[rudebwoy]

Mikeymike - HGH is a very strong drug, I am not that obsessed to try it but it will transform your body like nothing else. A close friend took it and came of it because of some harsh side-effects, but like other steroids it depends on the quality you get.

Top Rock - you are so right, Steroids is not the problem it is the morons that take it and abuse it. Like anything else you have to do it in moderation, that applies to drinking, smoking, sex etc.

Also there is alot of misinformation here, one cycle will not do much and there are other factors that are just important, which is how you train and diet.

[MikeCF]

(04-13-2012 09:19 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

Mikeymike - HGH is a very strong drug, I am not that obsessed to try it but it will transform your body like nothing else. A close friend took it and came of it because of some harsh side-effects, but like other steroids it depends on the quality you get.

Top Rock - you are so right, Steroids is not the problem it is the morons that take it and abuse it. Like anything else you have to do it in moderation, that applies to drinking, smoking, sex etc.

Also there is alot of misinformation here, one cycle will not do much and there are other factors that are just important, which is how you train and diet.

Serious question: Why do you think you know so much?

Are you a gym rat? I've never seen you post in the training threads.

Based on what you've written, if we met in real life, I would be extremely rude to you and shut you down immediately. If this were my forum, I'd ban you for posting misinformation.

Maybe I'm wrong and missing something.

What background of yours gives you so much insight?

[MikeCF]

(04-13-2012 02:34 PM)mikeymike Wrote:  

(04-12-2012 11:44 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

I would not advocate the use of ALL steroids and people love to talk about taking HGH like it is tylenol. HGH is a very hard chemical on the body and personally something I would not advise.

interesting take how is it hard on the body, I believe it to be better long term on the body, again in moderation than steroids would be.

LMAO!

bro, you are wasting your time.

Ask Rudeboy how many IUs of growth people typically run and for what purposes people run it for.

I 100% guarantee you he doesn't know the difference between an IU and a mg!

[Eliogabalus]

(04-06-2012 02:03 AM)lavidaloca Wrote:  

Steroids make you more susceptible to heart disease and other illnesses. Watch the Man Whose Arms Exploded. Theres no need for them. Everyone can reach an ideal size without them without risking taking years off their lives.

Greg Valentino's arms didn't exploit because of stereoids, not even close. His arms exploded because of excessive synthol abuse, which is far from being steroids but a sort of oil that some sick people use in order to create fake muscles, because the oil keeps the muscles flexed even when the muscle is relaxed

[rudebwoy]

(04-13-2012 10:59 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

(04-13-2012 09:19 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

Mikeymike - HGH is a very strong drug, I am not that obsessed to try it but it will transform your body like nothing else. A close friend took it and came of it because of some harsh side-effects, but like other steroids it depends on the quality you get.

Top Rock - you are so right, Steroids is not the problem it is the morons that take it and abuse it. Like anything else you have to do it in moderation, that applies to drinking, smoking, sex etc.

Also there is alot of misinformation here, one cycle will not do much and there are other factors that are just important, which is how you train and diet.

Serious question: Why do you think you know so much?

Are you a gym rat? I've never seen you post in the training threads.

Based on what you've written, if we met in real life, I would be extremely rude to you and shut you down immediately. If this were my forum, I'd ban you for posting misinformation.

Maybe I'm wrong and missing something.

What background of yours gives you so much insight?

Oh so you want to call me out, I am giving a general opinion based on what I have seen and used. For the record a friend of mine sells the stuff and I train at a meathead gym.

The other gibberish you wrote I won't even acknowledge, you are obviously a keyboard tough guy.

I don't post on the fitness threads because it always turns into how much you lifting, I don't feel the need to show how big my cock is.

[mikeymike]

(04-13-2012 11:01 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

(04-13-2012 02:34 PM)mikeymike Wrote:  

(04-12-2012 11:44 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

I would not advocate the use of ALL steroids and people love to talk about taking HGH like it is tylenol. HGH is a very hard chemical on the body and personally something I would not advise.

interesting take how is it hard on the body, I believe it to be better long term on the body, again in moderation than steroids would be.

LMAO!

bro, you are wasting your time.

Ask Rudeboy how many IUs of growth people typically run and for what purposes people run it for.

