[nash23]

I visit Ho Chi Minh city pretty often, primarily because of the ratio of hot women to eligible men, the thumping 7 days a week nightlife and the low cost of living.

Just by way of background, I like busty petite women (especially girls with skinny arms and perky C/D cups), and I find these in buckets over in HCM. Also, the guys there
have absolutely no game, and most of the younger decent/stylish looking guys are gay. While the primary obstacle is language, most of the girls do speak some rudimentary english, and the rest
could be plastered over with body language and google translate.

Places to go:

The RNB/hip hop joints have lots of young, university girls that speak decent english - Lavish, Lush (2 Ly Tu Truong), Fuse (3A Ton Duc Thang) are good

However, my preference are the ear thumping electro clubs (wear earplugs) where you'll find groups of attractive girls partying - its a very local scene though, so english skills on average are lower. These include X Club, Canalis (147 Hai Ba Trung), Gold club, Crazy Eights. There are also girls here that will drink with you and take a small tip from you at the end of the night (USD3-5), they're not hookers, so you can get their number and date close them if you're interested, ONS is tougher as they work there till the club closes around 4am. Also, there are security guards everywhere and there will be one assigned to your table, good idea to tip him upfront when you get there so he looks after you (sometimes they pull groups of single girls to your table without you even doing anything), they will also cockblock you from girls that are with guys from other tables, good way to prevent fights. Drinks are pretty cheap (bottles for USD60-70), and avoid the fruit platters if you wanna save some cash (its a rip off at USD20-30 per plate), but girls do love these.

There is also a live band joint called Napoli (7 pham ngoc thach) with lots of hot girls serving drinks.

Theres also an after club place called Skybar 35 that closes 5am-ish, but it has some gangster types in there so be wary

There are a few other clubs that are more famous like gossip, as well as the backpacker district bars, but i find these are usually crawling with WGs, so best avoided

For day game, you can check out the girls working at the department stores and shops at Vincom Centre etc

There's an amazing restaurant called Tram Chim (303 dien bien phu), all the waitresses here have crazy bodies. Most are up for dates after work, just get their digits.


Game:

Dancing game works very well here - theres a main raised dancefloor in most clubs

I also open by getting eye contact and cheering girls from my table, and if reception is warm, walking over and introducing myself in english. as english levels are usually low, keep it simple and slow. knowing some basic viet phrases help too. Most of them are usually very curious
about foreigners

Best way to close a girl is to drag her for supper near your place after clubbing and telling her its late and to just stay over at your hotel (her house would usually be really far out), and emphasise that you'll just sleep if she resists. once you get her back in your room, 90+% chance you'll get your notch. if she resists and she's with her friends, just invite all of her friends back to your place to "sleep" as well. i've done this a few times, and banged the girl while her friends pretended to sleep on the same bed

Also, being alpha is good, most girls love it when you caveman, kino etc

Where to stay:

I usually check out asiarooms.com - you can get a good, clean and centrally located 3 star hotel in District 1 within walking distance of Ben Thanh Market (lots of good cheap food and souvenir/clothes shopping etc) for USD30 a night. also make sure you book your room for 2 people to avoid issues with bringing girls back, also all hotels need the girl's ID card before she's allowed to come to your room at night.

[Spike]

I've been to Ho Chi Minh or Siagon as it was called before and this is a good datasheet. + 1

[billy]

good info when I was in saigon all I saw was whores.

[chochemonger1]

In Saigon the men are huge beer drinkers, with no game, so there is where your advantage lies. The game there, as was mentioned, is dinner game. Normal Vietnamese girls feel shy or ashamed when drinking in front of the local people. Bar girls are the exception. But take a young normal girl to a nice dinner on the 2nd meeting and 95 percent of the times, she will come back to your place. Generally, no drinks are involved and if you do have some sweet alcoholic drink, when she goes to your place, she will drink, at most half of it. Some put up a bit a resistance, but it is token resistance, in general.
I gained a bit of weight in Saigon because of all the dinner game I used. Now back in the Phils, I am loosing that weight. Such irony when Filipino food is considered so unhealthy. Dinner for girls, in the Philippines, is not as important when you go out with them. Just being foreign with some game makes them happy.

