[billy]

I am currently 8 weeks into my first steriod cycle and frankly I wish I had done it 3 years ago. I put on more lean muscle in 9 weeks than in the previous year and a half of training. I generally feel great and I am already gutted that I have to PCT soon.
I can see where people go wrong with them, I have had no sides apart form a few lost nights sleep and some spots and it makes you want to keep upping the dosage to see how far you can go. For me personally the buzz from test is better than any recreational drug out there and the hardest part will be being disciplined enough to stop when the I am suposed to, I can see why people run test all year round.

[Moma]

(04-06-2012 03:45 PM)kosko Wrote:  

As a African I am pumping testosterone and HGH at crazy levels. You don't need the juice. Just eat goat and you'll be a raging bull. What did people do before synthetics? Roids were born out of eugenics labs in communist and fascist Europe were they not? They had an idea of super humans that would trample over all. It's nutty science. The human body is already a insane machine you just have to fuel it properly.

Please elaborate on this. Eating goat?

[Moma]

(04-07-2012 02:13 AM)billy Wrote:  

I am currently 8 weeks into my first steriod cycle and frankly I wish I had done it 3 years ago. I put on more lean muscle in 9 weeks than in the previous year and a half of training. I generally feel great and I am already gutted that I have to PCT soon.
I can see where people go wrong with them, I have had no sides apart form a few lost nights sleep and some spots and it makes you want to keep upping the dosage to see how far you can go. For me personally the buzz from test is better than any recreational drug out there and the hardest part will be being disciplined enough to stop when the I am suposed to, I can see why people run test all year round.

How is your sex drive? Horny much? Testicular size, same or slightly smaller? Please elucidate.

[billy]

(04-07-2012 02:33 AM)Moma Wrote:  

How is your sex drive? Horny much? Testicular size, same or slightly smaller? Please elucidate.

Sex drive is mental as in have sex at night, get a blowjob in the moring then still have to wank in the shower before leaving the house. Bollocks are still the same size no atrophy at all.

[WanderingSoul]

(04-07-2012 02:13 AM)billy Wrote:  

I am currently 8 weeks into my first steriod cycle and frankly I wish I had done it 3 years ago. I put on more lean muscle in 9 weeks than in the previous year and a half of training. I generally feel great and I am already gutted that I have to PCT soon.
I can see where people go wrong with them, I have had no sides apart form a few lost nights sleep and some spots and it makes you want to keep upping the dosage to see how far you can go. For me personally the buzz from test is better than any recreational drug out there and the hardest part will be being disciplined enough to stop when the I am suposed to, I can see why people run test all year round.

Do you know how much of the mass and strength you have put on can you expect to keep once you end your cycle? Does it generally stay, or will you start to lose it until your next cycle?

And also, what do you mean by "spots" as far as side effects?

[alecks]

yes it is true that there is a lot of stigma towards steroid use....but they just look at it like abuse though.

a lot of retards,especially in america dont even know what steroids are,they just get told to inject this that or the other compound and they'll see results.Not even knowing what their taking, no shutdown,no pct no support supps and no bloodwork done! sweet,just muscle in a vial.

im only 20 and id know a decent bit about them,for when i do a light cycle (probably a ph first) in a few years time

[billy]

(04-07-2012 04:59 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

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Do you know how much of the mass and strength you have put on can you expect to keep once you end your cycle? Does it generally stay, or will you start to lose it until your next cycle?

And also, what do you mean by "spots" as far as side effects?

I have no idea as yet, its different for every one and in part depends on the quality of PCT but seeing as this is my forst cycle I have no idea. for an example a friend of mine does fuck all PCT and his bench goes from 160kg's to 120 when off cycle, Another person I know seems to keep 90% of his size and stregnth and his PCT is just 5 days of clomid.
Spots is acne not a terrible case but its not ideal either.

[theoak]

(04-06-2012 01:28 AM)drymarro Wrote:  

Look up Zyzz on youtube. Famous Aesthetics guy.. inspired thousands.. he died because of steroids.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aziz_Shavershian

RIP zyzz

[madcaptravels]

i always thought i iwouldnt tuch them...no really, i wont!

[_DC_]

Per the Zyzz montage... at what point did he start using steroids? It is my understanding that he actually got quite huge completely naturally for a time.

