[Greek kamaki]

(05-08-2013 04:01 PM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

Greek, out of interest do you offer things to them directly and verbalise things so directly, as in "I will visit you and buy you a mink coat and you will spend a week with me in return" kind of thing? I think I remember in 'Bang Ukraine' Roosh wrote about a local dude he met in Kharkov who he said when on the first date would lay out on the table exactly ( figuratively ) what he expected from the woman so both sides knew where they stood and they could both decide if it was mutually agreeable. It's a very direct way of doing things but no doubt saves a lot of wasted dates and time for both parties. Is this what you do? I think that such directness which would be somewhat uncouth in the west is actually the way that many women prefer things to be done in the East.

I ask in most part because of the two Russian girls I had over in Nice recently: they want to come visit me in Nice again in July when I will be back here. I want to have a week of threesomes with them so the usual way to get that would be from me gaming them into bed but I'm coming to the conclusion that I'd be better off just telling them before they come out that I expect them both to share my bed and if that is not agreeable that they should not come. It's very direct but I think such directness might be the way to approach these women.

Prosal, Greek, Harry??

It is like asking advice from diplomats on negotiations:"Do you set your terms directly in the bargain or do you follow a procedure with mutual retreats? When do you reveal your clear intentions?"
It is obvious there can be no clear answer.You act by your judgement of the other part' s plans, sincerity, readiness to fulfill the agreement.The knowledge of real price value in the current market is important because many girls try to overpriced themselves. The technique is to give the lowest possible and get the maximum possible. Soviet women know very well that in every agreement there is a winner and a defeated part and they always try to be the winner. So you have to have iron guts to endure their manipulations and surprise elements. They continually test your potential and boundaries what they call your manliness. Nothing hidden for the Balkan individual. Some negotiations are complex and byzantine in nature but if you are not familiar with the culture you cannot understand the mutual deceiving procedures and the apparent lack of persistence to rules.
Personality counts a lot.

As for the second you should in no way imply them directly a threesome.They have already decided about it and they have found you worthy as they choose to return.So telling them directly about threesome would reduce their freedom and be viewed as unacceptable. It is sth to say to Ukrainian or polish not to Russian girls who are supposed to provide the most complete experience and satisfaction (mental, psychical and physical) while polish or Ukrainian girls are purposed for just physical satisfaction due to their provincial origin sth they are aware of.

[_Samo_]

I don't have much experience with Russian women, but can someone experienced with Russian women tell me whether it's best to call them out on their lies/bullshit/manipulation or just go along with it? My first instinct when I know a girl is lying about something is to usually call them out on their shit, but I am thinking it maybe the wrong thing to do now, nothing positive usually comes from it, what do you think?

[Greek kamaki]

It is better to stop contact than to call them out. Slavic women do not like behaviour suggedtions they want to be free. If you want them in cage you have to pay for it.

[Prosal]

(05-08-2013 04:35 AM)Prosal Wrote:  

in Moscow and Piter, there is a whole generation of office staff/young professional dyev that has enough money to travel extensively, already in possession of Shengen visas that they either acquired through work or got from previous holidays,

May weekends are always good. Russian girls never have enough of Paris.



   

[Greek kamaki]

French connoisseurs should be eternally grateful to Napoleon and his Russian adventure.

[Prosal]

(05-12-2013 06:55 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

French connoisseurs should be eternally grateful to Napoleon and his Russian adventure.

The devotion for french culture in Russia started before Napoleon. French was the second language of the Russian Empire from Peter I the Great's reign in the beginning of the 18th century (you demonstrated your nobility by being fluent in it). Later Catherine the Great was particularly admirative of french culture and admired the french court as the centre of the intellectual world and as the pinnacle of sophistication. This did not completely die off during the Napoleonic Wars, despite the fact that they were fighting the French.

I find that many russian girls and women, and not necessarily the most learned and cultured, still have this inconscient love (and some of them, it's almost an obsession) for anything french. Which is great (wink).

