arguing over whose dad has the bigger truck.

What you want is to find the right mix of country, language, lifestyle, and women. A holistic approach.

Language you want to learn? Check.
Sights you want to see? Check.
Women that attract you and make you want to put in effort for? Check.
Some business or personal growth opportunities? Check.

Another point is that, for many, moving or traveling to a strange new land (I know South Beach is strange, but it's not Ukraine strange) heightens their senses, and makes gaming come more natural, like when some of you mentioned that your first trip in a country yields better results than subsequent trips.