[AlphaTravel]

I struggled to find anywhere decent to go out in Saigon. Only ended up in shitty bars and clubs full of backpackers and other travellers and the casino a few times but locals aren't allowed in those. Wish I'd know some good places to go because I've since found out there's a great night life scene. An acquaintance lives out there, he was travelling, fell in love with the city (something I can't imagine doing as it's a horrible, over crowded, dump) and just never left and he's always talking about all the great club nights and events he's been to. Loads of cool pics.

[nomadicdude]

I felt like any club that had a non-Vietnamese person was filled with Vietnamese whores and rarely a regular girl except tourist and expat chicks. Once I went to a place that was Vietnamese only, and the girls seemed regular, but it didn't seem they would be very open to foreigners.

I went to some place that is the place to go on Tuesday nights. It was really good for expat chicks but there were loads of Vietnamese girls just standing around on the second floor, and it seemed most were hookers or something.

I think Saigon is a good place to game tourist and expat chicks though as they have fewer options since they aren't down with the Vietnamese guys.

[chochemonger1]

You guys should really try Vietnam Cupid, when you are in Saigon. Tons of normal cute girls who will come to a first date, with their motorbike, especially if you live in District 1 (i.e to Vincom Center Mall). Don't get a place in Pham Ngu Lao, which is where most of the backpackers stay. That is considered low class and where all the bar girls and hookers hang out. The nightclub scene there didn't do it for me. Just got numbers mostly, that didn't go anywhere.
Also, Vietnam Cupid allows you to weed out the non english speakers, which was the biggest problem, in terms of gaming over there. Managed to bang 20 to 25 young women over there in 6 to 7 weeks, so there are opportunities. Not at the level of The Philippines, in terms of ease or day game, but definitely worth a try. The country has a real Asian feel to it, unlike the Phils, which often seems very Americanized. They even eat dog meat in Vietnam.

[mikeymike]

how does it compare to thailand...are they worshiping the pale skin too or will us guys with a lil flava have some luck...not to race troll but Thailand was not the same place for non white guys as it is for white guys...is it as dramatic here or?

[AlphaTravel]

I also got loads of numbers in Vietnam but most of them went nowhere. Girls working in restaurants, hotels, shops etc would give me their numbers but never respond to my calls or messages.

[chochemonger1]

(06-12-2012 06:20 PM)AlphaTravel Wrote:  

I also got loads of numbers in Vietnam but most of them went nowhere. Girls working in restaurants, hotels, shops etc would give me their numbers but never respond to my calls or messages.

Alot of them are shy and ashamed of their english. So that is why they don't call back. So the key is finding the english speakers, which is why internet game is the best option there.

[WanderingSoul]

Saigon is high on my list. Met a guy who trains BJJ over there who is Vietnamese but from the states. Says it's a blast. As far as the "All I found in Saigon was whores" comments, I take it with a grain of salt. People say the same thing about BKK even though this city is over 10 million people and jam PACKED with hot, non-pro, Thai ass.

[Deb Auchery]

Nice data, haven't made it to Vietnam on my trips to S E Asia, might take a look when in Thailand this Winter

[AlphaTravel]

Why you heading to Asia Deb when you dislike Asian girls so much?

[Spike]

(06-12-2012 05:53 PM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

Also, Vietnam Cupid allows you to weed out the non english speakers, which was the biggest problem, in terms of gaming over there. Managed to bang 20 to 25 young women over there in 6 to 7 weeks, so there are opportunities. Not at the level of The Philippines, in terms of ease or day game, but definitely worth a try. The country has a real Asian feel to it, unlike the Phils, which often seems very Americanized. They even eat dog meat in Vietnam.

That's a lot of girls in a country like Vietnam which is still conservative in terms of picking up girls.
Please write a few datasheets on how you manage to do that in Vietnam and even in the Phils.

I'm not saying bullshit because you normally write good posts but this claim sounds a bit over the top. Techniques please.

[Deb Auchery]

(06-13-2012 09:23 AM)AlphaTravel Wrote:  

Why you heading to Asia Deb when you dislike Asian girls so much?

Because I have a life, and have other things to do then merely chase around little brown bambinos.

Asian girls are not my type as I have mentioned, but there are cute girls in every country.