[Partizan]

(05-12-2013 08:27 AM)Prosal Wrote:  

(05-12-2013 06:55 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

French connoisseurs should be eternally grateful to Napoleon and his Russian adventure.

The devotion for french culture in Russia started before Napoleon. French was the second language of the Russian Empire from Peter I the Great's reign in the beginning of the 18th century (you demonstrated your nobility by being fluent in it). Later Catherine the Great was particularly admirative of french culture and admired the french court as the centre of the intellectual world and as the pinnacle of sophistication. This did not completely die off during the Napoleonic Wars, despite the fact that they were fighting the French.

I find that many russian girls and women, and not necessarily the most learned and cultured, still have this inconscient love (and some of them, it's almost an obsession) for anything french. Which is great (wink).

Bingo. I learned French in school am a bit rusty now but I can concur with that. My French is at an ok conversational level and I rarely get to use it. I did chat up this Russian bird at the Ural Railway University Xmas party in my best French and she just lapped it up. Her French was far better than mine. I had the ears burning of the other dyevs in the adjoining tables sitting with their mono-lingual, blue collared, uncultured and busted looking boyfriends. They were undoubtedly thinking of myself as a cultured and educated bloke chatting in another European language (my third language).

Russian girls love French or anything to do with it. There is an Alliance Francaise in my town so it would not be a bad thing to go down there and brush up on my French with other French speakers. Remember that the vast majority of Russians can only speak Russian, especially those outside of the middle and upper classes (roughly 75% of the population). As a bloke speaking to them in Russian or French for that matter marks you off as completely different to the local lads, i.e. you are presentable, cultured and educated.

[Prosal]

(05-12-2013 08:54 AM)Partizan Wrote:  

Alliance Francaise

You publicize one of my favorite spots to chase girls abroad !! (smilie)

As a side note, there is a dozen of Alliances Francaises in Russia - including one in Ekaterinburg, which could be interesting for your September trip.

http://afrus.ru/ru

PS: For those who maybe ask themselves "Alliance frenchie, what the fuck is that? ", Alliance Francaise is an organization whose mission is to promote french language and french culture outside France. Its primary concern is teaching french as a second or more likely third language and organizing cultural events. There's about 1200 locations in 130 different countries. In a place like Brasil, there's some 70 Alliances throughout the country, six just in Rio. A goldmine - when you are french (Big Grin emoticon).

[Icarus]

(05-12-2013 08:27 AM)Prosal Wrote:  

I find that many russian girls and women, and not necessarily the most learned and cultured, still have this inconscient love (and some of them, it's almost an obsession) for anything french. Which is great (wink).

The German Intelligence during WWII agrees with you. Here's the Abwehr's assessment of Russian women:

Quote:

Despite the generally demoralizing effect of Communism, Russian women had retained the high moral standards accredited to them. The Soviet system had influenced them to a lesser degree than the men. Russian women kept their word, were less amenable to bribery than the men, detested all excesses, and frowned on work for material gain only. Most Russian women were very strong and of great endurance, and were able to withstand pain as well as hunger, thirst, and cold far better than spiritual privation. Apart from these character traits, they owed their mental formation to the influence of foreign, especially to French, literature. They were influenced by the novels of de Maupassant, which were relatively well known in the USSR. Soviet propaganda also exerted a certain influence, pointing out that the Westerner, educated under capitalism, looked to women as a means to satisfy his carnal desires and neglected completely their personalities.

[Prosal]

(05-13-2013 09:15 AM)Icarus Wrote:  

The German Intelligence during WWII agrees with you. Here's the Abwehr's assessment of Russian women:

Very interesting read, thanks.

About the Russian female agents and their tasks and training, I know from a reliable source that during the Soviet era there was "sucking schools" in the cadre of a secret government sponsored program for a diabolic masterful scheme for world blowjob domination, where dozens thousands of young women were trained to do things such the art of breathing with hot dogs in their throats, without gagging, and with their nostrils pinched closed. Those women later teached their art to their daughters, who themselves teached it to their daughters, ect.

This would explain why Russian (and Ukrainian for that matter) women are still world's best experts for sucking cocks.

