[Cyclone]

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I met this girl three times, very good in bed, fucked her in the ass too. She was good fun to be with and I went to some places with her. After the second meeting she started going on about how she was a student and she needed money and a lot of bullshit. I played along and promised her I would give her money. I blocked her when I left Saigon and went to Phnom Penh.

Ahahahaha fucking savage.

Don't worry there's plenty of dumb rich foreigners that would be willing to buy these whores gifts and motorbikes. While I have a soft spot for Saigon girls and some of whom lifelong friends, you should spot a hustler when you see one.. otherwise you shouldn't be on this board..

I've indeed seen the girls that Polero is pulling out there and ... choose Saigon over PP is all I have to say. Highest quality girls other than Hong Kong maybe (tho I've been to Saigon 7-8 times by now).
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[destiny]

(01-08-2019 12:11 AM)BaatumMania Wrote:  

(01-07-2019 07:13 AM)destiny Wrote:  

Where are you guys going to meet higher quality girls? I've been disappointed in the lack of quality with the girls that I meet and go out with and would like to have access to better quality girls that I only really see the local guys with. I'm not even talking about the models and actresses but the cute 7's and 8's you see out eating on the streets with their vietnamese bf's. So far most of the 7's and up that I meet online like 90% of them are hookers and scammers asking for money and the rest that aren't, after getting the number online don't even give me the time of the day afterwards. In person I get a lot of looks from 7's and ups but online nothing.

I'm gonna start doing some daygame from now on and put online game on low priority. Perhaps playing the lost tourist card may work.

To be brutally honest daygaming in Asia is different than say Eastern Europe or Korea where 90% of women outside look bangable. In the rest of Asia it's the land of pancake butts, teacup breasts and androgynous faces unless you're talking to a bar prostitute. A bit of a hyperbole but it's what I see everyday in places like Taiwan and Hong Kong.

Pretty much the only time I see beautiful women in public is they're working at hairdresser shops or working retail in upscale shopping. The latter is probably whom you want to talk to and pretend to be a customer and cold ask for her number or give her your number. The retail women in dead shops are the easiest to game because they're likely bored all the time.

I try to avoid the high end shops eg. selling rolex or charles and keith because I feel like I'm being pressured to buy the things for wasting the girls time. Can you give me an example of a pickup attempt you did at one of these shops?

My only success with these working girls were picking up 2 promotion girls (1 ended in a date, the other only a number but no reply) but of slightly above average looks and a chick working at phuc long who actually asked me out and gave me her number without me even trying (she was a 4 though). I see a shit tonne of really hot girls working at those plastic surgery/spa places though but it feels weird to just go inside and pretend to be interested in those things plus I feel like those girls who are 8+ working there are only into rich local guys and expect to be wined and dined expensively.

There's also a sports bar near my place that I've been to twice already with a fellow forum member that has a lot of cute girls but the guys who visit that bar arrive in audi's and porches lol. I feel like I'm way out of their league if I'm competing with these men.

[flyinghorse]

Love reading peoples experience in my old stomping ground.

I lived here for a few years but only hooked up with 5 Asian women. I actually hooked up with way more western women during my time there. They were all bitter because nearly all the dudes had Asian girls and they were left with less and less options. It was zero effort to hook up with western 7s over there and they were happy for the attention.

SEA is essentially sex paradise.

[AlexWW]

(01-08-2019 01:35 PM)flyinghorse Wrote:  

Love reading peoples experience in my old stomping ground.

I lived here for a few years but only hooked up with 5 Asian women. I actually hooked up with way more western women during my time there. They were all bitter because nearly all the dudes had Asian girls and they were left with less and less options. It was zero effort to hook up with western 7s over there and they were happy for the attention.

SEA is essentially sex paradise.

I was also surprised by that, I realised that SEA was actually not just a place where you could easily get Asian pussies, but also white and blacks ones.

That make it even more a pussy paradise.

[BaatumMania]

Well when I was younger in SEA I was interested in the white women. Now that I am older, and of course obesity rates increase each year, most white gals I see now just look fat as hell next to an Asian of the same age (unless it's a Polynesian Islander). So I went from "I will never be yellow fever" sort of guy to being: "Asian women are the best".


Now there are some exceptions like some Ukrainian woman who are still skinnyish (although I saw some noticeable exceptions there) but western women as a whole look like they always weigh more than 60 kilograms.

