[Duke Castile]

(10-01-2012 10:00 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

(10-01-2012 08:28 PM)Merenguero Wrote:  

There was supposedly a video from the casino which was exculpatory, but nevertheless this guy was charged with assault as a result of this incident. I'm pretty sure that guy got off in that case. I am bringing this up because it may be at least fairly common for people to be charged in cases of this nature in Las Vegas where there is little or no chance that the state could meet its burden.

The point is who needs the hassle? To show some moron you won't back down? Why do you take a moron's opinion into account? Or the morons looking on?

I mentioned before that when you get to the good gigs, big gubmint contracts, high paid professional licenses, they ask what you've been ARRESTED for, besides what you're convicted for. When you tap dance and say it was all a mistake or unfair you just sound like MORE of a barroom brawler or anti-social fuckup.

And ESPECIALLY if it's violent and you're not going for something like a military contractor job where things like that are common, they'll give the gig to ANYONE BUT YOU.

Things at work are stressful enough without having a vain hothead around who likes getting in fights.

And again the question no one's asked.. how much were you drinking.. this time and the other times you had problems... not everyone can drink

I'd appreciate it if you read what I wrote, base all your opinions solely off of that, and then didn't project a bunch of assumptions onto the situation. I already wrote that I have a clean record, I already explained how the encounter happened and admitted I struck the guy first. If alcohol was an issue with me that night I would have included it as part of the reason I made the choices I did. You can say what you want from afar, but clearly you've never been face to face with someone that isn't taking no for an answer, where you have a split second to make a decision. I thought the guy was going to hit me so I hit him first.

[iknowexactly]

(10-02-2012 12:48 AM)Fisto Wrote:  

isn't taking no for an answer, where you have a split second to make a decision. I thought the guy was going to hit me so I hit him first.

Sorry if I am being disagreeable.

I am not objective on this. I've had literally thousands of patients when I worked in prisons, hundreds of whom wrecked their lives forever with 25 to life sentences due to violence. And the parole boards haven't let one out for years. It means LIFE.

All they can do is try to adapt to life inside, never seeing another pussy again. It's very depressing to hear free people who can't understand they're risking their freedom-- forever.

My Aikido teacher told me the best defense is to run.

[DarkTriad]

(10-02-2012 02:01 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

(10-02-2012 12:48 AM)Fisto Wrote:  

isn't taking no for an answer, where you have a split second to make a decision. I thought the guy was going to hit me so I hit him first.

Sorry if I am being disagreeable.

I am not objective on this. I've had literally thousands of patients when I worked in prisons, hundreds of whom wrecked their lives forever with 25 to life sentences due to violence. And the parole boards haven't let one out for years. It means LIFE.

All they can do is try to adapt to life inside, never seeing another pussy again. It's very depressing to hear free people who can't understand they're risking their freedom-- forever.

My Aikido teacher told me the best defense is to run.

I work in the System too. Keep in mind that what you're hearing is the collective snowjobs/prison excuses of a thousand losers trying to avoid responsibilty for their actions, and has only the slightest connection to reality. Yeah, when they tell the story it sounds like a jam many normal people could get into. It very rarely is. People routinely get away with all kinds of crazy/shity behavior on a daily basis. If I hand to live like a sheep every day, life would really suck. I avoid trouble, but stand up for myself when confronted by douchebags. If you get into the habit of always backing down, the street predators will smell it and target you more.

We don't live in Afghanistan, the mortality rate even for some pretty wild and crazy maniacs is astronomically low. I guarantee there are many people on this forum that regularly take bigger risks with their life/health/freedom driving home after a few drinks than they would standing up for themselves.

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My Aikido teacher told me the best defense is to run.

The pure Avoidance strategy was grilled into my had endlessly too. As I became older and wiser, I had to add that to the pile of things that society had told me that wasn't completely true.

[FretDancer]

Quote:

My Aikido teacher told me the best defense is to run.

Hey iknowexactly how long have you been doing Aikido?

[Aliblahba]

(10-02-2012 04:44 PM)FretDancer Wrote:  

Quote:

My Aikido teacher told me the best defense is to run.

Hey iknowexactly how long have you been doing Aikido?

And thus the temperment of modern American men. How I grieve at the loss of the Greatest Generation. We truly are fucked.

edit: Oh yeah, you wanna know why women have had to step up and me masculine? Really? See above.

[Aliblahba]

My family would rather me spend 3 months in jail and come out alive than cower and die from fear of the law. Gents, once your dead that's it. No more on this planet. Unless you think of reincarnation, and cowards become dicksucking callboys.

Stand your ground. Protect your freedom and rights. Some fuck grabs me in a bar? He violated my rights. I will act accordingly.

