I would like to bring attention to something that is rarely if ever brought up at these boards.
As recent experiences of Roosh, Kamaki, IKnowExactly, and BigAlexBoss show, getting pussy in say Ukraine (under the terms we are usually comfortable with) is not exactly an easy proposition as some of you may think in your heads. As post after post reveals, the golden days of easy UA pussy is gone for some time now, and obtaining it now takes either time, or money, and in most quality instances it takes both, time and money. Often times a lot more than necessary.
So why even bother?
I think some of you less than experienced travelers may think that these developments won't apply to you, or that the FSU girls' shit doesn't stink. I think many of you may have your thinking process clouded by a (rightful) contempt you have against the western bitches, and automatically wish to assume anything else is better. And in most cases it is, or it may be. But in the example of Ukraine, the path now comes with obstacles that are bringing the value of the overall experience down, as in down to the gutter down. If it takes more time and money to game some poor semi-provincial sweetie in Ukraine than it takes to game her exact ethnic twin in London or New York, really, why bother?
At the end of the day, she may be sweeter than her western counterpart, but was all else worth it?
Moreover, keep in mind that FSU women are some of the most cunning women in recent memory. They are both, uber-materialistic and uber-hypergamous, at levels far higher than most women you will ever meet. The reason perhaps may be in their unfortunate history. There were frequent times (as recently as 1980s) when these women, or at least their moms and aunties, practically starved. So it is in their cultural DNA to do the best they can for themselves, and grab the biggest slice of a pie they can come across, in continuously difficult circumstances.
Which of course comes at your expense.
Either they will quite frankly expect gifts from you (smart phones, smart clothes, shoes, cosmetics) or a certain lifestyle level (fancy dinners, clubbing, traveling). But in many instances they won't openly say it or ask for it lest you think of them worse for it. This may not be too obvious at first, because most of them will be pushing the right GFE buttons, using all the weapons in their feminine arsenal they can to project an "image" of a nice girl from a good home. In some cases, on cheap coffee shop dates, they may even offer to pay themselves (and if they pay once for two coffees, chances are you will willingly repay for that later on many times over.) If not, in many cases they still may take you to cheaper places supposedly to "save you money". But why that is? Think about it, the less money you spend on unnecessary things, the more money you can spend on HER. And for her unnecessary is everything that isn't of higher value directly beneficial to her. THAT is HER thinking, while you are thinking, oh she is such a sweetie, she wants to save me money.
Because of the effects of harsh socioeconomic conditions, especially after the fall of Berlin wall (1989) certain FSU and EE lands became literally the biggest exporters of "meat" on the global "meat market". The most significant if not close to entire prostitution population in places like London, Paris, Rome, New York, Montreal, Dubai, (nowadays far Asia), etc. etc. are made up of Russians, Moldavians, Ukrainians, Polish, etc. Strip joints? Russians, Ukrainians, Romanians, etc. Online marriage agencies: Russia, Ukraine, etc. Online Porn? Russians, Hungarian, Czech-Slovak, Polish, etc. Online scams? Russians, etc.
That, my gents, is the stock with which you are dealing. They may look sweet and demure and hold your hands and stare at the starry sky and quote you poetic passages from their "culture", but don't ever loose of the sight that in FSU they are gaming YOU. And the likes of you, because in the same way you are pipelining and simultaneously pursuing other "prospects", the exact same thing she is doing. And far more successfully than you.
Tips:
Paying for coffee dates, cinema, dinner, and couple of drinks is fine (but why does she needs to drink, isn't she a good girl from a good home?) Paying for occasional taxi is OK if the taxis are cheap in Kiev, if not then it's not OK (they are used to walking and talking public transport all their lives, she'll survive.) Anything over that (including paying for drinks for her friends) and you are in a chump territory my friend.
Push things toward faster resolutions, or toward possibilities for faster resolution.
You want only sex, and you have no other interest in her? 3 cheap dates rule. 5 if your other prospects are slim. Still no pussy = no more dates. Go onto the next one. If she asks, you can be frank. Tell her that she's giving you blue balls, and that these are not 1950s, and that you need some loving as a man if you were to continue to date.
You think there's a possibility of LTR? Take the time you need, but test the shit out of her. Her body, her character, her thinking process. Don't simply ask for her to tell you the right things, pick her brain by asking other things, find an indirect way to find out about her and her values and her personality.
