[Greek kamaki]

The middle class Ukrainian girls have on average much higher demands because they are used to relative luxury.However they are few and far between.The poorest have also financial demands but not so high.Only the not poor,not middle class (lower than middle class) do not ask for financial help.

[Wolverine]

(10-02-2012 06:48 AM)ZonZon Wrote:  

Quote:

I agree with this 100%.
There's a good chance shes getting regular action from a local guy while she's dating her potential to be husband (you).
Nothing with women is as it seems.
If she's avoiding physical escalation i would withdraw.

NORMALLY, and certainly if I read the synopsis, I would say the SAME THING if I were you. But, I was there ... There was no other man, for sure. It was something different. That's not to say all is perfect! I am blind. It just is to say: hmmmm. She remains a mystery to me. And, its not over until I say so. At least that is the way I see it.

On this point ... WE WILL SEE.

You mentioned that you are 47 years old and that shes a 9/10 which would make her early 20s i suspect.

The probability that she is physically attracted to a man 25 years her senior is less than 1%.

Reality check. She's only meeting you for your passport.

You will only have a relationship with her or sleep with her if you can sell her the dream convincingly. Even then she will probably only seep with you once she is on U.S soil with spousal visa in hand.

[brianmark]

(10-03-2012 06:10 AM)ZonZon Wrote:  

Great Feedback all.

I lived in Medellin earlier in the year for a couple months. I am an older guy, but can dance well and run game well at night. Something has changed in Medellin over the last 2 years. Everybody must "up their game" to get that which used to be easy. (unless you are in El Centro with poor barrio girls).

In Ukraine, I realized I had to up my game even more and get the hell out of the big cities and well traveled locations.

I guess it is best to say that some places are best for play and others are more of a challenge / or seeking only one.

When you say Medellin is not that good anymore, what is it too many guys there? Spoiled girls with lack of interest? It's on my list of places to go and I may go this year. There seems to be so many people saying many places in Latin America are played out.

What cities did you find good in Ukraine?

[ManAbout]

(10-03-2012 02:15 PM)Wolverine Wrote:  

The probability that she is physically attracted to a man 25 years her senior is less than 1%.

Since when is physical attraction an overriding consideration for FSU women? This has been discussed in earlier threads, and the conclusion seemed to be that being good looking was at most a neutral in Ukraine/Russia and didn't offer you any added advantage. Based on the types of guys I see some of them with, I think there is truth to this.

You seem to have a problem with recognizing that these women can be attracted to something other than what YOU think they should be attracted to. You trolled the heck out of Greek Kamaki's thread with your "Rus/Ukr women are not attracted to this or that race" comments.

Actually this explains a lot:

(10-02-2012 03:53 PM)BigAlexBoss Wrote:  

Rover, remember Wolf comes at if from a different angle - he is half Ukrainian and thus justifiably annoyed with western love tourists such as myself posting up in his country and trying to pillage the women LOL.

[brianmark]

(10-03-2012 02:15 PM)Wolverine Wrote:  

(10-02-2012 06:48 AM)ZonZon Wrote:  

Quote:

I agree with this 100%.
There's a good chance shes getting regular action from a local guy while she's dating her potential to be husband (you).
Nothing with women is as it seems.
If she's avoiding physical escalation i would withdraw.

NORMALLY, and certainly if I read the synopsis, I would say the SAME THING if I were you. But, I was there ... There was no other man, for sure. It was something different. That's not to say all is perfect! I am blind. It just is to say: hmmmm. She remains a mystery to me. And, its not over until I say so. At least that is the way I see it.

On this point ... WE WILL SEE.

You mentioned that you are 47 years old and that shes a 9/10 which would make her early 20s i suspect.

The probability that she is physically attracted to a man 25 years her senior is less than 1%.

Reality check. She's only meeting you for your passport.

You will only have a relationship with her or sleep with her if you can sell her the dream convincingly. Even then she will probably only seep with you once she is on U.S soil with spousal visa in hand.

ZonZon, I've dated women 1/2 my age too. If she is from the Ukraine and she is not having sex with you she is not attracted to you and doesn't love you. There is nothing wrong with dating girls half you age. I think you should. They are good for sex and may possible make a descent girlfriend if you are in the Ukraine.

They make horrible wives! If you brought her back to your country is would be the worse mistake in your life. If you lived in her country you may be OK, but don't be surprised if she cheats on you. This is the cold hard truth.

[Spike]

(10-03-2012 12:08 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

(10-03-2012 04:32 AM)Neil Skywalker Wrote:  

(10-02-2012 08:54 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

(10-02-2012 05:52 PM)the_conductor Wrote:  

A question I kind of have is why is everyone obsesseed with kiev over Moscow? 10 years ago i had a choice ,i choose to work in Kiev because it was more unknown ,adventurous, and i wanted the rockstar vibe. Also salary allowed me t osave more based on cost of living. Back then we needed visa and invite letter same as russia. Thing is everyone goes now because no visa. No visa was the worst thing for foreighners possible ,it allowed lazy backpackers and sex tourists to take over. I always figured anyone wh o wanted IN so bad can afford the hoops. Now its a shell of its former glory ,However ,Moscow seems to have kept out the sex tourists. it also has over 5 mil girls i n the area and more % of english speakers. yes its expensive but so is Kiev. Theres got to be a reason my ex manager transferred fro mKiev to Moscow and hasn't left yet

Jimukr104

A visa never stopped a backpacker from visiting the country.

Whats wrong with being a backpacker in the Ukraine? Don't whine because poor guys take the women while you have to throw money around. Did it occur to you that backpackers can get girls because some of them are generally cool people to hang out with in contradiction to snobby expats who boast about their jobs/money or whore mongering sex tourists?
I'm not bashing expats because there are cool ones with interesting lives but most are boasters with a beergut.
Not all girls are money hungry, some find an adventurous guy more interesting then money.

Not all backpackers are dirty guys with dreadlocks who travel with pots and pans.

