[Aliblahba]

(02-17-2013 07:21 PM)McQueensPlayboyRules Wrote:  

(02-17-2013 06:58 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

(02-17-2013 12:56 PM)SnakeEyes Wrote:  

I just slept with a 22 year old two nights ago and I'm 28. I have more women messaging me than I can track. I am now the chooser.

I'm 36 and am banging a 21 y.o. I can't even afford smokes and beer right now. No money, no car, and living with relatives. Game is game.

Classic. Some of my poorest moments I was rich in pussy. Funny how that works.

The icing on the cake is I closed a girl today while driving MY MOM'S CAR and smoking her nasty Misty Blue 120's. And she was texting me nudie pics an hour later. Emech saw the proof.

Yes, money helps get you laid. The old saying, "let your money work for you" hold true when chasing pussy. One reason I got laid in London on NYE was from staying in a $350 per night hotel in Mayfaire, and the chick new it.

[el mechanico]

I think you guys are missing the point of how money works. It's not the Aston Martin that gets you laid it's the fun factor.

Examples:

Drive up to the bar in a new Benz
or
Drive up to the bar in a Pacer with no hood and way too much engine
or
Sipping a drink wearing a 5000 dollar suit in a hotel lounge
or
Walking in the bar and sending shots of Turkey to three groups of girls and laughing you ass off when they figure out that you know they don't like that shit.

Pacer with giant engine and no hood = guaranteed fun

Getting random sluts drunk off Wild turkey = guaranteed fun

That's what girls like regardless of what you think or read. Adventure, danger, fun.

[Nomad77]

"Passive game will determine the quality of the women a man attracts, while active game will determine the quantity of the women he bangs. Passive game gets a woman’s initial interest, but it takes active game to close the deal. Passive game is the product, active game is the sales pitch." - Samseau

Money = Passive game

Well said. Had to give you a +1 one for this.

[Samseau]

Glad you enjoyed it.

[Hooligan Harry]

(02-17-2013 02:15 PM)basilransom Wrote:  

How is money getting you laid?

I live in a city reputed for its women being money hungry, and I still don't see it. Money has no impact on whether I can bring home the girl I'm talking to - I wouldn't be doing much different if I was making 10-50% more. I've experimented with implying I'm rich or of family money, and it doesn't have much impact. My wingmen say the same thing.

Power and connections are a whole different story though. There are rich men with no connections that are just as hard up as men of more modest means. I can see money helping in less conventional ways - traveling of course, throwing parties, couchsurf hosting, etc.

Im just going to repost what I posted in a previous thread.

Hooligan Harry Wrote:

People tend to miss the point with money. Its not about buying the cars and the boats all the time, its about the LIFESTYLE more than anything else. Women dont actually care about the car or the boat, they care about the LIFESTYLE and SOCIAL STATUS that comes with it.

Thats all its about with them. This is why you will always see broke bitches hanging out in the swankiest clubs and bars. Its not that they are looking for a whale all the time (although they know they have better chances of finding them there), its that woman are fucking snobs and they love shiny shit and opulence.

Money opens up a LIFESTYLE to them that is on a different level to what they can afford, and even though the basics of game remain the same it makes things so much easier.

Take logistics. Everyone is always talking about finding a decent apartment that is close to nightlife and makes it easy to get women back. Location is key. Now if you are staying in a 5 star hotel suite instead of some average apartment in the city, it gives you a substantial advantage. By just being able to order up room service at 3 in the morning alone or have a laundry service, hell a breakfast in the morning prepared by some decent chef, these are things that fuck with their brain in a positive way for men.

Its not just the 5 star hotels. Its the hottest clubs, hottest restaurants, box tickets to major games, etc. All of this puts you in the face of women that are going to be way hotter than your average chud at a backpacker bar or college booze fest, and if you are taking a stupid bitch to these things it helps get the panties off faster too.

You dont need to buy a yacht, you just charter it. But when you have cash to burn, you could charter a monster in the Med for a week or two. You are not going to struggle to pull bitches out of a club in any southern European town if you and a few mates have a super yacht in the harbor.

