[Parlay44]

(08-27-2012 02:17 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

What needs to be modelled is the slavic men game.They are amazing in keeping so hot women complacent with low requirements.Slavic guys are deadly efficient.(they talk to women like that ''Dziewczyno(girl in polish) come here!Slecna(girl in Czech) polish my boots!Debotska(girl in Russian) lick my dick!Unimaginable for the rest of guys in Europe to give imperatives like that.

True. You have to talk down to them like they're your daughter. That only works after you've got a mental hold on her though.

[Cookie]

Sarcasm (in a more obvious form than I normally use), humorous stories, and one liners make up most of my gaming dialogue.

It just depends on what level of sarcasm you use. I used to have a lot of trouble, because I'd deliver sarcastic remarks in a straight up deadpan manner and girls would always think I was serious. Now I use more exaggerated vocal pitches and facial expressions for my jokes, and girls think it's hilarious.

(08-27-2012 05:14 AM)Ramon Zarate Wrote:  

(08-27-2012 12:39 AM)ImWaitingForTheMan Wrote:  

I think we are all forgetting that if we modeled our game on this we wouldn't be able to use the American players best weapon. Which is good old fashioned sarcastic dry humor. We could easily replicate this without all the rest if people were more targeted assholes and by that I mean not buckling like a bitch to bitches.

Does sarcasm work for you guys? Girls really aren't into it when I'm laying down sarcastic humour - and I was raised on sarcasm basically.

[scotian]

Samseau, there may not be many Natives left in the States but we have LOTS up in Canada, especially in the west and north.

I live in a city with quite a few Natives and they are anything but beta with their women, actually the life of a native woman in Canada is quite rough, especially on remote reserves.

An alarming number of rapes occur in the north among our Inuit (Eskimo) population, and apparently its been a part of their culture before the Europeans came along.

It really is a huge problem in Canada:

http://www.csc-scc.gc.ca/text/pblct/foru...143n_e.pdf

[Excelsior]

(08-27-2012 07:46 PM)scotian Wrote:  

Samseau, there may not be many Natives left in the States but we have LOTS up in Canada, especially in the west and north.

I live in a city with quite a few Natives and they are anything but beta with their women, actually the life of a native woman in Canada is quite rough, especially on remote reserves.

An alarming number of rapes occur in the north among our Inuit (Eskimo) population, and apparently its been a part of their culture before the Europeans came along.

It really is a huge problem in Canada:

http://www.csc-scc.gc.ca/text/pblct/foru...143n_e.pdf

American Indians have similar problems.

[Excelsior]

(08-27-2012 05:46 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Indians have basically gone extinct.

Where? The USA?

As Scotian mentioned,there are still tons of them in Canada and many more in Central and South America. Half of Mexican genetic material comes from indigenous American sources, and the vast majority of the Mexicans you run into in the states carry significant Native American ancestry. There are still entire nations that are predominantly indigenous (ex Bolivia), nevermind the examples that are predominantly Mestizo (ex: Peru).

The Native American hasn't gone anywhere, at least not in the grand scheme of things. Their genetic legacy is all over the place, even if it isn't as obvious in the states anymore. That persistence is impressive, given the all out biological and physical assault that was waged upon them for centuries.

Quote:

Their way of life was superior to ours, yet the beta white men have replaced them.
How does one explain the contradiction? Did the weak replace the strong or is the white man's way of worshiping women the right way to produce a strong civilization?

No, the white man's way of building and maintaining advanced weaponry was the way to produce a strong civilization, alongside the emphasis on strict military discipline, rigorous/objective trial and error and the use of free men as warriors. These are the things that allowed the Western European (particularly the Anglo-Saxon) white man to take over the world by the close of the nineteenth century.

Their betatude did not preclude their expressing any of these factors. Discipline, biology and intellectual curiosity (and objectivity) are what largely made the European rise a reality, and none of these things are exclusive to alphadom. Western men were betas, but they were greater betas: disciplined, infused with a strong sense of duty/honor (this in turn bred courage/bravery), free, and fairly bright. That's enough.

