[HiFlo]

(09-29-2012 01:02 PM)MidniteSpecial Wrote:  

Or work on your people skills. The best way to win a fight is to not have one. Seems your ego gets in the way and you have to yell back and escalate when you can easily diffuse the situation with words. After you do that if they still have a problem or they touch you than go into beast mode but its better for everyone if you talk your way out of beef. Girls are turned on by that more than fighting believe it or not. Be like water my friend.

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Or work on your people skills. The best way to win a fight is to not have one. Seems your ego gets in the way and you have to yell back and escalate when you can easily diffuse the situation with words. After you do that if they still have a problem or they touch you than go into beast mode but its better for everyone if you talk your way out of beef. Girls are turned on by that more than fighting believe it or not. Be like water my friend.

Or you do this and talk your way out of it, it's the smart thing to do.
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I guess who haven't been in fights with drunk rednecks...there's little chance in diffusing the situation no matter what verbal jiujitsui who try...trust me, I try.

In this particular instance, I walked away 3 times but dude gets in my face every time and pushes me yelling, "you think you're a tough guy, you're not so tough fight back like a man. you think you can bully girls, but won't fight with another man. fuck you"

[FretDancer]

^ MidniteSpecial speaks truth, its all ego, but thats the way we are wired.

You should try avoiding those venues man, for your own good and clearly for the good of others , although who doesn't enjoy watching a white knight get his ass beat real good.

It seems from your post you were rolling solo, if you keep rolling solo to places like this, you'll be out of luck someday soon.

[el mechanico]

@ Fisto, the dude grabbed your shoulder then escalated. He deserved what he got and you should have never gotten a ticket. But since you did the right way to play it is to give it to a good criminal defense lawyer and get it squashed right away. Now you have to go to trail and that's going to suck. They had too much time to build a bigger case against you when your lawyer should have had half of it shut down before they started calling the DA. There's nothing I hate more than people who want to play badass then when the shit hits the fan they call cops and start law suits etc. This is the reason I don't go to clubs or bars with security I'll ask my buddy out there in Henderson if he knows anyone who can try and fix that for you if you don't have someone.

Another thing about cops...They make a lot of decisions based on your backround. When you give them your id they swipe it and pull up your history then decide who's the bigger scumbag. If that dude bowed up to Fisto I bet it's not his first time. A good lawyer will figure all that out and have it dropped before you see a courthouse. Don't ever sleep on this stuff.

[Samseau]

A lot of people are misunderstanding my gun comment. The point of the gun isn't to carry it out with you to nightclubs. It's to have it in case of emergencies. If the area you are in is that dangerous, you must be prepared for the worst case scenarios.

Keep the gun in your car when you go out at night, so you have someplace to fall back upon in case a group of hostile men follow you outside of a club. This way, should you be in a dangerous situation, you can run your ass away (make it look like you're a coward), but then you come back with the gun should they follow.

If you live next to a popular club, keep a gun in your apartment.



Also, I've never been in a serious fight since grade school. Why? I'm basically evil when it comes to shit like this, I throw morals out the window and I play to win.

Fisto's comment:

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The bar was very crowded and I wasn't even paying attention to these people but the guy (a roided out late 30s goatee and stenciled shirt wearing asshole, probably bigbootylvr) grabbed my shoulder and said "you just bumped into my girlfriend, tell her your sorry". This has literally almost never happened to me since I was 26 (the last time I was in a street fight) or so.

What I would do in this situation is resort to trickery. After telling the guy, "I wasn't even close to her", and yet he continues to escalate the confrontation, it's time to outsmart him.

"You know what dude, I wasn't aware I did anything. Let me make it up to you. Tell you what, I'll buy her a drink."

Then you walk away while he thinks he's the victor. You then go to the bouncers. "Yo dude, this guy over there is trying to pick a fight with me. I've managed to walk away, but he's really drunk. I'm going to the bar to buy a drink and mind my own business, but if you see him run up to me, you know why. I'd appreciate it if you watched my back."

Then you slip the bouncer a twenty.

You then go up to the bar to make it look like you're buying a drink. Proceed to game whatever girl you want. Ignore the asshole who picked a fight with you.

If, after 20-30 minutes or so, the drunk piece of shit comes up to you again, this is when you wave over the bouncer. If the guy tries to shove you or hit you, just block his attacks and make your way to the bouncer. Eventually the bouncers will see you, and since you've tipped them they should throw the bum out.

You win.



Another point.

Should I ever get into trouble, and knock a dude out, or, god forbid, kill someone, I would be out of that place faster than The Flash. Don't bother trying to explain yourself, just get the fuck out of there.

[MikeCF]

Damn, Fisto, that sucks bro.

You need a referral? I know a legit vegas crim defense lawyer. Got a good deal for a buddy of mine and he has a great rep.