[mikeymike]

(04-07-2012 04:59 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

(04-07-2012 02:13 AM)billy Wrote:  

I am currently 8 weeks into my first steriod cycle and frankly I wish I had done it 3 years ago. I put on more lean muscle in 9 weeks than in the previous year and a half of training. I generally feel great and I am already gutted that I have to PCT soon.
I can see where people go wrong with them, I have had no sides apart form a few lost nights sleep and some spots and it makes you want to keep upping the dosage to see how far you can go. For me personally the buzz from test is better than any recreational drug out there and the hardest part will be being disciplined enough to stop when the I am suposed to, I can see why people run test all year round.

Do you know how much of the mass and strength you have put on can you expect to keep once you end your cycle? Does it generally stay, or will you start to lose it until your next cycle?

And also, what do you mean by "spots" as far as side effects?

that varies on many factors from individual to products used, to how you eat afterwards, your pct etc. You can have a guy who was on tren or primo and made clean gains maintain nearly all his gains while losing a bunch of strength...while another could've done a bulker with loads of dbol/test and packed on a bunch of weight and water and you'll see that flush away and the weight come down quickly, they'll maintain some of it but lose as much. So it's hard to say unless you know more factors than just I was on gear how much should I expect to keep

[mikeymike]

(04-07-2012 02:46 PM)_DC_ Wrote:  

Per the Zyzz montage... at what point did he start using steroids? It is my understanding that he actually got quite huge completely naturally for a time.

rip but the bro had an ego and if I were to guess he didn't have the patience to last much longer than when he started making strides before he was hitting the tren, pic 5 is my guess and def by pic 6...and the gh started shortly thereafter. He was always a skinny guy so nobody confirmed the gh use but i'd bet money he was... packing on more mass while staying shredded, you can achieve it on tren if your diets strict but between the 2 he could be out drinkin like a fish, eating big macs and stay ripped while adding some slabs of mass...it's a no brainer for someone who wanted to be in the public eye that bad. It worked tho, you gotta be mirin' dude was a physical specimen for a fitness model build. Respect.

[whitenoise]

(04-07-2012 02:13 AM)billy Wrote:  

I am currently 8 weeks into my first steriod cycle and frankly I wish I had done it 3 years ago. I put on more lean muscle in 9 weeks than in the previous year and a half of training. I generally feel great and I am already gutted that I have to PCT soon.
I can see where people go wrong with them, I have had no sides apart form a few lost nights sleep and some spots and it makes you want to keep upping the dosage to see how far you can go. For me personally the buzz from test is better than any recreational drug out there and the hardest part will be being disciplined enough to stop when the I am suposed to, I can see why people run test all year round.

that's exactly the problem. people become completely dependent on it. BAM, one cheeky cycle turns into ten years on

[assman]

(04-07-2012 03:58 PM)whitenoise Wrote:  

that's exactly the problem. people become completely dependent on it. BAM, one cheeky cycle turns into ten years on

This is why I've never tried test/roids. Reading the stories of people who've juiced (in their words, not some media manipulation), the thing that stood out wasn't the side effects. It was the psychological addiction. Seems no one does 1 or 2 cycles and calls it quits, happy with whatever semi-permanent gains they've made.

[mikeymike]

(04-07-2012 04:33 PM)assman Wrote:  

(04-07-2012 03:58 PM)whitenoise Wrote:  

that's exactly the problem. people become completely dependent on it. BAM, one cheeky cycle turns into ten years on

This is why I've never tried test/roids. Reading the stories of people who've juiced (in their words, not some media manipulation), the thing that stood out wasn't the side effects. It was the psychological addiction. Seems no one does 1 or 2 cycles and calls it quits, happy with whatever semi-permanent gains they've made.

Perfect doesn't exist...one cycle makes you better, another one makes you a little better...when you're on that ride it's gotta be tough to stop. Then your perception of what's good enough changes...I have a bro at the gym that was a fat fucker, he asked me for cycle advice, told him to get off his ass and build a base first but I know he was going to do it anyway, and sure enough he ordered up a bunch of shit with bad info and I had to set him straight, he just wanted to be like ryan reynolds...got him his abs now he's not big enough, the abs aren't enough but he doesnt want to be too big just bigger...when he hits not to big...he's gonna want to be a little bit bigger and then it's either gonna be I need to be bigger than that or it's gonna be well if I get off now I'm going to lose what I've got so I need to stay on to keep myself here and dial it in even further...what he wanted to achieve he could've done naturally...problem is most guys are too lazy...if you haven't maxed out your potential, aas shouldn't be in your thoughts...and i'm doubting even 5% of aas users out there were near their max natural potential when they started, hell most of them on shit aren't near where their max natural potential would be, they half ass it off gear and they half ass it on gear.