You dont fly cattle class, you fly first class. When you get to the next level, you are charting flights. You get off the flight far fresher and with less frustration than the chumps in the back of the bus.

You dont throw a party at some suburban home, you throw a party in a house on an estate with massive views and endless booze and drugs. You dont have to worry about cops rocking up because you are disturbing the neighbors, the neighbor is so far away he wont give a fuck.

You get the idea.

This is why I dont even bother debating game and money anymore, too many guys miss the point completely. People make the mistake of thinking that a guy making X a year or driving X car is not seeing extra action, therefore money means shit. They dont understand that its not what you earn or own, its the lifestyle you lead with the money you have. This is what they are drawn to. Chicks dont give a fuck about the car, they care about the fact that a guy who drives a car like that might be the sort who stays in 5 star hotels and flies first class.

Chaps, you need to stop thinking that shit like money does not matter.

Its like listening to fat chicks talking about real men who love curves.

[Christian McQueen]

Money DOES matter in order to live a great life I've never said it doesn't. In fact money is becoming my primary focus more and more as I near 30.

Actually needing money in order to get laid is bullshit though.

Money should be made in order to enhance YOUR lifestyle, not to hopefully be good enough for a girl. If you have money AND game then the world is yours and there can be no excuses for not getting laid.

[Vitriol]

(02-17-2013 10:27 PM)Hooligan Harry Wrote:  

Im just going to repost what I posted in a previous thread.


[...]

Chaps, you need to stop thinking that shit like money does not matter.

Its like listening to fat chicks talking about real men who love curves.

I think this post needs to be put in the forum guide or something. This is an excellent breakdown of the ways in which money actually matters, and I don't think much else would need to be added to the discussion as long as you understand what's being said about money being a great asset to your logistics.

[SnakeEyes]

(02-17-2013 02:55 PM)basilransom Wrote:  

What do you drive?
Doesn't matter IMO, girls don't see it until they've agreed to let me take them home. Plus a $50k or even $80k car won't really impress any girls here. Cars or clothes, you'll get a lot more points for something original than something expensive. I recall El Mech posting a photo of some weird little Euro car and saying girls love it - I see a lot more of that sort of thing than "OMG you drive an S Class? Hottt"

You ever hear the phrase, "sometimes you don't know what you don't know?"

This applies here. A guy could spend $35k on a loaded 2013 Camry, or he could spend $35k on a CPO Porsche. The car DOES matter. I realized the change first hand going from a beater to a BMW Z4. Don't underestimate it :]

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What venues do you attend?
Bars, mostly. I know rich guys do bottle service in clubs, but it's not clear they get laid that well. I was in one of the top clubs locally, and it was insanely loud, not an environment amenable to me getting laid.

This is why I shy away from these places. I don't find them to be places I can show off my assets, brains, or lifestyle. I like day game a million times better, along with iPhone app game.

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Are you a REGULAR at any breakfast/lunch sitdown restaurants that young women frequent?( no chains, it should be a local eatery)
No, though I just went to one and got a girl's number, near my house, always has babes. May start frequenting it more often, and it's not expensive.

Awesome. Being a regular gives me a sense f community and it's supremely awesome to be known by the female staff. About once a week I roll by a place with the top down and the same 7/10 girl waves at me

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Are you in shape? ( can you see abs?)
Yes, no.

Get em. Other guys are intimidated by a guy with money and abs. Women know the score when a guy has both.

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Are you in a warm or cold climate? Warm is best.
Warm.

Do you live in a tourist city?
Yes.

Miami? I love being in a beach city and I live in one.

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How do you spend your money? Do you penny pinch your entire life?
Some would call it penny pinching, I just figure out what to spend money on - food + nice neighborhood + gym + gas yes, drinks at bars, no.

Make more money. As soon as I didn't have to worry about whether I'm paying $4.15 or $4.25 for gas, everything changed. I focused more on what I wanted to do versus how I'll pay for it.

