@rudebwoy thanks man, in which way different. How is the current situation in Canada?
@corsega i know you're into statistics and tinder a lot and i had actually run a mini datasheet with how many girls i matched with and how many initiated the conversation, how many were willing to go on a date with me, and how many were straight DTF. Also the difference between running direct douchebag game vs being nice and creative with my openers. Unfortunately can't seem to find it, i had it on a USB but it's somewhere in the stash of shit after i moved out. I would be willing to run a similar test again after new year if you would be interested in that, even though it's data from Europe, don't know how much that would benefit you. But it's definitely interesting to look at.
I went back to read all 20 pages of this thread and I wanted to highlight some very important posts. Rudebwoy, Moma and AnonymousBosch literally explain this to a tee. So much gold in their posts, go back and read it. For people denying having an amazing physique doesn't have a big impact on how you are perceived, read this one.
Quote: (01-03-2017 10:31 AM)zatara Wrote:
The only people who ever doubt the benefits of having a top 5% of the population physique are those who've never experienced it. So they rationalize away the hard work and effort required to get there as being not worth it.
I've never known a single man who went from either skinny/fat/normal to in very good shape to not have their experience/success with women completely change. Its night and day.
At the club/in real life situations, you have 2 types of guys. The ones that envy you and hate you based on looks only (judging a book by its cover), guys that wish they were your size. And you have the down to earth cool dudes, that approach you to compliment you and ask you questions about your training, diet, supplementation which could be a direct DHV when girls see other guys are flocking around you or approaching you, admiring your physique.
In fact, most of the big guys are actually the most down to earth guys and the most humble, you wouldn’t think so, but it’s true. At least where I live, you don’t see big gorillas go around with stringer tank tops and show off and grunt for every rep. But on the other hand you see a lot of twigs with crazy cut tank tops, red and veiny in the face after pulling way too much weight than they can handle, usually, they try hard to act alpha and intimidating – trying to overcompensate for something internal lacking.
In reality, it doesn’t matter how tall you are/how much you weight (in some cases) as long as you are around 10% bodyfat I’d say you’re already above 90% of the population. What it comes down to genetics, muscle insertion, and your ability to burn fat/put on muscle. Now there’s a difference between a gym rat, someone that ONLY does gym and lift weights, and someone outgoing and social. The latter is who you want to strive for.
Having a nice body indicates that you have your shit in order, you eat healthy, you’re committed to your goals and you work hard. It’s like walking past a nice house with a nice car in the garage, wouldn’t you think, wow this guy must have worked hard and long for those, respect. If you’re ready to do something most people don’t, you will achieve something most people haven’t. You get the best of both worlds. An attractive physique attracts both men and women. You get respect from men and attraction from women. But you want to do it for yourself in the first place, not to impress someone else. If you feel good in your body, you feel good in your mind.
Now imagine combining a good body + good game + frame. Imagine what kind of havoc you can wreak in the game.
Quote: (03-16-2017 06:18 PM)Neo Wrote:
I've posted in this thread before, but let me reiterate.
You can't expect women to just walk up and drop their panties for you, you still need game. My point is all things being equal you will just need less game.
How many times have you seen a girl from afar just enough to see a tight body and thought "Yeah I'd hit that." without knowing anything else about her?
Women do the same thing. They're more complicated, and don't value a great physique as much as men...but the man with the better physique in the long run will get more auditions, do less work, and be able to close with less resistance.
This is my experience, so I'm not just theorizing. I went from being a stick to gaining a decent amount of muscle. I'm not 'big' but I look athletic, and with some better fitting clothes things got much much easier.
The other benefit is other men treat you with more respect. A guy with a great physique just gives off a "don't fuck with me" vibe naturally. Sure, some can't back it up, but perception is reality most of the time.
Any 'physique deniers' in this thread, I don't even want you guys to take any of our words for it. Just put in some training time and see what happens.