I 100% guarantee you he doesn't know the difference between an IU and a mg!

you keep warning me and I keep getting sucked back in...you got willpower bro cause i see some of the info posted and I can't help but start writing then im knee deep in it. Need a 12 step program for this shit.

[MikeCF]

(04-14-2012 04:53 PM)mikeymike Wrote:  

you keep warning me and I keep getting sucked back in...you got willpower bro cause i see some of the info posted and I can't help but start writing then im knee deep in it. Need a 12 step program for this shit.

The extremely ignorant trolls are a huge problem for the board.

You know your stuff...and what is sharing information leading to? More guys shitting on you.

[TopRock]

(04-13-2012 11:12 PM)Eliogabalus Wrote:  

(04-06-2012 02:03 AM)lavidaloca Wrote:  

Steroids make you more susceptible to heart disease and other illnesses. Watch the Man Whose Arms Exploded. Theres no need for them. Everyone can reach an ideal size without them without risking taking years off their lives.

Greg Valentino's arms didn't exploit because of stereoids, not even close. His arms exploded because of excessive synthol abuse, which is far from being steroids but a sort of oil that some sick people use in order to create fake muscles, because the oil keeps the muscles flexed even when the muscle is relaxed

...and this is why you should read t-nation like I told you. Here's an interview with Valentino: (I was trying to post a link but I don't have 10 posts yet, google 'Greg Valentino: The Most Hated Man in Bodybuilding')

What happened to him (youtube 'sterorider (steroids) Greg valentino') was an infected abscess in one of his arms from not following proper sanitary procedures when doing injections (probably a dirty needle). This (and blood poisoning/sepsis) is not uncommon among junkies and steroid users who reuse needles.

I completely believe Valentino when he says he didn't use Synthol. If you look at the photo of him before he started using steroids, his arm is already almost as big as his thigh. He is obviously genetically gifted in that department. I also believe him about the 60 sets for a body part. He probably does more volume for his arms in a single workout than most people here do total in a whole month.

[alecks]

it was synthol,he jokes about it all the time on musculardevelopment.Check the forums.nobodys arms grew that big ever from "site" abscesses,pros get site abscesses all the time in their triceps/delts and glutes but they dont grow insanely huge just slighlty lumpy.have you seen roelly winklaar or phil heaths arms? they are huge and they both use synthol but still not the size of greggs.thats because gregg pumped about 10x times the amount into his arms....as a result,abnormal swelling and fascial tissue grew inside of the muscle and they ballooned up.he looked like shit and always has lol. he gets killed everytime he posts on md because he is a clown.

[Pilgrim37]

Interesting article for all you Juicers on whether the effects of steroids last years after use:

http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/exp...ping_.html

Sorry the links not working..the article's under the sports section in http://www.Slate.com

[Biz]

Wow, I haven't even replied to the thread I started...

In moderation I think a cycle every once in a while could be benifical if done properly, the common problem is the media portrayal of steroids, before the whole baseball/steroids thing who knew about juicing? not the average person...nowadays everyone is an expert, because of 'what they heard'

[Tenerife]

(05-08-2012 11:32 PM)Biz Wrote:  

Wow, I haven't even replied to the thread I started...

In moderation I think a cycle every once in a while could be benifical if done properly,

I am also curious about this.

[Chrysalis]

Lol 4 pages of this thread and no one mentioned a single steroid by name. They vary by strength and side effects, you know, and there are dozens of types.

[iknowexactly]

(04-06-2012 02:08 AM)Lukey Wrote:  

With correct post cycle therapy and hormone management i.e. having a endocrinologist/doctor on side, steroids exhibit a very low risk profile. Going out binge drinking once a week is going to do more damage to your liver than a cycle of sustanon with strict PCT.

@ Biz. Apologies, I read your post the wrong way.

This make sense to me, I assume guys who are trying look really exceptional without the genetics are using very high doses that are more dangerous.

What I don't understand is how you get a doctor to supervise you if you're doing it for aesthetics. I would assume in the USA it would be considered malpractice and they would avoid it.

If I could 2x as jacked with only a 5% increase in heart disease risk, I would consider it. Having more attractive women around more is going to improve some risk factors I imagine.

[Vaun]

deer antler spray? anyone try it?

[dk902]

I just read Anabolics by William Llewelyn.

I thought it was a really good introduction to the topic of which I knew nothing about.

