[Greek kamaki]

Ukrainian mentality in one song.Daj mi cash(give me cash).

[iknowexactly]

(06-27-2013 10:50 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

Ukrainian mentality in one song.Daj mi cash(give me cash).

....video....
Contrast between the nice figures of the girls ( lots of trashy tattoos however, which I think is even more of a DLV in Ukraine) and the dull, droning "song" is remarkable. BUt he got it done, and hung out with those chicks, so congrats.

[rishboy77]

I don't know if it's been mentioned already but if you "Like" most of the tops clubs in Kiev on Facebook like Sorry Babushka, D'Lux, Skybar, etc you can check out the quality as the clubs post pictures on a weekly basis. It was funny I recently saw a picture of a girl at D'Lux that I met for coffee when I was in Kiev back in February but did not bang. I even had her back at my place after a hour but could not seal the deal. She on my list for next time for sure.
Let me know if anybody wants to meet up as I'm thinking of heading back to Kiev for 10 days in the beginning of Sept as the weather is still warm and school is back in session as the girls are back in town from the provinces.

[Prosal]

(06-27-2013 11:00 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

and the dull, droning "song"

As you surely guessed, this is a bit stereotypical and caricatural. Ukrainian music is not only silly and trashy pop, and ukrainian girls are not all ditzy and money-hungry bimbos.

Underwud, one of my fav ukrainian rock band (with Okean Elzy):

[iknowexactly]

(06-27-2013 11:22 AM)Prosal Wrote:  

(06-27-2013 11:00 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

and the dull, droning "song"

As you surely guessed, this is a bit stereotypical and caricatural. Ukrainian music is not only silly and trashy pop, and ukrainian girls are not all ditzy and money-hungry bimbos.

nice video--long live super-8!!

[Roosh]

Alexander = Deb Auchery, in case anyone was wondering, a member who was caught lying about his success in Russia.

I'm surprised he didn't change any details to hide his identity, or at least change his personality. Liking some of my posts was a nice cover for a couple days.

[jimukr104]

(06-27-2013 06:25 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Alexander = Deb Auchery, in case anyone was wondering.

I'm surprised he didn't change any details to hide his identity, or at least change his personality. Liking some of my posts was a nice cover for a couple days.

lol. I thought it was him. After all only he tends to have a harem a chicks.

[Brosemite]

Did he mention what city he was pulling off these bangs from $40.00 dates?

[BCZalgyris]

(06-27-2013 06:25 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Alexander = Deb Auchery, in case anyone was wondering, a member who was caught lying about his success in Russia.

I'm surprised he didn't change any details to hide his identity, or at least change his personality. Liking some of my posts was a nice cover for a couple days.

Good notice Roosh. I always thought his posts, and some of the other posters here were heavily exaggerating their successes. I remember in previous posts Deb mentioning that he spoke very little Russian yet ended up bragging that he was getting barely legal 8's & 9's on a daily basis just by approaching them and "asking if they spoke English" or using his phone as translator. I've been to many places in FSU and since I don't pipeline no way could I succeed much without Russian language knowledge. Btw, if anyone from these forums wants to meet up next week in Kiev PM me, i'll be there from Wednesday - Saturday before hitting 2nd & 3rd tier cities.

[Merenguero]

(06-27-2013 06:25 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Alexander = Deb Auchery, in case anyone was wondering, a member who was caught lying about his success in Russia.

I'm surprised he didn't change any details to hide his identity, or at least change his personality. Liking some of my posts was a nice cover for a couple days.

I wonder if there will come a day that Deb Auchery and Dash Global will stay the hell away from this forum. I don't see it happening anytime soon.

[speeddemon]

(06-27-2013 09:02 PM)BCZalgyris Wrote:  

(06-27-2013 06:25 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Alexander = Deb Auchery, in case anyone was wondering, a member who was caught lying about his success in Russia.

I'm surprised he didn't change any details to hide his identity, or at least change his personality. Liking some of my posts was a nice cover for a couple days.

Good notice Roosh. I always thought his posts, and some of the other posters here were heavily exaggerating their successes. I remember in previous posts Deb mentioning that he spoke very little Russian yet ended up bragging that he was getting barely legal 8's & 9's on a daily basis just by approaching them and "asking if they spoke English" or using his phone as translator. I've been to many places in FSU and since I don't pipeline no way could I succeed much without Russian language knowledge. Btw, if anyone from these forums wants to meet up next week in Kiev PM me, i'll be there from Wednesday - Saturday before hitting 2nd & 3rd tier cities.