[MidniteSpecial]

Good lawyers cost good money. So you guys would rather pay off a lawyer for a x amount of years than try to diffuse it first?

There are only three reasons to ever fight someone. 1. If someone is physically attacking you. 2. If someone is physically attacking your family. 3. If you and someone else a buddy or whatever agree to a fist fight in a neutral location where no one will jump in and cops won't be involved. Someone putting their hand on your shoulder is not the best reason because it won't hold up in court that well...being in court with "he put his hand on my shoulder" is not as good as "he was punching me and trying to get me to the ground."

Just my two cents. It sucks we live in a day and age where there are so many rules but we have to adapt to our situation.

[hypesession]

(09-29-2012 02:47 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

A lot of people are misunderstanding my gun comment. The point of the gun isn't to carry it out with you to nightclubs. It's to have it in case of emergencies. If the area you are in is that dangerous, you must be prepared for the worst case scenarios.

Keep the gun in your car when you go out at night, so you have someplace to fall back upon in case a group of hostile men follow you outside of a club. This way, should you be in a dangerous situation, you can run your ass away (make it look like you're a coward), but then you come back with the gun should they follow.

If you live next to a popular club, keep a gun in your apartment.



Also, I've never been in a serious fight since grade school. Why? I'm basically evil when it comes to shit like this, I throw morals out the window and I play to win.

Fisto's comment:

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The bar was very crowded and I wasn't even paying attention to these people but the guy (a roided out late 30s goatee and stenciled shirt wearing asshole, probably bigbootylvr) grabbed my shoulder and said "you just bumped into my girlfriend, tell her your sorry". This has literally almost never happened to me since I was 26 (the last time I was in a street fight) or so.

What I would do in this situation is resort to trickery. After telling the guy, "I wasn't even close to her", and yet he continues to escalate the confrontation, it's time to outsmart him.

"You know what dude, I wasn't aware I did anything. Let me make it up to you. Tell you what, I'll buy her a drink."

Then you walk away while he thinks he's the victor. You then go to the bouncers. "Yo dude, this guy over there is trying to pick a fight with me. I've managed to walk away, but he's really drunk. I'm going to the bar to buy a drink and mind my own business, but if you see him run up to me, you know why. I'd appreciate it if you watched my back."

Then you slip the bouncer a twenty.

You then go up to the bar to make it look like you're buying a drink. Proceed to game whatever girl you want. Ignore the asshole who picked a fight with you.

If, after 20-30 minutes or so, the drunk piece of shit comes up to you again, this is when you wave over the bouncer. If the guy tries to shove you or hit you, just block his attacks and make your way to the bouncer. Eventually the bouncers will see you, and since you've tipped them they should throw the bum out.

You win.



Another point.

Should I ever get into trouble, and knock a dude out, or, god forbid, kill someone, I would be out of that place faster than The Flash. Don't bother trying to explain yourself, just get the fuck out of there.

"Yo dude," YOu have quite an imagination.

Lets see you're going to get a gun for protection and safety, then hide it in your apt. When shit hits the fan you're going to run home to safety, grap your weapon, then run back to the club and what youre going to have a duel?

Whats plan b? ok were gonna grease the bouncer, crawl over to him when some guy smashes a bottle over your face. perfect we got that covered.

Gotcha. sounds like a plan. Lets roll.

[hypesession]

wait. whos bringing walkie talkies?

[MikeCF]

Some guys like to fight. Guys who ride a high horse about never fighting are more often just rationalizing cowardice.

I'm surprised Fisto got stepped to. Was it some shit hole bar?

I avoid townie bars because guys want to "fight or fuck." If in a rural area or around lower class people, I dip out early.

I look unpleasant enough that no guy has gotten in my face in a few years. Last fight was because a guy was popping off to my friends.

I beat the guy up. Then stayed at the scene of the crime to mack. (Street smarts failure.) Then he sucker punched me, splitting my eye open.

It was fun.

[MidniteSpecial]

(09-29-2012 03:49 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

Some guys like to fight. Guys who ride a high horse about never fighting are more often just rationalizing cowardice.

I'm surprised Fisto got stepped to. Was it some shit hole bar?

I avoid townie bars because guys want to "fight or fuck." If in a rural area or around lower class people, I dip out early.

I look unpleasant enough that no guy has gotten in my face in a few years. Last fight was because a guy was popping off to my friends.

I beat the guy up. Then stayed at the scene of the crime to mack. (Street smarts failure.) Then he sucker punched me, splitting my eye open.

It was fun.