[Polero]

I cannot understand guys coming to Asia to bang white chicks. Like, really? Most of them are ugly and fat, not only that, they're annoying AF.
Only exceptions would be EE chicks in Asia: the FOB ones have an attitude but after a while they tend to become easier. I still don't wanna have anything to do with them (after living most of my life in Europe, including three years in sexy Russia, I've had enough white pussy).
I can do black, blacks I like. I'm soon going to Africa and I'm gonna kill it over there ;-)

[Trumpian]

Yeah I matched with a decent looking Ukrainian chick out here. Thought I'd give a white girl a chance lol.

But chatting with her was almost instantly a turn off. Way to agressive/masculine compared to the Asian girls I'm used to at this point. Said she was frustrated with the lack of ambitious people out here.

Its like I know women generally speaking prefer men with ambition/vision, but here you are saying you're looking for mr. Ambitious and we haven't even had a coffee date yet. Also pretty retarded to be looking for that in a 3rd world country like Vietnam. So I told her I was a skirt-chasing bum and exited the conversation.

[Trancemission]

Isn’t ambitious a politically correct term for saying i’m seeking a man who is gonna become rich in the next decade since i can’t secure a rich one now? Lol

[Polero]

What's a Ukrainian girl doing in Vietnam? I'm always suspicious of Russians and Ukranians in Asia, especially those living long term. I think many are trying to land a rich (local) guy.

[Trumpian]

(01-10-2019 05:03 PM)Polero Wrote:  

What's a Ukrainian girl doing in Vietnam? I'm always suspicious of Russians and Ukranians in Asia, especially those living long term. I think many are trying to land a rich (local) guy.

Yeah it is suspicious. They're usually doing "modeling". This girl was running some mystery business.

She was also going off on on how the guys here were chasing Asian chicks because they were easier than girls back home. Oh haven't heard that one before.

But I tend to get this sort of mercenary, cold calculating vibe from FSU women that I find pretty off putting. At least Euro chicks can be quite pleasant to talk to. With Uke's/Russian, it feels like an Inquisition.

[Trumpian]

(01-10-2019 11:00 AM)Trancemission Wrote:  

Isn’t ambitious a politically correct term for saying i’m seeking a man who is gonna become rich in the next decade since i can’t secure a rich one now? Lol

When I run it through my hamster interpreter, it always spits out, "I'm a gold digger - stay clear".

[Polero]

The truth is that most EE chicks living in Asia are there because they didn't find a decent guy back at home. A very hot Russian chick is going to have plenty of suitors in Russia, guys who make decent money and can offer her a decent life. Most of the these Rus/Ukr chicks are not that hot in their home countries, so they're free to move elsewhere and try their luck there.

What we consider in the West a Russian 7 is merely a 5 at home, many Russian guys have plenty to choose from and don't give a fuck about mediocre looking girls.

I know this guy who dumped his wife and kid for a Ukrainian chick who he thinks is an 8: She's over 30yo, very average looks, doesn't work, lives off his money, has a horrible attitude and treats him like shit. This bitch would get nothing in Russia, that's why she moved abroad. Easy.

Then you have the "models" LOL, they tend to be hotter but they know their value and usually have the princess syndrome. Some of the chicks in this category don't even model, they are dancers in clubs, hostesses at events etc I suspect many are part time whores, some full time.

Anyway, I stay away from any EE chick in Asia, not my thing.

[SaintLaurentJake]

All the EE girls in Asia are there for modeling 90% of the time. They essentially just poach them from Siberia and lower-income parts of the FSU and bring them to Asia as Western Women would demand significantly more pay for the modeling jobs.

[BaatumMania]

I think that's only true in 2nd tier mainland China. South Korea has at least 50,000 Russians there and that's not counting the illegal ones and they're pretty much all Russian women. The ones I met were either exchange students or were super shady about how they made money (aka they were most definitely prostitutes or KTV girls).

I also knew of a Romanian woman in my neighborhood who likewise had no income but the first thing she did was get into a sponsorship agreement with a Korean guy and I imagine she has likely ditched him by now for an even wealthier man.

[ISR92]

Thanks for the report Polero.

It seems they all came directly to your hotel, right?

Which sites/apps did you use to meet these girls?

You pipelined all 7 right? How often were you messaging them prior to arriving?

Cheers

[Traveller]

(01-05-2019 10:56 PM)CleanSlate Wrote:  

Curious how a lot of these girls asked you for money and stuff after banging. Why do you think that is the case? This never happened to me in Saigon unlike Manila and BKK (however some Viets did ask me for $ *before* meeting up or banging and I said no)

More conservative girls might have lost interest because he was new to the city but especially when he told them to come to his hotel. However, he didn't mention if he asked girls 3-7 to come directly to his hotel.