Marriage material? Have you ever been loved by a woman who is head over heels about you? She doesn't care what and where, all she can think of is you two together, anywhere, anyhow. That type of woman will worship you unconditionally, and will not even bat an eyelid when you tell her you want to move to Ukraine and drive a forklift to be with her. She'll think that's the greatest idea she ever heard. Anything less, and you are marrying an upward mover (you are the first path on her stairway to success).
Whenever any bitch in any developing country utters the word "family" (or some family member) as a reason for something that she needs to do, your red flag should immediately pop up on high bullshit alert. She can't be with you this Saturday, because she's going out of town with her family? Yeah right, she is probably flying off with her Turkish provider to some beach resort. If you don't believe me, test her. Press for details, tiny details, even (especially) when she comes back from the trip (ask for names, locations, food, weather, ask for pics), if she can't tell you, or won't tell you, or is at first lost for words, or the story makes no sense - congrats. - you just caught your sweetie lying.
You are sitting in a crowded central square, you are scanning the talent. Nobody is paying much attention to you. Suddenly, there it is. An IOI from a sweetie four benches over. What's more she's smiling at you. Wow, after being a wallpaper for much of the time and being met with all the frumpy, unfriendly post-Soviet looks, one beauty is finally seeing you for what you really are; a true stud muffin! What's more, you can't believe your luck, she speaks some broken English!! Wow, your mind is racing thinking of all the exciting possibilities now awaiting.
Congrats. You were just hooked by a gamer.
Women who crowd popular spots, and/or who open you, or are easily open to your opening are there for a reason. And even if they aren't, you being there just gave them a reason.
Ukraine has been a prime global love/sex tourist destination for good 20 years. During that time if not millions of men from around the world walked around those exact streets you are walking also looking for pussy, cash or not. The situation was bad in the past several years and is now - after the Euro 2012 where hordes of unsophisticated louts with spare cash and lack of time plundered the scene - downright atrocious.
If you are not very internationally experienced, and aren't willing to really stick to playing by firm financial engagement rules, and aren't willing to soberly keep in mind some basic facts, what makes you think you aren't a chump?
These women are sharks, don't be their feed.
As recent experiences of Roosh, Kamaki, IKnowExactly, and BigAlexBoss show, getting pussy in say Ukraine (under the terms we are usually comfortable with) is not exactly an easy proposition as some of you may think in your heads. As post after post reveals, the golden days of easy UA pussy is gone for some time now, and obtaining it now takes either time, or money, and in most quality instances it takes both, time and money. Often times a lot more than necessary.
So why even bother?
I think some of you less than experienced travelers may think that these developments won't apply to you, or that the FSU girls' shit doesn't stink. I think many of you may have your thinking process clouded by a (rightful) contempt you have against the western bitches, and automatically wish to assume anything else is better. And in most cases it is, or it may be. But in the example of Ukraine, the path now comes with obstacles that are bringing the value of the overall experience down, as in down to the gutter down. If it takes more time and money to game some poor semi-provincial sweetie in Ukraine than it takes to game her exact ethnic twin in London or New York, really, why bother?
At the end of the day, she may be sweeter than her western counterpart, but was all else worth it?
Moreover, keep in mind that FSU women are some of the most cunning women in recent memory. They are both, uber-materialistic and uber-hypergamous, at levels far higher than most women you will ever meet. The reason perhaps may be in their unfortunate history. There were frequent times (as recently as 1980s) when these women, or at least their moms and aunties, practically starved. So it is in their cultural DNA to do the best they can for themselves, and grab the biggest slice of a pie they can come across, in continuously difficult circumstances.
Which of course comes at your expense.
Either they will quite frankly expect gifts from you (smart phones, smart clothes, shoes, cosmetics) or a certain lifestyle level (fancy dinners, clubbing, traveling). But in many instances they won't openly say it or ask for it lest you think of them worse for it. This may not be too obvious at first, because most of them will be pushing the right GFE buttons, using all the weapons in their feminine arsenal they can to project an "image" of a nice girl from a good home. In some cases, on cheap coffee shop dates, they may even offer to pay themselves (and if they pay once for two coffees, chances are you will willingly repay for that later on many times over.) If not, in many cases they still may take you to cheaper places supposedly to "save you money". But why that is? Think about it, the less money you spend on unnecessary things, the more money you can spend on HER. And for her unnecessary is everything that isn't of higher value directly beneficial to her. THAT is HER thinking, while you are thinking, oh she is such a sweetie, she wants to save me money.
