[RawGod]

I rate the three "not worth the trip" girls higher than the fake-boobed hookers in the first pic. The first is a little dark for me, the middle one is a strong 8 on par with many Japanese girls, and the third is hot but not Asian.

[Beyond Borders]

(01-05-2013 08:17 AM)WEDO Wrote:  

Posted some picks of what I do in Colombia in hopes that the Thailand guys would come through with some tantalizing pics of their own of women they bedded without giving a financial incentive.

Unfortunately I haven't seen anything worthwhile yet. So I'm going to try a different approach. I'm going to post pics of Asian women that I hope you are doing and some that I hope you're not doing to try and break through this impasse. jajaja

First the type of women I hope you are doing.









Women not worth the trip.



Shit that freaks me out about Thailand.

All pictured would be prostitutes in Thailand. Regular girls don't even dress like that at the beach. Except the ones you said not worth the trip - those are American tourists, judging by their body language. Maybe from somewhere other than America but I don't think they're Thai.

Anyhow, the women above are shorable for sure, so no need to pay necessarily - though better-looking ones will be harder to shore and at least may need a bit of spoiling, going out to eat, etc. Your typical pro will be a bit uglier but you do find better-looking ones here and there. I haven't really seen much of the bar girl scene in Bangkok - I don't really do lady bars often - but I imagine the hottest ones are to be found there and in Pattaya. If those ones do it for you, I think you'll smile plenty in the Land Of.

Guys with game can also do "normal" girls who look just as good or better - it's just a lot harder, especially outside of Bangkok. Most can't or don't bother.

Anyhow, I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish here. If you're curious about Thai girls, take a quick trip and find out for yourself what's going on. If not, stay in Colombia as you seem to be doing well there.

Anything else is just hearsay and conjecture.

By the way, didn't you know all women stand up to piss in Thailand?

EDIT: Shit. On second look, some of those ones in the first pic might be ladyboys too. lol

[WEDO]

(01-05-2013 09:05 AM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  

(01-05-2013 08:17 AM)WEDO Wrote:  

Posted some picks of what I do in Colombia in hopes that the Thailand guys would come through with some tantalizing pics of their own of women they bedded without giving a financial incentive.

Unfortunately I haven't seen anything worthwhile yet. So I'm going to try a different approach. I'm going to post pics of Asian women that I hope you are doing and some that I hope you're not doing to try and break through this impasse. jajaja

First the type of women I hope you are doing.

By the way, didn't you know all women stand up to piss in Thailand?









Women not worth the trip.



Shit that freaks me out about Thailand.

All pictured would be prostitutes in Thailand. Regular girls don't even dress like that at the beach. Except the ones you said not worth the trip - those are American tourists, judging by their body language. Maybe from somewhere other than America but I don't think they're Thai.

Anyhow, the women above are shorable for sure, so no need to pay necessarily. Your typical pro will be a bit uglier but you do find better-looking ones here and there. I haven't really seen much of the bar girl scene in Bangkok - I don't really do lady bars often - but I imagine the hottest ones are to be found there and in Pattaya. If those ones do it for you, I think you'll smile plenty in the Land Of.

Guys with game can do "normal" girls who look just as good or better - it's just a lot harder, especially outside of Bangkok. Most can't or don't bother.

Anyhow, I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish here. If you're curious about Thai girls, take a quick trip and find out for yourself what's going on. If not, stay in Colombia as you seem to be doing well there.

Anything else is just hearsay and conjecture.

Hmmm....I assumed they were p4p especially since one photo has url on it kittenclubpattaya.com. But the one that took pics of herself is just smokin hot to me.

So I was more interested in their looks and if you guys that love Thailand are just enamored with easy pussy or actually land the hot stuff without having to pay.

Not interested in lady bars or p4p at all....comparing prostitutes from one country to the next is pointless to me.

I'm trying hard to get past the "hearsay and conjecture" by begging for photos of hot chicks that you guys have done without paying for it.

Starting to wonder of pics of foreign white guys with hot normal Thai chicks even exist....the only photos I can find on the net are of hot prostitutes and fairly unattractive women on ThaiFriendly.

[WEDO]

(01-05-2013 09:01 AM)RawGod Wrote:  

I rate the three "not worth the trip" girls higher than the fake-boobed hookers in the first pic. The first is a little dark for me, the middle one is a strong 8 on par with many Japanese girls, and the third is hot but not Asian.

Thanks for your input. I'm going to give you a point for being honest and not trying to sell the place.

[Beyond Borders]

(01-05-2013 09:34 AM)WEDO Wrote:  

Hmmm....I assumed they were p4p especially since one photo has url on it kittenclubpattaya.com. But the one that took pics of herself is just smokin hot to me.

So I was more interested in their looks and if you guys that love Thailand are just enamored with easy pussy or actually land the hot stuff without having to pay.