Deb made a thread on the other forum about how he was about to father a child with some short, ugly Ukrainian girl with acne. Deb probably gets with some attractive girls and some unattractive girls. Think about it: why would he keep an ugly girl around long enough to get pregnant with if he was only getting better quality girls?

If something sounds too good to be true, it probably is.

[Tenerife]

(06-28-2013 02:46 AM)speeddemon Wrote:  

(06-27-2013 09:02 PM)BCZalgyris Wrote:  

(06-27-2013 06:25 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Alexander = Deb Auchery, in case anyone was wondering, a member who was caught lying about his success in Russia.

I'm surprised he didn't change any details to hide his identity, or at least change his personality. Liking some of my posts was a nice cover for a couple days.

Good notice Roosh. I always thought his posts, and some of the other posters here were heavily exaggerating their successes. I remember in previous posts Deb mentioning that he spoke very little Russian yet ended up bragging that he was getting barely legal 8's & 9's on a daily basis just by approaching them and "asking if they spoke English" or using his phone as translator. I've been to many places in FSU and since I don't pipeline no way could I succeed much without Russian language knowledge. Btw, if anyone from these forums wants to meet up next week in Kiev PM me, i'll be there from Wednesday - Saturday before hitting 2nd & 3rd tier cities.

Deb made a thread on the other forum about how he was about to father a child with some short, ugly Ukrainian girl with acne. Deb probably gets with some attractive girls and some unattractive girls. Think about it: why would he keep an ugly girl around long enough to get pregnant with if he was only getting better quality girls?

If something sounds too good to be true, it probably is.

all the NN vs RVF stuff is pretty dumb. Deb never said that he was getting 8s and 9s daily. if he was more chill he would still be posting here.

People on NN talk shit about RVF and the other way around. it's pointless.

[The Duke]

I just arrived in Kiev. Using the free wifi in terminal D to write this as I wait for my girlfriend (her bus is late). This new terminal is quite modern.

When leaving India, the Air Arabia guy at the checkin counter was telling me I needed a return ticket (or proof of ongoing journey). He was acting like I couldn't board without it. I calmly and persistently spoke with him about how I've been to Ukraine before on one-way tickets and that it wouldn't be a problem. He said "this is a new regulation". That I highly doubt is true. I just kept talking about how as US citizen, it's not a problem, I can easily book a train or another flight once I'm there. Eventually I talk to his manager, explain I can buy a ticket anytime with my bank card if it's really required. Luckily they let me board without having to spend time on a stupid refundable return ticket. I think that checkin guy was new at his job. Perhaps for an Indian citizen, a return ticket is required. I arrived in Kiev and breezed through immigration. No issues.

I wish I could stay in Kiev longer than two days.

Edit: I love how my Life sim card still works after being out of the country for 8 months.

[Roosh]

^^Almost got trolled

Seems like everyone is in Kiev. No visits to Odessa?

[slubu]

+1. Finally. Details to follow... on mobile now.

[TheBulldozer]

(06-27-2013 11:02 AM)rishboy77 Wrote:  

I don't know if it's been mentioned already but if you "Like" most of the tops clubs in Kiev on Facebook like Sorry Babushka, D'Lux, Skybar, etc you can check out the quality as the clubs post pictures on a weekly basis. It was funny I recently saw a picture of a girl at D'Lux that I met for coffee when I was in Kiev back in February but did not bang. I even had her back at my place after a hour but could not seal the deal. She on my list for next time for sure.
Let me know if anybody wants to meet up as I'm thinking of heading back to Kiev for 10 days in the beginning of Sept as the weather is still warm and school is back in session as the girls are back in town from the provinces.

I may have touched on a variation of this game in another thread, at another time, but since you bring this up it bears mentioning once again.

I have a friend absolutely killing it in another city in this part of the world. So much so, that I've taken two visits out there in the past few years just to see it/live it.

His most effective brand of game is using Facebook to connect with girls at these clubs. I'll break it down for you a bit:

1. Clubs hire photographers who post pictures on Facebook.
2. Girls go wild tagging themselves in photos they see of themselves posted on the club's Facebook page.(And why not, they're HQ images of themselves dressed well)
3. Tag yourself, then adds the girls who tagged themselves in other photos to your Facebook with a message about the club.
4. Flirt with the girls, get their number, etc.
5. Send a blast message before heading out that they're invited up to your table at the club.
6. Enjoy a harem of girls who flock to your table. Competition breeds success.