Actually it does seem like you are bassing expats and its obvious you got a large chip o n your shoulder, get the bug out of your...no ones whining.
I never compared expats to anyone nor am I whining .i really dont think any expat thinks backpackers are competition nor do I think avg expat has a beer gut or higher % of bee guts than backpackers. You usually see expats in expat bars, so that implies they drink alot thus havign a beer bellies. there are plenty of expats wh o do not g o to the bars and who are gym rats. Also i think it s pretty adventurous to leave ones family and work i n a country where you are stuck in all 12 seasons, including cold winters and have t o dea l with water shut off half the day and slow dial up internet. i havent been an expat i n 10 years so you obvious didn't read anyones posts. But I ca n assure you 10 years ago , no heat, no water and no torrents to download(slow dial up) made life in Kiev more adventurous than it is today. The expats g o in before all the luxuries.
But this post isnt about expats or back packers or sex tourists, its about being gamed i n FSU. Your CHIP made it a competition, thats very ZERO-SUM ,very beta . The problem is too many foreighners , regardless if they are expats,tourists ,backpackers ,or aliens from out of space have descended on ukraine/kiev ,it happened 20 fold whe n visa was lifted. So 30k foreign guys hitting on 3k girls that stroll the main street has given the girls higher value. Read Roosh's BANG he talks about the VALUE issue. In essence we are i n agreement, NEIL ,you yourself are saying to g o to cities with less foreighners.
Also alot of locals avoid the main streets because of al lthe foreighners , regardless of being sex tourists ,backpacker ,tourists.I do not think they did so whe n only expats were around since expats do not get i n thier way. Its not uncommon in western countries as well . I live in NYC, my friend s and I avoid tourist areas like times square when ever we can. my father has a second property in Las vegas, local s rarely go to the strip is they do not need to(ex. work). In ukraine same thing is happening, locals are avoiding the center in increasing amounts in KIEV. its been like that in Odessa for a decade already. In the summer the locals can't be seen i n the center.
So please read the whole thread before you comment. And I got to add, as has bee ndiscusssed, ukrainians do not think freelancing/backpacking is COOL. Roosh found that out. Whe n Ukrainians trave l they actually spend to impress. They eve nbring more luggage than Americans. They got to have thier expensive gadgets and clothing . i was once on a tour bus trip ,Ukrainian tours, to Hungary. All the loading of luggage delayed the trip. Ofcourse alot of Russians are now using hostels and are backpacking in Western Europe. However, they LIE t o thier friends and make it seem that they stayed in more luxury. Its a status thing. It sounds irrational but its the mentality, spending is cool, saving isn't . You completely wrong about me spending lots of money, LOL. As has been mentioned I am typing on a wap phone. i am very frugal and do not drink much(boring ). my wife goes as far t o call me cheap at times ,lol. the most I ever spent on dinner in Ukraine was 20 bucks, though, prices were cheaper then. i once went so far as to make a date pay her ow nway t oget int o a club ,becasue i saw some red flags. i should write a book how to Bang Ukraine on 500 dollars or less. peace!

So it's OK for you to write this : No visa was the worst thing for foreighners possible ,it allowed lazy backpackers and sex tourists to take over. But it's not OK for me to respond to that.
I don't like to be mentioned in the same sentence as sex tourists who you blame for ruining chances with local girls.
I know you're using a wap phone but it was very hard to read your reply which was more a rant since you like to use CAPITALS a lot.

I'm just a bit disappointed with all the guys here who make it as if FSU countries are full of money hungry girls and it's impossible to get laid without pulling out some major dough.
Who says Ukrainians don't like backpackers? Maybe not in Kiev or Odessa but the whole country doesn't like backpackers? Bullshit!
In Russia and Kazakhstan I sometimes had crowds of people around me and people I met on trains praised me for traveling in Russia and Kazakhstan without speaking proper Russian. A few times I was called a hero. I was still a beta dude back then and didn't take much action when girls eye fucked me all the time. Lord knows what happens if I go there now.
Like I said before in this thread. Guys here are going to the wrong places. Maybe instead of showing up at the airport with a Samsonite suitcase and a pocket full of cash, gamers here should buy a 3rd class train ticket (platzkart)and a backpack.

[ZonZon]

Quote:

You mentioned that you are 47 years old and that shes a 9/10 which would make her early 20s i suspect.
The probability that she is physically attracted to a man 25 years her senior is less than 1%.
Reality check. She's only meeting you for your passport.
You will only have a relationship with her or sleep with her if you can sell her the dream convincingly. Even then she will probably only seep with you once she is on U.S soil with spousal visa in hand.

All for reality. I see myself in the mirror. to be clear and objective, she WAS a 10 when she was in her early 20's, I suppose. She is 31 years of age now.

Not interested in moving to USA. Sometimes things are not 1 + 1 = 2. But i am all for living in REALITY.

[ZonZon]

Quote:

When you say Medellin is not that good anymore, what is it too many guys there? Spoiled girls with lack of interest? It's on my list of places to go and I may go this year. There seems to be so many people saying many places in Latin America are played out.

What cities did you find good in Ukraine?

Medellin was GREAT 4 years ago. TOO many mongerers . Too many backpackers. Bad steriotype in people's heads. Only 2 reasons to go to Colombia coke and girls. Other cities are more like the way it "used to be." But Colombia is experiencing a boom now. AND BY THE WAY, don't run game when you are in Gad Damn Dangerous Territory jajajaja Some places are still hot.

UKRAINE? I am not an expert yet (maybe next year) Kiev is a tough place for game. Everywhere is tough when THEY SEE AND EXPECT YOU. However, Kharkov was great for me! I could have made that place a playground. Just like Colombia 4 years ago. But, I spent most of my time in "non-game mode" in a little town in Ukraine. More conservative area in small towns. People are a little leary of being with a foreigner in public.

[ZonZon]

Quote:

They make horrible wives! If you brought her back to your country is would be the worse mistake in your life. If you lived in her country you may be OK, but don't be surprised if she cheats on you. This is the cold hard truth.

jajaja My girlfriend is a Paisa who just turned 21. She loves me as only a young love can. She explores with girls with me, and only with me. She has never cheated on me, asks my permission to have company - boys or girls. I really never thought I would trust a Colombiana, but ... I am starting to trust her.

With regard to Ukrainian women making good wives (or Colombian for that matter) especially when the age gaps are plus 15 years, there should be a school of psuedo-psychology similar to GAME called TOUGH GRADING. You have to be a strong man and ALWAYS be calling the shots. Otherwise, behavior expands and that is never good for the man over time.

[Spike]

(10-03-2012 04:42 PM)ZonZon Wrote:  

Quote:

When you say Medellin is not that good anymore, what is it too many guys there? Spoiled girls with lack of interest? It's on my list of places to go and I may go this year. There seems to be so many people saying many places in Latin America are played out.

What cities did you find good in Ukraine?

