Quote: (05-03-2014 06:14 AM)Spaniard88 Wrote:
Quote: (05-02-2014 06:30 PM)Suits Wrote:
If you are marrying any woman who is in any way accustomed to alphas, there is no hope.
Be alpha, that means, to start, marrying a virgin. If you're "marrying a woman who's accustomed to alphas," you're marrying someone else's leftovers, and that's beta, but there's a degree there, one or a few prior partners, depending on her age, might not be a huge issue, we're human, we make mistakes, and as long as she learned from the experience, it's possible things could be fine. Now, marrying a girl with double digit prior partners, that's beta.
Congratulations on expanding my point. Truth be told, women tend to fall into one of three categories. The first, are those that have become accustomed to Alpha Dick. Obviously, these women are in no way qualified for marriage within the current legal spectrum.
Then there are the other two categories, which are really subcategories of one larger category: women not accustomed to taking hard, alpha dick, right up the ass. These women are not accustomed to doing so for one of two reasons.
(1) Do to their upbringing, cultural influences and religious persuasion, they are downright frigid towards sex. These women are best avoided, because they will still retain guilty feelings towards sex, even once married. Good luck getting you dick sucked by one of these prudes.
These women would have made excellent wives before the modern male became exposed to modern media with its modern influences.
99% of us are looking for something that cannot be provided by a woman that sees sex as impure and will lie on her back like a fish and quite possibly give up on sex sooner or later because she's feels to uncomfortable with it to actually allow herself to experience pleasure.
(2) There may be a few gems out there who are not close minded prudes who know what they want in marriage and either marry you while they are young or have the self-control to stay pure until they marry you. I'd marry a woman like this, if I could confirm beyond a reasonable doubt that she truly falls into this category, which I won't be able to do, because women are excellent liars and have fooled many a beta into believing that they don't have the history that they do.
Of course, locking down even the preferred category of woman would be a virtual impossibility for nearly everyone on the forum who gets laid regularly, because a woman who has held out sexually and remained pure long enough to be a virgin when she meets you is probably not going to have sex with you within three dates, something virtually all the membership here claims to not be willing to accept.
If she is really awesome marriage material, she's going to wait till her wedding night to get naked, something no one is going to be on board for here.
Of course, if she is lying, this would also significantly reduce the odds of it being obvious that she is lying.
So, we can conclude that getting married at all is a non-option for the modern man.
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Quote: (05-02-2014 06:30 PM)Suits Wrote:
Getting married is the ultimate beta move.
No, marriage is locking down a beauty for yourself, legally, before everyone, staking your claim against all comers. It's, first, recognizing that she has the genes you want to combine with yours and pass down to your children, and then, acting on this and conquering her, protecting her, and then protecting the beautiful children she gives you. That's alpha. Remaining unmarried and leaving no heirs to carry on your legacy, that's the ultimate beta move.
If she isn't a virgin marrying her is not beautiful, regardless of you reasons, because you're a cuckold.
I see that you've adjusted the definition of alpha and beta to allow to follow that path of your choosing and still think of yourself as alpha, which you aren't.
Everything you described above is supremely beta. Sacrificing your well-being to further your family line and the human race is the absolute definitive definition of beta. You just don't like it that way because you get a buzz off of thinking about how alpha your ass is.
Historically beta was good. Beta has brought the human race to its current state of successful existence. Historically, there was little room for alphas. Betas were necessary to provide a much needed labour force. More alphas meant too many chiefs, not enough Indians.
Hell, I would have been a very happy beta if I wasn't born in the first century to remove all the rewards and legal protections that were set up to encourage beta behaviour. (For example, traditionally, men had 100% right to custody off all his wife's children from the time of their marriage if the marriage ended. The woman had no such right).
Since, it's irrelevant to your existence whether or not you provide heirs or not and it simply has no effect on you, (beyond the experience of raising them), because you're going to die some day, doing so is beta.
Being alpha is looking out for yourself, ensuring your own survival. Too many alphas will kill a society.
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Quote: (05-02-2014 06:30 PM)Suits Wrote:
While being a beta orbiter is pretty beta, it still isn't as beta as putting your physical, emotional and psychological well-being in the hands of a woman.
You're right, that's beta, but you're making the assumption that that describes all marriages.
It does.
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If you're a masculine man marrying a feminine woman, she's putting her physical, emotional, and psychological well-being in your hands, not the other way around. Then it's your duty to not violate that trust by leading the two of you on life's journey in a masculine manner.
In theory sure, but if we are talking about the current legal circumstances in the Western world, the marriage is absolutely beta, because thanks to the family courts, she's not putting anything in your hands. A married woman in modern Western society hold all the strings. She needs to place absolutely no trust in you because getting married is in no way an act of submission or faith for a woman any more.
95% of the time, a divorce woman will leave a marriage with more than she brought into it.
The dude is the one who is placing his physical, psychological and emotional well-being in the hands of the woman, because she can use the courts and the authorities to deprive the man she marries of well-being in every sense of the word.
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Quote: (05-02-2014 06:30 PM)Suits Wrote:
What is that we do that causes women do be attracted to us? Women want what they can't have. When they have something locked down, it inevitably loses value in their eyes.
Regarding that statement...I would counter with this, feminine women don't "want what they can't have."
I can see that you're new here. This is the nature of women. Deal with it.
There are plenty of writers from centuries and millennium ago who describe women as I do. This is nothing new.
Women are emotionally incapable beings who need a society that restrict their ability to act out, because without fathers and husbands empowered to keep them feminine, they won't stay that way.
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What they want is a masculine man to lead them. Masculinity is what creates attraction in a feminine woman and as long as you're masculine and behave in a masculine way, she'll stay attracted to you and follow you. If a man is not masculine (and this is more behavior than appearance, by the way), then he won't attract or maintain the attraction, loyalty, and obedience of a feminine woman.
In the sad vision of marriage that you're describing, there's two things at the root of those issues, one, a feminine man, and second, a masculine woman.
A marriage between a masculine man ad a feminine woman is certainly ideal, but sadly, there is no such thing as a feminine woman any more in North America and Western Europe, if we ignore women from religious cults, like all those Mormons in Utah. Any women exposed to Western culture is not going to be feminine at all. Sorry.
Whether the want it or not at a particular time, women had power made available to them that they can reach out and grasp at any given moment.
Modern women in the West have been taught that they are men's equals in all ways and it does not occur to them that they can be wrong and a man right.
Marriages always have conflicts, but where the man is not empowered to lead, the woman will, because today, she has the married man over a barrel.
She can at any time use the nuclear option (divorce) to take much of what her husband has worked hard to achieve.
This is why you see modern men constantly backing down.
Are there exceptions? Certainly.
But at the present time, if you marry in the West, to assume that you are going to be one of the exceptions is simply foolhardy.
If you are already married and it is working out, congratulations, you got lucky and dodged a major bullet.
That being said, for those that must marry, and appreciation of game is certainly your best shot at a successful marriage. But just remember, if you drop your guard even once, she'll never let you bring it up again.
This is stupid anyway. If you can't be happy single, you definitely aren't going to be any happier in a marriage. In either case, just don't get married. You can have a great life without it and with none of the risk, which are plentiful if you do get married.