Pretty fucked up. My granddad walks around the block all the time whenever he visits the states...it's fucked up to think that something like this could happen.

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The U.S. police officer, who assaulted an Indian man in Alabama to the state of paralyzing him, was arrested Thursday on charges of assault. Sureshbhai Patel, the 57-year-old victim, reportedly filed a civil rights complaint on Thursday, suing the city and two officers.

Police officials in Alabama have apologized to Patel’s family and said that the incident is being investigated, including by the FBI. The federal probe results will be sent to the U.S. Department of Justice, Reuters reported, citing an Alabama FBI spokesperson. The U.S. Department of State also expressed regret at the incident and spokesperson Jen Psaki said the department was ready to address any concerns.

The case comes as U.S. police officials are being increasingly criticized for using excessive force, amid months of anti-police protests after the deaths of Michael Brown and Eric Garner in Missouri and New York, respectively.

“Our hearts go out to him and to his family. Obviously, there’ll be an investigation into this case which will be handled by local authorities,” Psaki said in a briefing Thursday, adding: “The Secretary and the State Department certainly express our strong condolences to the family for everything that he has been through. This is being handled by local authorities, and certainly, we would address any concerns through private diplomatic channels.”

Patel had reached northern Alabama about two weeks back to help his son’s family to take care of their 17-month-old child. He was walking outside his son’s house at 9 a.m., last Friday, when police officers approached him, after receiving a call from a neighbor who said the man looked suspicious. The officers reportedly asked Patel for more details such as his name, identity, and address. Patel had said, "No English, Indian," and pointed a finger toward his son’s house, a video released by Madison City Police Chief Larry Muncey showed, according to the Hindustan Times, an Indian newspaper. Eric Parker, one of the police officers, soon violently threw him to the ground, face first, and threatened him not to escape.

Muncey said Thursday, according to The Hindu, an Indian national daily, that he “recommended that Parker be fired for his use of force against a man, who committed no crime, did not speak English and could not understand the commands.”

“I found that officer Eric Parker's actions did not meet the high standards and expectations of the Madison City Police Department,” Muncey reportedly said.

Patel had to undergo surgery to relieve pressure on his spinal cord, after the accident, Reuters reported, adding that he was recovering but his legs were still weak. “I just can’t believe what they did to this very gentle man who wanted nothing more than to go out for a walk,” Henry Sherrod, Patel’s lawyer told Reuters.

Clearly not a Mike Brown-esque scenario. The suspect in question was literally doing nothing wrong at all. Pieces of garbage, both the asshat who called 9-11 and the officers who crippled a defenseless old man.

Quote: (02-14-2015 05:07 AM)Agastya Wrote:  

....the asshat who called 9-11....

One of the responsibilities in the part-time job I worked during university was responding to requests for service and concerns about safety on my school campus.

When I was working during a Christmas vacation period, we got a call about a suspicious person who was on foot near a certain building.

There was absolutely nothing to do, because the campus was virtually completely deserted, so I and the other two members of our staff that day approached the building to see if anyone suspicious was hanging around.

We ran into an off-duty member of our staff, who was waiting for a friend to pick him and we asked him if he had seen anyone suspicious in the area. He hadn't. Then it dawned on us. He was black.

Incidentally, the only person working in that area of our campus that day was the university chaplain. I'm guessing she was probably busy preparing a sermon on social justice or loving everyone.

The thread title makes it sound like he paralyzed his own grandfather!

But seriously, adding to Suits' point, there are loads of 'social justice' scumbags who call the police on the very people they so vehemently praise and ass lick.

Video here: http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2015/02...ed_stories

It looks like his partner was taken by surprise by the violent takedown of the grandfather. The whole episode is bizarre.

The officer has been charged with misdemeanor assault.

Quote: (02-14-2015 05:07 AM)Agastya Wrote:  

“I found that officer Eric Parker's actions did not meet the high standards and expectations of the Madison City Police Department,” Muncey reportedly said.