Not interested in lady bars or p4p at all....comparing prostitutes from one country to the next is pointless to me.

I'm trying hard to get past the "hearsay and conjecture" by begging for photos of hot chicks that you guys have done without paying for it.

Starting to wonder of pics of foreign white guys with hot normal Thai chicks even exist....the only photos I can find on the net are of hot prostitutes and fairly unattractive women on ThaiFriendly.

I've definitely banged women of the above caliber that were not bar girls or prostitutes - as well as ones that were, though I didn't pay either way. These ones certainly weren't an every weekend occurrence, as I banged some real plain janes and even uglies as well.

But that was probably a fault of my own game rather than a reflection of Thai women. I was also building an online business the whole time I was there and skimping by on cash a lot of the time so not a whole lot of money to be throwing around to impress women. If I'd have lived in Bangkok instead of Chiang Mai and had more money to throw around, I imagine it would have happened quite a bit more often. Thai women of any decent caliber expect to be treated.

There are always exceptions, and I've run around with a couple hotties that had their own cars and money, etc, too. I believe Rio does the same. But the ones that pay for you and have there own shit are exceptions.

As for pics, I personally don't have many pics of the women I banged in Thailand. Some got lost. Others I just never bothered as I was in my own world at the time and didn't really care to take or store photos. For about 3 years I didn't even have a camera.

I do have a ton of an ex-girlfriend who I dated about two years, but I'm not going to be flashing those around. Not to mention she's not likely what you'd call hot. As far as beauty goes, I'd say her face is better-looking than all the girls above, but at about 5 foot tall and not much boob (common for a plastic-less Thai girl) I doubt many guys on here would see her as the Western version of sexy.

I'm kind of drawn to the innocent ones though. What can I say?

But she was definitely stunning. All the Thais would ask if she is Japanese, which to them is the ultimate compliment for a woman.

Definitely not a hooker either. Devout Buddhist. Didn't even drink. It was like dating a hard-core Christian.

But again, not going to share a pic of the girl on the Internet. Honestly, to me it seems like a bit too much of an invasion of privacy, unless the pic shown is of a hooker, and I wouldn't like some chick doing it with my pic. Hopefully one of the guys on here can come through for you, or maybe I'll get over the hesitation and post some of new girls when I get back over there. We'll see.

Oh, and for the record, I'm not trying to sell the place either - just in case I'm giving you the wrong idea here. I've probably stated more than any other guy on this forum that the women most spend time with are either not good-looking or are hookers. The high-quality women are certainly there, but I could probably count on two hands, if not one, the number of times I've come across a white guy with a Thai woman I found drop-dead gorgeous.

I don't know you and have never been to Colombia so I can't really say what your results would be like - as you can imagine, it's different for everyone, just like in the States.

You seem to have your shit together. I wouldn't think on it too much.

[WEDO]

(01-05-2013 09:01 AM)RawGod Wrote:  

I rate the three "not worth the trip" girls higher than the fake-boobed hookers in the first pic. The first is a little dark for me, the middle one is a strong 8 on par with many Japanese girls, and the third is hot but not Asian.

(01-05-2013 09:52 AM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  

(01-05-2013 09:34 AM)WEDO Wrote:  

Hmmm....I assumed they were p4p especially since one photo has url on it kittenclubpattaya.com. But the one that took pics of herself is just smokin hot to me.

So I was more interested in their looks and if you guys that love Thailand are just enamored with easy pussy or actually land the hot stuff without having to pay.

Not interested in lady bars or p4p at all....comparing prostitutes from one country to the next is pointless to me.

I'm trying hard to get past the "hearsay and conjecture" by begging for photos of hot chicks that you guys have done without paying for it.

Starting to wonder of pics of foreign white guys with hot normal Thai chicks even exist....the only photos I can find on the net are of hot prostitutes and fairly unattractive women on ThaiFriendly.

I've definitely banged women of the above caliber that were not bar girls or prostitutes - as well as ones that were, though I didn't pay either way. These ones certainly weren't an every weekend occurrence, as I banged some real plain janes and even uglies as well.

But that was probably a fault of my own game rather than a reflection of Thai women. I was also building an online business the whole time I was there and skimping by on cash a lot of the time so not a whole lot of money to be throwing around to impress women. If I'd have lived in Bangkok instead of Chiang Mai and had more money to throw around, I imagine it would have happened quite a bit more often. Thai women of any decent caliber expect to be treated.

There are always exceptions, and I've run around with a couple hotties that had their own cars and money, etc, too. I believe Rio does the same. But the ones that pay for you and have there own shit are exceptions.

As for pics, I personally don't have many pics of the women I banged in Thailand. Some got lost. Others I just never bothered as I was in my own world at the time and didn't really care to take photos.