[Greek kamaki]

Yes, like BLAD.

http://exile.ru/articles/detail.php?ARTI...LOCK_ID=35

Anyway communism had catastrophic results on morals.Women behaved in ways unheard of in the West.All and all a very complex situation with grotesque lowering of morals to the bottom.

[POHammer]

French, Spanish, English...they love all these languages.

The trouble is, its so hard to maintain a language you don't use.

I used to be able to read novels entirely in Spanish....now, I can barely utter a few sentences.

Even my English is fading away. For a while, I tried to convert my web browsing/movie/TV entirely to Russian...... but now I listen to English language news just so I don't forget English!

I truly admire those who can maintain multiple languages and find ways to continuosly practice them.

[macDamon]

I'm moving to Moscow soon and wonder if their is still any mystique about being an American man, to the ladies there. I get the reason why so many women there have a French fetish; I grudgingly give France the 1st place global gold medal, when it comes to culture/food/fashion/design/language...but there must be something equally, if not more, satisfying in fucking the brains out of a Cold War rival...after all, nuclear I.C.B.M.s are far more flinch-worthy, and thus sexier, than baguettes.

[DirectDanger]

Another good video fromt the guys at "Real Russia" at a Moscow park. Holly shit there is some talent running around!

[hayesbrandon30]

How accurate is what she saying?

[samsamsam]

Russian newspapers report a break out with water with lemon pickups leading to ONSs.

On a serious note, I would be curious too!

[Prosal]

(05-14-2013 08:49 PM)hayesbrandon30 Wrote:  

How accurate is what she saying?

There is of course MANY various tactics and techniques to meet girls in a bar or a club and get them to your bed. Here is a GREAT piece of writing of a friend from another forum about those techniques (mine is more like "The Player"):

Here is an incomplete definition of tactical terminology:

1) The Octopus: This is the classic flirting method in FSU and EE. The Octopus simply means you should pretend you have 8 arms and just grope and grovel all over her until she finally:

a) gets all wet and excited and can’t stop herself
b) goes into toxic shock and can no longer resist

This is really one of the top methods and should be mastered with simple practice. Works best with very young girls who are curious + carefree or “girls” over 30 who are happy to get any attention at all. Recent field tests have revealed a new Octopus Tactic resistant strain of 20ish dyevki populating a number of Moscow clubs. These can often be defeated by utilizing the Octopus on Tequila tactic, but caution is recommended. You never know where this might lead. When Octopus isn’t functioning, you may want to try another favorite of mine:

2) The Schizo: Originally developed to woo over a surprisingly nervous and inexperienced 36 year old kindergarden teacher by asking her to let the young curious girl in her out, it was redeveloped and proved most effective in convincing young, nervous and uncertain girls (often with religious beliefs or living with babushka) to explore their femininity. In many cases, the uncertain, nervous girl turned out to be a cock-hungry demonka with an insatiable desire to bone and suck.

The Schizo is simple. When you realize she is uncertain about what she should do, you become “Mr.Understanding” and enquire about her uncertainty. Perhaps her apparent uncertainty is merely faux morality that is easily decoded or perhaps it is indeed the dreaded M word. Morality. Morality is notoriously contagious, so it is best to avoid her girlfriends, at least until you’ve done the deed at least once and she is immune to morality and forever your on-call fuckbunny.

Anyway, so you enquire about her uncertainty, and develop the conversation in such a way that you compare her uncertainty with the behavior of a little girl. This will likely make her feel slightly embarrassed, and you suggest that she is schizo and cannot decide if she is a little girl or a young woman.

Note: I don’t suggest actually using the word “schizo” when describing her “condition” to her. Unexpected negative results may occur..

If you have selected the right tactic and applied it at the right time (for example after 5 Baileys) she will be cast into a turmoil of inner conflict, fighting her own embarrassment for being so uncosmopolitan while at the same time asking herself if she indeed does need to “do more” (do more guys) to become a real woman.