I used to have high standard expectations about the police when I was a kid too, until I came to the US and realized that the police here had become a military force filled with either thugs, idiots, racist pricks or sociopaths who became policemen to be able to bully anyone they want without facing any consequences and who are more concerned about installing fear in people then with protecting them.

The police aren't always looking to bully citizens. Sometimes they're only looking to hand out trumped up fines that pay for a quarter of their city's budget.

I saw the video on the news. I was pretty shocked. I mean he got slammed so hard. How did he possibly look like a danger? What could have triggered such a disproportionate response? Was it just a power thing? You disobey me and I'll punish you? Heard something on the news that back in the 50s or 60s a black man was lynched because he didn't properly address an officer. I think he was supposed to say sir or Mr. Forgot which. Really?

Edit: to be fair we often hear about the bad cops. Rarely the good ones. Usually on my hear about the good ones because they were shot in the line of duty like that cop responding to a shooting at a Sikh temple a.couple years ago.

There are a ton of Indians in that part of Alabama. The idea that this guy wasn't used to dealing with foreigners seems unlikely.

Also to the op we don't use bullshit words like "asshat" around here. We also don't say "wow just wow" or "what the actual fuck"?

I hope there's a good chance these scumbags will be brought to justice.

Quote: (02-14-2015 12:38 PM)TheWastelander Wrote:  

I hope there's a good chance these scumbags will be brought to justice.

There isn't.

Quote: (02-14-2015 12:38 PM)TheWastelander Wrote:  

I hope there's a good chance these scumbags will be brought to justice.

Not happening.
I like the way Ice-T said it:

$1000 bail for paralyzing someone.

That really is not a strong deterrent.

If you actually go on police blogs though and talk to cops... There this attitude that America is just on the brink of destruction, and that if they don't lay down the law, immediately and hard, society will blow up. What also is happening is that police departments are hiring vets who haven't been treated for PTSD and such. As well, you really do see the deregs of society, and unfortunately, they're more likely to be minorities, which actually MAKES the police racist. It's a terrible mix.

Quote: (02-14-2015 12:36 PM)Fisto Wrote:  

Also to the op we don't use bullshit words like "asshat" around here. We also don't say "wow just wow" or "what the actual fuck"?

No need to be patronizing. It's a matter I feel strongly about, since I also have an Indian grandfather who likes to walk around the neighborhood. Not like I called the dude a cishet shitlord.

"If you actually go on police blogs though and talk to cops... There this attitude that America is just on the brink of destruction, and that if they don't lay down the law, immediately and hard, society will blow up. "

I think liberal white boomers have the same belief, they just don't vocalize it. They may not even be consciously aware of it. The thinking goes, roughly, that the cops aren't always great, but without them there would be an immediate and complete descent into lawlesness. Which would be somewhat accurate, when the law forbids effective self defense with its restrictions on gun ownership.

Political moderates in general put obeying the government far above anything else - because they don't really have any principles to begin with. They're just reeds swaying in the winds of other's convictions. Where they do disagree with the government's stance on a procedural issue, they will always advocate working within the system, instead of something more subversive, like jury nullification.

Quote: (02-14-2015 06:44 AM)Basil Ransom Wrote:  

The officer has been charged with misdemeanor assault.

Is that another word for "slap on the hand?" I think so.

As fucked up as it is, the truth is that middle eastern/arab looking or brown people in general end up getting some hate just for being around. If I were white, there probably wouldn't have been as much hate for me in the fairly backward area that I grew up in. Unfortunate as it is, I still watch my back when I'm at places like this. And I've been to Mobile, Alabama and Biloxi, Missisisppi. I was once dancing with a blonde girl in Biloxi and a bunch of white guys there were circling me like a pack of hyenas. That was until a few of my big ass white friends came up next to me and represented. They didn't like that and went off.

We do talk a lot about "just be a man" and "improve yourself" and "don't worry about race" etc. But, the truth is shit like this happens EXTERNAL to that and no amount of disinterested people saying "don't worry" will make it go away. There are a lot of minorities that keep their mouth shut because they don't want to cause a scene and upset the "man." They have no control and the truth is, this shit is real. Some guy just shot 3 people in NC (2 women) because they were all muslim. Otherwise, that conflict was over a fucking parking space.