Edit: and let me guess, TORONTO?
Nope.

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(02-17-2013 02:33 PM)Luxe Wrote:  

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Money has no impact on whether I can bring home the girl I'm talking to - I wouldn't be doing much different if I was making 10-50% more. I've experimented with implying I'm rich or of family money, and it doesn't have much impact.

If anything it probably comes across as a turnoff, because it's hard to do without seeming like you're trying to impress them. OP I agree with all your points. But there is a huge gap between ~$100k salary and a net worth of several million where it helps you very little in terms of improving quality and quantity.

When they ask me where I'm from, I say I grew up in a certain rich neighborhood. I know what you're saying, sounding like a tool will erode any gains you might get from making her think you're rich, but I don't think that's the case. I've experimented with other things well, doesn't make much difference. I'm gaming white girls.

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Traveling gives me the benefit of trying new methods without consequence. Money is never a bad thing. Never. Money doesn't make anyone a tool. A person does that. Be friendly with people. Be in charge. Make shit happen. Make decisions.

[SnakeEyes]

(02-17-2013 02:21 PM)jammer Wrote:  

How much money are you making? What kind of job are you doing? How many hours per week are you working?


The only problem with the rich route is that the vast majority of rich people are working more than 40 hours per week, significantly more. 60 hours would be a typical week for some. Some even work 80-100 hours per week.

Salary? $70k. But tht doesn't include per diem, mileage, free hotel, free healthcare, 11% 401k match, pension, reinvesting investments. Cash money hitting my spending accounts is over $5k most months.

Hours per week? 40. I am always in the finance game though. I read finance blogs for fun.

I don't make enough money yet. I need more.

[SnakeEyes]

(02-17-2013 03:18 PM)FretDancer Wrote:  

Well first of all congratulations on you for achieving a lifestyle you wanted and that you are clearly enjoying. It is something we should all strive for, I believe.

It would be interesting if you could share your experiencing on "reaching" that level. What opportunities were presented to you? How did you take advantage of them? You must have had ruts and drought seasons, can you expand on that?

Suspended from school. Picked up by the cops. Marine Corps at 18. Meritorious promotions. Selected for Army Warrant Officer helo pilot. Turned down. Graduate Magna cum laude university instead. Die hard fitness nut. I want to be the best at whatever I do.

[SnakeEyes]

(02-17-2013 07:40 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

(02-17-2013 07:21 PM)McQueensPlayboyRules Wrote:  

(02-17-2013 06:58 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

(02-17-2013 12:56 PM)SnakeEyes Wrote:  

I just slept with a 22 year old two nights ago and I'm 28. I have more women messaging me than I can track. I am now the chooser.

I'm 36 and am banging a 21 y.o. I can't even afford smokes and beer right now. No money, no car, and living with relatives. Game is game.

Classic. Some of my poorest moments I was rich in pussy. Funny how that works.

The icing on the cake is I closed a girl today while driving MY MOM'S CAR and smoking her nasty Misty Blue 120's. And she was texting me nudie pics an hour later. Emech saw the proof.

Yes, money helps get you laid. The old saying, "let your money work for you" hold true when chasing pussy. One reason I got laid in London on NYE was from staying in a $350 per night hotel in Mayfaire, and the chick new it.

I'm going to TheWit in Chicago soon. I'm going out with my Marine Corps buddy from the past who has boats and shit. We're gonna be advertising it

[thegmanifesto]

(02-18-2013 07:47 AM)SnakeEyes Wrote:  

You ever hear the phrase, "sometimes you don't know what you don't know?"

This applies here. A guy could spend $35k on a loaded 2013 Camry, or he could spend $35k on a CPO Porsche. The car DOES matter. I realized the change first hand going from a beater to a BMW Z4. Don't underestimate it :]

Is a BMW Z4 really an impressive car?

Is this a geographic thing? Where do you live?

In my building's parking lot there are Maseratis, Lotus, Ferraris, Lambos, Vintage Muscle, etc. (I don't have a car).