[garygroundwork]

(04-07-2012 04:52 PM)mikeymike Wrote:  

(04-07-2012 04:33 PM)assman Wrote:  

(04-07-2012 03:58 PM)whitenoise Wrote:  

that's exactly the problem. people become completely dependent on it. BAM, one cheeky cycle turns into ten years on

This is why I've never tried test/roids. Reading the stories of people who've juiced (in their words, not some media manipulation), the thing that stood out wasn't the side effects. It was the psychological addiction. Seems no one does 1 or 2 cycles and calls it quits, happy with whatever semi-permanent gains they've made.

Perfect doesn't exist...one cycle makes you better, another one makes you a little better...when you're on that ride it's gotta be tough to stop. Then your perception of what's good enough changes...I have a bro at the gym that was a fat fucker, he asked me for cycle advice, told him to get off his ass and build a base first but I know he was going to do it anyway, and sure enough he ordered up a bunch of shit with bad info and I had to set him straight, he just wanted to be like ryan reynolds...got him his abs now he's not big enough, the abs aren't enough but he doesnt want to be too big just bigger...when he hits not to big...he's gonna want to be a little bit bigger and then it's either gonna be I need to be bigger than that or it's gonna be well if I get off now I'm going to lose what I've got so I need to stay on to keep myself here and dial it in even further...what he wanted to achieve he could've done naturally...problem is most guys are too lazy...if you haven't maxed out your potential, aas shouldn't be in your thoughts...and i'm doubting even 5% of aas users out there were near their max natural potential when they started, hell most of them on shit aren't near where their max natural potential would be, they half ass it off gear and they half ass it on gear.

THIS-great info

biggest error people make-using before they have maxed out genetic potential. unless you have built a big base naturally you are not ready.

as for zyzz dead at 22...hardly worth it

and for dude on the 8 week cycle of course u feel great now get back to us in about 6 weeks and tell us how u feel.

[garygroundwork]

i just cant see why young people want to use drugs and put their health at risk and fuck with their endocrine system to get an inch on their arms to try and impress sluts...

when it can be done naturally with good diet and hard training

zyzz and all his jersey shore like followers are fuckwits

[billy]

(04-09-2012 07:11 AM)garygroundwork Wrote:  

i just cant see why young people want to use drugs and put their health at risk and fuck with their endocrine system to get an inch on their arms to try and impress sluts...

when it can be done naturally with good diet and hard training

the part you miss is that it canot be done naturally for many , I wish I had done this 2 years ago as the last years of training for me were a waste if time, why spend so long to achieve nothing when you can do so much in such a short amount of time with some juice. The only positive for me about wating so long was if I had hit the juice earlier I never would have had such a strong incentive to stop smoking and drinking.

[garygroundwork]

(04-09-2012 02:08 PM)billy Wrote:  

(04-09-2012 07:11 AM)garygroundwork Wrote:  

i just cant see why young people want to use drugs and put their health at risk and fuck with their endocrine system to get an inch on their arms to try and impress sluts...

when it can be done naturally with good diet and hard training

the part you miss is that it canot be done naturally for many , I wish I had done this 2 years ago as the last years of training for me were a waste if time, why spend so long to achieve nothing when you can do so much in such a short amount of time with some juice. The only positive for me about wating so long was if I had hit the juice earlier I never would have had such a strong incentive to stop smoking and drinking.

having a nice ripped athletic body with a six pack that women like/prefer can be done by anybody with good diet and good training and discipline

being huge and ripped like a competitive body builder-that can't be done by anybody yes u will need drugs and to compromise your health

[assman]

(04-09-2012 05:35 PM)garygroundwork Wrote:  

being huge and ripped like a competitive body builder-that can't be done by anybody yes u will need drugs and to compromise your health

Zyzz started off fairly skinny. It's not clear to me that he could have ever gotten to his size without juice. And he was far from hyooge. With loose fitting clothing on, he looked pretty normal.

And even if he could have gotten there without juice, it might have taken many years.

I realize Zyzz isn't a great example b/c he's dead, but seems there were a lot of factors at play besides the juice.

