[Lumiere]

(07-19-2012 09:05 AM)Icarus Wrote:  

Trying to hook up with a female CS host is just tremendously stupid. Hooking up should be left to CS meetings, and though the odds are good, the goods are generally odd.

No its not. I have hooked up with a number of my female CS hosts.

As for guests, there is a CS chick in my bed right now as I type this.

[Tuthmosis]

It's interesting when something pulls back the delusional curtain ever-so-slightly for these girls and they see the reality behind the silly, unrealistic fantasies they insist on living in. They don't know how to act. It's like someone told them Santa Claus doesn't exist. Men do nice things for girls to impress them and then try to bed them. Proceed at your own risk. (Mainly the risk of feeling awkward--oh no!--that a guy made a pass at you and you had to be inconvenienced by having to reject him and made to feel uncomfortable in the process.)

I'll tell you a story that just illustrated this principle for me.

I met a girl in the boarding line for a flight recently: 18 years old, with a tight, petite, hot body. I'd place her around an 8. We chit-chatted for a little while, but she was boarded onto the plane before I was. I took note that she got on the plane way before me and sat in one of the cushier first-class seats I've seen. When I boarded several minutes later, I nodded at her across the aisles, and she waived super-enthusiastically. A lot of red-pill like ideas ran through my head. But, mainly, something told me "she didn't pay for that ticket."

At the luggage carousel at our destination, I decided to re-approach her--given, of course, the description above. I asked her what she was doing in the city, and she proceeded to tell me that she "knows a pilot" who gets her free tickets. "I just have to call him a day or so before." Keep in mind: this was an international destination. Unbeknownst to her--because I'd been tracking her for an opportunity to open her--I'd seen her meet this pilot at the city of origin, give him the most concave hug I've ever seen, and thank him. The pilot was an older cat, but not ancient.

Any reasonable girl over, say, the age of 16 should know deep down that this old guy wants nothing more than to stuff her. Yet, women conveniently shut their eyes--and keep them closed by force--to the obvious subtext of these men's largesse. They see nothing wrong with taking and taking and taking--and using sexual manipulation and subterfuge in the process--but immediately cry foul when a man suggests even the smallest token in return. When men, like us, baldly state our intentions, the hamster powers up and runs a marathon.

Enter these CS chicks. They want a free place to stay, a docent to explain to them every detail of the cities they're in, clean linens, meals even, all for a similarly, conveninently platonic and safe price of nothing.

What the outrage is about is a straight-up fear that the buffet is closing. "These guys are evil for trying to ruin a good thing for us."

[el mechanico]

" Keep in mind: this was an international destination"

And our data sheet is pending?

[WestCoast]

Tuthmosis

I like this commentary and I also believe a lot of these women know what they are doing, when you acknowledge that you also know what they are doing you're making them feel "uncomfortable" and "weird".

This is why if you ever meet a gold digger/sugar baby you say something akin the lines of "jeez life must be really hard for you I would be doing the exact same thing in your shoes". This lets them feel very comfortable now you indirectly acknowledge their gold-diggerism then attempt to slay. Least this has worked for me a couple times.

Secondly, the worst part about these types of girls is the following: Refusal to acknowledge they are aging. They will go to the end of the earth to prove they are still hot by getting dudes to buy them shit left and right and use that as "proof" that they are still hot. It's hilarious. This also turns into a nightmare for them later on because they spend all the money they get on "designer bags" pedicures, facials, you name it. So they are dead broke still @ 30 unless they successfully landed a dumb rich guy to marry them.

So with that said, it is exactly why I believe feminism will live in the USA. It's a paradox. The bitches who preach it actualy give MORE power to the hot ones! We're told to coddle them at all costs, our instincts are to go for hot ones so the hot ones get money... Over and over again we go. The only out the feminist ones have is a career... In teaching the same shit they were taught in shit fuck sociology class.

If they are real ugz, then I guess they can try to be that corporate bitch. Who everyone knows doesn't have any sex but would rather cut herself an have people in her own office think he has an "abusive boyfriend" poor her! Not u have not had sex in 12 years!

These CSers are the same, all of them would happily fuck a good looking guy. Issue is they want it to happen "naturally" "like me for me!" bottom line:

"I know I look like shit so if some guy comes and fucks me I know he likes me for me! This is possible right?!" oh and also it needs to "just happen"... Please.