People would think a BMW Z4 is a golf cart where I am at.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

(02-18-2013 09:22 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

In my building's parking lot there are Maseratis, Lotus, Ferraris, Lambos, Vintage Muscle, etc. (I don't have a car).

People would think a BMW Z4 is a golf cart where I am at.

You don't have a car?

Do you have a chauffeur or something?

[Hotwheels]

(02-18-2013 09:22 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(02-18-2013 07:47 AM)SnakeEyes Wrote:  

You ever hear the phrase, "sometimes you don't know what you don't know?"

This applies here. A guy could spend $35k on a loaded 2013 Camry, or he could spend $35k on a CPO Porsche. The car DOES matter. I realized the change first hand going from a beater to a BMW Z4. Don't underestimate it :]

Is a BMW Z4 really an impressive car?

Is this a geographic thing? Where do you live?

In my building's parking lot there are Maseratis, Lotus, Ferraris, Lambos, Vintage Muscle, etc. (I don't have a car).

People would think a BMW Z4 is a golf cart where I am at.

It depends on where you are at. In my area a Z4 would be considered fairly pimp by most. (Not me.) Being a rag helps immensely as it's more about the fun and wind in hair factor than being an expensive car, which it really isn't.

Hell, where I am broads like $50k trucks.

[Don_Johnson]

(02-17-2013 12:56 PM)SnakeEyes Wrote:  

Remember this boys. There is a never ending supply of younger women. Think about that. NEVER. ENDING.

I just slept with a 22 year old two nights ago and I'm 28. I have more women messaging me than I can track. I am now the chooser.

Don't waste time playing video games or at bars every night. Focus on anything that brings you money, status, or power.

Practicing game is a million times easier when you have the things women want. They will go out of their way to get your attention. I get free meals from women for my daughter and I at our favorite restaurant.

Money, status, power. Get any one of those and life changes.

I live in a tenement in Manhattan, make a reasonable income for the area, but I'm by no means wealthy. I'm 34, and most recently was seeing a solid 10 22-year model.

I agree about video games, though not bars.

Honestly, given your style of writing and the fact you had a child at a young age, I would caution you not to get your hopes up about money, status, and power. You will likely have none of those in abundance.

Improve yourself. Become an interesting person. Insure you have an attractive body. These are the things that matter. Women care far less about external displays of genetic fitness than you think, and when they do it is a purely rational exercise. And that means you'll be taken advantage of by gold diggers.

[LouieG]

(02-18-2013 07:57 AM)SnakeEyes Wrote:  

Salary? $70k. But tht doesn't include per diem, mileage, free hotel, free healthcare, 11% 401k match, pension, reinvesting investments. Cash money hitting my spending accounts is over $5k most months.

I was with you all the way, until this. Your job sounds great and all, but-- $70k is not anything unusual. That's about 85th percentile nationally, but among men who frequent upscale nightlife venues (ie, your girl's other options), $70k is average at best. There are a lot of guys making more. There are even more guys making less, but spending like they make $70k anyway.

But I know from experience, when you've been broke and then get a little spending money? You feel rich, even though you aren't. That can make all the difference. Judging by the tone of your posts, I'd bet this is your real edge.

Think about how you act now versus how you acted back then. Money & toys aside, which guy would do better with the ladies?

[el mechanico]

(02-18-2013 09:22 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(02-18-2013 07:47 AM)SnakeEyes Wrote:  

You ever hear the phrase, "sometimes you don't know what you don't know?"

This applies here. A guy could spend $35k on a loaded 2013 Camry, or he could spend $35k on a CPO Porsche. The car DOES matter. I realized the change first hand going from a beater to a BMW Z4. Don't underestimate it :]

Is a BMW Z4 really an impressive car?

Is this a geographic thing? Where do you live?

In my building's parking lot there are Maseratis, Lotus, Ferraris, Lambos, Vintage Muscle, etc. (I don't have a car).

People would think a BMW Z4 is a golf cart where I am at.