Of course, that betatude could (actually, probably will) bring down the whole thing they fought to build when all is said and done, but it certainly didn't stop them from getting it up there.

[Greek kamaki]

(08-27-2012 06:41 PM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

(08-27-2012 02:17 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

What needs to be modelled is the slavic men game.They are amazing in keeping so hot women complacent with low requirements.Slavic guys are deadly efficient.(they talk to women like that ''Dziewczyno(girl in polish) come here!Slecna(girl in Czech) polish my boots!Debotska(girl in Russian) lick my dick!Unimaginable for the rest of guys in Europe to give imperatives like that.

True. You have to talk down to them like they're your daughter. That only works after you've got a mental hold on her though.

More like your pet.Slavic guys are unparalleled.Western and mediteranean women should take obligatory vaccations in Russia for one year at least for some training and reprogramming.They would come back ready to serve the western cock.

[Greek kamaki]

(08-28-2012 01:31 AM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

(08-27-2012 05:46 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Indians have basically gone extinct.

Where? The USA?

As Scotian mentioned,there are still tons of them in Canada and many more in Central and South America. Half of Mexican genetic material comes from indigenous American sources, and the vast majority of the Mexicans you run into in the states carry significant Native American ancestry. There are still entire nations that are predominantly indigenous (ex Bolivia), nevermind the examples that are predominantly Mestizo (ex: Peru).

The Native American hasn't gone anywhere, at least not in the grand scheme of things. Their genetic legacy is all over the place, even if it isn't as obvious in the states anymore. That persistence is impressive, given the all out biological and physical assault that was waged upon them for centuries.

Quote:

Their way of life was superior to ours, yet the beta white men have replaced them.
How does one explain the contradiction? Did the weak replace the strong or is the white man's way of worshiping women the right way to produce a strong civilization?

No, the white man's way of building and maintaining advanced weaponry was the way to produce a strong civilization, alongside the emphasis on strict military discipline, rigorous/objective trial and error and the use of free men as warriors. These are the things that allowed the Western European (particularly the Anglo-Saxon) white man to take over the world by the close of the nineteenth century.

Their betatude did not preclude their expressing any of these factors. Discipline, biology and intellectual curiosity (and objectivity) are what largely made the European rise a reality, and none of these things are exclusive to alphadom. Western men were betas, but they were greater betas: disciplined, infused with a strong sense of duty/honor (this in turn bred courage/bravery), free, and fairly bright. That's enough.

Of course, that betatude could (actually, probably will) bring down the whole thing they fought to build when all is said and done, but it certainly didn't stop them from getting it up there.

It is more that western women have always been alpha due to muscular build etc.An English woman would not hesitate to beat a Latin or Italian man if she thought he offended her and actually many of them do this when opportunity arises.Try this to a Serb or a Russian guy and ..good luck.This is the reason why western women call for political action in slavic countries themselves alone cannot handle the situation.
I really hope mass immigration of Slavs to the West can largely provide relief and reverse the situation.

[dog24]

Where are you all getting this info from?
Seems like random facts picked up from movies from my point of view.
Im from Southamerica, and i guess most of you forget that our economy is very different than the US economy.
The only cases ive seen the woman quietly accepting that her husband is sleeping around is when he makes a lot more money compared to her, and is able to provide a better lifestyle than she is acostumed to.
Up until a few years ago, before cellphones came along, my father and all of his friends "game" was making more money than your wife.
As soon as she starts making more money the power balance switches and she starts nagging and bitching all day everyday. I know cause that happened to my parents.
I dont know how beta american men can be but in my country, it is normal to honk at girls from cars just cause theyre average not even cute. Also yelling at women who you cross paths with... Mi amor, te amo (My love, i love you) yelled at strange women who are just walking by, and i have seen that happen since i was a kid. Shit sickens me everyday