[speakeasy]

That was very well put Tuth. I think this ties many things together that have been discussed. Sometimes I'll look at the open couch requests and get annoyed. Some girl will say something like, "I'm going to be in town next week for 4 days, looking for someone that can host me and show me around." Her request will be devoid of any personality or offers of what she can do. They just want free housing and a cheufuer. And if the girl is so much as a 6, the CS betas will be falling over themselves to sign up. I got a request like that from a French girl a few months back. She wanted to crash for a week. I told her 3 days is my max. She then said later she found some guy to host her for a whole week. You think any CS chic will let A dude crash at her house for a week?

[Icarus]

(07-19-2012 12:19 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

She then said later she found some guy to host her for a whole week. You think any CS chic will let A dude crash at her house for a week?

A week? I know a girl who was hosted by the same dude for almost 2 months!! She is a tall, pretty blonde, a solid 8. And she was traveling alone! In other word, she is the too-good-to-be-true kind of guest.

[speakeasy]

(07-19-2012 12:25 PM)Icarus Wrote:  

(07-19-2012 12:19 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

She then said later she found some guy to host her for a whole week. You think any CS chic will let A dude crash at her house for a week?

A week? I know a girl who was hosted by the same dude for almost 2 months!! She is a tall, pretty blonde, a solid 8. And she was traveling alone! In other word, she is the too-good-to-be-true kind of guest.

In that case she better be giving up some tail and having dinner ready every night. Nobody is gonna freeload off me like that.

[Lumiere]

PS I should add that I am aware that CS is not a dating site and that I did not break any CS rules.

Neither the female hosts nor any other CS girl that I have had sex with, including the one that is currently dozing off a mid-afternoon sex session in my bed, has ever been taken on a date by me.

[Icarus]

The virus has spread to the Lisbon group:

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They are watching us and sure enough right after I [have] posted this, they will also [be] "attacking" me in their forum. Well, we at CS Brasilia (a group with LOTS of lawyers) are already taking action (and laugh about their faces: there are photos of the guys released... "handsome" guys who think they can defame us and publicize our photos of CS group).

Brasilia is to Brazil what DC is to the U.S., except that Brasilia is much, much nicer.

[deathgrippin]

I wasn't sure if I should post this in the other CS thread about the Danish girl but yeah, this forum is getting a lot of pub from different groups.

http://www.couchsurfing.org/group_read.h...t=12519732

[Screwston]

Whose pictures are they posting?

[JohnKreese]

(07-19-2012 12:19 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

That was very well put Tuth. I think this ties many things together that have been discussed. Sometimes I'll look at the open couch requests and get annoyed. Some girl will say something like, "I'm going to be in town next week for 4 days, looking for someone that can host me and show me around." Her request will be devoid of any personality or offers of what she can do. They just want free housing and a cheufuer. And if the girl is so much as a 6, the CS betas will be falling over themselves to sign up. I got a request like that from a French girl a few months back. She wanted to crash for a week. I told her 3 days is my max. She then said later she found some guy to host her for a whole week. You think any CS chic will let A dude crash at her house for a week?

Is it normal to offer stuff to those whom you will be staying with? I haven't been on CS for too long, but I had a girl stay at my place, didn't offer anything, but bought all of my drinks when we went out. I'm going to stay with a few girls in a couple of weeks, didn't offer anything, but will probably bring them a bottle of wine or something.

[speakeasy]

(07-19-2012 02:26 PM)JohnKreese Wrote:  

(07-19-2012 12:19 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

That was very well put Tuth. I think this ties many things together that have been discussed. Sometimes I'll look at the open couch requests and get annoyed. Some girl will say something like, "I'm going to be in town next week for 4 days, looking for someone that can host me and show me around." Her request will be devoid of any personality or offers of what she can do. They just want free housing and a cheufuer. And if the girl is so much as a 6, the CS betas will be falling over themselves to sign up. I got a request like that from a French girl a few months back. She wanted to crash for a week. I told her 3 days is my max. She then said later she found some guy to host her for a whole week. You think any CS chic will let A dude crash at her house for a week?