It's grounded in science and clinical studies, so it kind of busts through all the bullshit perpetuated in the media and steroid-haters.

Far from now being a self proclaimed expert on the subject, I do feel as if I'm armed with a little more knowledge after reading the book.

It doesn't advocate for or against, but presents the facts in a clear, logical manner, which is all you can ask for.

[Thehustler]

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[bodmon]

i'm 28. i started lifting a bit over half a year ago. 2 or 3 years from now, once my natty gains have run out, i will consider a cycle.

[Chrysalis]

(07-07-2013 10:52 PM)bodmon Wrote:  

i'm 28. i started lifting a bit over half a year ago. 2 or 3 years from now, once my natty gains have run out, i will consider a cycle.

That's good thinking. I set myself a goal- If I make it a year eating clean (with one cheat meal per week allowed), I'll go on a cycle. I have yet to achieve the goal, and it's been nine years. No point in juicing if you don't eat right.

[Spider]

This may sound silly, but is there any benefit to doing a cycle (or multiple cycles) while on a bodyweight training routine?

I don't lift weights, but I have been doing Convict Conditioning (which I like a lot and have been benefiting from) for the past 4 months.

Would you see gains in size from using Steroids or HGH in conjunction with a bodyweight routine, or mostly just strength gains? ... I know with weightlifting cycling roids can help pack on a lot of muscle...more quickly than just lifting.

I know a couple dudes who have done roids and they all had terrible acne and horrible mood swings - Can responsible steroid use prevent these side effects?

I'm sure this isn't the best forum for steroid inquiries, but if anyone has any deep knowledge/experience, it would be great to hear more.

[PoosyWrecker]

Steroids and side effects aren't all the same, so which ones are you planning to use?

[Spider]

(07-07-2013 11:37 PM)PoosyWrecker Wrote:  

Steroids and side effects aren't all the same, so which ones are you planning to use?

I don't know.

I would need to do a lot more research and talk to experienced users etc. before even thinking about doing it.

I'm more just curious about the subject.

[PoosyWrecker]

This guy used gear, competed and is frank about his steroid use.
Ice Cream Fitness Gear Talk: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLn...ttzQ0iJAMS

[Uzisuicide]

Steroids are not some crazy drug guys. They are for the most part derivatives of Testosterone. The heart of any cycle is a solid dose of testosterone. These are male hormones, nothing more. I've used off and on for 10 years and have had good experiences with their use. Side effects even at high doses of Testosterone are managed through the use of ancillaries like estrogen blockers and aromatase inhibitors. I go to an 'age management' doctor who has performed my hair transplant surgery, botox injections, dermal fillers, etc... This doc also prescribes Testosterone to men to boost their levels.
This type of treatment for men is becoming more and more common as we all age. When I use, I get blood work done to monitor myself and use the proper guards against side effects. You don't need to supplement crazy amounts of male hormones to get the benefits. In fact at some point, more doesn't equal better results just more side effects.
There are legal and responsible ways to use these wonderful compounds and reap amazing benefits from them. Women use female hormones all the time for a variety of reasons including birth control. Female hormone supplementation is encouraged in society while male hormone supplementation is maligned and pushed to the black market in most cases. For me Testosterone helps increases lean muscle mass, burns stomach fat, increases strength and makes me want to bang chicks all day. I also see an increase in confidence and aggressiveness. Not 'attacking people' kind of aggressiveness, just the desire to grab life by the ass and make it my bitch. My quality of life has been greatly increased by Testosterone therapy. I'm by no means a salesman, have no sources to offer and in now way advocate illegal activity on the part of anyone. I'm just sharing my experience.

Uzisuicide

[Chrysalis]

100 mg of Deca_durabolin a week in total of one month is an effective treatment for rahitis in boys age 10. Scaled to a man's size, that would be a mild cycle that would have little to no side effects (a pimple more, some trouble sleeping or a bit higher blood pressure is all) and one could expect 10 lbs of muscle if he is a beginner juicer.

200 mg of testosterone enanthate a week during a year (note, typical cycles are 8-12 weeks) is considered a safe dose in Australia and Canada. In those countries it is legal to use these doses as a contraceptive (steroids shut down your balls, so your body produces no more sperm).

If used responsibly, steroids are way safer than sedatives, painkillers, tobbaco, alcohol, or sugar.