[The Fantasist]

(06-12-2012 05:53 PM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

Managed to bang 20 to 25 young women over there in 6 to 7 weeks, so there are opportunities.

That means you're claiming you banged a different girl every two days. I'm going to go ahead and call you out on that because that's nigh on impossible to do unless you are paying for it.

[The Fantasist]

(06-13-2012 12:22 PM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

(06-12-2012 05:53 PM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

Managed to bang 20 to 25 young women over there in 6 to 7 weeks, so there are opportunities.

That means you're claiming you banged a different girl every two days. I'm going to go ahead and call you out on that because that's nigh on impossible to do unless you are paying for it. And you say you found it easier to bang in the Philippines! Dude how many did you bang in the Philippines then??! Surely you meant to write that you banged girls who were 20-25 years old and not that you banged that many women?

[WanderingSoul]

(06-13-2012 12:22 PM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

That means you're claiming you banged a different girl every two days. I'm going to go ahead and call you out on that because that's nigh on impossible to do unless you are paying for it.

You *could* do 20-25 girls in 6-7 weeks here in Bangkok if you relied heavily on online game. It would require you going out 4-6 nights a week probably and spending quite a lot of time on the dating sites. Honestly, it would take a lot of effort but it is possible, and you would probably have a lot of 6s in there.

I hear Vietnam is more conservative than Thailand though so it might be much more difficult there.

[AlphaTravel]

Yeah in theory it's possible but in reality probably not unless you are a machine. In my first week in Bangkok thanks to pipelining I met 6 girls and banged 5 of them but I couldn't keep it up. It was too exhausting going out every night, going for drinks, staying out late, fucking them, getting a few hours sleep and then repeating it all over again. After that first week I didn't want to go out on dates anymore than a couple nights a week. I think Vietnam is more difficult than Thailand.

[chochemonger1]

(06-13-2012 12:22 PM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

(06-12-2012 05:53 PM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

Managed to bang 20 to 25 young women over there in 6 to 7 weeks, so there are opportunities.

That means you're claiming you banged a different girl every two days. I'm going to go ahead and call you out on that because that's nigh on impossible to do unless you are paying for it.

I understand your skepticism, Vorkuta, but I never exaggerate or lie on my posts. But I will lay it out for you so you can understand. My strategy involved several things:
1. Got a swanky pad in the best part of the city (set me back 1100 dollars a month), which is in District 1 next to Vincom Center Mall.
2. Pipelined the internet and paid for a membership in vietnam cupid.
3. Wrote on my profile that i was contracted by Citibank to work 6 months, as a consultant. Also that I had dual nationalities: American and Brazilian (people everywhere tend to like Brazilians, especially in soccer mad countries like Vietnam) and speak several languages (which i actually do).
4. Set up 2 or 3 dates per day. Most girls had no problem, going to meet me at Vincom Mall with their motorbikes even if they lived far away (the majority use them all the time). Usually each date lasted an hour to an hour and a half and I used them to scope out the girls' attitude, looks, english ability, kino acceptance, etc. I just had to walk 2 blocks to the mall so it didn't involve much effort on my part.
5. Since i knew Vietnamese girls are more conservative, I almost never attempted first date bangs (though i did get 2). The key was picking the right ones based on the criteria I mentioned above and not bothering with the ones who were too conservative, for example. So with the ones, I deemed, had the right characteristics, I set up 2nd dates at night. The days and evenings were always used to scout new young talent( All my dates were 18 to 24) Vietnamese girls are not drinkers so it was usually a dinner date at a nice place.
6. The girls love dinner dates there and when I attempted a cheap coffee 2nd date, I couldnt pull the girl when she went back to my place. The dinner dates at a nice place, I think, showed them that you wanted something serious with them. So most had no problem going back to my swanky pad, which was always nearby.
7. Most put up token resistance in my pad, but 80 percent put out in the end. The other 20 percent I banged on the 3rd date, which usually just involved watching a movie at my place.

Now do the math vorkuta and you can see the 20 to 25 is possible.
I'm in Manila right now, and if one set up things right over here, one could average a bang a day. Obviously some days you wouldn't bang, but on weekends 2 different bangs a day is entirely possible. My brother who was in Bangkok, while I was in Saigon, had around 30 different girls in 7 weeks. So, Im sure many SE Asia experts in the forum can back me up on how you can rack up big numbers, with young women, over there.
Vietnam, with its more conservative women and lower percentage of english speakers, presents more of a challenge than the Philippines and Thailand. But with the right strategy and some work, one can still do well over there.