Is it normal to offer stuff to those whom you will be staying with? I haven't been on CS for too long, but I had a girl stay at my place, didn't offer anything, but bought all of my drinks when we went out. I'm going to stay with a few girls in a couple of weeks, didn't offer anything, but will probably bring them a bottle of wine or something. Seems like something that isn't always thrown out there, but some kind of payback (which, I guess could include teabagging on demand) is implied.

I've gotten some where the girl will say she's a good cook and would like the chance to introduce me to her country's cuisine. It doesn't have to be though. Even offering a bottle of wine or paying for dinner or paying my cover at club let's me know she's not freeloading.

[speakeasy]

(07-19-2012 02:04 PM)Icarus Wrote:  

The virus has spread to the Lisbon group:

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They are watching us and sure enough right after I [have] posted this, they will also [be] "attacking" me in their forum. Well, we at CS Brasilia (a group with LOTS of lawyers) are already taking action (and laugh about their faces: there are photos of the guys released... "handsome" guys who think they can defame us and publicize our photos of CS group).

Brasilia is to Brazil what DC is to the U.S., except that Brasilia is much, much nicer.

Lol, what exactly are lawyers going to do about any of this? Who here has done or advocated something illegal??

Btw, not to say "I told you guys so" but this is exactly why some of us had been urging Roosh for a private members only section. Some stuff we really don't want getting out there.

[Enfant_Terrible]

No matter what RVF alerts they post on whatever countries, the smooth player who conceals his intentions (Law 3) will always prevail.

[Roosh]

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Btw, not to say "I told you guys so" but this is exactly why some of us had been urging Roosh for a private members only section. Some stuff we really don't want getting out there.

You're right. I'm going to close my blog, the forum, and withdraw all my books. We can't have people knowing about the concept of game or that guys try to have sex with women.

[Enfant_Terrible]

(07-19-2012 09:31 AM)Neil Skywalker Wrote:  

I think it would be damn awkward hitting on a girl and getting rejected by her and still having to stay at her house for the night. I would never risk the possible embarresment and awkwardness.

I was CSing with this girl in the Netherlands a few years ago when this happened to me. One night, we were watching TV when I casually brushed my fingers on her thighs. She said, "not gonna happen" and had a talk and "apologized" to each other for misinterpreting each other's "signals." Because of that awkward event and didn't want to have a negative review, I washed her dishes the next morning and tried to make up for it by doing some activities with her that day. Yes some pretty beta stuff, I know.

But you see, it softened her the next night when we did something freaky for 4+ hours

[Tuthmosis]

(07-19-2012 11:57 AM)el mechanico Wrote:  

" Keep in mind: this was an international destination"

And our data sheet is pending?

They'll be something worthwhile down the line.

[Icarus]

(07-19-2012 02:26 PM)JohnKreese Wrote:  

Is it normal to offer stuff to those whom you will be staying with? I haven't been on CS for too long, but I had a girl stay at my place, didn't offer anything, but bought all of my drinks when we went out. I'm going to stay with a few girls in a couple of weeks, didn't offer anything, but will probably bring them a bottle of wine or something.

When I think of the top 10% of the people I hosted, the ones I truly enjoyed spending some time with, the one thing they all have in common is that they all brought presents. The reason I liked them was not because they brought presents, but because they were considerate, and their consideration for others showed in the fact that they brought presents.

What kind of presents have I received from guests? Usually bottles of wine. Cases of beer, too. Homemade cookies. Chocolates. We would go buy food to cook dinner, and they would pay my share. Or, we would go to a restaurant and they would pay my share as well.

The worst guests I had not only did not buy any presents, but they also left "presents" behind, like forgetting bottles of milk in the fridge. Then, 3 months later I ask my housemates who the milk belongs to, and it belongs to no one and we have to get rid of all that rotten milk. Disgusting.

[WanderingSoul]

Increase in sales for Roosh. Dude's surfing in Brazil are going to find this forum and be like "Oh shit, a book on how to bang Brazilian chicks?"

[Spike]

(07-19-2012 03:23 PM)Enfant_Terrible Wrote:  

(07-19-2012 09:31 AM)Neil Skywalker Wrote:  

I think it would be damn awkward hitting on a girl and getting rejected by her and still having to stay at her house for the night. I would never risk the possible embarresment and awkwardness.