There is also a lot of ostracizing based on social status, and by that i mean if you didnt go to a certain type of school, and didnt have at least X amount of money growing up, forget it, no game or looks can get you higher class girls(which are often the prettiest). You are labeled as a poor low value guy, and that seems to stick to about mid 20´s where girls looks start to fade and they might as well settle for some guy who at least has a degree

[soup]

(08-28-2012 03:26 AM)dog24 Wrote:  

Where are you all getting this info from?
Seems like random facts picked up from movies from my point of view.
Im from Southamerica, and i guess most of you forget that our economy is very different than the US economy.
The only cases ive seen the woman quietly accepting that her husband is sleeping around is when he makes a lot more money compared to her, and is able to provide a better lifestyle than she is acostumed to.
Up until a few years ago, before cellphones came along, my father and all of his friends "game" was making more money than your wife.
As soon as she starts making more money the power balance switches and she starts nagging and bitching all day everyday. I know cause that happened to my parents.
I dont know how beta american men can be but in my country, it is normal to honk at girls from cars just cause theyre average not even cute. Also yelling at women who you cross paths with... Mi amor, te amo (My love, i love you) yelled at strange women who are just walking by, and i have seen that happen since i was a kid. Shit sickens me everyday

There is also a lot of ostracizing based on social status, and by that i mean if you didnt go to a certain type of school, and didnt have at least X amount of money growing up, forget it, no game or looks can get you higher class girls(which are often the prettiest). You are labeled as a poor low value guy, and that seems to stick to about mid 20´s where girls looks start to fade and they might as well settle for some guy who at least has a degree

[Hawk]

(08-27-2012 07:35 PM)Cookie Wrote:  

Sarcasm (in a more obvious form than I normally use), humorous stories, and one liners make up most of my gaming dialogue.

It just depends on what level of sarcasm you use. I used to have a lot of trouble, because I'd deliver sarcastic remarks in a straight up deadpan manner and girls would always think I was serious. Now I use more exaggerated vocal pitches and facial expressions for my jokes, and girls think it's hilarious.

You have to do this more in some countries. Northern European girls understand sarcasm very quickly, while Mediterranean and North American women need some clues to find out if it's a joke.

(08-28-2012 02:56 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

(08-28-2012 01:31 AM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

(08-27-2012 05:46 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Indians have basically gone extinct.

Where? The USA?

As Scotian mentioned,there are still tons of them in Canada and many more in Central and South America. Half of Mexican genetic material comes from indigenous American sources, and the vast majority of the Mexicans you run into in the states carry significant Native American ancestry. There are still entire nations that are predominantly indigenous (ex Bolivia), nevermind the examples that are predominantly Mestizo (ex: Peru).

The Native American hasn't gone anywhere, at least not in the grand scheme of things. Their genetic legacy is all over the place, even if it isn't as obvious in the states anymore. That persistence is impressive, given the all out biological and physical assault that was waged upon them for centuries.

Quote:

Their way of life was superior to ours, yet the beta white men have replaced them.
How does one explain the contradiction? Did the weak replace the strong or is the white man's way of worshiping women the right way to produce a strong civilization?

No, the white man's way of building and maintaining advanced weaponry was the way to produce a strong civilization, alongside the emphasis on strict military discipline, rigorous/objective trial and error and the use of free men as warriors. These are the things that allowed the Western European (particularly the Anglo-Saxon) white man to take over the world by the close of the nineteenth century.

Their betatude did not preclude their expressing any of these factors. Discipline, biology and intellectual curiosity (and objectivity) are what largely made the European rise a reality, and none of these things are exclusive to alphadom. Western men were betas, but they were greater betas: disciplined, infused with a strong sense of duty/honor (this in turn bred courage/bravery), free, and fairly bright. That's enough.

Of course, that betatude could (actually, probably will) bring down the whole thing they fought to build when all is said and done, but it certainly didn't stop them from getting it up there.

It is more that western women have always been alpha due to muscular build etc.An English woman would not hesitate to beat a Latin or Italian man if she thought he offended her and actually many of them do this when opportunity arises.Try this to a Serb or a Russian guy and ..good luck.This is the reason why western women call for political action in slavic countries themselves alone cannot handle the situation.
I really hope mass immigration of Slavs to the West can largely provide relief and reverse the situation.