Medellin was GREAT 4 years ago. TOO many mongerers . Too many backpackers. Bad steriotype in people's heads. Only 2 reasons to go to Colombia coke and girls. Other cities are more like the way it "used to be." But Colombia is experiencing a boom now. AND BY THE WAY, don't run game when you are in Gad Damn Dangerous Territory jajajaja Some places are still hot.

UKRAINE? I am not an expert yet (maybe next year) Kiev is a tough place for game. Everywhere is tough when THEY SEE AND EXPECT YOU. However, Kharkov was great for me! I could have made that place a playground. Just like Colombia 4 years ago. But, I spent most of my time in "non-game mode" in a little town in Ukraine. More conservative area in small towns. People are a little leary of being with a foreigner in public.

Another guy who blames backpackers for his lack of luck with girls, I don't know if you noticed but 95% of backpackers are beta dudes who are not pursuing the local girls. I doubt that 5% of backpackers in Ukraine and Colombia (which must be way under a hundred since they aren't particular popular destinations) are ruining things for the rest of foreigners.
Backpackers rarely go after local girls and always try to stick to their own "kind" which means western white girl with a backpack.

If backpackers were racking up lots of notches then there would be tons of books about it instead of only couple. One of my traveling friends traveled the world for a year and got three local notches. One girl I almost pushed him on. Most guys on short trips get zero local notches. Well, maybe a couple in SEA.

[el mechanico]

(10-03-2012 05:51 PM)Neil Skywalker Wrote:  

(10-03-2012 04:42 PM)ZonZon Wrote:  

Quote:

When you say Medellin is not that good anymore, what is it too many guys there? Spoiled girls with lack of interest? It's on my list of places to go and I may go this year. There seems to be so many people saying many places in Latin America are played out.

What cities did you find good in Ukraine?

Medellin was GREAT 4 years ago. TOO many mongerers . Too many backpackers. Bad steriotype in people's heads. Only 2 reasons to go to Colombia coke and girls. Other cities are more like the way it "used to be." But Colombia is experiencing a boom now. AND BY THE WAY, don't run game when you are in Gad Damn Dangerous Territory jajajaja Some places are still hot.

UKRAINE? I am not an expert yet (maybe next year) Kiev is a tough place for game. Everywhere is tough when THEY SEE AND EXPECT YOU. However, Kharkov was great for me! I could have made that place a playground. Just like Colombia 4 years ago. But, I spent most of my time in "non-game mode" in a little town in Ukraine. More conservative area in small towns. People are a little leary of being with a foreigner in public.

Another guy who blames backpackers for his lack of luck with girls, I don't know if you noticed but 95% of backpackers are beta dudes who are not pursuing the local girls. I doubt that 5% of backpackers in Ukraine and Colombia (which must be way under a hundred since they aren't particular popular destinations) are ruining things for the rest of foreigners.
Backpackers rarely go after local girls and always try to stick to their own "kind" which means western white girl with a backpack.

If backpackers were racking up lots of notches then there would be tons of books about it instead of only couple. One of my traveling friends traveled the world for a year and got three local notches. One girl I almost pushed him on. Most guys on short trips get zero local notches. Well, maybe a couple in SEA.

Why do backpackers even travel? I know some also knew a bunch of hippies that followed the Dead but those dudes got laid all the time.

One that I know was just on some island in Panama and told me he didn't go for girls. I mean..I'm not the kind of dude you can say that to and expect me to understand. He said he was living on 10 dollars a day. I said who gives a fuck. The guy has a house on the water with boats etc so why would you go there and do the same crap?

Why would anyone want to go to Ukraine? Culture and Architecture? Have you ever heard anyone say I went to ukraine and eat like a king and hung out with the coolest people?

[worldwidetraveler]

(10-03-2012 06:03 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

Why would anyone want to go to Ukraine? Culture and Architecture? Have you ever heard anyone say I went to ukraine and eat like a king and hung out with the coolest people?

I think most go for women. I am at the age where lifestyle is more important. Living in a shit hole isn't interesting to me regardless of the women.

[worldwidetraveler]

(10-03-2012 05:51 PM)Neil Skywalker Wrote:  

Another guy who blames backpackers for his lack of luck with girls, I don't know if you noticed but 95% of backpackers are beta dudes who are not pursuing the local girls. I doubt that 5% of backpackers in Ukraine and Colombia (which must be way under a hundred since they aren't particular popular destinations) are ruining things for the rest of foreigners.
Backpackers rarely go after local girls and always try to stick to their own "kind" which means western white girl with a backpack.

If backpackers were racking up lots of notches then there would be tons of books about it instead of only couple. One of my traveling friends traveled the world for a year and got three local notches. One girl I almost pushed him on. Most guys on short trips get zero local notches. Well, maybe a couple in SEA.

Neil, no one said they lacked success because of backpackers. You have to admit when you get enough foreigners trying to pick up women you lose a certain exotic effect. Especially when those foreigners dress like shit, and have a tendency of being extremely cheap.

[jimukr104]

(10-03-2012 05:51 PM)Neil Skywalker Wrote:  

(10-03-2012 04:42 PM)ZonZon Wrote:  

Quote:

When you say Medellin is not that good anymore, what is it too many guys there? Spoiled girls with lack of interest? It's on my list of places to go and I may go this year. There seems to be so many people saying many places in Latin America are played out.

What cities did you find good in Ukraine?

Medellin was GREAT 4 years ago. TOO many mongerers . Too many backpackers. Bad steriotype in people's heads. Only 2 reasons to go to Colombia coke and girls. Other cities are more like the way it "used to be." But Colombia is experiencing a boom now. AND BY THE WAY, don't run game when you are in Gad Damn Dangerous Territory jajajaja Some places are still hot.

UKRAINE? I am not an expert yet (maybe next year) Kiev is a tough place for game. Everywhere is tough when THEY SEE AND EXPECT YOU. However, Kharkov was great for me! I could have made that place a playground. Just like Colombia 4 years ago. But, I spent most of my time in "non-game mode" in a little town in Ukraine. More conservative area in small towns. People are a little leary of being with a foreigner in public.

Another guy who blames backpackers for his lack of luck with girls, I don't know if you noticed but 95% of backpackers are beta dudes who are not pursuing the local girls. I doubt that 5% of backpackers in Ukraine and Colombia (which must be way under a hundred since they aren't particular popular destinations) are ruining things for the rest of foreigners.
Backpackers rarely go after local girls and always try to stick to their own "kind" which means western white girl with a backpack.