It is a risky tactic, as if it doesn’t work right away it may create mental blockage in the female and she may remain in a near paralysis state of laming schizophrenia for the course of the evening, blocking your 10 and 12 pm fuck time slots and effectively ruining your evening.

3) The Exorcist: The Exorcist means “getting the demon out”. It isn’t a true exorcism, as ultimately you want that little demon of debauchery to stay in her, but you do need to conjure it out of her to release her sexual hunger. Rather than the full-fledged Octopus assault (or perhaps as a change of tactics when she fends off the Octopus), the Exorcist requires some (but really remarkably little) insight into the female psyche. You must find that “button” that turns her on and push it repeatedly. Sometimes that button is a clit and one must make digital or oral contact to activate it, sometimes it is the often-ignored tits, which is a key erogenous zone for a large percentage of women.

During my exorcisms I like to apply neck kisses, some light biting, firm yet discreet ass-grabbing and the outbursts of passionate kissing set in contrast to teasing playful almost kisses. The TPaKs are really a fine technique. Drives girls wild.

The Exorcist may be applied in conjunction with other techniques to achieve maximum sexual results.

4) Total Rapture: When applying Total Rapture you must be certain of the nature of your targets romantic nature. Total Rapture should only be applied to very romantic girls who at least need some semblance of romance and love before spreading. Total Rapture is not for the timid, Total Rapture involves extensive lying and the delicate application of half-truths and the extremely effective TLT, the Temporary Love Transition, this zen-like condition in which you temporarily actually believe that you are in love with the girl and you apply all the corny romantic clichés you can cough up. I really don’t like this tactic, despite its effectiveness, as it involves syrupy lies and saying things guys just really don’t like to say. Not necessarily using the catastrophic L word, but certainly lots of “your eyes are like sapphires”, “at this moment we are alone in the universe, our souls come closer” and “I need to be near you, now and always” bullshit. Some girls, usually extremely boring and sexually inhibited, really require this tactic…and hearing these words.

The danger in randomly applying Total Rapture is that you may inadvertently scare off a girl who doesn’t want to get serious fast but just wants sexual adventure, you may turn off a girl who likes tough, direct men as opposed to hyper-romantic neo-poets (a common desire among Russian women is for men to be direct and aggressive) or you may accidentally create the impression of a serious relationship in her dyev brain. This may very well change her behavior to your disliking and ruin your week.

In my opinion, Total Rapture generally should be applied as a supplement to other tactics, but not be the focal point of your assault. Nonetheless, I have had to apply it in full force upon occasion. I simply had no choice.

5) The Hand Grenade in the Fish Tank: When in a target rich environment, such as 111 or Karma Bar, you can afford to MIRV your approach and hit multiple targets early in an effort to reveal their nature and avoid late night disappointments. The idea behind it is to hit many targets early and hope that of the 10-15 you hit, you’ll get 3-5 that bite and ultimately have to merely select your concussion stunned victim and drag her home. This isn’t one of my favorite tactics, nor is it a favorite of RM, but I do know many guys who apply it with occasional, and sometimes remarkable, success. It is a fun tactic as well, as it is fairly easy and you meet a lot of people. I suggest using this tactic early in the evening or during the peak of the evening, while crowds are still large.

Using this one late night as a bottom-feeding technique will bag the occasional lonely and/or drunk bird, however it could also make you look really pathetic as you chat up every single girl in the place and everybody observes you being shot down repeatedly. If you are achieving no success with the tactic at all, it may in fact be best to go to a different club and start off with a clean slate.

One should avoid using this tactic in the same premises on consecutive weekends or nights. Especially in smaller clubs, you will soon develop a reputation that will hinder your success.

6) The Player: This works best with an equal caliber wingman and involves ignoring most every girl in the place and audibly having a good time with your mate, drinking cocktails and enjoying yourself as if you didn’t have a care in the world, or better yet, owned it. You’ll get attention and your aloofness will intrigue them. Best applied with stylish and refined clothes, power watch, nice shoes, ect. If your patience holds, you will likely get approached in some way by the ladies after some time. This is an effective tactic especially with more sophisticated and better-looking girls… the kind who are used to getting hit on 20 times a night and rejecting all 20. Allow her, at least at this stage in the game, to be the huntress. Your carefree joy, wealth and success represented by the stylish clothes, watch and shoes, are the bait… a most effective one in FSU. Even if you aren’t approached early, getting exposure at this stage and ignoring all the ladies will make your approach later in the evening easier as she will have the flattering impression that she is somehow special and SHE scored a player.