So, you guys are telling than some races are superior to others? That was tried some decades ago by some European country, with poor results (by the way, by their standards all of us would be inferior, Americans and Mediterraneans).

The reason why Europeans took over the world were mainly geographical: the Industrial Revolution needed carbon and iron mines next to navigable rivers or canals, a.k.a. the Blue Banana or London-Milan corridor.
Also, the "alphaness" or "betaness" of a population depends on its density of population; the more density, the more polite people is; it explains the attitude of Asians, or the differences between Eastern and Western Europeans; basically, if there are many people, you can't do everything you want because you can disturb your neighbour.

[Basil Ransom]

While Anglo countries may be the weakest when it comes to how their men treat women, it doesn't follow that the white men within it are the weakest as well. Are black and Hispanic men more beta, because their women are fat single mothers with major attitude, and they can't do shit about it? Are Asian men because they're less aggressive and less desired by women? Or white men, because their women are careerist feminists?

I see some people wanting to pile on white men, and ignore the flaws of other men. This 'men of color' triumphalism is misguided and simply false.

As for Latino men, I haven't had the breadth of travel and relationships to get a good sense of them. But a lot of it sounds like hype, that some of these guys are just the equivalent of Italians shouting 'Ciao Bella!' at every woman passing on the street, and end up getting controlled by women in their relationships.

[MrXY]

(08-28-2012 09:03 AM)basilransom Wrote:  

While Anglo countries may be the weakest when it comes to how their men treat women, it doesn't follow that the white men within it are the weakest as well. Are black and Hispanic men more beta, because their women are fat single mothers with major attitude, and they can't do shit about it? Are Asian men because they're less aggressive and less desired by women? Or white men, because their women are careerist feminists?

I see some people wanting to pile on white men, and ignore the flaws of other men. This 'men of color' triumphalism is misguided and simply false.

As for Latino men, I haven't had the breadth of travel and relationships to get a good sense of them. But a lot of it sounds like hype, that some of these guys are just the equivalent of Italians shouting 'Ciao Bella!' at every woman passing on the street, and end up getting controlled by women in their relationships.

I'm about sick of the white man bashing on this forum

[polymath]

Race thread? Or culture thread?

(08-28-2012 05:10 AM)soup Wrote:  

(08-28-2012 03:26 AM)dog24 Wrote:  

Where are you all getting this info from?
Seems like random facts picked up from movies from my point of view.
Im from Southamerica, and i guess most of you forget that our economy is very different than the US economy.
The only cases ive seen the woman quietly accepting that her husband is sleeping around is when he makes a lot more money compared to her, and is able to provide a better lifestyle than she is acostumed to.
Up until a few years ago, before cellphones came along, my father and all of his friends "game" was making more money than your wife.
As soon as she starts making more money the power balance switches and she starts nagging and bitching all day everyday. I know cause that happened to my parents.
I dont know how beta american men can be but in my country, it is normal to honk at girls from cars just cause theyre average not even cute. Also yelling at women who you cross paths with... Mi amor, te amo (My love, i love you) yelled at strange women who are just walking by, and i have seen that happen since i was a kid. Shit sickens me everyday

There is also a lot of ostracizing based on social status, and by that i mean if you didnt go to a certain type of school, and didnt have at least X amount of money growing up, forget it, no game or looks can get you higher class girls(which are often the prettiest). You are labeled as a poor low value guy, and that seems to stick to about mid 20´s where girls looks start to fade and they might as well settle for some guy who at least has a degree

Actually, dog24 is right. I've lived in Paraguay for three and a half months and I've already noticed it. Guys, especially masons, construction workers, mechanics, metalworkers, and other laborers scare women off with their lusty compliments. That shit doesn't tend to work here unless you're doing it smoothly, ie as a reward for compliance or as a way to escalate.

The difference in social classes is huge here, and people respect it.