[el mechanico]

I see two things here. Half the guys say back down and half say fuck that..

Question for you "back down" guys..

Do you think you would be pulling from the bar or club if the fuck that guys were there in equal numbers?? I'm not talking about fighting them. Would you think primal natural selection would come into play?

[snoop]

(09-29-2012 08:01 PM)HiFlo Wrote:  

Nothing was left out of my story. It was totally bizarre. Fact is stranger than fiction often.

I'm a regular at all the hot clubs in my town. The staffs just don't like me and waits for me to slip.

Why didn't you lock those places down first?

[nyctopdawg]

How to avoid fights at the club/bar:

Never go to venue alone unless you know the staff.
When you go to a spot where the staff specially the bouncers don't know you, always roll with a least one friend.
There is almost no upside in going out at night alone to a place where you're not known. Low confidence, low social status, girls sense your low social status and dudes see you as an easy target.
If you're known at a spot, you can chat up the bouncers / bartenders and act like you even work there.

The above will avoid 90% of your confrontations.

If you do end up in a fight, don't hit your opponent in the face/head. Learn how to give good body shots and body locks. Beat up his mid section or put him in a lock. You're less likely to cause serious injury which you don't want unless he has a weapon of some sort and threatening your life in which case, kill him first because being dead is worse than being locked up.

In most minor fights try not to get the cops involved if possible. My experience with police has never been pleasant even when I was reporting a crime.

[DarkTriad]

(10-02-2012 06:46 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

My family would rather me spend 3 months in jail and come out alive than cower and die from fear of the law. Gents, once your dead that's it. No more on this planet. Unless you think of reincarnation, and cowards become dicksucking callboys.

Stand your ground. Protect your freedom and rights. Some fuck grabs me in a bar? He violated my rights. I will act accordingly.

"A coward dies a thousand deaths, a brave man dies but once"

[FretDancer]

(10-02-2012 06:46 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

My family would rather me spend 3 months in jail and come out alive than cower and die from fear of the law. Gents, once your dead that's it. No more on this planet. Unless you think of reincarnation, and cowards become dicksucking callboys.

Stand your ground. Protect your freedom and rights. Some fuck grabs me in a bar? He violated my rights. I will act accordingly.

Oh how I wish I lived in America.

[HiFlo]

(10-02-2012 08:57 PM)nyctopdawg Wrote:  

How to avoid fights at the club/bar:

Never go to venue alone unless you know the staff.
When you go to a spot where the staff specially the bouncers don't know you, always roll with a least one friend.
There is almost no upside in going out at night alone to a place where you're not known. Low confidence, low social status, girls sense your low social status and dudes see you as an easy target.
If you're known at a spot, you can chat up the bouncers / bartenders and act like you even work there.

The above will avoid 90% of your confrontations.

If you do end up in a fight, don't hit your opponent in the face/head. Learn how to give good body shots and body locks. Beat up his mid section or put him in a lock. You're less likely to cause serious injury which you don't want unless he has a weapon of some sort and threatening your life in which case, kill him first because being dead is worse than being locked up.

In most minor fights try not to get the cops involved if possible. My experience with police has never been pleasant even when I was reporting a crime.

This takes the cake for the most retarded post in the thread, even worse than Samseau's "pack some heat" recommendation. hahahaha

[bacon]

fighting over pussy is never worth it. this is even more true if you have something to loose like assets in litigation following an attack or fight.

i dont know what your economic situation is BUT

my advice is get an umbrella policy with your insurance company its usually less than 1k a yr and this will cover 1 million dollars and up. that way if you fuck him up this policy will cover it.

[Screwston]

(10-02-2012 02:01 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

(10-02-2012 12:48 AM)Fisto Wrote:  

isn't taking no for an answer, where you have a split second to make a decision. I thought the guy was going to hit me so I hit him first.

Sorry if I am being disagreeable.

I am not objective on this. I've had literally thousands of patients when I worked in prisons, hundreds of whom wrecked their lives forever with 25 to life sentences due to violence. And the parole boards haven't let one out for years. It means LIFE.

All they can do is try to adapt to life inside, never seeing another pussy again. It's very depressing to hear free people who can't understand they're risking their freedom-- forever.

My Aikido teacher told me the best defense is to run.

Your teacher's advice was to be a coward and run? I can understand trying to avoid fights because I hate throwing punches unless I have to, but I'll never get how some guys are so scared to get into it with someone.