This can absolutely be done with a high value Facebook profile.

[slubu]

MaleDefined that is an interesting strategy and I can see that working.

On my +1, met this girl at a bar on Sunday night. I think I alluded to it or maybe not, first girl I talked to had drinks with her and she came back but wouldn't have sex, claimed she was a virgin. Last night had my first date with her, had one drink then back to my place for more drinks and smokes, then went at it. She was not a virgin as she admitted, but more of a nymph if I may say so.

After she left went out for a while. Got another # from a girl who I'm now meeting tonight. Putting in some strong effort these last 10 days here to see what I can turn over with all these leads.

[rishboy77]

(06-28-2013 12:44 PM)slubu Wrote:  

MaleDefined that is an interesting strategy and I can see that working.

The problem with this strategy is that most girls don't tag themselves or even want to be tagged on Facebook, which is strange since their picture is already up.
Such is the paradox of Ukraine.

The best technique if you want to be higher roller for the night I found to weed out the gold diggers is to get a table with a few buddies but make sure the table is prime and close to the dance floor. Get a real feel for the girls and their friends and tell them you want to head back to your apartment to continue the party and make it clear that you will not pay them in a nice and joking way. I have joked with girls for example.... I know your a "good" girl and not a prostitute. Wink Wink.
Last year me and 2 other guys split bottle service at D'Lux for $3000 UAH or $125 US each but that was a Thursday so it was cheaper.

[BCZalgyris]

Saw some Turkish guys do this at Vodka Bar and some British Yuppies at Decadence however from my experience table service is not very effective over there. The girls they had were mediocre and seemed bored as heck and since even in Ukraine table service ain't cheap I think a much better approach is just to post-up at the bar and chat up the girls buying an occasional 8+ a drink if the vibe is good (although my preference now is late-night sushi as it's easier to have a private conversation and isolate).

Btw I agree with rishboy77 that FB tagging via club sites is not that effective, I doubt that the majority of the girls, especially the conservative one's, are posing in front of photographer's in skimpy outfits. To me, I still believe that true game is day-game/night-game with cold approaches (something that GManifesto has mentioned numerous times)! FB game smells of the dreaded pipe-lining approach. Also, with all the privacy issues that FB has I could not imagine having anything more than a skeleton profile on it.

[slubu]

Only in Ukraine...

[tiggaling]

woah! just don't imagine those two having sexual intercourse. trust me, you don't want to!

[TheBulldozer]

(06-28-2013 07:18 PM)BCZalgyris Wrote:  

Btw I agree with rishboy77 that FB tagging via club sites is not that effective, I doubt that the majority of the girls, especially the conservative one's, are posing in front of photographer's in skimpy outfits. To me, I still believe that true game is day-game/night-game with cold approaches (something that GManifesto has mentioned numerous times)! FB game smells of the dreaded pipe-lining approach. Also, with all the privacy issues that FB has I could not imagine having anything more than a skeleton profile on it.

Fucking Ukraine. Like I said, I've seen the strategy work in a similar environment to Ukraine. It was just a passing thought that I could see working there.

[The Fantasist]

(06-27-2013 07:40 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(06-24-2013 09:28 PM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

(06-24-2013 07:23 PM)GameTheory Wrote:  

okay, so how do i go about finding "normal" women in .UA/.RU ??? i want to avoid sponsorettes, pros, and semi-pros as i am seeking LTR/marriage material

Don't hang out where those types hang out.
Learn the language.

Most tourists head straight to the centre of Kiev. That place is inundated with hookers and semi-pros and gold diggers. They all go there to find a customer. The problem is that most tourists don't have the balls or the gumption to hit the suburbs where you come across a totally different atmosphere and type of girl. You dont have to go far, take the metro a few stops from the Kreschatic and youre in a different world. Even in Kiev central you can find good women but not in expensive clubs. Find the girls who are not slutting it up in Fire and Ice and instead talk to the girls working in Puzata Hata. The friendly girl in the cafe in the underpass, ask her out. The flower seller by the war memorial, invite her for a drink after work. It's not difficult BUT do you have the patience? The thing is non sluts over there are conservative, more so than Americans or Brits. So you need a few dates or longer. If you're in town for a weekend though will you want to wait that long? Also without Russian you are limited to your choice and so you kind of need the women who speak great English but that brings you back into the centre where English levels are better due to the women being around foreigners more. Once you have conversational Russian the whole game changes because you can be bolder and go further from the commonly trodden path. But the dichotomy is again, it's harder with those good girls because they have values BUT you will find women who aren't all about your wallet and that you can have a deeper connection with.