Women here respond to what they can't otherwise have, just like anywhere else. Tall men with blue eyes, money, status, etc, are rarer here than in the States, so they get attention. Guys with style are pretty rare too, as are big strong guys. And hell, many of the poorer people here lack half their teeth.

The difference, I think, is this: women here will look down and keep walking if they are not interested in a street approach. Unlike chicks in the USA, they don't often get bitchy or rude. If a woman here in Paraguay complains that a mason is being too forward with his comments, he will laugh and reply along the lines of, "why? I am just complimenting you!" until she gets frustrated and peaces out.

[Basil Ransom]

(08-28-2012 09:30 AM)polymath Wrote:  

(08-28-2012 03:26 AM)dog24 Wrote:  

Where are you all getting this info from?
Seems like random facts picked up from movies from my point of view.
Im from Southamerica, and i guess most of you forget that our economy is very different than the US economy.
The only cases ive seen the woman quietly accepting that her husband is sleeping around is when he makes a lot more money compared to her, and is able to provide a better lifestyle than she is acostumed to.
Up until a few years ago, before cellphones came along, my father and all of his friends "game" was making more money than your wife.
As soon as she starts making more money the power balance switches and she starts nagging and bitching all day everyday. I know cause that happened to my parents.
I dont know how beta american men can be but in my country, it is normal to honk at girls from cars just cause theyre average not even cute. Also yelling at women who you cross paths with... Mi amor, te amo (My love, i love you) yelled at strange women who are just walking by, and i have seen that happen since i was a kid. Shit sickens me everyday

There is also a lot of ostracizing based on social status, and by that i mean if you didnt go to a certain type of school, and didnt have at least X amount of money growing up, forget it, no game or looks can get you higher class girls(which are often the prettiest). You are labeled as a poor low value guy, and that seems to stick to about mid 20´s where girls looks start to fade and they might as well settle for some guy who at least has a degree

Actually, dog24 is right. I've lived in Paraguay for three and a half months and I've already noticed it. Guys, especially masons, construction workers, mechanics, metalworkers, and other laborers scare women off with their lusty compliments. That shit doesn't tend to work here unless you're doing it smoothly, ie as a reward for compliance or as a way to escalate.

I don't see these guys as kindred spirits, as 'brothers in the cause.' They're raising women's bitch shields *without* getting laid. They're annoying women without any payoff to themselves or others. At least if they were fucking these girls they holler at, their behavior would be defensible. But they aren't, and they're only making things worse, so I see no reason to celebrate them. I said the same thing of the Muslim men profiled in a Belgian documentary doing the same thing.

[polymath]

Exactly. There are gameless scrubs in every culture, and ballers in every culture too. You gotta find what works for you, in your environment.

[UrbanNerd]

Didn't think this thread would take a turn like this. I mentioned Latino and Caribbean men from MY observations. It was not a "bash".

[Hanzal]

(08-28-2012 09:23 AM)MrXY Wrote:  

(08-28-2012 09:03 AM)basilransom Wrote:  

...
I see some people wanting to pile on white men, and ignore the flaws of other men. This 'men of color' triumphalism is misguided and simply false...

I'm about sick of the white man bashing on this forum

Are you serious?
This forum consistently "piles on" men of color and ignores the flaws of white men.
There is an entire thread (9 pages long) bashing Indian men.
Any time there is a chance to call Asians effeminate betas, everybody jumps on it. Etc., etc.
There's way more white-nationalist sentiment on this forum than anything else.
One thread that passingly mentions the flaws of white men and you get upset.

[Samseau]

(08-28-2012 01:31 AM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

(08-27-2012 05:46 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Indians have basically gone extinct.

Where? The USA?

In the USA they have gone physically extinct, but worldwide Indians have gone culturally extinct.


You talked about present day Alaskan Indians, or Canadian Eskimo's, or Central American Mestizos. Guess what? Do you think these guys represent the same kind of culture that existed even two-hundred years ago?

Western culture has completely dominated these societies to the point where very little of the old Indian way of life remains. That's why I said they've gone extinct.