Those types of cars are garage queens I highly doubt they are outside in a parking lot even covered. A Z4 is a respectable and reliable daily driver anyplace in the world.

[thegmanifesto]

(02-18-2013 10:17 AM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(02-18-2013 09:22 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(02-18-2013 07:47 AM)SnakeEyes Wrote:  

You ever hear the phrase, "sometimes you don't know what you don't know?"

This applies here. A guy could spend $35k on a loaded 2013 Camry, or he could spend $35k on a CPO Porsche. The car DOES matter. I realized the change first hand going from a beater to a BMW Z4. Don't underestimate it :]

Is a BMW Z4 really an impressive car?

Is this a geographic thing? Where do you live?

In my building's parking lot there are Maseratis, Lotus, Ferraris, Lambos, Vintage Muscle, etc. (I don't have a car).

People would think a BMW Z4 is a golf cart where I am at.

Those types of cars are garage queens I highly doubt they are outside in a parking lot even covered. A Z4 is a respectable and reliable daily driver anyplace in the world.

Yeah, but is it going to turn heads?

Get girls to pick up on you?

It looks like a glorified Mazda Miyata.

Maybe a step down from a Porsche Boxster (the ultimate "junior broker" car).

[soup]

Or, you can make girls think you have a lot of money even when you don't.

This is game.

[SnakeEyes]

(02-18-2013 09:22 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(02-18-2013 07:47 AM)SnakeEyes Wrote:  

You ever hear the phrase, "sometimes you don't know what you don't know?"

This applies here. A guy could spend $35k on a loaded 2013 Camry, or he could spend $35k on a CPO Porsche. The car DOES matter. I realized the change first hand going from a beater to a BMW Z4. Don't underestimate it :]

Is a BMW Z4 really an impressive car?

Is this a geographic thing? Where do you live?

In my building's parking lot there are Maseratis, Lotus, Ferraris, Lambos, Vintage Muscle, etc. (I don't have a car).

People would think a BMW Z4 is a golf cart where I am at.

Yes. It's geographic. It's also relative to the situation. Most girls aren't dating guys who have Ferarris.

[SnakeEyes]

And gmanifesto, I'm taking a 5'11 bomb shell out for lunch today. Maybe you'll see me

[SnakeEyes]

(02-18-2013 11:29 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(02-18-2013 10:17 AM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(02-18-2013 09:22 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(02-18-2013 07:47 AM)SnakeEyes Wrote:  

You ever hear the phrase, "sometimes you don't know what you don't know?"

This applies here. A guy could spend $35k on a loaded 2013 Camry, or he could spend $35k on a CPO Porsche. The car DOES matter. I realized the change first hand going from a beater to a BMW Z4. Don't underestimate it :]

Is a BMW Z4 really an impressive car?

Is this a geographic thing? Where do you live?

In my building's parking lot there are Maseratis, Lotus, Ferraris, Lambos, Vintage Muscle, etc. (I don't have a car).

People would think a BMW Z4 is a golf cart where I am at.

Those types of cars are garage queens I highly doubt they are outside in a parking lot even covered. A Z4 is a respectable and reliable daily driver anyplace in the world.

Yeah, but is it going to turn heads?

Get girls to pick up on you?

It looks like a glorified Mazda Miyata.

Maybe a step down from a Porsche Boxster (the ultimate "junior broker" car).

Actually it turns A LOT of heads. But, a normal person doesn't see it because they aren't driving it. Guys are on the sidelines while I see their wives watching me.

It's very common for guys to downplay another man's possessions or status btw. Yet, I'm taking in the women. It's like other guys are the crazy old man in the rocking chair saying we didn't land on the moon.

[ElBorrachoInfamoso]

$70k goes a long way when your weekly expenses are covered. Add in all the perks and points earned in frequent traveler programs and you're living like someone earning over $100k in a normal cubicle monkey job. $70k is over the 90th percentile for a 28 yr old. Throw in good style, fitness, and game and you're golden.

[soup]

Snake Eyes, why are you here?

Sounds like you've already won the game with your Ferrari

[GenJx]