If backpackers were racking up lots of notches then there would be tons of books about it instead of only couple. One of my traveling friends traveled the world for a year and got three local notches. One girl I almost pushed him on. Most guys on short trips get zero local notches. Well, maybe a couple in SEA.

I repeat I do not blame backpackers specifically. i apologize for not including expats i n the same line. I didn't do so because expats weren't new to the equation. Infact, With the bad business environment I do not eve n think the % of expats have increased. I am sorry i put backpackers in same sentence as sex tourists but as i said i n a previous post locals start judging everyone as the same. RVF guys are technically guys wh o tour and have sex=sex tourists. The despised group has thier own name, whoremongers or just mongers. They souldn't be included as sex tourists ,they aren't technically touring anything.
If its a numbers game ,as some of the senior members have stated than I can see why Kiev is fustrating. Girls who do "logical" sex + the increased value they have because of the high number of foreign guys creates girls who can game guys. One choice is like you said avoid the known cities. Its a proble m for some because of the time involved and the lack of nightlife, etc in the other cities. The other choice is t o go where you have the biggest dating pool. I think thats why Ali avoids FSU. Thats why I would think its great if we got more data from Moscow. Its the biggest metro. population in Europe at 15 mil. More % of English speakers than almost anywhere in the FSU. They are als o more traveled and more likely to have more promiscuous girls due to being more liberal(less logical sex). Think a place i n FSU with all the venues of NYC. Ofcourse more expensive than Kiev but it might work out as costing less per bang so to speak.

[jimukr104]

"As far as the Ukraine goes, I think Odessa is an overplayed city, which gets lots of men looking for wives or girlfriends."

Odessan girls will play you like a fiddle. They have had foreighners since beginning of time. The sex tourists have been going there before Kiev and its a small city center street. Basically the locals do not even go to the center often anymore. Another thing odessan females are very libera land worldly. that can be both good and bad. Compared to other girls i nthe FSU they will seem normal. i met guys i n the pub wh o says the girls smile and act like western girls. They eve n had the first sex shops in FSU so they are more open minded for sure .Now the bad news. They do not really like foreighner s anymore and will use al l the tricks i n thier arsenal to extract cash from you. i mean thats what Odessa is about, making money. Another obstacle you wil lhave is they love thier city so much .Odessa was considered the coolest ,hippest palce i n the FSU. They eve n had international cuisine and merchandise that was scarce during communist times. So they are use to luxuries. There was a joke durign the orange revolution that Odessans voted odessan. The girls there all beleive they can get rich or make money so they aren't going to need your passport(good thing actually). Since making money in Odessa is based on wh oyou know and how clever you are at business, women do well. Alot of women are middleclass with western europe incomes. my sister in law makes about 3k a month. My wifes friends all make over 2k , and a few school friends make 6 figures. The proble myou wil lface is these girls avoid foreighners , infact they are even often to busy to date and start families later. For status purposes its hard for them to find a mate because the mentality is they need local guys who make more than they do. Alot of guys are also rich.
That leads the available women being those who are poor. Only theythemselves are jealous and seek only to make money , anyway they can. When they leave Odessa to work in Kiev they are mellowed out, like my wife was. my co worker also met an Odessan in kiev. However in Odessa they are vicious as Kamaki would probably say. One big scam they do there is they arrange a date with you and run int o thier friends during the date. ofcourse friends weill join in, and you will be stuck with the bill. Its very common there and since the main street is very small you might actually believe the coinsidence. Girs lwill come out and say they want to be entertained ,lol. odessa has more restaurnats than any city i n Ukraine and each girl dreams to try each one at leeast once. The sweet hearted ones leave. I believe the % of English speakers is higher in kiev,however, you will never know the real % becuase often girls will say they do not speak english so you will leave them alone. i have see nthe m rudely reject guys like girls would do in L.A. or NY , they do not act like FSU girls except for the status and calculating net worth of guys thingy. The only good thing is that if a girl likes you for real she might be more sexual than any other FSU place and the English speakers are ofte n better than English speakers in Kiev since they are usually better traveled and have practiced on other foreighners.
Lastly, if you have issues with Turks, be advised Turks are numerous there. They have thier own night club and other businesses in the center. The situation where 20 Turkish guys are getting wild in clubs happens ofte n nenough. My flat is away fro mthe center and i would eve nsee thme walking around my area.

[Wolverine]

[/quote]

Not interested in moving to USA.
[/quote]

She can sense this is the case. You're not convincing her you can offer her a better life. Its why your relationship with her isnt flourishing.

[Wolverine]

(10-03-2012 02:48 PM)ManAbout Wrote:  

(10-03-2012 02:15 PM)Wolverine Wrote:  

The probability that she is physically attracted to a man 25 years her senior is less than 1%.

Since when is physical attraction an overriding consideration for FSU women? This has been discussed in earlier threads, and the conclusion seemed to be that being good looking was at most a neutral in Ukraine/Russia and didn't offer you any added advantage. Based on the types of guys I see some of them with, I think there is truth to this.

You seem to have a problem with recognizing that these women can be attracted to something other than what YOU think they should be attracted to. You trolled the heck out of Greek Kamaki's thread with your "Rus/Ukr women are not attracted to this or that race" comments.

Physical attraction is important to all women. Yes it is of secondary importance to Russian/Ukrainian women but in this case where a man has dated a Ukrainian girl for a month with no sexual return its clearly a factor.

Its clear that she is in it for the passport. Its really the only thing he can offer a 9 that a local guy cant.

I may be cold but i call things as they are which is what needs to be done on a travel thread where people want honest feedback before investing time and money going to unknown locations.

Manabout wants to live in a bubble of deluded positivity. Reality clearly upsets him.

And i didnt troll that Hersonissos, Greece thread. I had just spent a week there and had every business commenting on what i saw and Kamaki agreed with my observations. It was you who trolled it. You have neither been there nor have any intention of ever going there yet jumped on it out of boredom.

And having just spent a month in Ukraine i have every business commenting on this thread.

[chochemonger1]

(10-03-2012 05:51 PM)Neil Skywalker Wrote:  

(10-03-2012 04:42 PM)ZonZon Wrote:  

Quote:

When you say Medellin is not that good anymore, what is it too many guys there? Spoiled girls with lack of interest? It's on my list of places to go and I may go this year. There seems to be so many people saying many places in Latin America are played out.

What cities did you find good in Ukraine?