When I focused on the hot girls with big boobs and cleavage in Vietnam online I was more likely to talk to pros (who ask for money before you meet them) or highly materialistic girls / gold diggers. At the same time, I know one good looking guy with a gym body who does well with such girls and pulls directly to his or their apartment (although he will lose many girls when he asks them to come over)

Maybe some of his pictures made him look rich.

[flyinghorse]

(01-10-2019 03:58 AM)Polero Wrote:  

I cannot understand guys coming to Asia to bang white chicks. Like, really? Most of them are ugly and fat, not only that, they're annoying AF.
Only exceptions would be EE chicks in Asia: the FOB ones have an attitude but after a while they tend to become easier. I still don't wanna have anything to do with them (after living most of my life in Europe, including three years in sexy Russia, I've had enough white pussy).
I can do black, blacks I like. I'm soon going to Africa and I'm gonna kill it over there ;-)

Aesthetically I find white women the most attractive.

No other justification needed.

[BaatumMania]

Yeah I would go 100% white women again if they looked like the ones in porn. But the ones I see in Asia never seem to (hard to find a white woman who is under 60 kilograms in Asia). I know some guys love Ukraine on this forum but it's hard to wade through the semi-pros and pros. in Kiev in particular.

[Polero]

@ISR92 You're welcome, Just trying to give back to the forum, I've learnt a lot from here. All 7 bangs came straight to my hotel, yes, there were also 2 other chicks that I met and they wouldn't come to my hotel so I had to meet them in cafes, I didn't bang these 2. I pipelined the 7 chicks I fucked, I mostly used Badoo and Tantan to pipeline, I changed my location to Saigon before the trip, once in Saigon I also used Tinder. I spoke to my notches to be for about 2 or 3 weeks, I spoke to them every day and I video called with most of them, some of them several times. I like talking to chicks and even where I live I spend lots of time processing new chicks to get the bang. Just to give you an idea: in the city I live in I usually get around 5 notches per month, sometimes more but sometimes less.

@Traveller: All chicks I banged came directly to my hotel. I told the girls I was moving to Saigon and before committing to renting an apartment I needed some time to see different areas of the city and different apartments, that's why at first I'd be staying in a hotel. The hotel thing is something most of the chicks asked me about, since I've done this many times (going to a city and to secure many bangs tell the chicks I'm moving there), I always have the answers ready to go. I think if one is going to have a "story", if one is going to lie to chicks, then you always need to have the same or very similar story so you can always remember and you don't make mistakes.
I wanted to get as many bangs as possible and of course as hot as possible too, there were girls that weren't interested or I guess didn't believe me, there were some others that made it clear that there was not going to be sex until we were in a relationship, others wouldn't come to my place and I sensed it'd take long for the bang so I never met them.
My online pictures are okay good pictures, I don't think any of them show or convey the message that I'm rich. Some pics at the gym, some others at the beach or traveling but nothing crazy.

@Flyinghorse That's totally fine. I just think it's better to try to go to the country of origin of one's favorite chicks. I meant, why going to Asia for white chicks, is not better to go to where they are from? But I understand the circumstances can be what they are and also that a change is nice every now and then. I sometimes like to bang black chicks instead of Asians.

I'm thinking in summer I might go to Hanoi or somewhere in the north of Vietnam, my 3 trips to Vietnam have always been to the south or central part of the country. I wanna check out Hanoi.

[Traveller]

@Polero Thanks for clarifying.
Wow, you invested a huge amount of effort into each girl and that seems like a crucial part of your success story. I am glad it worked out so well for you. They thought that you are really into them and trusted you so they were willing to come straight to your place. In my experience, many girls in HCM over 30 tend to get married to whomever they can find (often a foreigner) so it is not unusual that the hot single ones are crazy.

When you look at photos hot girls in Ho Chi Minh upload from shopping, gifts they receive from 'friends', where they travel and the level of hotels/resorts they stay at or in front / inside an expensive car, this usually involves some guy (often local but also mostly Asians and older foreigners I think) so they are spoiled. Many hot girls on Tinder seem to use it to get attention and on Instagram.

I have never chatted so much with girls but I think it is necessary for hotter girls. The hot ones (or the ones who think they are e.g. dressed up, make-up, 1.70+) didn't come home after the first date or even the second date so I stopped bothering to meet them again.

How did the girls you didn't meet make it clear that no sex will be involved before a relationship?