I do have a ton of an ex-girlfriend who I dated about two years, but I'm not going to be flashing those around. Not to mention she's not likely what you'd call hot. As far as beauty goes, I'd say her face is better-looking than all the girls above, but at about 5 foot tall and not much boob I doubt many guys on here would see her as sexy.

I'm kind of drawn to the innocent ones though. What can I say?

She was 23 but so small she looked like a kid. One of the reasons I broke it off was it creeped me out. lol But she was definitely stunning. All the Thais would ask if she is Japanese, which to them is the ultimate compliment for a woman.

Definitely not a hooker either. Devout Buddhist. Didn't even drink. It was like dating a hard-core Christian.

But again, not going to share a pic of the girl with some guy I don't know on the Internet. Honestly, to me it seems like a bit too much of an invasion of privacy, unless she's a hooker, and I wouldn't like some chick doing it with my pic. Hopefully one of the guys on here can come through for you, or maybe I'll get over the hesitation and post some of new girls when I get back over there.

Oh, and for the record, I'm not trying to sell the place either - just in case I'm giving you the wrong idea here. I've probably stated more than any other guy on this forum that the women most spend time with are either not good-looking or are hookers. The high-quality women are certainly there. I don't know you and have never been to Colombia so I can't really say what your results would be like - as you can imagine, it's different for everyone, just like in the States.

Don't think I don't appreciate you guys taking the time to respond to my posts and helping me try and figure out if Thailand is a good bet for me.

But I for one could give a rats ass about what any chick does with a photo of me....so I'll post a link to some photos I have take with Colombianas I know very very well in the hopes that it will start an exchange.

Anything to help his fellow man find out where the gettin is good. That is what this board is all about.

http://picturetrail.com/sfx/album/listing/user/calipro

password roosh

[Beyond Borders]

(01-05-2013 10:17 AM)WEDO Wrote:  

Don't think I don't appreciate you guys taking the time to respond to my posts and helping me try and figure out if Thailand is a good bet for me.

But I for one could give a rats ass about what any chick does with a photo of me....

Fair enough and that's cool, but if you've ever read any of my posts here, you probably already know I'm a pretty uptight person compared to most on here and pretty principled. Your own principles have little to nothing to do with whether I stick to mine.

Again, hopefully for your sake someone else will bite. Just not going to be me.

Quote:

so I'll post a link to some photos I have take with Colombianas I know very very well in the hopes that it will start an exchange.

Anything to help his fellow man find out where the gettin is good. That is what this board is all about.

http://picturetrail.com/sfx/album/listing/user/calipro

password roosh

Judging by the pics, I think Thailand will suit you just fine.

That said, I would say that the style of women you like as well as your own style will have you either hanging with freelancers (even if you don't pay) or gold diggers - especially if coming short-term. Mainstream women are far more conservative in The Land of smiles.

That's not meant to be an offense at all - just my honest opinion based on the dynamics of Thailand.

Let's face it, for most Western guys, those type will be more fun anyways.

You're going to miss those asses too.

[LowerCaseG]

Totally agree as to why you are in Samui if you are interested in white girls. Practically speaking, try "Rock Bar" located about a mile West/North of the West/North entrance to lamai. Nice setting to bring somebody, and you can buy mushrooms and joints from the bar. My friend got a plastic shopping back full of magic mushrooms for $10. Joints which are probably about 85% tobacco can be purchased for 150 baht. I think there is a similar bar in Chaweng called raggae bar, but never been there.

[Beyond Borders]

(01-05-2013 10:52 AM)LowerCaseG Wrote:  

Totally agree as to why you are in Samui if you are interested in white girls. Practically speaking, try "Rock Bar" located about a mile West/North of the West/North entrance to lamai. Nice setting to bring somebody, and you can buy mushrooms and joints from the bar. My friend got a plastic shopping back full of magic mushrooms for $10. Joints which are probably about 85% tobacco can be purchased for 150 baht. I think there is a similar bar in Chaweng called raggae bar, but never been there.

I was trying to remember what the name of that place was. It's right by the penis-shaped rock. lol

Very chill spot to just lounge around.

[PartyTime]

(01-05-2013 10:52 AM)LowerCaseG Wrote:  

Totally agree as to why you are in Samui if you are interested in white girls.

I am not interested in russian/swedish/white girls exclusively. What I was looking for in Samui was an a beautiful beach spot for day time and an awesome nightlife party spot with an abundance of both white chicks and non-pro Thai girls to hit on. I wanted to go let loose and hit on everything, and have the opportunity to take a different girl home every night.

What I found was a good, but not amazing beach. A crowded, over-commercialized, and dirty town. And a large but worthless nightlife area with a 3 to 1 ratio of cocks, with almost exclusively mediocre to awful australian girls (and almost no other nationalities), with a small number of thai girls who were all clearly prostitutes (sitting alone, smiling at every guy that passed by), and with lots of super douchebag Australian guys (no offense to the Aussies on this board, I'm sure not all of you are like that).