P.S. Never have paid for a woman or prostitute in my life or even shored.

[the_conductor]

How much are you guys getting without online game? Nash23 seems not to use it, while from their posts chochemonger1 and Vortuka seem to rely primarily on it.

From day game, night game at non-pro venues, social circle game etc.

[WanderingSoul]

(06-13-2012 03:36 PM)AlphaTravel Wrote:  

Yeah in theory it's possible but in reality probably not unless you are a machine. In my first week in Bangkok thanks to pipelining I met 6 girls and banged 5 of them but I couldn't keep it up. It was too exhausting going out every night, going for drinks, staying out late, fucking them, getting a few hours sleep and then repeating it all over again. After that first week I didn't want to go out on dates anymore than a couple nights a week. I think Vietnam is more difficult than Thailand.

Sometimes I go 2-3 weeks without going on a date. I like to get 2-4 girls in rotation and keep them there for a few weeks. After Jiu Jitsu it's a pain in the ass to run home, shower, get dressed, eat and then go meet some girl for drinks while my body is still burning hot from practice and my muscles are dead tired. I would hate to try to nail 3-4 new chicks a week for 6-7 weeks, it would be exhausting.

[chochemonger1]

(06-14-2012 04:08 AM)the_conductor Wrote:  

How much are you guys getting without online game? Nash23 seems not to use it, while from their posts chochemonger1 and Vortuka seem to rely primarily on it.

From day game, night game at non-pro venues, social circle game etc.

I can only say it is the most reliable type of game there is in SE Asia. In Vietnam, day game is extremely difficult because of the language barrier and night game seems to just produce many numbers, that go nowhere. So why go to the club, get drunk and just go back alone when you can rest up, and meet several girls during the day and bang at night, with the 2nd date girls. The talent level on Vietnam cupid was similar to what was typical in either day or night venues.
Now in the Philippines, day game is a great option to complement internet game. This is especially true in 2nd tier cities, where they don't see many foreigners and their english level is usually decent. It is very easy to approach girls in the malls and getting several numbers in a 2 hour sweep of the mall is not uncommon. Also, the quality you get by day gaming in malls is higher than on the internet. In Manila, day game is a bit tougher, since everyone seems to be on the run or busy and the mall girls have seen too many foreigners to be that impressed; but it is still doable.
Now, I haven't been to Bangkok, but from my brothers report to me and from the forum, it seems that there, night game offers many opportunities, but it should also be mixed with internet game to maximize efficiency.

[AlphaTravel]

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Set up 2 or 3 dates per day. Most girls had no problem, going to meet me at Vincom Mall with their motorbikes even if they lived far away (the majority use them all the time). Usually each date lasted an hour to an hour and a half and I used them to scope out the girls' attitude, looks, english ability, kino acceptance, etc. I just had to walk 2 blocks to the mall so it didn't involve much effort on my part.

Three dates a day seems a bit too much to me. In my first week in Bangkok I planned to do 2 a day, meet one in the daytime and one at night but it just didn't work out. I'd end up out late at night with one girl then sleeping in late the next day and missing the date or just being too tired / hungover to go meet one. Some days I'd wake up to my phone ringing and it'd be a girl asking where I was (I'd arranged to meet her somewhere at 1pm for example), the girl from the night before would still be in my bed and I'd have to hurry them out, get ready, go out to meet new girl. Felt like I never had any time to myself so 3 dates a day would be a major hassle and I always met them just a short walk away from my hotel. I'm slightly skeptical that someone could find time to fit 2 or 3 dates in a day for several weeks.

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Sometimes I go 2-3 weeks without going on a date. I like to get 2-4 girls in rotation and keep them there for a few weeks. After Jiu Jitsu it's a pain in the ass to run home, shower, get dressed, eat and then go meet some girl for drinks while my body is still burning hot from practice and my muscles are dead tired. I would hate to try to nail 3-4 new chicks a week for 6-7 weeks, it would be exhausting.

