Quote: (02-26-2013 09:26 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:
Quote: (02-26-2013 03:10 AM)Nonpareil Wrote:
More of a general observation on the city than a game one. I've lived in quite a few places in Southern Ontario (TO included), and I've fucked way more girls from smaller towns and cities (London, Hamilton, Waterloo, Kingston, Ottawa etc etc etc) than I have Toronto girls.
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One thing people who haven't been to, or haven't lived in Toronto don't understand; Vegas is Sin City, NYC is the City that never sleeps, LA is Hollywood...if I were to suggest a name for Toronto, it'd be The City of the Overstatement (another point...the city lacks its own identity, which is why the media jizzes in their pants whenever they get compared to London or NYC, but that's neither here nor there). There isn't a city on the planet with a bigger inferiority complex than Toronto; it seems like a lot of people want the city to be New York, but there can only be one New York.
This is a city with a metro population of around 6 million people, yet when there were 52 gun-related homicides one year, it was dubbed 'the year of the gun' (compare to Kansas City, about 40% the size of Toronto, where there were 90 gun-related homicides in 2012).
This is a city where bad game can get you arrested (a few years ago something similar happened at Vaughan Mills, but I can't find the news story).
This is a city where some man with the audacity to speak about the trials faced by boys in today's feminized society is protested down.
This is a city where, if it's hockey team makes the playoffs, even if they get smacked in four or five games in the first round (which is the most likely result), there will be people cheering and dancing in the streets like Earth Mother Gaia, the Goddess of Femininity and Tolerance, just showed up and decided to walk around giving out life lessons and free blowjobs, and three years later will still be talking about it.
Do you see where I'm going with all this? Minor, inconsequential shit (well okay, the gun-violence isn't minor or inconsequential, but it's certainly not a city where you're unsafe walking alone at night) gets blown out of proportion. Relevance is given to things that are irrelevant, and this impacts the personality of the locals far deeper than you can imagine.
Not just the events and the news; everything is overstated in Toronto; the political correctness (I read that the new premier is a dyke...get the fuck outta here), the Feminism, the sensationalized news, the gradual Socialization of the country; if you hate one aspect of Canadian culture in a place like Moose Jaw, Digby or Flin Flon, it's fifty times worse in Toronto. The city is simultaneously self-important and afraid of anything that differs even slightly from the mean. As women take their cues largely from the environment that they live in (how many times you meet a girl and she meets new friends, and suddenly she's walking, talking and acting like them?), you can't help but make the obvious connection; Toronto women's shitty attitudes come from the sensationalized, staid environment in which they live.
Add in thirsty guys with no game, nightmarish logistics and the fact that most of the choicest girls are locked into LTRs (though I've found quite many of them like to have a 'secret' guy on the side, either for the purpose of variety, affirmation or monkey-branching...I have been more than one girl's 'secret' guy, and my game veers more into chilled-out and icy-veined pimp than dancing-clown skullduggery, something to consider; because they have so many options, building attraction with Toronto lizards is more important than building rapport) you can see why it's not exactly a super-easy scene. To get laid consistently with high-quality women in Toronto, you basically need at least intermediate-level game (among which having good frame is paramount - these chicks will test you until the day you drop dead) and three of four things; a good social circle, favorable logistics, status or reputation and CA$H. It's also a place where you almost need to be good looking and sharply-dressed to even stand a chance, but I'm not wanting to ignite the powder-keg of looks versus game.
The real sad thing? With the massive variety of girls (where else can you bang a hipster girl, a Puerto Rican girl, an Okinawan girl and a blonde-haired-blue-eyed co-ed in the same month, outside of NYC?), Toronto really could be great, but it's always been a place where people come to work and make a living, not to live it up, and what does this create? thirsty guys with zero game and self-important women.
The upside? If you put in the work and get the results, you massively flatten your game learning curve.
Dude smashed it out of the yard and I know longer need to add to this thread. +1 from me.
LOL, thought I was the only one who uses that monkey-branch theory.
It's been in my WordPad for a while, and I've just been waiting to spring it on you guys in the latest monthly edition of 'What the fuck is wrong with Toronto?'
I actually heard the term 'monkey-branching' from my (based in Toronto) friend, and it's definitely a thing, the female-version of plate-spinning.
Massive importance added to everyday occurrences (Toronto is a very fertile breeding ground for manufactured drama) + Corporate atmosphere (Watch a Leafs or Raptors game and count the number of suits and guys on their Blackberries) + terrible logistics (the only way you can reasonably expect to do damage without a car is if you live in the tiny square between St. Clair, Bathurst and the DVP) + ridiculously expensive + over-the-top Feminism and PC + the birthplace of PUA (these girls have seen it all) = Not an easy place for an overwhelming percentage of men to get laid (I also get the feeling that the ratios are off).
Yet another sad thing? There is some good talent there; not a top-scene like Miami, Montreal or NYC, but definitely charting up near the top of the second-tier. Unfortunately, all the Feminism, political correctness, bad game and alarmist tendencies means that the best girls have boyfriends (or again, a boyfriend and a fuck-buddy that they'll call every few weeks, good gig if you can get it) and all the average girls think that they're hot and act it.
I have little doubt when a guy like G (who has game, wears suits, carries a bankroll and stays in top spots close to the action) says he does well here; Toronto girls eat guys like that up, considering that the mean level of game is worse than anywhere else in North America outside of the hipster-infested Pacific Northwest.
But not all of us have 20 years in the game, wear suits, stay in the centre and carry fat stacks of cash with us everywhere we go. I know that there has to be something we're all overlooking; something small, something big, I don't know, but I KNOW that there is some way that the place can be cracked...