I was CSing with this girl in the Netherlands a few years ago when this happened to me. One night, we were watching TV when I casually brushed my fingers on her thighs. She said, "not gonna happen" and had a talk and "apologized" to each other for misinterpreting each other's "signals." Because of that awkward event and didn't want to have a negative review, I washed her dishes the next morning and tried to make up for it by doing some activities with her that day. Yes some pretty beta stuff, I know.

But you see, it softened her the next night when we did something freaky for 4+ hours

You might have gotten away with it once now but I just wouldn't risk the awkwardness if thing don't work out. It's so much easier to go for a cup of coffee and feel her out for a few hours.

Not bashing you, it's just not my style. I hate staying at a girls place anyway because i hate taking a dump when some ones near. One other reason i don't couchsurf.

[esperar]

Guys, I have done a 180. I've totally changed my out look. These pure feminists and their wondeful white knights are totally correct. Guys who use that site to find sex are EVIL and should be castrated on sight. It doesn't matter that you are not raping anyone. It doesn't matter if the women who you have sex with are JUST AS MUCH TO BLAME AS YOU ARE for the sex that happens. YOU are wrong. How dare you treat women as equals by expecting them to take 50% of the responsibility for what happens between two consenting adults?

I want you all to turn yourselves in right away to your local feminist organization where you will then be given sensitivity training on how to RESPECT women.

Oh, and I've called the authorities. Expect a SWAT team to be surrounding your homes at any moment now.

[Icarus]

Latest insanity from the independent women's thread:

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these guys on the thread that we're speaking about are resorting to lies and who knows what else. We know that they lie about being attracted to certain women and that they just care about the getting laid part. We know that they go online and talk badly about the women they've been with. Their tactic involves feigning an interest on the individual when they might not even really like the person or find the person attractive.

Resort to lies to bed someone I do not find attractive? WTF???

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This is men literally hunting down women and manipulating the situation to make it end up in bed. Its men trying to convert situations where if their intentions are known from the first they would be rejected. And its men who use CS to meet women ON the platform of cultural exchange, such that their guard is lowered when all the exchange they are interested in is bodily fluids. And they seem to think nothing of this subterfuge. However much Ryan tries to justify this, I cannot find it justifiable. I think the main problem here is that (some) men do not realise that women might want things in certain ways and to trick them into a situation which FEELS like that but is not really so, is still tricking them and women do not appreciate being tricked (as I would expect most people wont). I am surprised that even someone like Ryan is failing to understand that women in general (as is exhibited in this thread) might have a serious problem with being 'gamed' and this is not helping anyone. May be the men who resort to such tactics 'have' to resort to them because their obvious sleaze ball personality turn women off when they exhibit their real selves. May be these guys should just learn to respect women a little bit more, and not try to trick them at every turn and then would actually have better luck with women in their real personalities.

If women are this helpless, then maybe those oppressive chauvinists in Saudi Arabia are right: locking them up at home is a moral imperative.

[Greek kamaki]

I think all these CS angry women should punish the penises who fail to complete their missions proving the lack of lust for the female victim.

[Enfant_Terrible]

(07-20-2012 11:11 AM)Icarus Wrote:  

Latest insanity from the independent women's thread:

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This is men literally hunting down women and manipulating the situation to make it end up in bed. Its men trying to convert situations where if their intentions are known from the first they would be rejected. And its men who use CS to meet women ON the platform of cultural exchange, such that their guard is lowered when all the exchange they are interested in is bodily fluids. And they seem to think nothing of this subterfuge. However much Ryan tries to justify this, I cannot find it justifiable. I think the main problem here is that (some) men do not realise that women might want things in certain ways and to trick them into a situation which FEELS like that but is not really so, is still tricking them and women do not appreciate being tricked (as I would expect most people wont). I am surprised that even someone like Ryan is failing to understand that women in general (as is exhibited in this thread) might have a serious problem with being 'gamed' and this is not helping anyone. May be the men who resort to such tactics 'have' to resort to them because their obvious sleaze ball personality turn women off when they exhibit their real selves. May be these guys should just learn to respect women a little bit more, and not try to trick them at every turn and then would actually have better luck with women in their real personalities.

I think the hamster in this one either died of exhaustion or developed strong limbs---or both.