And I'll say it that guy is in fact an asshat. Fisto, I have no idea why you think that word shouldn't be used etc. There are members here that go way off the wall further than that. I think you were joking though, and that's cool.

^Misdemeanor assault gets you about 6 months around here. If he goes to jail he will be punished by other inmates if he doesn't go into protective custody (which he will.)

He'll almost certainly get off scott free though.

He should be charged with mayhem. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayhem_%28crime%29

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Modern statutes in the U.S. define mayhem as disabling, disfiguring, such as rendering useless a member of another person's arms or legs. Cal. Pen. Code Sec. 203 The injury must be permanent, not just a temporary loss. Some courts will hold even a minor battery as mayhem if the injury is not minor. Mayhem in the U.S. is a felony.[3]

Quote: (02-14-2015 03:37 PM)Cobra Wrote:  

Some guy just shot 3 people in NC (2 women) because they were all muslim. Otherwise, that conflict was over a fucking parking space.

Were the France and Denmark shootings racist too, then?

Believe it or not, the US is not the only place in the world with race and class conflicts. In fact, we're basically the most politically correct multicultural country on the face of the planet.

OP is right. This is a totally fucked-up outrage.

I saw this story a few days ago. And the first think I thought was: what sort of fucked-up cunt of a civilian calls the police to complain about an elderly Indian man walking on a sidewalk?

This incident shows just how stupid and ignorant the average American is. The sight of a "Middle Eastern" looking man is enough to rouse suspicions in the average fat suburban American shithead.

In their minds: "Oh my God! There's a foreign looking man walking around alone! Somebody help me! I saw on Fox News that all these A-rabs are coming to get us!"

And of course, nowadays, walking itself is seen as worthy of suspicion. Since the average idiot American never walks anywhere, they find it hard to believe that anyone else might walk just for the sake of walking.

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It only takes one person to report, so that's hardly an average.

"And of course, nowadays, walking itself is seen as worthy of suspicion. Since the average idiot American never walks anywhere, they find it hard to believe that anyone else might walk just for the sake of walking. "

Yes, in a place designed only for getting around by car, walking is an abomination. It garners by turn derision and violent suspicion.

Indian people get some of the worst racism in America. This is because unlike the Black and Latino populations, there is no "Indian lobby". It is therefore okay to be racist to them, and there is no big uproar. It is okay to fire an Indian man. There is no affirmative action for us. In fact there is negative affirmative action because there are too many capable Indians around. Even East asians to an extent do not have a lobby, but atleast they have been around here for enough generations that they have integrated well enough into the population, and know how American society works.. Plus they do not have to suffer being mistaken for "Arab terrorists".

It is unfortunate that you see more Indian feminists coming out because of this [like Anil Dash, Tikko, or whomever we have discussed on this forum], but the point is that racism is real.

Quote: (02-14-2015 03:45 PM)Ziltoid Wrote:  

Quote: (02-14-2015 03:37 PM)Cobra Wrote:  

Some guy just shot 3 people in NC (2 women) because they were all muslim. Otherwise, that conflict was over a fucking parking space.

Were the France and Denmark shootings racist too, then?

Believe it or not, the US is not the only place in the world with race and class conflicts. In fact, we're basically the most politically correct multicultural country on the face of the planet.

I'm interested in what type of experiences you've had because I'm not sure what you're trying to say. Have you ever stood out in a group of people where your practices and personality were much different from the collective group? How were your experiences?

Honestly, I appreciate your effort trying to place the context away from race and citing the more universal or empirical view of killings. Because, yes it's not just racial. There are factors much beyond race in regards to the perpetrators, like stupidity and possible psychological issues. Truth is though, I live in the US and it's personal to me; as such, I am not concerned as much about the universality of it all. Why? Because, this shit could happen to me or my relatives. My grandfather isn't alive anymore but I have uncles that walk down the street and live in the south. Should I still try to rationalize why "it's racially motivated" before I tell them not to walk around white neighborhoods that are empty? I don't think so because I'd rather have them alive.