Not riding a high horse. Been in a lot of fights. Been sliced. Been hit with a bat. Hit with a bottle. A gun was drawn on me once. Got jumped by about five Haitians outside a club. Had someone try to run me over with a car. I'm just at a point in my life where I recognize my ego and dismiss it. If someone wants to feel tougher than me because they "bitched" me out let them have that victory. Since I have been different though I really don't get into beef like that anymore and people dont really step to me. to be honest no one ever stepped to me anyway i blame myself for majority of my fights. Like I said there are only three reasons to fight. Someone talking shit isn't one of them. I feel you though and am not going to sit here and say fighting is wrong or not to do it. Shit if you have bail money and a good lawyer fuck it, do you. It doesn't sound like he has ten stacks on him for bail though so I Was just trying to help dude cause he seems to have a problem.

[IainMuirs]

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If the area you are in is that dangerous, you must be prepared for the worst case scenarios.

Yeah fair enough if I was in down town Helmand Province I might need it, not for a night out on the town in the states.

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Keep the gun in your car when you go out at night, so you have someplace to fall back upon in case a group of hostile men follow you outside of a club. This way, should you be in a dangerous situation, you can run your ass away (make it look like you're a coward), but then you come back with the gun should they follow.

If you live next to a popular club, keep a gun in your apartment.

If you've already ran away from the danger what's the point in going back to it? If you escape then go back with a gun what's the plan next? Shoot them? You can't claim self defence if you escaped the danger, picked your gun up THEN went back and shot them so you'd be completely fucked.

[el mechanico]

I think Samseau had a few too many bong rips before he wrote out his plan with the gun and whatnot.

[DarkTriad]

(09-29-2012 03:39 AM)HiFlo Wrote:  

In the south there are a SHITTON of white knights.

Tonight, I was talking to this chick outside the club for quite a bit, then started talking with the rest of the group. She started to say goodbyes when I wasn't paying attention and next thing you know she started walking off. Yeah, I know obviously if the attraction was there she woulda made an effort to say goodbye to me. Anyway, it was 2am and I was in hail-mary. I walked maybe 10ft after her, yelling out, "hey, wait wait I need your number. We need to hang out."

I think she responded something but then these two dudes who I never seen before and who didn't girl never seen before came up behind me and started giving me shit, "you don't disrespect women that way" on repeat for 5x. I started to walk away, this one dude kept getting in my face as I walked away. I kept walking back to where I was, I don't want to fight. He follows and finally where chest to chest, I start going berserk yelling "get the fuck outta here" he pushes me a couple times, I yell "get the fuck outta here again."

Finally I give him a big fucking shove hoping he'll get the point. He loses his balance but recovers, swings once, misses, swings again gets contact. I tackle him and start wailing away on his head, there's blood spurting on the sidewalk. His friend tries to hit me, I ignore and keep on wailing at dude's head. My jaw hurts where he connected but that's about it (fortunately).

I don't feel good about this, there's too much fucking risk over fucking nothing. I don't want to further the reputation as a fighter among the small bar scene and the patroling police.

But in the dirty south these redneck-ass white knights are fucking ridiculous, and after 12:30PM after they're liquored up they get violent. Last week a similar thing happened where I was talking to a couple girls for 5 min and this dude who was friends with them comes out of nowhere and gets in my face pushing me. I start going verbally berserk, but since it was in a bar it was broken up quickly. This girl who I had chatted with a few minutes way earlier in the night saw me and said, "hey come here, talk to me and calm down a bit." I start talking to her and then her bf (who I met earlier with her and but I honestly thought was a gay friend) gets in my face like a bulldog for talking to his girl. More in-your-face verbal cagematching but nothing physical. It's one thing to say, "Hey, that's my girl get lost dude," but something else completely to just violently fucking whig out on a someone talking to a girl.

What the fuck man. Y'all have these crazy white knights in your area? I fucking hate fighting man and this is starting to cause a deterrent to me hitting the club scene.

It's bad too cause even though I'm only 5' 7" I'm pretty ripped & yolked so these clowns who been drinking they see me as a challenge, "Oh I wanna fight this guy he looks like a tough guy, I'll show him." I should note that the extremely big guys are cool, but its the punks who hit the gym once a week, or just ran their first steroid cycle, or play monday-morning quarterback on MMA fights who like to get in my face.

My sympathies on the White Knight bullshit, but am I the only one that feels that there was possibly something left out of this story?

Also, your reasons for not being a regular anywhere

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I've been blown out of enough sets where a few girls have reported back to the staff/security that I came across as weird and creepy

I'm not big on the Feminazi creep-shaming bullshit (we're all just doing what it takes to get the bang), but if your regular game is enough to commonly get you reported to security, and occasionally assaulted by groups of strangers, perhaps you need to change up something in your game.

Not saying that in a free and just society you shouldn't be able to do what you do, but if you're running into these problems often, change up to something that draws less heat in your current scene.

[Tuthmosis]

I found a video footage of Samseau dealing with some beef at a local bar after a friendly card game.