[Adam Michaels]

I dont think its "being a coward" if you run. Me? I dont fight people anymore. Why? its stupid. Wanna start problems with me? I'll leave the bar. I have no problem leaving the bar, going to another one, or just going home. For real, what do you lose out on? A SNL? My pride? Shit, call me a pussy. My pride doesnt get hurt from drunk guys getting in my face and me choosing to evade because its the smart thing to do.

And this whole pride thing is rediculous. I have tons of pride. If I get to the point where I am going to fight someone, there isnt an off switch, I go for the kill. When im to the point of fighting, I'll fight the bouncers too. My whole family has issues with anger and rage so I try and keep it calm. Thats why I only resort to fighting if its means Im backed into a corner and have no way out. Its just not worth it. I ruined my highschool football career 2 years in a row beating peoples ass and breaking my hands. Good luck playing Running Back in a cast. I wish I could have just walked away when people got in my face and instead went on to try and earn a scholarship. I guess that would have been acting "like a pussy" and "having no pride", but I would have been healthy for both seasons. It felt good to win both fights, but not even 24 hours later when I showed up to practice in a cast, the "pride" was gone and I realized it wasnt worth it.

And besides my mother and sister, there is NO women I will fight for. Like some guys said above, I guess thats why women had to become masculine. Your crazy if you think I'm gonna get in a fight or confrontation because someone called a girl I'm with a bitch or accidently spilled a little beer on her head. Once again, call me a pussy, but I will just tell her to get up and we will leave to a different section or move seats. I'll help clean her head off and comfort her, but im sure as shit not fighting over it. Yeah it sucks you got spilled on, but what can you do? If she wants some dude who is going to fight for her "honor" (most likely lack thereof), then I'm not the man for her.Go find some dude who will jeopardize his entire future for a chick hes not sure if he will even be dating next month . Once again, if me and her are backed into a corner with no where else to go, you best believe I'm fighting everyone in site. But if I have a way out, I'll take it.

Its not about keepin it real, its about keepin it real smart. The old guys on here can do whatever they want. Im just trying to speak to the younger guys who are still figuring out what it means to be a man. Wanna see what your made of and how much pride you have? Go do an amateur boxing or MMA fight. Then you'll so what your really made of. Go spar 5 rounds with an undefeated boxing pro. Shit, if you wanna make it more extreme, go Enlist and serve in the Army. But fighting some drunk guy who called you out or the girl your with? If that makes you feel like more of a man, then more power to you. When I wanna feel pride, I compete against top level amateurs in the golden gloves who are trained to fight, not some random, middle age drunk bum.

Tell people what they wanna hear. I bumped your chick? My bad, I totally didnt mean to. IM EXTREMELY SORRY. Then I smile, they say its ok, and many times they invite me back to the table for a round of drinks on them because "hes so nice and polite!" Its hard for people to stay mad if you genuinely sound sorry. You dont have to actually be sorry, just say what they wanna hear, walk around the corner, and holler at another chick. So what you lost the original girl, if she really wanted you she would be standing next to you telling the white knights shes with you.

Shit im half black, I've heard "nigger" in my vicinity or even directed at me, and I normally just ignore it or leave. I try to not let ignorant or drunk people have any effect on my life. Even if a dude swings on me, I just move out the way and get the bouncers. If you guys are staying in top shape, besides getting jumped, you should be able to defend yourself from random average dudes until the bouncers get there.

And as long as your not actually a coward, you will still get respect at the venue by the way you held yourself and dealt with the situation. Im not saying to drop to your knees and get pushed around, im just saying to calmly and maturely deal with the situation in the best way to avoid a fight.

[snoop]

(10-01-2012 08:24 AM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

Agreed.

The spilling of the beer,fair enough,accidents happen. No need to get pissed over that,we've all done it. However if I'm out with my woman and a dude is calling her a fcuking bitch when she has done nothing wrong then I'd have to say something.I certainly would not want it to go physical but I'd definitely turn around and tell him to calm his mouth down. The drunk was disrespecting the girl AND her man. If you start letting people get away with that you'll have every pigeon in the neighborhood taking a shit on your head.

And you will also spend your life chasing all the pigeons in the neighborhood instead of doing something ejoyable with your time.

[BadWolf]

Some quick advice.

#1. Invest in some real martial arts lessons. I do 8 different arts and I've only been in about 2 fights where I've had to use them. AND only because I was young and too dumb to walk away.

#2. Get your ass down to Mexico NOW... not next month, not next week, right now, pack up everything you own into your car and head for the border... no car? Sell all your sh1t tommorow and take a bus down to Mexico city with the clothes on your back and a brown bag ham sandwich. Jail is not cool at anytime, I've been there and trust me it totally sucks. You can live a kickass life in Mexico in just about any city. If you think you might have time, enroll in a TESOL program for a weekend and then get down there...if not, just make a run for it.