[Samseau]

(08-28-2012 09:59 AM)Hanzal Wrote:  

(08-28-2012 09:23 AM)MrXY Wrote:  

(08-28-2012 09:03 AM)basilransom Wrote:  

...
I see some people wanting to pile on white men, and ignore the flaws of other men. This 'men of color' triumphalism is misguided and simply false...

I'm about sick of the white man bashing on this forum

Are you serious?
This forum consistently "piles on" men of color and ignores the flaws of white men.
There is an entire thread (9 pages long) bashing Indian men.
Any time there is a chance to call Asians effeminate betas, everybody jumps on it. Etc., etc.
There's way more white-nationalist sentiment on this forum than anything else.
One thread that passingly mentions the flaws of white men and you get upset.

Hey let's calm down on the race discussion guys. No one is making an argument for the superiority of one race over another. Let's talk strictly in terms of "the here and now", i.e. what has happened and why did it happen?

Why is western culture dominating Latino culture? How did it get that way?

Why did western culture replace Indian culture? How did it get that way?


I think we can all agree that there are great parts to every culture, but here at the RooshV forum we aspire to be "culture scientists", in that we dissect individual cultures for both our edification and personal guide for good living.

In other words, we take the good for each culture and toss the bad from each culture.

And there's no denying that the western way of handling women sucks balls. It's not the "white way" of handling women, either, as the Russians do not pedestalize like Westerners do.

[soup]

Call me a Marxist, but I think feminism boils down to creating a new group of people to sell your product to.

In the past, the man would make the money decisions. Now, there are professional spinsters and gays who don't have kids, but have a disposable income. Not trying to put the blame on just them- there are also a lot hetero guys, like me (though I don't have a ton of money), who aren't having kids anytime soon- all the man-child/lost generation types that move back to their parents house etc.

Our culture pushes adolescence into later years because the youth market generates the most money.

Instead of just selling to 18-25 year olds, they can now market the same shit to people in their early thirties.

[Basil Ransom]

(08-28-2012 09:59 AM)Hanzal Wrote:  

(08-28-2012 09:23 AM)MrXY Wrote:  

(08-28-2012 09:03 AM)basilransom Wrote:  

...
I see some people wanting to pile on white men, and ignore the flaws of other men. This 'men of color' triumphalism is misguided and simply false...

I'm about sick of the white man bashing on this forum

Are you serious?
This forum consistently "piles on" men of color and ignores the flaws of white men.
There is an entire thread (9 pages long) bashing Indian men.
Any time there is a chance to call Asians effeminate betas, everybody jumps on it. Etc., etc.
There's way more white-nationalist sentiment on this forum than anything else.
One thread that passingly mentions the flaws of white men and you get upset.

I'm fine with criticizing whites or any other race. Just (1) make sure it's true (2) don't single out one group for something that other groups do or worse and (3) don't try and tell people they can't criticize X and Y people, and shut down debate. If you want to hold out one group as better than another in some way, cool by me, just make sure it's true, and say why. I'm willing to believe one group has better game on average than others, but some of the specific claims behind that are pretty dubious. In any case, there will be tons of players and losers in any group.

[Tigre]

(08-28-2012 03:26 AM)dog24 Wrote:  

Where are you all getting this info from?
Seems like random facts picked up from movies from my point of view.
Im from Southamerica, and i guess most of you forget that our economy is very different than the US economy.
The only cases ive seen the woman quietly accepting that her husband is sleeping around is when he makes a lot more money compared to her, and is able to provide a better lifestyle than she is acostumed to.
Up until a few years ago, before cellphones came along, my father and all of his friends "game" was making more money than your wife.
As soon as she starts making more money the power balance switches and she starts nagging and bitching all day everyday. I know cause that happened to my parents.
I dont know how beta american men can be but in my country, it is normal to honk at girls from cars just cause theyre average not even cute. Also yelling at women who you cross paths with... Mi amor, te amo (My love, i love you) yelled at strange women who are just walking by, and i have seen that happen since i was a kid. Shit sickens me everyday

There is also a lot of ostracizing based on social status, and by that i mean if you didnt go to a certain type of school, and didnt have at least X amount of money growing up, forget it, no game or looks can get you higher class girls(which are often the prettiest). You are labeled as a poor low value guy, and that seems to stick to about mid 20´s where girls looks start to fade and they might as well settle for some guy who at least has a degree

Soup - that wasn't a troll post. I'd say it was one of the realest posts in the whole thread. A genuine South American perspective that I can recognize is on point.