[Polero]

Yeah man, thank you. I don't mind putting in the time because that usually yields results. In their minds I think it works like this: "This guy has been texting every day for weeks, he's moving here and he's promised we'll be together (I told them I'd with them, I know, this is straight lying and playing with them) so if I go to his hotel and we have sex it's okay because he seems to be a good guy and in the long term it'll be good for me" LOL.

I saw the hottest chicks in expensive hotels and restaurants, shopping, even on trips abroad. Of course some other guy had paid for all that. Girls like to enjoy life and get as much as they can from men, it's a game so for me it's a game too and the reward is their pussy. Very often girls outsmart men and they play them so if sometimes they get played I think it's totally fine.

I usually "sense" after a lil while if it's going to work with a girl or not, ie: how quickly they answer my messages, their initial involvement and other indicators, If I feel it's going to take forever I ditch them because here in Asia there are thousands of available girls, no need to waste time with the ones looking for validation or whatever. I could be wrong in my assessment and I'm sure I've lost chicks by ditching them too early but again, there are so many so it doesn't really matter.

Some girls sometimes they say things like sex will only happen after 3 dates or after marriage or many other things. I think this is just a test so I often keep trying but if I feel they're for real I give up on them. It's hard to explain, I've been in the Game for many years now and it's kind of like a sixth sense. Reading their minds, understanding them, anticipating events and reactions etc are all things that sometimes just happen right? When I was 20 years old I had no clue, now experience helps a lot, I still sometimes fuck up though: this week a girl came home and I couldn't close her after drinking almost two bottles of wine haha

The way I see it it's a learning experience and I try to learn from my mistakes and failures.

[flyinghorse]

(01-11-2019 06:38 PM)Polero Wrote:  

@Flyinghorse That's totally fine. I just think it's better to try to go to the country of origin of one's favorite chicks. I meant, why going to Asia for white chicks, is not better to go to where they are from? But I understand the circumstances can be what they are and also that a change is nice every now and then. I sometimes like to bang black chicks instead of Asians.

I'm thinking in summer I might go to Hanoi or somewhere in the north of Vietnam, my 3 trips to Vietnam have always been to the south or central part of the country. I wanna check out Hanoi.

Well I teach English as a foreign language, so unless I work in Europe (which pays low) I will always be around different ethnicities.

The dating options are fine for dating Asians or white chicks in HCMC. My thing is I'm looking for long term now I'm in my 30s so I need someone fluent in English and a decent character (looks along is not enough).

[destiny]

(01-12-2019 01:02 AM)Traveller Wrote:  

When you look at photos hot girls in Ho Chi Minh upload from shopping, gifts they receive from 'friends', where they travel and the level of hotels/resorts they stay at or in front / inside an expensive car, this usually involves some guy (often local but also mostly Asians and older foreigners I think) so they are spoiled. Many hot girls on Tinder seem to use it to get attention and on Instagram.

It's been my experience when talking with hot chicks online that they are always looking for sugar daddies because cocksuckers likes these foreigners (mainland chinese, taiwanese, koreans, japs, etc) spoil the women with lavish gifts, vacations, dinner, money, etc. Do a google search for the restaurant name "Tràm Chim" and look at the photos and videos under reviews. It's all thirsty old dudes posing with waitresses, getting them to spoon feed them, and there is even some photos where they are giving them gifts. Because of shit like this, I had one chick propose that I take her to go shopping and dinner for our first meetup and another one try to get me to buy her a new phone. It's really frustrating and It really pisses me off when I see shit like this because it just makes things a lot harder for everyone. First they fucked things up in their own countries and now they are travelling abroad and doing the same damage too. I think as game-aware men we need to do more male shaming to deter behavior like this.

Also ex-pats from western countries aren't excluded from this. I see a shit tonne of posts every week from thirsty westerners hitting on countless vietnamese chicks that posts on these ex-pat groups on fb.

[EndsExpect]

(01-12-2019 12:16 PM)flyinghorse Wrote:  

Well I teach English as a foreign language, so unless I work in Europe (which pays low) I will always be around different ethnicities.
The dating options are fine for dating Asians or white chicks in HCMC. My thing is I'm looking for long term now I'm in my 30s so I need someone fluent in English and a decent character (looks along is not enough).

White girls are super picky when surrounded by men of their native cultures. So, it makes sense to take advantage when you are in Asia, as for some stupid reason they refuse to even consider dating the local guys.

I know a few girls I went to college with that did J-Term traveling. They were celibate around tall handsome S.Korean guys... but went to Haiti and fucked ugly brain-dead midgets. It's just one of those things that makes me hate women from my own culture.

[Polero]

@Flyinghorse can you please provide some info about teaching in Vietnam? That's something I might consider in the future.