Medellin was GREAT 4 years ago. TOO many mongerers . Too many backpackers. Bad steriotype in people's heads. Only 2 reasons to go to Colombia coke and girls. Other cities are more like the way it "used to be." But Colombia is experiencing a boom now. AND BY THE WAY, don't run game when you are in Gad Damn Dangerous Territory jajajaja Some places are still hot.

UKRAINE? I am not an expert yet (maybe next year) Kiev is a tough place for game. Everywhere is tough when THEY SEE AND EXPECT YOU. However, Kharkov was great for me! I could have made that place a playground. Just like Colombia 4 years ago. But, I spent most of my time in "non-game mode" in a little town in Ukraine. More conservative area in small towns. People are a little leary of being with a foreigner in public.

Another guy who blames backpackers for his lack of luck with girls, I don't know if you noticed but 95% of backpackers are beta dudes who are not pursuing the local girls. I doubt that 5% of backpackers in Ukraine and Colombia (which must be way under a hundred since they aren't particular popular destinations) are ruining things for the rest of foreigners.
Backpackers rarely go after local girls and always try to stick to their own "kind" which means western white girl with a backpack.

If backpackers were racking up lots of notches then there would be tons of books about it instead of only couple. One of my traveling friends traveled the world for a year and got three local notches. One girl I almost pushed him on. Most guys on short trips get zero local notches. Well, maybe a couple in SEA.

Neil you can last as a backpacker for only so long, if you want to slay the local pussy. I had a similar experience that you had traveling at 21, as a backpacker through all of Europe, but with less game and money. You did better for sure with the local girls...I was only with hostel chicks. That is young inexperienced man´s traveling game. Now another era in Skywalkers life has to begin.

[Rurik]

(10-03-2012 03:18 PM)Neil Skywalker Wrote:  

(10-03-2012 12:08 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

(10-03-2012 04:32 AM)Neil Skywalker Wrote:  

(10-02-2012 08:54 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

(10-02-2012 05:52 PM)the_conductor Wrote:  

A question I kind of have is why is everyone obsesseed with kiev over Moscow? 10 years ago i had a choice ,i choose to work in Kiev because it was more unknown ,adventurous, and i wanted the rockstar vibe. Also salary allowed me t osave more based on cost of living. Back then we needed visa and invite letter same as russia. Thing is everyone goes now because no visa. No visa was the worst thing for foreighners possible ,it allowed lazy backpackers and sex tourists to take over. I always figured anyone wh o wanted IN so bad can afford the hoops. Now its a shell of its former glory ,However ,Moscow seems to have kept out the sex tourists. it also has over 5 mil girls i n the area and more % of english speakers. yes its expensive but so is Kiev. Theres got to be a reason my ex manager transferred fro mKiev to Moscow and hasn't left yet

Jimukr104

A visa never stopped a backpacker from visiting the country.

Whats wrong with being a backpacker in the Ukraine? Don't whine because poor guys take the women while you have to throw money around. Did it occur to you that backpackers can get girls because some of them are generally cool people to hang out with in contradiction to snobby expats who boast about their jobs/money or whore mongering sex tourists?
I'm not bashing expats because there are cool ones with interesting lives but most are boasters with a beergut.
Not all girls are money hungry, some find an adventurous guy more interesting then money.

Not all backpackers are dirty guys with dreadlocks who travel with pots and pans.

Actually it does seem like you are bassing expats and its obvious you got a large chip o n your shoulder, get the bug out of your...no ones whining.
I never compared expats to anyone nor am I whining .i really dont think any expat thinks backpackers are competition nor do I think avg expat has a beer gut or higher % of bee guts than backpackers. You usually see expats in expat bars, so that implies they drink alot thus havign a beer bellies. there are plenty of expats wh o do not g o to the bars and who are gym rats. Also i think it s pretty adventurous to leave ones family and work i n a country where you are stuck in all 12 seasons, including cold winters and have t o dea l with water shut off half the day and slow dial up internet. i havent been an expat i n 10 years so you obvious didn't read anyones posts. But I ca n assure you 10 years ago , no heat, no water and no torrents to download(slow dial up) made life in Kiev more adventurous than it is today. The expats g o in before all the luxuries.
But this post isnt about expats or back packers or sex tourists, its about being gamed i n FSU. Your CHIP made it a competition, thats very ZERO-SUM ,very beta . The problem is too many foreighners , regardless if they are expats,tourists ,backpackers ,or aliens from out of space have descended on ukraine/kiev ,it happened 20 fold whe n visa was lifted. So 30k foreign guys hitting on 3k girls that stroll the main street has given the girls higher value. Read Roosh's BANG he talks about the VALUE issue. In essence we are i n agreement, NEIL ,you yourself are saying to g o to cities with less foreighners.
Also alot of locals avoid the main streets because of al lthe foreighners , regardless of being sex tourists ,backpacker ,tourists.I do not think they did so whe n only expats were around since expats do not get i n thier way. Its not uncommon in western countries as well . I live in NYC, my friend s and I avoid tourist areas like times square when ever we can. my father has a second property in Las vegas, local s rarely go to the strip is they do not need to(ex. work). In ukraine same thing is happening, locals are avoiding the center in increasing amounts in KIEV. its been like that in Odessa for a decade already. In the summer the locals can't be seen i n the center.
So please read the whole thread before you comment. And I got to add, as has bee ndiscusssed, ukrainians do not think freelancing/backpacking is COOL. Roosh found that out. Whe n Ukrainians trave l they actually spend to impress. They eve nbring more luggage than Americans. They got to have thier expensive gadgets and clothing . i was once on a tour bus trip ,Ukrainian tours, to Hungary. All the loading of luggage delayed the trip. Ofcourse alot of Russians are now using hostels and are backpacking in Western Europe. However, they LIE t o thier friends and make it seem that they stayed in more luxury. Its a status thing. It sounds irrational but its the mentality, spending is cool, saving isn't . You completely wrong about me spending lots of money, LOL. As has been mentioned I am typing on a wap phone. i am very frugal and do not drink much(boring ). my wife goes as far t o call me cheap at times ,lol. the most I ever spent on dinner in Ukraine was 20 bucks, though, prices were cheaper then. i once went so far as to make a date pay her ow nway t oget int o a club ,becasue i saw some red flags. i should write a book how to Bang Ukraine on 500 dollars or less. peace!

So it's OK for you to write this : No visa was the worst thing for foreighners possible ,it allowed lazy backpackers and sex tourists to take over. But it's not OK for me to respond to that.
I don't like to be mentioned in the same sentence as sex tourists who you blame for ruining chances with local girls.
I know you're using a wap phone but it was very hard to read your reply which was more a rant since you like to use CAPITALS a lot.