Note how he dispenses of some white knights @2:16.

Joking aside, this is a solid diffusion tactic:

(09-29-2012 02:47 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

"You know what dude, I wasn't aware I did anything. Let me make it up to you. Tell you what, I'll buy her a drink."

Then you walk away while he thinks he's the victor. You then go to the bouncers.

[HiFlo]

(09-29-2012 07:36 PM)DarkTriad Wrote:  

My sympathies on the White Knight bullshit, but am I the only one that feels that there was possibly something left out of this story?

Also, your reasons for not being a regular anywhere

Nothing was left out of my story. It was totally bizarre. Fact is stranger than fiction often.

I'm a regular at all the hot clubs in my town. The staffs just don't like me and waits for me to slip.

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if your regular game is enough to commonly get you reported to security, and occasionally assaulted by groups of strangers, perhaps you need to change up something in your game.

I'm of the opinion that unless you're an expert, if you're NOT getting blown out of the occasional set you're doing something wrong and you're not pushing your comfort level far enough. Didn't you say you were a cop in another thread? I think that explains your position.

[hypesession]

(09-29-2012 07:48 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

I found a video footage of Samseau dealing with some beef at a local bar after a friendly card game.

Note how he dispenses of some white knights @2:16.

Joking aside, this is a solid diffusion tactic:

(09-29-2012 02:47 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

"You know what dude, I wasn't aware I did anything. [b]Let me make it up to you. Tell you what, I'll buy her a drink."

Then you walk away while he thinks he's the victor. You then go to the bouncers.[/b]

Excuse me, but in this case it is not. If I understand the situation correctly, which I think I do, the man does not have a legitimate complaint besides the fact that he doesn't like hiflo because he's hitting on girls.

He just wants to fight him and that's the end of it. there's no rational appeal to logic in this case. and if he's drunk all the more worse.

Not saying maybe it will work sometimes if the guy is reasonable. But that backpedaling technique is far from solid, sorry.

[HiFlo]

(09-29-2012 02:47 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

What I would do in this situation is resort to trickery. After telling the guy, "I wasn't even close to her", and yet he continues to escalate the confrontation, it's time to outsmart him.

"You know what dude, I wasn't aware I did anything. Let me make it up to you. Tell you what, I'll buy her a drink."

In my situation, the girl was walking off, when the two white knights came from behind me (and I was about 15 ft behind the girl hollaring at her in my big boy voice). The girl continued walking away and was nowhere to be scene when the rest of the shit happened. The white knights were defending the honor of a girl who was long gone and will probably their male altruism and chauvinism.

[IainMuirs]

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I'm of the opinion that unless you're an expert, if you're NOT getting blown out of the occasional set you're doing something wrong and you're not pushing your comfort level far enough. Didn't you say you were a cop in another thread? I think that explains your position.

Of course you should be chatting up girls at every occasion but what is it you're doing that makes them so freaked out that instead of just ignoring you or telling you to fuck off they go find security and report you?

[HiFlo]

If I'm not in-state and the girls are attention-seeking self-entitled whores they get a kick out of knocking guys down and out of the club. Like I said previously, I live in a blue-pill southern city and the girls pretty much run the show at clubs.

[el mechanico]

(09-29-2012 09:03 PM)HiFlo Wrote:  

If I'm not in-state and the girls are attention-seeking self-entitled whores they get a kick out of knocking guys down and out of the club. Like I said previously, I live in a blue-pill southern city and the girls pretty much run the show at clubs.

We have blue pill cities and states now? That's the one we aren't supposed to take right?

[TheBulldozer]

The greatest lesson in life I've ever learned is that it's not my responsibility to teach anyone else a lesson.

I'll say anything in a situation to make the situation fall into a favorable position for me. But never watch what I say, watch what I do.

[hypesession]

awesome. perrrfect

[iknowexactly]

(09-29-2012 05:27 PM)IainMuirs Wrote:  

You can't claim self defence if you escaped the danger, picked your gun up THEN went back and shot them so you'd be completely fucked.

yes, come back with a gun,
and it's Murder 1!!

You'll have plenty of time to brag about how tough you were....

and the elephant in the room is....

are you an alcoholic in denial?

[iknowexactly]

(09-29-2012 02:47 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Another point.

Should I ever get into trouble, and knock a dude out, or, god forbid, kill someone, I would be out of that place faster than The Flash. Don't bother trying to explain yourself, just get the fuck out of there.

yeah , foolproof , mastermind. 10 people will get make, model and probably license plate as you hightail it out of bar. 70 % clearance rate on impulse killings.

https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/jr000243b.pdf

great odds. plus think of that great outlaw life waiting for the Man to nail you for murder. what an existence to look forward to.

[EisenBarde]

This is just another reason why I don't do night game. Why even bother putting yourself in a situation like this?