BTW, I have no problem with douchey guys. I was just surprised these guys were acting like this was the best night life in the world. I mean it was 75 percent cocks, and the 25% of pussy was mediocre to ugly. Blame it on the alcohol

Also, I don't doubt anyone who says they killed it here. Any spot in the world will vary greatly by time of year and other factors. Right now Samui is shit.

[garygroundwork]

(01-05-2013 09:34 AM)WEDO Wrote:  

[quote] (01-05-2013 09:05 AM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  

Guys with game can do "normal" girls who look just as good or better - it's just a lot harder, especially outside of Bangkok. Most can't or don't bother.

Anyhow, I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish here. If you're curious about Thai girls, take a quick trip and find out for yourself what's going on. If not, stay in Colombia as you seem to be doing well there.

Anything else is just hearsay and conjecture.

Hmmm....I assumed they were p4p especially since one photo has url on it kittenclubpattaya.com. But the one that took pics of herself is just smokin hot to me.

So I was more interested in their looks and if you guys that love Thailand are just enamored with easy pussy or actually land the hot stuff without having to pay.

Not interested in lady bars or p4p at all....comparing prostitutes from one country to the next is pointless to me.

I'm trying hard to get past the "hearsay and conjecture" by begging for photos of hot chicks that you guys have done without paying for it.

Wedo ur carrying on about 'not paying' etc etc so all those hot young girls you're doing in colombia pay their way with you?? or even go halves in something?? meals, drinks, taxis etc etc???????????????????????
mmmm the non pro stunners in colombia cost more than hookers in the end

if it all just revolves around how hot girls are and u prefer latinas stay there. or if u want to experience a rocking place with great culture and have an unbelievable adventure check out thailand.

[WEDO]

(01-05-2013 12:19 PM)garygroundwork Wrote:  

(01-05-2013 09:34 AM)WEDO Wrote:  

[quote] (01-05-2013 09:05 AM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  

Guys with game can do "normal" girls who look just as good or better - it's just a lot harder, especially outside of Bangkok. Most can't or don't bother.

Anyhow, I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish here. If you're curious about Thai girls, take a quick trip and find out for yourself what's going on. If not, stay in Colombia as you seem to be doing well there.

Anything else is just hearsay and conjecture.

Hmmm....I assumed they were p4p especially since one photo has url on it kittenclubpattaya.com. But the one that took pics of herself is just smokin hot to me.

So I was more interested in their looks and if you guys that love Thailand are just enamored with easy pussy or actually land the hot stuff without having to pay.

Not interested in lady bars or p4p at all....comparing prostitutes from one country to the next is pointless to me.

I'm trying hard to get past the "hearsay and conjecture" by begging for photos of hot chicks that you guys have done without paying for it.

Wedo ur carrying on about 'not paying' etc etc so all those hot young girls you're doing in colombia pay their way with you?? or even go halves in something?? meals, drinks, taxis etc etc???????????????????????
mmmm the non pro stunners in colombia cost more than hookers in the end

if it all just revolves around how hot girls are and u prefer latinas stay there. or if u want to experience a rocking place with great culture and have an unbelievable adventure check out thailand.

Of course the guy picks up the tab in Colombia.....I'm not getting down on guys that pay women to sleep with them. But you can get hot women to sleep with you no matter where you are if you are paying them... so the whole subject of P4P is a non starter for me.

For me the woman has to be in it for the pleasure and not for immediate compensation....I'm not saying that their can't be chemistry between a John and a prostitute but it is probably the exception rather than the rule.

I judge women on their love making abilities as well as their looks
and won't even bother trying to figure that one out through a discussion forum. jajaja

But you'd think I could at least get a few examples of the hot non pro action you studs are landing there before I decide to take a 20 hour flight and spend a few grand.

[thegmanifesto]

Serious question for everyone:

If Thailand was as expensive as say LA or NYC, would you guys go?

Would you guys love it?

[Soma]

Beyond Borders, really appreciate you sharing your extensive knowledge of the country. Do you have any thoughts on Koh Chang (the big one) compared to the other islands? It's the second largest island there but I rarely hear anything about it.

[mikeymike]

(01-04-2013 03:29 PM)w00t Wrote:  

thailand is a magical place and great for p4p.
Why some ppl would go there to chase white chicks is beyond me.

speaking as someone who did the latter, let me answer. 1, preference. 2, ease...most guys are there for the p4p or easy thai girls...the single non thai girls that come over are usually in a great mood, they havent been harassed by guys all day, they lay on the beach ( I was in Phuket 90% of my time), take it easy and are as a result easily approachable, no shields up just in a great mood. I ran into little to no attitude from non thai tale, got my wires crossed with some Russian girls early on but once I learned how they worked that wasnt much of an issue either. 3, As a non white guy the non pro thai girls werent showing me any love and I dont do p4p, you can make the we all pay for it one way or another argument but Ive seen the toothless, haggard, trash these women will bang for a buck, and I dont want my dick anywhere near where theyve been. Got my thai flag ( and even that was with a half thai girl that spent her teen years in Miami) and then focused my attentions where I got a better ROI.