I'm just a bit disappointed with all the guys here who make it as if FSU countries are full of money hungry girls and it's impossible to get laid without pulling out some major dough.
Who says Ukrainians don't like backpackers? Maybe not in Kiev or Odessa but the whole country doesn't like backpackers? Bullshit!
In Russia and Kazakhstan I sometimes had crowds of people around me and people I met on trains praised me for traveling in Russia and Kazakhstan without speaking proper Russian. A few times I was called a hero. I was still a beta dude back then and didn't take much action when girls eye fucked me all the time. Lord knows what happens if I go there now.
Like I said before in this thread. Guys here are going to the wrong places. Maybe instead of showing up at the airport with a Samsonite suitcase and a pocket full of cash, gamers here should buy a 3rd class train ticket (platzkart)and a backpack.

I agree with Neil. And guess what, it's not just backpackers, but if you just show up as a normal dude who isn't flashing cash, you know what happens?

Gold diggers avoid you.

Because they aren't stupid. They know which dudes have cash and which don't.

Trying to game these girls by bribing them and giving gifts is very very bad advice.

Where did this idea come from that you can come to EE and bang 9s and 10s? Who in the hell started this meme? Yeah, the 9s and 10s are a lot cheaper to pay for sex in ukraine than in america, but are not too much easier to bed using game.

These girls know their worth and have options all over the place.

Girls in ukraine, especially young ones, want to be gamed in bars and clubs. It's not too much different from america, except that it's basically easier, especially in Kiev.

[jimukr104]

(10-03-2012 08:53 PM)Rurik Wrote:  

(10-03-2012 03:18 PM)Neil Skywalker Wrote:  

(10-03-2012 12:08 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

(10-03-2012 04:32 AM)Neil Skywalker Wrote:  

(10-02-2012 08:54 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

A question I kind of have is why is everyone obsesseed with kiev over Moscow? 10 years ago i had a choice ,i choose to work in Kiev because it was more unknown ,adventurous, and i wanted the rockstar vibe. Also salary allowed me t osave more based on cost of living. Back then we needed visa and invite letter same as russia. Thing is everyone goes now because no visa. No visa was the worst thing for foreighners possible ,it allowed lazy backpackers and sex tourists to take over. I always figured anyone wh o wanted IN so bad can afford the hoops. Now its a shell of its former glory ,However ,Moscow seems to have kept out the sex tourists. it also has over 5 mil girls i n the area and more % of english speakers. yes its expensive but so is Kiev. Theres got to be a reason my ex manager transferred fro mKiev to Moscow and hasn't left yet

Jimukr104

A visa never stopped a backpacker from visiting the country.

Whats wrong with being a backpacker in the Ukraine? Don't whine because poor guys take the women while you have to throw money around. Did it occur to you that backpackers can get girls because some of them are generally cool people to hang out with in contradiction to snobby expats who boast about their jobs/money or whore mongering sex tourists?
I'm not bashing expats because there are cool ones with interesting lives but most are boasters with a beergut.
Not all girls are money hungry, some find an adventurous guy more interesting then money.

Not all backpackers are dirty guys with dreadlocks who travel with pots and pans.

Actually it does seem like you are bassing expats and its obvious you got a large chip o n your shoulder, get the bug out of your...no ones whining.
I never compared expats to anyone nor am I whining .i really dont think any expat thinks backpackers are competition nor do I think avg expat has a beer gut or higher % of bee guts than backpackers. You usually see expats in expat bars, so that implies they drink alot thus havign a beer bellies. there are plenty of expats wh o do not g o to the bars and who are gym rats. Also i think it s pretty adventurous to leave ones family and work i n a country where you are stuck in all 12 seasons, including cold winters and have t o dea l with water shut off half the day and slow dial up internet. i havent been an expat i n 10 years so you obvious didn't read anyones posts. But I ca n assure you 10 years ago , no heat, no water and no torrents to download(slow dial up) made life in Kiev more adventurous than it is today. The expats g o in before all the luxuries.
But this post isnt about expats or back packers or sex tourists, its about being gamed i n FSU. Your CHIP made it a competition, thats very ZERO-SUM ,very beta . The problem is too many foreighners , regardless if they are expats,tourists ,backpackers ,or aliens from out of space have descended on ukraine/kiev ,it happened 20 fold whe n visa was lifted. So 30k foreign guys hitting on 3k girls that stroll the main street has given the girls higher value. Read Roosh's BANG he talks about the VALUE issue. In essence we are i n agreement, NEIL ,you yourself are saying to g o to cities with less foreighners.
Also alot of locals avoid the main streets because of al lthe foreighners , regardless of being sex tourists ,backpacker ,tourists.I do not think they did so whe n only expats were around since expats do not get i n thier way. Its not uncommon in western countries as well . I live in NYC, my friend s and I avoid tourist areas like times square when ever we can. my father has a second property in Las vegas, local s rarely go to the strip is they do not need to(ex. work). In ukraine same thing is happening, locals are avoiding the center in increasing amounts in KIEV. its been like that in Odessa for a decade already. In the summer the locals can't be seen i n the center.
So please read the whole thread before you comment. And I got to add, as has bee ndiscusssed, ukrainians do not think freelancing/backpacking is COOL. Roosh found that out. Whe n Ukrainians trave l they actually spend to impress. They eve nbring more luggage than Americans. They got to have thier expensive gadgets and clothing . i was once on a tour bus trip ,Ukrainian tours, to Hungary. All the loading of luggage delayed the trip. Ofcourse alot of Russians are now using hostels and are backpacking in Western Europe. However, they LIE t o thier friends and make it seem that they stayed in more luxury. Its a status thing. It sounds irrational but its the mentality, spending is cool, saving isn't . You completely wrong about me spending lots of money, LOL. As has been mentioned I am typing on a wap phone. i am very frugal and do not drink much(boring ). my wife goes as far t o call me cheap at times ,lol. the most I ever spent on dinner in Ukraine was 20 bucks, though, prices were cheaper then. i once went so far as to make a date pay her ow nway t oget int o a club ,becasue i saw some red flags. i should write a book how to Bang Ukraine on 500 dollars or less. peace!

So it's OK for you to write this : No visa was the worst thing for foreighners possible ,it allowed lazy backpackers and sex tourists to take over. But it's not OK for me to respond to that.
I don't like to be mentioned in the same sentence as sex tourists who you blame for ruining chances with local girls.
I know you're using a wap phone but it was very hard to read your reply which was more a rant since you like to use CAPITALS a lot.