Yeah I like to keep girls in rotation as well and had 2 or 3 I'd see on a weekly basis in BKK. Meeting new girls for first dates can be a bit of a drag sometimes, especially natually shy asian girls. I agree meeting so many girls in such a short time frame would be too exhausting for me and I'd find it a bit boring after a while. I like to spend time doing other things too when i'm abroad.

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Now, I haven't been to Bangkok, but from my brothers report to me and from the forum, it seems that there, night game offers many opportunities, but it should also be mixed with internet game to maximize efficiency.

Anyone who says they are going out in Bangkok and regularly getting laid from clubs and bars is either fucking lots of pros / semi pros or not telling the truth. It's not easy to find good Thai girls who will seperate from their friends, go home with a farang, and have a one night stand. It happens but it's not the norm. Online game is also a must in Bangkok if you want to get lot of bangs IMO. Day approaches can be hit or miss. Night time game can often lead to frustration and nothing more than lots of money spent and a hangover the next day or getting a load of numbers that may or may not go anywhere as Thai girls always give out their numbers but don't neccessarily respond to your calls or texts. You meet a girl online, get her on a date, you'll probably fuck her.

[chochemonger1]

(06-14-2012 10:42 AM)AlphaTravel Wrote:  

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Set up 2 or 3 dates per day. Most girls had no problem, going to meet me at Vincom Mall with their motorbikes even if they lived far away (the majority use them all the time). Usually each date lasted an hour to an hour and a half and I used them to scope out the girls' attitude, looks, english ability, kino acceptance, etc. I just had to walk 2 blocks to the mall so it didn't involve much effort on my part.

Three dates a day seems a bit too much to me. In my first week in Bangkok I planned to do 2 a day, meet one in the daytime and one at night but it just didn't work out. I'd end up out late at night with one girl then sleeping in late the next day and missing the date or just being too tired / hungover to go meet one. Some days I'd wake up to my phone ringing and it'd be a girl asking where I was (I'd arranged to meet her somewhere at 1pm for example), the girl from the night before would still be in my bed and I'd have to hurry them out, get ready, go out to meet new girl. Felt like I never had any time to myself so 3 dates a day would be a major hassle and I always met them just a short walk away from my hotel. I'm slightly skeptical that someone could find time to fit 2 or 3 dates in a day for several weeks.

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Sometimes I go 2-3 weeks without going on a date. I like to get 2-4 girls in rotation and keep them there for a few weeks. After Jiu Jitsu it's a pain in the ass to run home, shower, get dressed, eat and then go meet some girl for drinks while my body is still burning hot from practice and my muscles are dead tired. I would hate to try to nail 3-4 new chicks a week for 6-7 weeks, it would be exhausting.

Yeah I like to keep girls in rotation as well and had 2 or 3 I'd see on a weekly basis in BKK. Meeting new girls for first dates can be a bit of a drag sometimes, especially natually shy asian girls. I agree meeting so many girls in such a short time frame would be too exhausting for me and I'd find it a bit boring after a while. I like to spend time doing other things too when i'm abroad.

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Now, I haven't been to Bangkok, but from my brothers report to me and from the forum, it seems that there, night game offers many opportunities, but it should also be mixed with internet game to maximize efficiency.

Anyone who says they are going out in Bangkok and regularly getting laid from clubs and bars is either fucking lots of pros / semi pros or not telling the truth. It's not easy to find good Thai girls who will seperate from their friends, go home with a farang, and have a one night stand. It happens but it's not the norm. Online game is also a must in Bangkok if you want to get lot of bangs IMO. Day approaches can be hit or miss. Night time game can often lead to frustration and nothing more than lots of money spent and a hangover the next day or getting a load of numbers that may or may not go anywhere as Thai girls always give out their numbers but don't neccessarily respond to your calls or texts. You meet a girl online, get her on a date, you'll probably fuck her.

Yes alpha, that is the way it is in SE Asia and Thailand...Internet game. I will come back always, because this is the part of the world where you don't need to repeat with girls, you just bang young new ones all the time. There are exceptions, but i really did not want a regular or girlfriend here.
In Eastern Europe night or day game might be optimal, but those of us who have been to SE Asia, internet game is the best way to go for a foreigner, in general. But don't forget day game in the Philippines.