[DVY]

I guess this thread should be. Dont expect Thailand to the cure-all for bad game, youth is important, clothing is important, Thais are heavily concerned about face (societal image), stick to big cities if you want rich, stunner thai girls for ONS.

Beyond Borders knows what hes talking about.

@g-manifesto- Nightlife is better than SF or LA. The lines aren't as crazy as Vegas, but the girl caliber is lower on average. The price is a prime feature of why SEA is attractive. Another feature of asia is good cultural raising. Girls will really pamper you afterwards. Massages, cleaning your room, etc. None of the uptight, i gave you "magical pussy" attitude. When I would take girls out after a ONS to lunch w/friends (expensive by their standards, cheap by mine), they would act pleasant, smile and act happy.

[thegmanifesto]

(01-05-2013 01:11 PM)DVY Wrote:  

I guess this thread should be. Dont expect Thailand to the cure-all for bad game, youth is important, clothing is important, Thais are heavily concerned about face (societal image), stick to big cities if you want rich, stunner thai girls for ONS.

Beyond Borders knows what hes talking about.

@g-manifesto- Nightlife is better than SF or LA. The lines aren't as crazy as Vegas, but the girl caliber is lower on average. The price is a prime feature of why SEA is attractive. Another feature of asia is good cultural raising. Girls will really pamper you afterwards. Massages, cleaning your room, etc. None of the uptight, i gave you "magical pussy" attitude. When I would take girls out after a ONS to lunch w/friends (expensive by their standards, cheap by mine), they would act pleasant, smile and act happy.

But what I am getting at is if Thailand cost $300-600 a night for a hotel room, and cocktails were $12-20, would you guys still be going to Thailand?

And loving it?

[OGNorCal707]

I'm sorry, I guess I'm probably the only guy on this forum who doesn't quite understand this whole "shoring" thing. The idea of spitting "game" at a prostitute just sounds strange to me. I mean I guess they are still normal people too, who can be talked to and charmed, but almost feel like "game" should be reserved for normal girls. Not paying a poor ass hooker in a 3rd world country just seems to amount to some ego shit on the part of the man. They want to be able to say "oh I'm not like those sleazy sex tourists who can't get laid", so I'll just buy this poor chick who makes less than a $1000 USD a year a slice of pizza and some milk from 7-11, but I'll leave with my pride intact. To me it all sounds like EGO and rationalizations. The fact is you may have saved $30 or however many bucks, but at the end of night doesn't negate the fact that she is still a whore. She has still sucked and fucked about a 1,000 cocks before you. Your "gaming" or "shoring" her isn't going to change any of that.

Personally, I think if I was in Thailand I'd rather just b-line it to the hottest whore and pay her her marginal fee (maybe haggle a bit), then spend hours in a whore club, "trying to run game" on a whore, who still may want compensation at the end of the night or in the morning. I'd be willing to wager quite a bit of change that a good bit of guys from this forum thought they were "shoring" only to be hit up for cash before the chick leaves, maybe they "held their ground" and didn't pay the girl anything, or maybe the slipped her a few bucks on the down low and didn't tell us about it.

This is just my opinion, if you disagree and think I'm promoting whoremongering, to each his own. I will always rep game and not paying for pussy, but there is a time and place for everything. If you are fucking a Thai prostitute she is still a prostitute whether you give her a little money or not.

[WEDO]

(01-05-2013 01:17 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(01-05-2013 01:11 PM)DVY Wrote:  

I guess this thread should be. Dont expect Thailand to the cure-all for bad game, youth is important, clothing is important, Thais are heavily concerned about face (societal image), stick to big cities if you want rich, stunner thai girls for ONS.

Beyond Borders knows what hes talking about.

@g-manifesto- Nightlife is better than SF or LA. The lines aren't as crazy as Vegas, but the girl caliber is lower on average. The price is a prime feature of why SEA is attractive. Another feature of asia is good cultural raising. Girls will really pamper you afterwards. Massages, cleaning your room, etc. None of the uptight, i gave you "magical pussy" attitude. When I would take girls out after a ONS to lunch w/friends (expensive by their standards, cheap by mine), they would act pleasant, smile and act happy.

But what I am getting at is if Thailand cost $300-600 a night for a hotel room, and cocktails were $12-20, would you guys still be going to Thailand?

And loving it?

LOL!!

I think we are both trying to get these guys to quantify the Thai experience.

You by getting them to put a dollar value on it...and probably wondering if they are going there because it is inexpensive.

While I'm trying to figure out if these guys are going there just because it is easy to get laid or are they actually bedding some seriously hot women without paying for it.