The reason they do this is time. And travel distance.

If you are coming from say San Diego or Orange County California (or LA or SF), to Kiev, you are in for quite a journey.

I am sure the last thing you want to do is hop on a bus to the suburbs or Kiev.

Or take a train to tier 3 and tier 8 cities in Ukraine.

Which also begs the question, why would you travel half way around the world to hang out in the suburbs?

Some guys may love that, and more power to them.

G if some guy is willing to go to the hassle and expense of flying to Kiev from San Diego or Orange County and then upon arrival cannot be bothered to take a twenty minute metro ride to the suburbs, well then he will get little sympathy from me when he finds nothing but gold diggers and semi-pros.

"Which also begs the question, why would you travel half way around the world to hang out in the suburbs?"

It comes down to what you're after:

Are you on a week long trip to bang a few girls? If yes then hit the centre where women's morals are more liquid and malleable. If you just want to bang then that is ideal. Hit Vodka bar, go to Dockers, target the girls seated upstairs in the Irish Pub near the Maidan. It's your best chance of getting a quick bang.

If however you have had your fill of those types and see through the bullshit and mind games they play and in all honesty maybe are seeking something more long term than a bang or two, maybe someone to keep on the slow burner long term, then spend your evenings away from those places and take a few stops down the line to suburban stations. It's incredible just how little distance you need to be the only foreigner in the place and to meet a more genuine type of girl ( this is for all FSU capitols ). Your question also implied that the centers are superior to the suburbs. I'd counter that. Centers are overpriced rip offs but with shinier objects in them ( decor and girls ), suburbs are half the price and often less of a fake or posing atmosphere. Win-win.

I do have to emphasize the conservatism though of the more genuine girls in the suburbs or provinces as people need to realise what dating norms they can be up against before dropping cash on a ticket to Europe. Bangs really will take longer and on a week trip probably won't happen at all. Like Prosal said you really need three weeks to start getting it moving along nicely. You have to decide if its worth it to you or not. A recent case in point that is typical of many of the provincial types I have known: I met a Siberian girl from the city of Gorno Altaisk. It took me three dates just to kiss her. Two more to get her to rub my cock under the table in a restaurant. Two more until we were naked together. Three more until we banged. Ten dates spread out over about two weeks. In the UK I usually bang on the first night or second rarely have to wait till the third date. So why go through that, why travel to the FSU for something that can take that long? Well the girl was 23, was studying at Russia's most prestigious university, played the violin to a very high standard, slim, attractive, multi lingual, cultured and charming company. She had also only had four boyfriends and lost her virginity at 18. She also wouldn't answer her phone to anyone when we were out on a date together. Now that the trust is there she is also very open with me sexually and wiling to experiment sexually. So my point is you have to put in more effort with these conservative girls BUT you will find women who are more rounded and genuine than the club types to be found on the Kreschatic and who you'll get more fun from long term.

[Eddie Morra]

(06-30-2013 05:45 AM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

(06-27-2013 07:40 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(06-24-2013 09:28 PM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

(06-24-2013 07:23 PM)GameTheory Wrote:  

okay, so how do i go about finding "normal" women in .UA/.RU ??? i want to avoid sponsorettes, pros, and semi-pros as i am seeking LTR/marriage material

Don't hang out where those types hang out.
Learn the language.

Most tourists head straight to the centre of Kiev. That place is inundated with hookers and semi-pros and gold diggers. They all go there to find a customer. The problem is that most tourists don't have the balls or the gumption to hit the suburbs where you come across a totally different atmosphere and type of girl. You dont have to go far, take the metro a few stops from the Kreschatic and youre in a different world. Even in Kiev central you can find good women but not in expensive clubs. Find the girls who are not slutting it up in Fire and Ice and instead talk to the girls working in Puzata Hata. The friendly girl in the cafe in the underpass, ask her out. The flower seller by the war memorial, invite her for a drink after work. It's not difficult BUT do you have the patience? The thing is non sluts over there are conservative, more so than Americans or Brits. So you need a few dates or longer. If you're in town for a weekend though will you want to wait that long? Also without Russian you are limited to your choice and so you kind of need the women who speak great English but that brings you back into the centre where English levels are better due to the women being around foreigners more. Once you have conversational Russian the whole game changes because you can be bolder and go further from the commonly trodden path. But the dichotomy is again, it's harder with those good girls because they have values BUT you will find women who aren't all about your wallet and that you can have a deeper connection with.