7) “le Artiste”: I like this one, appealing to the romantic nature of girls without being sappy, and instead obsessing about art, photography and capturing the beauty of the moment. There is a little Total Rapture in it, but in fact you are not focused on the female, but rather on enjoying life itself…to the point of gluttony. This self-confident obsessive behavior appeals to many girls and they become fascinated by it. If she is interested, it is usually not too difficult to convince her to pose for “art”. If she is willing to pose for art, she is willing to fuck you.

Numerous additional tactics also come into use, and I am certain that most mongers have applied the above in some variation when developing their own techniques. Notable ones that I never apply that come to mind are the “millionaire Playboy”, “Heartbroken”, “the Idiot Tourist”, "El Guapo", “Dance Academy” and “Talent Scout”.

Notoriously ineffective in FSU are “Shy Guy”, “Urban Cowboy” and “the Home Video Librarian”.

Although having a plan is a good idea and I really do apply them in one form or another, it's important to remember that in love and war, when the shooting starts, the original battle plan often goes out the window. Adapting to field conditions is the true art of mongering.

[Prosal]

(05-14-2013 08:49 PM)hayesbrandon30 Wrote:  

How accurate is what she saying?

More seriously, I assume that EVERY girl in a bar or a club in FSU is available if the conditions are right (meaning you can charm her/tweak her interest). Girls going there are not looking to meet the guy to spend the rest of their life with, they go there to have fun and if the mood is right, they MIGHT go home with someone. For us, it's all about being that someone.

I've always felt that on most club nights, if I wasn't successful it was because I screwed something up... like being too passive, too drunk or just had bad luck selecting the wrong girls to hit on. 

[Akula]

(05-13-2013 07:07 PM)DirectDanger Wrote:  

Another good video fromt the guys at "Real Russia" at a Moscow park. Holly shit there is some talent running around!

I was there on Sunday and will be back this weekend...it really is unreal, just tons of 7s, 8s and 9s all over in short skirts, but there are a fair bit of girls in groups or with boyfriends.

I did not see as many single chicks there so as I was dolo it was a bit more difficult, but plenty of opportunities there. My game needs a lot of work so I didn't get anywhere but will be back!

[Prosal]

Russian women are notorious for testing your boundaries.

A recent anecdote, with a upper-class moscovite that I have dated recently. It was a first date. We already had five or six cocktails each, and I perfectly know that when a Russian woman begins to drink, it's that she wants to fuck. It's a VERY positive message that she sends you. But she still tried to "test" me. She looked at me very seriously and said that I was a very nice guy, but that we could ONLY be friends, and asked if it was ok for me. Hmm. I knew it was BS. It was a test. If I had answered "yes, no problems", I would have appeared like a stooge, a guy not even able to be forward about what he wants, a guy not worth an adventure with. So I just looked at her without a word and smiled in an ironic but indulgent way, to make her feel that I perfectly knew that what she just said was only childish BS not worth an answer. And without even asking if she wanted to drink more, I ordered two other mojitos. One hour later she was in my bed for some 1000 mph no-holds-barred rough and dirty sex.

The morning after, at my place:

   

[Akula]

(05-15-2013 04:18 AM)Prosal Wrote:  

Russian women are notorious for testing your boundaries.