Latin American game is not uniform. A Cuban guy's idea of game is very different from Peruvian game, say.

One more thing. There's a huge difference between a kid born in the USA to a Colombian immigrant family, and a Colombian who's only lived in Colombia.

Nobody would claim Roosh's game is "Turkish game". It's American.

Nobody would classify Jersey Shore as "Italian game". It's American game with a twist.

The original post considered only Latin guys who live in Latin America. What people have seen from USA guys of Latin descent is a whole different discussion.

[Enfant_Terrible]

Getting back to American men copying Latino men's game: I don't think so because latin america has different cultures and may have different ways of treating their women.

Now living in LA, most of my latino interactions are with Mexicans.

A few months ago, I was invited to a "quinceanera" which is basically a big party for a girl's 15th birthday because that's her entering womanhood

This party lasted 3 days. 3 days of ego-building, attention-whoring, and pedestalizing the girl with gifts, food, drink, performances, songs, video and photo shoots, and dancing. It was like a king's coronation and the family (father) who threw the party wasn't even well-off in the first place.

I asked my friend if they had an equivalent party for the boys: "none"

Wait, how do you feel about it? "Eh...we don't need it "

Sure...

[Celtic]

From what I've seen of Latino guys, there's plenty of guys clicking "like" on everything a girl posts on facebook, sticking with a girl all the time, and paying excessive compliments. The women also have very career oriented attitudes and feminist beliefs. I've traveled down there quite a bit, and I've met more self proclaimed feminists in Latin American than in the US. This brotherhood thing might have been true for a different generation, but sadly I have to say I just don't see it.

[dog24]

More facts in my country 53% of the population is poor as in less than 10$ a day. Only 7% get to go to college, you get a degree DHV right there.
Game works but you have to be at least middle class in order to game top tier girls.
Most of my friends would laugh at me if i showed them this or other manosphere blogs to them it is all about money. And no one is really into self-improvement, its kind of hard when your stressing about whether your going to eat or not the next day. As polymath said if you see a jacked guy you know he has some money cause most people here eat less than 2k calories a day.
I wouldnt know about brotherhood, i guess there are hierarchies as in every other place, but i do see a lot of hate and envy. You cant go to certain places "custom suited" or even dressed stylish, you will get beat up to say the least. I would say its every man for it self.
American culture is catching up pretty quickly, as someone said facebook is the land of white knights. Argentina seems to be the most influential country for us, we copy most of their TV shows, which lately are all about homosexual men parading around and bitches bashing masculine men.
Most guys talk a lot, kind of like when american women describe what they want in a man, if you ask anyone they will say how they keep their women in check how they can get any girl.... In reality most settle for a fat 5/10 and practically have to beg her to stay with them.

Also i dont know if it is because my game is not strong enough yet, but i think in my culture ONS are pretty rare to say the least, it is all about social circle game. And with that obviously comes competition amongs friends.

I guess it would be most benefitial to us to model our game to american male game, think about it. Americans who have game dont take shit from their woman and that keeps the woman around even when she has nothing to gain from him, in here women dont whore around as much cause the husband is the provider and she doesnt make enough money on her own, she cant go and cheat on him cause then she will end up on the streets. When you take away the monetary power latin men have over their women it will be equal if not worse than what is happening with the american beta male, cause they think thats all it takes so no game is needed.
Most guys here havent caught up with the shit that feminism has brought and they all think that you have to win over women with affection cause that worked well for our parents and grandparents.