The reason they do this is time. And travel distance.

If you are coming from say San Diego or Orange County California (or LA or SF), to Kiev, you are in for quite a journey.

I am sure the last thing you want to do is hop on a bus to the suburbs or Kiev.

Or take a train to tier 3 and tier 8 cities in Ukraine.

Which also begs the question, why would you travel half way around the world to hang out in the suburbs?

Some guys may love that, and more power to them.

G if some guy is willing to go to the hassle and expense of flying to Kiev from San Diego or Orange County and then upon arrival cannot be bothered to take a twenty minute metro ride to the suburbs, well then he will get little sympathy from me when he finds nothing but gold diggers and semi-pros.

"Which also begs the question, why would you travel half way around the world to hang out in the suburbs?"

It comes down to what you're after:

Are you on a week long trip to bang a few girls? If yes then hit the centre where women's morals are more liquid and malleable. If you just want to bang then that is ideal. Hit Vodka bar, go to Dockers, target the girls seated upstairs in the Irish Pub near the Maidan. It's your best chance of getting a quick bang.

If however you have had your fill of those types and see through the bullshit and mind games they play and in all honesty maybe are seeking something more long term than a bang or two, maybe someone to keep on the slow burner long term, then spend your evenings away from those places and take a few stops down the line to suburban stations. It's incredible just how little distance you need to be the only foreigner in the place and to meet a more genuine type of girl ( this is for all FSU capitols ). Your question also implied that the centers are superior to the suburbs. I'd counter that. Centers are overpriced rip offs but with shinier objects in them ( decor and girls ), suburbs are half the price and often less of a fake or posing atmosphere. Win-win.

I do have to emphasize the conservatism though of the more genuine girls in the suburbs or provinces as people need to realise what dating norms they can be up against before dropping cash on a ticket to Europe. Bangs really will take longer and on a week trip probably won't happen at all. Like Prosal said you really need three weeks to start getting it moving along nicely. You have to decide if its worth it to you or not. A recent case in point that is typical of many of the provincial types I have known: I met a Siberian girl from the city of Gorno Altaisk. It took me three dates just to kiss her. Two more to get her to rub my cock under the table in a restaurant. Two more until we were naked together. Three more until we banged. Ten dates spread out over about two weeks. In the UK I usually bang on the first night or second rarely have to wait till the third date. So why go through that, why travel to the FSU for something that can take that long? Well the girl was 23, was studying at Russia's most prestigious university, played the violin to a very high standard, slim, attractive, multi lingual, cultured and charming company. She had also only had four boyfriends and lost her virginity at 18. She also wouldn't answer her phone to anyone when we were out on a date together. Now that the trust is there she is also very open with me sexually and wiling to experiment sexually. So my point is you have to put in more effort with these conservative girls BUT you will find women who are more rounded and genuine than the club types to be found on the Kreschatic and who you'll get more fun from long term.

I'd just add that:
-your Russian needs to be up to snuff if you're going to succeed outside the center.
-you need to know where to go.
-more attention as being the only foreigner in a place has both positives and negatives, like problems with local guys, muggings, etc. although one shouldn't be paranoid, just something to consider.

The center has some other positives and negatives as well:

-Many, if not most women want or expect to see/meet foreigners.
-English levels are higher, although that can be a negative as well. I'm always sceptical when I meet women with exceptionally good English. They, half the time, have some kind of agenda. How did they learn it? At University, languages courses, good jobs with foreign companies, do they come from well to do families? Or did they learn it from talking to guys like you via skype, icq. meeting foreigners in bars? I'm always sceptical when a woman tells me she just learned it on her own, by watching films or some other bullshit.

Anyway, most of the other negatives have been discussed already on this and other threads.

[Roosh]

Quote:

'm always sceptical when I meet women with exceptionally good English. They, half the time, have some kind of agenda.

I interrogate them on it.

"Why is your English so good?"
"Did you go to a special private school?"
"Did you have a foreign boyfriend?"
"Do you have foreign friends?"
"Are you looking for a foreign husband?"

It's a great opportunity to put her on defense.

Almost always she will admit to having "one" foreign boyfriend.

"How was he different than your Ukrainian boyfriends?"
"Do you have higher expectations for foreign boyfriends than local ones?"

Ukrainian women think men who don't at least try to dig in for the truth are naive. She respects you more for doing it.