It happened during 9-11. It happened later. I actually served in the US military with honorable discharge. However, without my uniform now or my discharge certificate, to some people (not all), I could be a terrorist. I say this because I have been called one before, and yes it's made me angry I'll admit. Guess I'm lucky I didn't get shot instead.

Quote: (02-14-2015 04:21 PM)Cobra Wrote:  

Have you ever stood out in a group of people where your practices and personality were much different from the collective group? How were your experiences?

You're asking that of a person that posts on a red pill website... What do you think the answer is, honestly?

As to the rest of your post, I'd be happy to address it as soon as you justify why you felt qualified to conclude that some random nutcase shooting people over a parking spot dispute automatically qualified as an anti-Muslim hate crime.

Police in this country harass, beat, and murder people fairly indiscriminate of their skin color; the ultimate offense is "contempt of cop", and being white sure as fuck wont save you from it. Only real racial difference is that if it's caught on camera and publicized there is a much smaller chance of it being a big deal if the victim is white.

"People as uninformed and as gullible as Americans have no future. Americans are a dead people that history is about to run over." - Paul Craig Roberts

Quote: (02-14-2015 04:38 PM)Ziltoid Wrote:  

You're asking that of a person that posts on a red pill website... What do you think the answer is, honestly?

Honestly I don't know that answer man. That's why I asked. I certainly don't mean any offense from it. Just genuinely curious. I mean just like you, I also post on a red pill website. That's not the question. And come on, I'm not talking about us on a keyboard or website. I'm asking about the physical and social world and the experiences within it.

Quote: (02-14-2015 04:38 PM)Ziltoid Wrote:  

As to the rest of your post, I'd be happy to address it as soon as you justify why you felt qualified to conclude that some random nutcase shooting people over a parking spot dispute automatically qualified as an anti-Muslim hate crime.

I'm sure as heck not qualified to conclude on the merits of why this or anything else is a hate crime, let alone automatically. That's missing the point. But, yes I think we both agree that hate was involved.

Truth is I take it personally because there is a pattern that I am familiar with. I have seen the pattern and have been involved in patterns. So I just see myself qualified to take it personally enough that I would want to protect my family and friends that are "more likely" to fall within this pattern. That's about it. Should I take it so personally? That's the real question. Tough when there is such a pattern.

And you don't need to address anything. I'm not asking you to. I was asking if you had similar experiences on being involved in an altercation such as this. If you didn't you have nothing to answer to. However, then you have to admit that credibility comes into the picture. Again, to reiterate, no offense; you appear to be on your way already to be a well repped member that knows his shit and I respect that.

Quote: (02-14-2015 04:38 PM)Ziltoid Wrote:  

Police in this country harass, beat, and murder people fairly indiscriminate of their skin color; the ultimate offense is "contempt of cop", and being white sure as fuck wont save you from it. Only real racial difference is that if it's caught on camera and publicized there is a much smaller chance of it being a big deal if the victim is white.

Are you sure about that? Again, how do you know if you aren't different from the pack? Hence my initial question to you.

Yes, of course there is a small chance of it being a big deal if the victim is white. Because the media knows that doesn't sell. But, I'm not talking about the resulting "big deal" as much as the motivation behind the crime. Races are in a different category of indicators; people in different races act different, have different ways to communicate and express themselves. So it doesn't need to be just skin color. It could be way of dress, accent or even the way they smell. People that commit these crimes usually are not used to the different types of communication from different people (race, or ethnic or even nationality). They are dickheads anyways and a lot of these guys tend to have extreme views (racist or otherwise).

To say these guys are "indiscriminate" given some of their profiles of being bullies and fairly socially maladjusted is a stretch man. Huge one if you ask me. No one is indiscriminate. Socially adjusted people just know how to use their understanding of difference to further fuel their social ability. The maladjusted ones are already hateful fucks that use their discrimination as a motivation to fuel this hate into rage that results in violence. Their demeanor and body language give that away fairly easily.