The bottom line is we are never going to know what kind of non pro quality these guys are pulling unless they post some pics or even if these guys could get laid any place else if they aren't in the pics. jajaja

I'm waiting for Scotian's final verdict on Thailand when it comes to women...because I know he can get attractive pussy in Colombia without paying for it...and should be able to give a balanced comparison.

[DirectDanger]

@thegmanifesto
the simple answer... NO

One of the great things about Bangkok is the value and cost of living. If it was on par with NYC for cost its awesomeness would be considerably less.


@WEDO
Looking at your pics you posted if you are scoring those kind of girls in Columbia then stay. You will not score that kind of talent unless you decide to live in Bangkok long term, learn the language, build an awesome social circle, and work at it.

Just as I imagine some random guy showing up in Columbia for a month with little knowledge of the culture and language is not going to pull top girls on the regular. Same goes in Bangkok for "normal" girls.

It seems to me that Columbian girls are sexier than Thai girls. However what is so special about Thai girls is how incredibly well they treat you. When you get into a semi-regular relationship with one you are the boss. She will clean, cook, and suck your dick at your command if know how to set up the dynamics of the relationship. It is also easy to have a harem of girls so you never get bored. Nothing like watching a girl clean up all the black hair on your floor and in your bathroom from all the other girls you are fucking.

Lots of reasons to give thailand a chance but if your main goal is to fuck as hot as girls as you can then i say stick with what you got in Columbia.

It is not easy to score classy 8, 9, or 10's in thailand. It is really fucking easy to bang all the 5 to 7's you want.

[Beyond Borders]

(01-05-2013 12:52 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Serious question for everyone:

If Thailand was as expensive as say LA or NYC, would you guys go?

Would you guys love it?

Probably not. But I don't go to LA or NYC either though - probably because of the price tag. The cost of living is definitely the biggest draw to Thailand, and in Bangkok, specifically, many international living sources assert that you won't get a higher-value long-term lifestyle for cheaper anywhere else.

I think it'd still be worth going for those who had the loot if it were that expensive - for the cultural experience - but I'd personally be looking for a place where I got more bang for my buck at that point.

(01-05-2013 12:52 PM)Soma Wrote:  

Beyond Borders, really appreciate you sharing your extensive knowledge of the country. Do you have any thoughts on Koh Chang (the big one) compared to the other islands? It's the second largest island there but I rarely hear anything about it.

I've never been there, but I think it'd be well worth checking out. I've read the prices get high in the high season, but I imagine just like anywhere else it depends on how much effort you put in to finding cheap accommodation.

Most of the Bangkok Thais look to Koh Chang as the ultimate beach getaway.

(01-05-2013 01:11 PM)DVY Wrote:  

I guess this thread should be. Dont expect Thailand to the cure-all for bad game, youth is important, clothing is important, Thais are heavily concerned about face (societal image), stick to big cities if you want rich, stunner thai girls for ONS.

EXACTLY!

(01-05-2013 02:35 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

I'm sorry, I guess I'm probably the only guy on this forum who doesn't quite understand this whole "shoring" thing. The idea of spitting "game" at a prostitute just sounds strange to me.

Agreed. When you're hanging out in prostitute-laden areas though, it just tends to happen. You're drinking and partying and the girls around you are those types of girls, so sometimes you just end up partying with them just like any other girl and not sure in the back of your mind if they are a whore or not - it's not always clear.

At the end of the night, I'd just mention before taking them home that I'm not into paying for girls. Usually even if they were a prostitute, they'd say not to worry about it.

It's nothing I'm proud of and after I moved away from the islands I did it a lot less, but it is the reality for most guys that hang out in tourist-centric nightclubs in thailand. You'd also be surprised how many women go home with westerners and never bring it up because they have a more long-term game in mind. Some of these guys haven't a clue. Most, more likely.

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I mean I guess they are still normal people too, who can be talked to and charmed, but almost feel like "game" should be reserved for normal girls. Not paying a poor ass hooker in a 3rd world country just seems to amount to some ego shit on the part of the man. They want to be able to say "oh I'm not like those sleazy sex tourists who can't get laid", so I'll just buy this poor chick who makes less than a $1000 USD a year a slice of pizza and some milk from 7-11, but I'll leave with my pride intact. To me it all sounds like EGO and rationalizations. The fact is you may have saved $30 or however many bucks, but at the end of night doesn't negate the fact that she is still a whore. She has still sucked and fucked about a 1,000 cocks before you. Your "gaming" or "shoring" her isn't going to change any of that.

You're right. There probably is ego involved.

Personally for myself, there was always also the fact that I'd rather a woman fuck me because she wants to and not because she's being paid - both for her sake and mine. I honestly don't think I'd be very enthusiastic if I didn't think she was doing it for her own pleasure. I might not even get that aroused. Maybe it's just me.