I'm just a bit disappointed with all the guys here who make it as if FSU countries are full of money hungry girls and it's impossible to get laid without pulling out some major dough.
Who says Ukrainians don't like backpackers? Maybe not in Kiev or Odessa but the whole country doesn't like backpackers? Bullshit!
In Russia and Kazakhstan I sometimes had crowds of people around me and people I met on trains praised me for traveling in Russia and Kazakhstan without speaking proper Russian. A few times I was called a hero. I was still a beta dude back then and didn't take much action when girls eye fucked me all the time. Lord knows what happens if I go there now.
Like I said before in this thread. Guys here are going to the wrong places. Maybe instead of showing up at the airport with a Samsonite suitcase and a pocket full of cash, gamers here should buy a 3rd class train ticket (platzkart)and a backpack.

I agree with Neil. And guess what, it's not just backpackers, but if you just show up as a normal dude who isn't flashing cash, you know what happens?

Gold diggers avoid you.

Because they aren't stupid. They know which dudes have cash and which don't.

Trying to game these girls by bribing them and giving gifts is very very bad advice.

Where did this idea come from that you can come to EE and bang 9s and 10s? Who in the hell started this meme? Yeah, the 9s and 10s are a lot cheaper to pay for sex in ukraine than in america, but are not too much easier to bed using game.

These girls know their worth and have options all over the place.

Girls in ukraine, especially young ones, want to be gamed in bars and clubs. It's not too much different from america, except that it's basically easier, especially in Kiev.

Actually Kievs the hardest , except for fact they pseak English .Idea of banging 9's and 10's came because 10 years ag o you could. They had less value then. To be honest eve nthe locals had a different type. they lliked more meat on bones if you can believe that? Lots of foreighners coming to woo thme and plenty of internet spamming to them have made them see they are a commodity. Add the fact localsdecided to chase them also.

[Spike]

(10-03-2012 06:10 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

(10-03-2012 06:03 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

Why would anyone want to go to Ukraine? Culture and Architecture? Have you ever heard anyone say I went to ukraine and eat like a king and hung out with the coolest people?

I think most go for women. I am at the age where lifestyle is more important. Living in a shit hole isn't interesting to me regardless of the women.

I think this is where I differ from most guys here. If I would go to the Ukraine I would first read a book about it. I'm a Military history enthusiast and especially for WWII. I would definitely visit lots of sights and museums/memorials since some major fighting happened there and it's was the turning point in the war. I'm also interested in Soviet history.
When I was in South East Asia I sat on chicken buses and boats for many hours to reach places of WWII interest like POW camps and memorials. I'm of course partly interested in this because the whole of Indonesia and parts of Malaysia were Dutch colonies for hundreds of years. Dutch people fought and suffered a lot under the Japanese occupation. Indonesia was decolonized in 1949 after a series of fights and uprisings under pressure of the UN and not able to finance it anymore after the German occupation and a country shot to pieces. Rotterdam for example was completely flattened in the German invasion to force the Dutch to stop fighting. The Dutch surrendered after threats of also leveling the city Utrecht. During the German occupation the city was leveled again by the British and american airforces. And so was the city where I live ( although it was mistaken for a German city by the RAF but bombed nonetheless).

Anyway , getting carried away from the subject here.

Maybe my interest in a country gives me an advantage with local girls over others who clearly go there for gaming only. I actually know stuff about the countries history. I have not mentioned most of my sightseeing in my book because there are already a gazillion little details in there and the book is already 500 pages long. In a way it's too bad because most of those stories are very interesting. This subjects will be mentioned in my blog posts.
Maybe this is a tip for future Ukraine goers to read a book about the country and come of a bit more genuine this way and not like a sex tourist.
If a girls ask you what you are doing in the Ukraine you can say you are there to visit war memorials and museums instead of shrugging your shoulders or coming up with an obvious bullshit story. (not directed at anyone here, just an example)

[Spike]

(10-03-2012 08:44 PM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

(10-03-2012 05:51 PM)Neil Skywalker Wrote:  

(10-03-2012 04:42 PM)ZonZon Wrote:  

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When you say Medellin is not that good anymore, what is it too many guys there? Spoiled girls with lack of interest? It's on my list of places to go and I may go this year. There seems to be so many people saying many places in Latin America are played out.

What cities did you find good in Ukraine?

Medellin was GREAT 4 years ago. TOO many mongerers . Too many backpackers. Bad steriotype in people's heads. Only 2 reasons to go to Colombia coke and girls. Other cities are more like the way it "used to be." But Colombia is experiencing a boom now. AND BY THE WAY, don't run game when you are in Gad Damn Dangerous Territory jajajaja Some places are still hot.

UKRAINE? I am not an expert yet (maybe next year) Kiev is a tough place for game. Everywhere is tough when THEY SEE AND EXPECT YOU. However, Kharkov was great for me! I could have made that place a playground. Just like Colombia 4 years ago. But, I spent most of my time in "non-game mode" in a little town in Ukraine. More conservative area in small towns. People are a little leary of being with a foreigner in public.

Another guy who blames backpackers for his lack of luck with girls, I don't know if you noticed but 95% of backpackers are beta dudes who are not pursuing the local girls. I doubt that 5% of backpackers in Ukraine and Colombia (which must be way under a hundred since they aren't particular popular destinations) are ruining things for the rest of foreigners.
Backpackers rarely go after local girls and always try to stick to their own "kind" which means western white girl with a backpack.

If backpackers were racking up lots of notches then there would be tons of books about it instead of only couple. One of my traveling friends traveled the world for a year and got three local notches. One girl I almost pushed him on. Most guys on short trips get zero local notches. Well, maybe a couple in SEA.

Neil you can last as a backpacker for only so long, if you want to slay the local pussy. I had a similar experience that you had traveling at 21, as a backpacker through all of Europe, but with less game and money. You did better for sure with the local girls...I was only with hostel chicks. That is young inexperienced man´s traveling game. Now another era in Skywalkers life has to begin.

Yes, I can feel the clock ticking but I think I can go on for a few more years. Fuck getting old. I have wasted the best years of my life NOT backpacking, now I have to catch up while I still can.

[ZonZon]

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Physical attraction is important to all women.

I may be cold but i call things as they are which is what needs to be done on a travel thread where people want honest feedback before investing time and money going to unknown locations.