Because of the effects of harsh socioeconomic conditions, especially after the fall of Berlin wall (1989) certain FSU and EE lands became literally the biggest exporters of "meat" on the global "meat market". The most significant if not close to entire prostitution population in places like London, Paris, Rome, New York, Montreal, Dubai, (nowadays far Asia), etc. etc. are made up of Russians, Moldavians, Ukrainians, Polish, etc. Strip joints? Russians, Ukrainians, Romanians, etc. Online marriage agencies: Russia, Ukraine, etc. Online Porn? Russians, Hungarian, Czech-Slovak, Polish, etc. Online scams? Russians, etc.
That, my gents, is the stock with which you are dealing. They may look sweet and demure and hold your hands and stare at the starry sky and quote you poetic passages from their "culture", but don't ever loose of the sight that in FSU they are gaming YOU. And the likes of you, because in the same way you are pipelining and simultaneously pursuing other "prospects", the exact same thing she is doing. And far more successfully than you.
Tips:
Paying for coffee dates, cinema, dinner, and couple of drinks is fine (but why does she needs to drink, isn't she a good girl from a good home?) Paying for occasional taxi is OK if the taxis are cheap in Kiev, if not then it's not OK (they are used to walking and talking public transport all their lives, she'll survive.) Anything over that (including paying for drinks for her friends) and you are in a chump territory my friend.
Push things toward faster resolutions, or toward possibilities for faster resolution.
You want only sex, and you have no other interest in her? 3 cheap dates rule. 5 if your other prospects are slim. Still no pussy = no more dates. Go onto the next one. If she asks, you can be frank. Tell her that she's giving you blue balls, and that these are not 1950s, and that you need some loving as a man if you were to continue to date.
You think there's a possibility of LTR? Take the time you need, but test the shit out of her. Her body, her character, her thinking process. Don't simply ask for her to tell you the right things, pick her brain by asking other things, find an indirect way to find out about her and her values and her personality.
Marriage material? Have you ever been loved by a woman who is head over heels about you? She doesn't care what and where, all she can think of is you two together, anywhere, anyhow. That type of woman will worship you unconditionally, and will not even bat an eyelid when you tell her you want to move to Ukraine and drive a forklift to be with her. She'll think that's the greatest idea she ever heard. Anything less, and you are marrying an upward mover (you are the first path on her stairway to success).
Whenever any bitch in any developing country utters the word "family" (or some family member) as a reason for something that she needs to do, your red flag should immediately pop up on high bullshit alert. She can't be with you this Saturday, because she's going out of town with her family? Yeah right, she is probably flying off with her Turkish provider to some beach resort. If you don't believe me, test her. Press for details, tiny details, even (especially) when she comes back from the trip (ask for names, locations, food, weather, ask for pics), if she can't tell you, or won't tell you, or is at first lost for words, or the story makes no sense - congrats. - you just caught your sweetie lying.
You are sitting in a crowded central square, you are scanning the talent. Nobody is paying much attention to you. Suddenly, there it is. An IOI from a sweetie four benches over. What's more she's smiling at you. Wow, after being a wallpaper for much of the time and being met with all the frumpy, unfriendly post-Soviet looks, one beauty is finally seeing you for what you really are; a true stud muffin! What's more, you can't believe your luck, she speaks some broken English!! Wow, your mind is racing thinking of all the exciting possibilities now awaiting.
Congrats. You were just hooked by a gamer.
Women who crowd popular spots, and/or who open you, or are easily open to your opening are there for a reason. And even if they aren't, you being there just gave them a reason.
Ukraine has been a prime global love/sex tourist destination for good 20 years. During that time if not millions of men from around the world walked around those exact streets you are walking also looking for pussy, cash or not. The situation was bad in the past several years and is now - after the Euro 2012 where hordes of unsophisticated louts with spare cash and lack of time plundered the scene - downright atrocious.
If you are not very internationally experienced, and aren't willing to really stick to playing by firm financial engagement rules, and aren't willing to soberly keep in mind some basic facts, what makes you think you aren't a chump?
These women are sharks, don't be their feed.
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