[Mage]

Imagine for a second that you have forgotten all the red pill knowledge or that magically red pill stops working and blue pill becomes your reality. In this reality the only way to get a woman to have sex with you would be trough a relationship with her and the only way how to establish that relationship would be trough.... begging!!! Hardcorely soft self humiliating tearful public in internet-forever-saved begging preferably in lame rhymes supported by buying her buckets of red roses, promising to love her unconditionally and threatening to commit suicide (but not actually committing it)if she doesn't become your girlfriend. In this reality the one who begs the hardest gets the woman.

This is not a global condition. Other men might or might not get women trough other means, you are not sure about that, but for you - for you this is magically the only option.

In this reality, where this would be the only way to to get girls and the hotter the girl the more begging necessary - would you play the game? Or would you pridefully live a celibate life to preserve your dignity? Perhaps you would go half the way for instance beg her in private but never do it in public? Or what would be your limit?

Please be honest in this. What would you choose and how far would you go with your choice?

[Asaxon]

Difficult one... maybe I would travel abroad or find a middle road to avoid humiliation in front of friends and family. Hard to imagine celibacy but public humiliations a la megatron wedding proposals mortify me! I even cringe when seeing those kinds of scenes on tv or when a co-worker gets flowers sent to the office. My thought in the latter case is not "Oh how nice" but "What an idiot! $100 for a few roses and all it does is cement your status as chump."

[Sombro]

Love without dignity isn't love. I think they call it oneitis.

And love isn't something one can beg for and have it magically turned on like a switch. Kinda like a boner test.

[aphelion]

"Day Beg" by RooshV.

[Kitsune]

You'd have to completely flip biology on it's head.

I mean, most species procreate through absolute physical strength - i.e. survival of the fittest specimens.
For this to be a global condition, you'd have to have survival of the most dependent.

In humans, it would literally be survival of the weakest - because women would select the most co-dependent men, or the men with the least options.

In this world, such a thing would never happen. You can't receive love by being the weakest, most desperate man you could be.

And even if you could, it'd be but a swing away from an evolutionary stable strategy, because eventually women would have no choice when stronger, less dependent men invaded this tribe and forcibly took the women.

[Mage]

Please dont be a boring smartass like Kitsune and just reply what you would do if such a situation would MAGICALLY occur and do not bother explaining why it it not possible because we all know that.

I am asking this because I am trying to figure out what happens in a mind of a game denialist or a guy who humiliates himself in a way that guy in: "Don't be this guy" thread. You see convincing many guys about true nature of women is very hard and I want you to try to imagine what you would do if you would see world with their eyes.

Asaxon gave a good answer. Thank you.

[bacan]

What if you felt an intense, overpowering sex drive... but in your reality the only sex you knew was giving handjobs to men in highway truck stops???

[Lemmo]

(03-19-2013 11:23 PM)Mage Wrote:  

Please dont be a boring smartass like Kitsune and just reply what you would do if such a situation would MAGICALLY occur and do not bother explaining why it it not possible because we all know that.

I am asking this because I am trying to figure out what happens in a mind of a game denialist or a guy who humiliates himself in a way that guy in: "Don't be this guy" thread. You see convincing many guys about true nature of women is very hard and I want you to try to imagine what you would do if you would see world with their eyes.

Asaxon gave a good answer. Thank you.

Well, that is a different question than the one you first posed since your initial question seemed to assume that the guy making the choice knows he is humiliating himself. My impression is that blue pill guys don't see their sniveling/begging as humiliating. There is a whole framework of customs/myths/tradition/religion (reinforced by male instinct) that get men to serve women. A blue piller puts a woman up on a pedestal, thinks she is pure and good and superior and it is his privilege and duty to serve her. Whatever pleases her is right. And there are plenty of people who will applaud his behavior (say it is romantic or generous or being a good family man). Think of the old cliche of the guy throwing his cashmere overcoat on the puddle so the woman doesn't get wet feet. Although these aspects of the culture are fortunately dying off, there are all sorts of cultural delusions out there that will allow a guy to pretend he isn't humiliating himself (and of course 51% of the population has an incentive to encourage such behavior).

[Mage]

(03-20-2013 04:28 AM)Lemmo Wrote:  

(03-19-2013 11:23 PM)Mage Wrote:  

Please dont be a boring smartass like Kitsune and just reply what you would do if such a situation would MAGICALLY occur and do not bother explaining why it it not possible because we all know that.

I am asking this because I am trying to figure out what happens in a mind of a game denialist or a guy who humiliates himself in a way that guy in: "Don't be this guy" thread. You see convincing many guys about true nature of women is very hard and I want you to try to imagine what you would do if you would see world with their eyes.

Asaxon gave a good answer. Thank you.

Well, that is a different question than the one you first posed since your initial question seemed to assume that the guy making the choice knows he is humiliating himself. My impression is that blue pill guys don't see their sniveling/begging as humiliating. There is a whole framework of customs/myths/tradition/religion (reinforced by male instinct) that get men to serve women. A blue piller puts a woman up on a pedestal, thinks she is pure and good and superior and it is his privilege and duty to serve her. Whatever pleases her is right. And there are plenty of people who will applaud his behavior (say it is romantic or generous or being a good family man). Think of the old cliche of the guy throwing his cashmere overcoat on the puddle so the woman doesn't get wet feet. Although these aspects of the culture are fortunately dying off, there are all sorts of cultural delusions out there that will allow a guy to pretend he isn't humiliating himself (and of course 51% of the population has an incentive to encourage such behavior).

As I specified: "Other men might or might not get women trough other means, you are not sure about that, but for you - for you this is magically the only option."

So your bottom line answer seems to be that you would feel OK begging if all the society would encourage that and nobody would put you to shame. OK.

Perhaps anyone would feel disgust from begging even trough all the society encouraged that? Now our society does encourage betahood but we go against society because we know it is not an effective way to get women. But let's suppose it is an effective way. Would you choose love and beg or would you choose dignity and be the master of yourself?