A recent anecdote, with a upper-class moscovite that I have dated recently. It was a first date. We already had five or six cocktails each, and I perfectly know that when a Russian woman begins to drink, it's that she wants to fuck. It's a VERY positive message that she sends you. But she still tried to "test" me. She looked at me very seriously and said that I was a very nice guy, but that we could ONLY be friends, and asked if it was ok for me. Hmm. I knew it was BS. It was a test. If I had answered "yes, no problems", I would have appeared like a stooge, a guy not even able to be forward about what he wants, a guy not worth an adventure with. So I just looked at her without a word and smiled in an ironic but indulgent way, to make her feel that I perfectly knew that what she just said was only childish BS not worth an answer. And without even asking if she wanted to drink more, I ordered two other mojitos. One hour later she was in my bed for some 1000 mph no-holds-barred rough and dirty sex.

The morning after, at my place:

Nice work, good 'frame' and response (or lack thereof). Comletely agree on the drinking thing with Russian women, but my problem is that I'm such an alike I sometimes blow myself up stupidly and get too drunk...gotta work on that.

[Icarus]

(05-15-2013 02:54 AM)Prosal Wrote:  

There is of course MANY various tactics and techniques to meet girls in a bar or a club and get them to your bed. Here is a GREAT piece of writing of a friend from another forum about those techniques (mine is more like "The Player")

I wish I could give you an extra rep point for that one. Excellent!

[Prosal]

(05-15-2013 05:02 AM)Akula Wrote:  

good 'frame'

Thanks. You are totally right to use this word "frame". Deep down inside her russkaya dusha, a russian woman yearns for a real man who will dominate her, slap her around (not physically, but mentaly) a little when she's bad and keep her in line.

[betterasianbrother]

Reviving this old thread. Some nuggets from Prosal, too bad he's banned now.

Anybody have experience with young Russian girls? I'm talking like 18 year olds. The below happened to me recently and I'm a bit lost in my analysis:


I met a young Russian girl on the street after a night out and went direct but charismatic/charming, great confident frame and always leading, followed by the right escalation (kiss, lots of touching), and she came over to my apartment as the sun rose, asking me to promise that we would not do anything sexual. Of course, as is typical with young girls, once they are in your crib and the touching gets heavy, clothes come off real quick. She tells me that "she has never had sex before" (I'm not 100% convinced), but has absolutely brilliant BJ skills (as is common with most Russians). Anyway, after an entire morning and early afternoon well spent (goddam what a tight body!!!), I take her out to get something small to eat before dropping her off at the metro. During this time, while we sat outside eating our sandwiches, she asked me questions like, "What do you think of me? What happens now?" etc. etc., to which I answered along the lines of "I think you are sweet" and "ya I'd like to see you again", thinking that I should build some comfort after moving so fast with this precious young thing. Anyway, kiss and wave goodbye and return to the crib to catch on some sleep.

The next day I hit her up with a "test" message just to check in, some mundane shit like "did you find ur way home" and she answered somewhat cheerfully with "of course how are you?". I replied with some stupid answer about some task I was doing (a simple "good" probably would have sufficed), and she didn't reply after that. A few days later I hit her up with a text asking what she's doing and she takes several hours to respond saying she is in class, and then I proceed to be direct and tell her I want to see her, and she simply replies "I can't today". Our convo ended there. The vibe felt off and entirely like she has gone to her kind's favourite habitat -- the Russian Ice Queen zone. This is surprising to me because I figured a young girl who supposedly just lost her virginity on first meeting would be a little bit more needy afterwards, or at least show interested in meeting again, especially one who did not grow up in the West. Am I right in my assumption or have the times really changed that much?

Anyway, I am rather surprised with this development. I hate being a bitch so my current game plan is simply "nexting" and not messaging her again, especially considering I may have sounded a little bit needy with my previous messages, when I thought I was being "direct" and trying to take what I want. But I am always trying to analyze the psychological state of our female prizes, and I am unsure with this one, seeing that I have zero experience dealing with such a young species of the legendary Ice Queen family. The pickup was so effortless and natural, and the experience itself so beautiful, that I cannot help but slightly rue such a feeble ending.

RVF thinkers and players, your thoughts?

[churros]

This has nothing to do with the particularities of Russian girls. It should actually be in the newbie lounge.

You are coming to too strong. Don't text her the next day. See other women. This is not a case where you should "next" her either. Give it a few days and then text her again. Maybe even a week.