The scary thing about fucking hookers is hoping the condum never breaks.

Banging these women is not something I recommend. I haven't done it in a long time, and I probably won't do it next time around at all. But at the same time, I'm not going to judge other guys who do it. If they're having fun and the girl's having fun, then I say let them have their fun.

Most importantly, I think it's important for guys to be honest about it because so many rant and rave about easy pussy in Southeast Asia when they are banging freelancers and other undesirables chasing the farang golden ticket.

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Personally, I think if I was in Thailand I'd rather just b-line it to the hottest whore and pay her her marginal fee (maybe haggle a bit), then spend hours in a whore club, "trying to run game" on a whore, who still may want compensation at the end of the night or in the morning.

A pretty good perspective and a good point. This is why a lot of guys just say fuck it and p4p. But again, as far as myself is concerned, it was never about going to a whore bar and running game. It was about being in a bar with other tourists, having fun, and naturally ending up hitting on the girls around me, some of which ended up being whores.

It just happens if you go to bars in tourist central. Again, most guys are unaware or, as you mentioned, fudging the numbers.

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I'd be willing to wager quite a bit of change that a good bit of guys from this forum thought they were "shoring" only to be hit up for cash before the chick leaves, maybe they "held their ground" and didn't pay the girl anything, or maybe the slipped her a few bucks on the down low and didn't tell us about it.

It definitely happens - or a hit up for "taxi money." More of an issue in Laos though, in my experience. Usually in Thailand as long as you're clear up front you'll be good.

Most times that it happened to me, I stood my ground since I'd already set the ground rules before we came. It seems trivial to do so, but I don't think it helps other guys much to reward this type of scammy behavior, so I felt a need to stand to the "agreement."

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If you are fucking a Thai prostitute she is still a prostitute whether you give her a little money or not.

Absolutely. No argument there.

(01-05-2013 01:17 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

But what I am getting at is if Thailand cost $300-600 a night for a hotel room, and cocktails were $12-20, would you guys still be going to Thailand?

And loving it?

At this stage in my life, I probably wouldn't go anywhere that cost that much without some kind of work-around. Maybe for a few nights if it was really out of this world.

Long-term prices will be cheaper anywhere accommodation wise.

There are people who go to Thailand and pay those prices though. They've got the money to spend and like going there. What you'd get for those room prices there would be unreal luxury.

It's truly one of those places people can, and do, spend as much or as little as they can afford.

This might sound like a vague evasion of your question, but if you think about it, the fact that people do go spend that kind of dough there goes a long way in answering your question.

(01-05-2013 03:05 PM)WEDO Wrote:  

While I'm trying to figure out if these guys are going there just because it is easy to get laid or are they actually bedding some seriously hot women without paying for it.

I think everyone has been pretty clear about the situation in Thailand with non-pro girls and Westerners. In fact, everyone seems to be telling you it's harder and that you're better off in Colombia yet you keep asking for pics to change your mind, even though no one is trying to change your mind. lol

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The bottom line is we are never going to know what kind of non pro quality these guys are pulling unless they post some pics or even if these guys could get laid any place else if they aren't in the pics. jajaja

jajaja indeed. Nice try.

Yes, I'm sure not one guy on here that goes to Thailand can get laid or sleeps with good-looking women. This entire forum is full of guys with no game. lol Look, pics of actual girls are hard to come by on this forum. A couple guys have put them up - even with Thais, I believe - but most don't seem comfortable with it.

I think the problem here is you seem to actually want people to sell you on the place. But no one is here selling the place and could really care less. They're just sharing info.

In fact, I think Thailand would be a better place if less men came there looking for easy pussy.

Bottom line, though, is that if you don't realize there are a scattering of women of all different quality levels no matter where you go or that the best ones are always a harder conquest for foreigners wherever you go, I'm not really sure what else to tell you.

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I'm waiting for Scotian's final verdict on Thailand when it comes to women...because I know he can get attractive pussy in Colombia without paying for it...and should be able to give a balanced comparison.

I'd definitely just pm Scotian if I were you. If you've met and partied before and he has Colombia experience, that's an easy answer for your question.

(01-05-2013 04:19 PM)DirectDanger Wrote:  

@thegmanifesto
the simple answer... NO

One of the great things about Bangkok is the value and cost of living. If it was on par with NYC for cost its awesomeness would be considerably less.


@WEDO
Looking at your pics you posted if you are scoring those kind of girls in Columbia then stay. You will not score that kind of talent unless you decide to live in Bangkok long term, learn the language, build an awesome social circle, and work at it.

Just as I imagine some random guy showing up in Columbia for a month with little knowledge of the culture and language is not going to pull top girls on the regular. Same goes in Bangkok for "normal" girls.