#3. How to avoid bar fights? Don't go to bars. Go to church, the women there are better quality than the trash you'll meet hanging off a bar stool.
Why put yourself in a position where you could be faced with potential danger? Better to spend your weekend at home playing Diablo 3 with some friends or watching a 3D movie on your new set. Better yet, sitting down to a beer and a taco in Mexico with a hot fresa.

Get a job as an English Teacher and forget about all this sh1t. You don't know, the police could be looking for a guy that matches your description right now. If I were you, I'd quit my job and fucking run for thehills. Mexican hills. They're not so bad actually, a place in Toluca, Mexico will only run you 150 dollars per month. Start attending church and thank god everyday for your freedom. If I were you, I would be hitting the road the second I read this message. Trust me, jail is a very real place and going there really really sucks.

This guy Adam Michael's knows what the hell he's talking about. I have seriously and permanently disfigured my hand from fighting...

Seriously consider option #2

[Divorco]

(09-29-2012 12:03 PM)Fisto Wrote:  

no redneck/punk was going to beat me up... but the guy (a roided out late 30s goatee and stenciled shirt wearing asshole, probably bigbootylvr) grabbed my shoulder and said "you just bumped into my girlfriend, tell her your sorry". ... The chick is on the other side of the table from me.

I broke his orbital bone and it looks like I'm going to have to pay 28k in restitution (for his medical bills) to avoid jail time.

I'm a year late to this thread, but it reads like Jekyll and Hyde. The good Fisto would say your are right, I must apologize. Then he would walk around the table to the girl, give her a hug, and smirk at the guy.

Also puzzling: How can you pay restitution on an extended BKK trip?

[A War You Cannot Win]

As one of my old platoon commanders told me, some ancient wisdom from the venerable Captain D:

'Dangerous people don't seek out trouble'. He's absolutely right. The last time someone tried to start a fight with me at a bar over some girl he went up to me and tried to touch his chest with mine. That's shit so fucking stupid. I threw a straight to his throat, kicked his front knee out of from under him then grabbed him by the hair and introduced his face to the bar counter. I then grabbed a 'weapon of opportunity' as the USMC would call it which was a pool stick in this case and screamed out for his friends since it is idiotic to fight alone. Luckily before shit got really out of hand my friend and the doorman who I was cool with grabbed me and tossed me in my buddy's car and got the hell out of dodge.

I could've easily killed him or at least maimed or crippled him in some capacity and went to jail for years over what? Some stupid pump and dump I wouldn't have bothered to call in the morning. Or maybe one of his friends was packing and full of liquid courage and could've got off a lucky shot and shared my brains with the juke box? Going to prison or getting killed because I needed to prove how tough I was is beyond retarded. I'm not saying be a doormat and let people walk all over you, I'm saying don't fight unless you absolutely have to and in that case, fight dirty.

Now that I'm older I see just how foolish my actions were and I was lucky to have people looking out for me.

Anyway if you fuck with me to the abyss with fighting fairly. Use escalation of force people. You want to fist fight? Great I'm bringing out my knife or collapsible baton. You wanna bring a blade or bludgeon into this? Cool, I sometimes conceal carry (legally) a sig sauer P220. Fighting 'honorably' is going to get you curb stomped or worse.

[Brodiaga]

(10-02-2012 08:57 PM)nyctopdawg Wrote:  

How to avoid fights at the club/bar:

Never go to venue alone unless you know the staff.
When you go to a spot where the staff specially the bouncers don't know you, always roll with a least one friend.
There is almost no upside in going out at night alone to a place where you're not known. Low confidence, low social status, girls sense your low social status and dudes see you as an easy target.
If you're known at a spot, you can chat up the bouncers / bartenders and act like you even work there.

The above will avoid 90% of your confrontations.

If you do end up in a fight, don't hit your opponent in the face/head. Learn how to give good body shots and body locks. Beat up his mid section or put him in a lock. You're less likely to cause serious injury which you don't want unless he has a weapon of some sort and threatening your life in which case, kill him first because being dead is worse than being locked up.

In most minor fights try not to get the cops involved if possible. My experience with police has never been pleasant even when I was reporting a crime.

Thing is, I've gone out alone to clubs in some of the worst 3rd world shitholes and never had a problem. Wtf is happening in the US if some guys right in this topic are seriously suggesting to avoid night game?

[A War You Cannot Win]

Men go out expecting to socialize with cute, fit women.

Men proceed to night spot, find ugly, mannish Miss Piggys wearing lipstick. Proceed to either get black out drunk or start a fight as an outlet for their desperation and misplaced testosterone fueled aggression.