That said, I'd bet a lot of guys who got into juicing because of Zyzz did it because they wanted to appeal to girls like he did. But looking at his pics from when he was skinny, you could tell the guy had flair. I'd bet there are plenty of beefy guys who don't get laid or only barely get laid. Muscles != game

[rudebwoy]

(04-09-2012 05:51 PM)assman Wrote:  

(04-09-2012 05:35 PM)garygroundwork Wrote:  

being huge and ripped like a competitive body builder-that can't be done by anybody yes u will need drugs and to compromise your health

Zyzz started off fairly skinny. It's not clear to me that he could have ever gotten to his size without juice. And he was far from hyooge. With loose fitting clothing on, he looked pretty normal.

And even if he could have gotten there without juice, it might have taken many years.

I realize Zyzz isn't a great example b/c he's dead, but seems there were a lot of factors at play besides the juice.

That said, I'd bet a lot of guys who got into juicing because of Zyzz did it because they wanted to appeal to girls like he did. But looking at his pics from when he was skinny, you could tell the guy had flair. I'd bet there are plenty of beefy guys who don't get laid or only barely get laid. Muscles != game

Dude is listed as being 100kg which is pretty big.(Wiki)
The thing about roids is that if you are skinny with very little body fat then they will help you tremendously, due to his body type he did not have to worry about getting fat. He is young and was constantly taking clenbuterol, which is a very strong fat burner that I believe was designed for horses.
His death was caused by recreational drugs like coke and ectasy. It seems like he led a rock star lifestyle and in the end his heart said no more, funny enough he died in Thailand.

The trouble with roids is you get hooked onto the look you have when you try them, after your first cycle you will generally blow up and then pretty much lose most of what you gained. So of course you try another cycle and add a different mix, now you are hooked and you feel down when you are off them because you don't have that pumped look.

Personally, I know dudes who have been on them without a break for years. Yes they are jacked but everyone knows they are on juice, which is not the look I ever wanted. The downside is these dudes have serious side effects because they did not give there bodies a break, the worst one being able to sustain an erection. These dudes are in there 20's and need viagra (etc) at all times to perform.

I will say until you have tried it, you cannot imagine how women will respond too you. I have had hot girls simply walk up to me and grab my chest/arms like I was a piece of meat, it gives you a high knowing that no one will fuck with you and all that.

I have been off them for a good while, but they helped me when I plateau'd in the weight room.

[mikeymike]

(04-09-2012 02:08 PM)billy Wrote:  

(04-09-2012 07:11 AM)garygroundwork Wrote:  

i just cant see why young people want to use drugs and put their health at risk and fuck with their endocrine system to get an inch on their arms to try and impress sluts...

when it can be done naturally with good diet and hard training

the part you miss is that it canot be done naturally for many , I wish I had done this 2 years ago as the last years of training for me were a waste if time, why spend so long to achieve nothing when you can do so much in such a short amount of time with some juice. The only positive for me about wating so long was if I had hit the juice earlier I never would have had such a strong incentive to stop smoking and drinking.

what a load of shit. I'm as big a gear advocate as you'll find but in the right hands...the level that guys can achieve naturally will blow your mind and most of us aren't anywhere close...it's not that many cannot do it naturally it's that doing it naturally is hard work, you have to put in huge amounts of time, you have to be meticulous with your diet, you have to get enough rest, you have to learn what makes your body tick and react and adjust accordingly...that's hard...what's not hard is taking enough gear that you can have loads of cheat days, lift light, join your buddies for beers and wings every weekend, and club 3 nights week and achieve in 3-4 months what a natural guy would battle to gain in over a year. It's not that it can't be done but guys don't want to do it. All the whiners I see complaining about being hardgainers meanwhile they're full on 1000 cals a day wondering how they don't get bigger, or the slow metabolism fat boy crowd eating 3 big macs wondering why their hour on the treadmill isn't paying off. If you're not near your potential and you're on gear so be it, to each their own, but at least admit it's cause you wanted a shortcut and not try to fill us with stories of how it just couldn't happen any other way.

[assman]

rudebwoy, thanks for the insights. Always interesting to hear from guys who've been in that scene.

Some first-hand stories: http://www.anabolicsteroids.com/steroidexp.html

[_DC_]

Its my understanding that steroids are still illegal correct?

Is there anything like "baby-steroids" were the gains aren't as good but they also don't eff with your body as much? I know pro-hormones used to be legal but they're illegal now.

[Rocco81]

Being an official meathead most of my life I have seen and been around them a lot. I can maybe answer some of your questions..PM me.

I can say they certainly aren't as bad as the media would tell you. There are some down sides to them and as with anything, if you just go buying up trash from some dude at the gym you might get ripped off or mess up your natural hormonal production (usually this is temporary unless you are a real fucking idiot)