It seems to me that Columbian girls are sexier than Thai girls. However what is so special about Thai girls is how incredibly well they treat you. When you get into a semi-regular relationship with one you are the boss. She will clean, cook, and suck your dick at your command if know how to set up the dynamics of the relationship. It is also easy to have a harem of girls so you never get bored. Nothing like watching a girl clean up all the black hair on your floor and in your bathroom from all the other girls you are fucking.

Lots of reasons to give thailand a chance but if your main goal is to fuck as hot as girls as you can then i say stick with what you got in Columbia.

It is not easy to score classy 8, 9, or 10's in thailand. It is really fucking easy to bang all the 5 to 7's you want.

This is a pretty good answer, Wedo. Even without pics. I'd listen to this guy if I were you.

[DVY]

Shoring happens because its easy. I dont go out of my way to shore. My girl priority is always hot normal girl> cute normal girl>hot shore>regular normal girl. When you go for a short period of time, and attempt to go out and pull every night, shoring/whores will happen especially at after-hours. The line is blurry.

Do you call a girl who works at 7-11, but hooks part-time after work a pro or a semi-pro. How about the girl who is from a poor family that wants a steady BF? How about the girl who has 2 BFs- 1 thai and 1 foreigners and is looking for more? How about the girl who has heard about foreigners and is curious/drunk and is single now? The line may seem clear on the internet, but in real life w/random people in a drinking environment w/low inhibitions, its not so black and white.

My streetfood and 7-11 milk is to give the girl an attempt at a sexual relationship w/no money attached. If she is not pleased w/this arrangement, she can walk away any time. I engage in no trickery/deceit- I tell her I dont pay, I am a young. Her decision is her decision.

When you buy a drink for a girl, do you consider it prostitution? How about dinner? How about an apartment? How about a nice watch? Where is the line?

I try to keep the seduction and money in separate equations. Food/drink/ coming w/me to my hotel/taxi-cab money- ok. Paying her money for banging or giving her money to shop afterwards- prostitution. Maybe, ill change my views, but now this is my view.

I dont pay because I dont think it would be wise for me at this point to do that. I think its easy to fall into the trap of just saying f-it and pay.

Do work and get your reward. Thats my view. Misguided, maybe.... At the end of the day, I highly doubt anybody would turn down hot sex w/a pro especially if she said "Ill do it for free".

I was sketched out my first 2 nights in bangkok (pros offered to go home w/me for free, right off the bat), but then you just roll with. See how it goes. This transmutates into- I wonder if this is as easy as it was last time. Cue shoring cycle when bored/horny.

At some point, I would stop shoring as much when the Pussy flow is filled by mostly normal girls.

I dont have too many pictures, but I can send some to reputable members (don't really want my face getting out there/ putting girls on the internet w/out consent is not my style)

@ G-manifesto- Probably not. Thailand the culture and attitudes towards foreigners exist because of the income disparity. You can't separate thailand from its prices. That being said, I would choose Asia over America, long-term especially if I wanted to find a good-sweet girl.

[thegmanifesto]

This sh*t is confusing.

Serious question:

Let's say a hooker in Thailand gets "shored" all the time from RVforum members and never charges anyone a dime.

Is she still a hooker?

[Soma]

(01-05-2013 09:30 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

This sh*t is confusing.

Serious question:

Let's say a hooker in Thailand gets "shored" all the time from RVforum members and never charges anyone a dime.

Is she still a hooker?

This is what Westerners, Americans in particular, don't seem to understand that well. They see it in terms of black and white: Is she a prostitute, yes or no? In reality, in southeast Asia, everything, including prostitution, is in shades of grey (no pun intended.)

The bargirl going home with a customer for a negotiated fee, clearly a prostitute. But what about the middle-class, educated office girl who visits the well-known freelancer clubs in Bangkok once or twice a month to meet a Western guy who may one day make her his girlfriend or wife and hopefully send her some extra spending money? In the terminology here that's what we'd call a semi-pro, but that doesn't really fit the typical Western notion of a prostitute.

[Beyond Borders]

(01-05-2013 09:30 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

This sh*t is confusing.

Serious question:

Let's say a hooker in Thailand gets "shored" all the time from RVforum members and never charges anyone a dime.

Is she still a hooker?

haha Asia's a fucking confusing place, Man. One of the reasons so many guys over there end up turning a hoe, and I mean a legitimate professional hoe, into a housewife.

But with some solid game and experience it's not hard to get a natural feel for what's going on when you come out. You learn to navigate.

A lot of guys never do figure it out, but many didn't get much vag back at home and have little life experience or have just given up on caring.

It took me a couple months of being here to actively pursue the local women (not that I didn't cave when drunk lol) because I was so worried they'd either be a pro or a ladyboy. In tourist bars that are so easy to hang out when you first arrive, neither are uncommon at all, but the longer you stay the easier it is to avoid both because it's easier to perceive both.

But the above is why so many short-timers stick to white girls. It's just something we already understand, so it's easier that way.