And having just spent a month in Ukraine i have every business commenting on this thread.

You have every right and credibility to post on this thread for sure. What cities did you to? Do you speak Russian? Did you go to other locations? (where are you from, age, and skill)

- I was not bad with women in my 20's and 30's, but I am better in my 40's - WITH SOME WOMEN, not all. I think for men over 30, or 35, the key is to not try to "be pretty" aim for "NOT UGLY." Be cool, fashionable, and let your life experience / success leverage you into unique situations.

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Its clear that she is in it for the passport. Its really the only thing he can offer a 9 that a local guy cant.

I don't know about this ... it depends. Most local guys over the age of 25 are, in fact, butt ugly. Most are rude and abusive, with a lack of education and prospects (most of the universities are full of women, not men). They do have culture in common - and that is BIG. But, I found it easy to just be reserved and let people measure me up ... let the chips fall where they may.

[Wolverine]

(10-04-2012 10:43 AM)ZonZon Wrote:  

Quote:

Physical attraction is important to all women.

I may be cold but i call things as they are which is what needs to be done on a travel thread where people want honest feedback before investing time and money going to unknown locations.

And having just spent a month in Ukraine i have every business commenting on this thread.

You have every right and credibility to post on this thread for sure. What cities did you to? Do you speak Russian? Did you go to other locations? (where are you from, age, and skill)

- I was not bad with women in my 20's and 30's, but I am better in my 40's - WITH SOME WOMEN, not all. I think for men over 30, or 35, the key is to not try to "be pretty" aim for "NOT UGLY." Be cool, fashionable, and let your life experience / success leverage you into unique situations.

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Its clear that she is in it for the passport. Its really the only thing he can offer a 9 that a local guy cant.

I don't know about this ... it depends. Most local guys over the age of 25 are, in fact, butt ugly. Most are rude and abusive, with a lack of education and prospects (most of the universities are full of women, not men). They do have culture in common - and that is BIG. But, I found it easy to just be reserved and let people measure me up ... let the chips fall where they may.

I'm a 35 yr old Russian born Australian. 6ft tall, good looking and confident. I was born in Novosibirsk but left as a young child. I look closer to 28 and speak fluent Russian though with a slight Australian accent. The accent disappears after about 2 weeks back in Russia/Ukraine.

Although my roots are from Russia i have a typically Italian appearance. Brown hair, eyes, and tanned skin which fades in winter. Everyone thinks i look like the b-grade actor 'Mario Lopez' from 'Saved by the Bell'.

Since leaving Ukraine as a child i have spent about 5 months there as an adult in 8 different cities. Most recently in Lviv, Chernivtsi, Vinnitsa and Kiev. I have also spent considerable time in 7 cities in Russia (Moscow, Saint Petersburg, Rostov, Krasnodar, Samara, Ulyanovsk and Belgorod).

I am a semi successful finance professional and have traveled to 31 countries.

I am intimate with the culture and mentality of Russian/Ukrainian women. They love men that are ideally 10-15 years older than them, are pure white (preferably northern european or british, whom they treat like celebrities) are generally successful in life, and behave like confident gentlemen.

Being 47 does not place you at a disadvantage with the 31yr old girl.

But if she is a 9 as you say there are enough local guys whom she can date that possess your attributes. Money, non-alcoholism, good social skills. Even in Poltava.

Hence i say the only thing you can offer her is the passport and the new life experience this will provide.

This was not the case 5 years ago when there were simply too many beautiful girls that even they had to resort to foreigners for basic emotional and sexual validation.

If a 31 yr old is resisting your advances then you should withdraw and move on. A woman at that age is sexually mature and past her prudish years. At 31 shes more horny than you, and i feel her sex drive will suddenly re-ignite itself once she sees all the handsome successful men eye balling her upon arrival at whichever U.S airport you take her to.

[chochemonger1]

(10-04-2012 06:21 AM)Neil Skywalker Wrote:  

(10-03-2012 08:44 PM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

(10-03-2012 05:51 PM)Neil Skywalker Wrote:  

(10-03-2012 04:42 PM)ZonZon Wrote:  

Quote:

When you say Medellin is not that good anymore, what is it too many guys there? Spoiled girls with lack of interest? It's on my list of places to go and I may go this year. There seems to be so many people saying many places in Latin America are played out.

What cities did you find good in Ukraine?

Medellin was GREAT 4 years ago. TOO many mongerers . Too many backpackers. Bad steriotype in people's heads. Only 2 reasons to go to Colombia coke and girls. Other cities are more like the way it "used to be." But Colombia is experiencing a boom now. AND BY THE WAY, don't run game when you are in Gad Damn Dangerous Territory jajajaja Some places are still hot.

UKRAINE? I am not an expert yet (maybe next year) Kiev is a tough place for game. Everywhere is tough when THEY SEE AND EXPECT YOU. However, Kharkov was great for me! I could have made that place a playground. Just like Colombia 4 years ago. But, I spent most of my time in "non-game mode" in a little town in Ukraine. More conservative area in small towns. People are a little leary of being with a foreigner in public.

Another guy who blames backpackers for his lack of luck with girls, I don't know if you noticed but 95% of backpackers are beta dudes who are not pursuing the local girls. I doubt that 5% of backpackers in Ukraine and Colombia (which must be way under a hundred since they aren't particular popular destinations) are ruining things for the rest of foreigners.
Backpackers rarely go after local girls and always try to stick to their own "kind" which means western white girl with a backpack.

If backpackers were racking up lots of notches then there would be tons of books about it instead of only couple. One of my traveling friends traveled the world for a year and got three local notches. One girl I almost pushed him on. Most guys on short trips get zero local notches. Well, maybe a couple in SEA.

Neil you can last as a backpacker for only so long, if you want to slay the local pussy. I had a similar experience that you had traveling at 21, as a backpacker through all of Europe, but with less game and money. You did better for sure with the local girls...I was only with hostel chicks. That is young inexperienced man´s traveling game. Now another era in Skywalkers life has to begin.

Yes, I can feel the clock ticking but I think I can go on for a few more years. Fuck getting old. I have wasted the best years of my life NOT backpacking, now I have to catch up while I still can.

Neil, I guess you arent the rent a nice apartment in a different country (for a month or more) and try to bang as many locals type of traveler. I know I am. But admire your energy and wanting to keep on backpacking. I personally would never do it again.
I think by having your own pad and staying in cities for at least month, it would have been 160 girls instead of 80. Then again you would have missed out on a lot of adventure, which you enjoy.