[cibo]

Just a couple of weeks ago I was walking around at 11pm-12AM area with my dad coming back from starbucks on sunday. I'm asian and Dad's an older white guy living in a safe and quiet part of town. A cop car comes up to us and shines a light in directly in our eyes with the police car search light. I'm like "what the fuck?" since that shit is fucking bright. The cop immediately stops next to us and a cop jumps out of the car, rushes right at me and is about to throw my ass down on the pavement when my dad starts to calm the cop down.

The cop then talks about burglars around the neighborhood that match our exact description [bullshit]. He then starts going on about how we should be grateful and respect the work that he and the other cops are doing. Then throws in a i'm drunk and I need to be taken home. I almost cussed him out but stopped myself since it was going to be more trouble than its worth.

This is the shit americans have to put up with.

[Ziltoid]

(02-14-2015 05:34 PM)Cobra Wrote:  

(02-14-2015 04:38 PM)Ziltoid Wrote:  

You're asking that of a person that posts on a red pill website... What do you think the answer is, honestly?

Honestly I don't know that answer man. That's why I asked. I certainly don't mean any offense from it. Just genuinely curious. I mean just like you, I also post on a red pill website. That's not the question. And come on, I'm not talking about us on a keyboard or website. I'm asking about the physical and social world and the experiences within it.

The answer is yes.

(02-14-2015 05:34 PM)Cobra Wrote:  

(02-14-2015 04:38 PM)Ziltoid Wrote:  

As to the rest of your post, I'd be happy to address it as soon as you justify why you felt qualified to conclude that some random nutcase shooting people over a parking spot dispute automatically qualified as an anti-Muslim hate crime.

I'm sure as heck not qualified to conclude on the merits of why this or anything else is a hate crime, let alone automatically. That's missing the point. But, yes I think we both agree that hate was involved.

Truth is I take it personally because there is a pattern that I am familiar with. I have seen the pattern and have been involved in patterns. So I just see myself qualified to take it personally enough that I would want to protect my family and friends that are "more likely" to fall within this pattern. That's about it. Should I take it so personally? That's the real question. Tough when there is such a pattern.

And you don't need to address anything. I'm not asking you to. I was asking if you had similar experiences on being involved in an altercation such as this. If you didn't you have nothing to answer to. However, then you have to admit that credibility comes into the picture. Again, to reiterate, no offense; you appear to be on your way already to be a well repped member that knows his shit and I respect that.

You were not unclear in your wording. "...because they were all muslim..." Do you stand by that or do you not? You claim to somehow know what this man's motivations were?
It has since come out that he was at least tepidly an SPLC supporter, and liberal-leaning politically. Two affiliations that are vehemently (borderline absurdly) pro-Muslim. Again, all of this is still irrelevant?

(02-14-2015 05:34 PM)Cobra Wrote:  

(02-14-2015 04:38 PM)Ziltoid Wrote:  

Police in this country harass, beat, and murder people fairly indiscriminate of their skin color; the ultimate offense is "contempt of cop", and being white sure as fuck wont save you from it. Only real racial difference is that if it's caught on camera and publicized there is a much smaller chance of it being a big deal if the victim is white.

Are you sure about that? Again, how do you know if you aren't different from the pack? Hence my initial question to you.

Yes, of course there is a small chance of it being a big deal if the victim is white. Because the media knows that doesn't sell. But, I'm not talking about the resulting "big deal" as much as the motivation behind the crime. Races are in a different category of indicators; people in different races act different, have different ways to communicate and express themselves. So it doesn't need to be just skin color. It could be way of dress, accent or even the way they smell. People that commit these crimes usually are not used to the different types of communication from different people (race, or ethnic or even nationality). They are dickheads anyways and a lot of these guys tend to have extreme views (racist or otherwise).

To say these guys are "indiscriminate" given some of their profiles of being bullies and fairly socially maladjusted is a stretch man. Huge one if you ask me. No one is indiscriminate. Socially adjusted people just know how to use their understanding of difference to further fuel their social ability. The maladjusted ones are already hateful fucks that use their discrimination as a motivation to fuel this hate into rage that results in violence. Their demeanor and body language give that away fairly easily.

This guy's misfortune may have been in being a few shades dark enough to have some bored hen call the police on him, but beyond that, his ethnicity was irrelevant. He spoke poor English and his confusion was mistaken as non-compliance by the retarded police officers in question. He could have been Mexican or Polish or Norwegian, his "crime" was attempting to walk away whilst being interrogated for doing absolutely nothing wrong.

I'm not remotely on the side of the police in this scenario, but I think it's bullshit you're trying to play the race card.

[Peregrine]

(02-14-2015 06:05 PM)cibo Wrote:  

Just a couple of weeks ago I was walking around at 11pm-12AM area with my dad coming back from starbucks on sunday. I'm asian and Dad's an older white guy living in a safe and quiet part of town. A cop car comes up to us and shines a light in directly in our eyes with the police car search light. I'm like "what the fuck?" since that shit is fucking bright. The cop immediately stops next to us and a cop jumps out of the ca,r rushes right at me and is about to throw my ass down on the pavement when my dad starts to calm the cop down.

The cop then talks about burgles around the neighborhood that match our exact description [bullshit]. He then starts going on about how we should be grateful and respect the work that he and the other cops are doing. Then throws in a i'm drunk and I need to be taken home. I almost cussed him out but stopped myself since it was going to be more trouble than its worth.

This is the shit americans have to put up with.

In the same time period, more people have been killed by cops in America than US soldiers by enemies in the Iraq War.

[Foolsgo1d]

(02-14-2015 03:45 PM)Ziltoid Wrote:  

(02-14-2015 03:37 PM)Cobra Wrote:  

Some guy just shot 3 people in NC (2 women) because they were all muslim. Otherwise, that conflict was over a fucking parking space.

Were the France and Denmark shootings racist too, then?

Believe it or not, the US is not the only place in the world with race and class conflicts. In fact, we're basically the most politically correct multicultural country on the face of the planet.

The United States is one of the worst countries when it comes to racial and political strife.

You should be ashamed to be even considered a developed country with the amount of white, black, [insert race/creed here] hate crime.

The only parallels in other developed countries which match the US on these issues are isolated, backward numbskulls who deserve to be thrown out with the trash.

Only in really rough, shithead areas can a man of different race/religion/ethnicity walk into a bar or down a street and end up dead.

[TonySandos]

(02-14-2015 01:59 PM)Tytalus Wrote:  

If you actually go on police blogs though and talk to cops... There this attitude that America is just on the brink of destruction, and that if they don't lay down the law, immediately and hard, society will blow up. What also is happening is that police departments are hiring vets who haven't been treated for PTSD and such. As well, you really do see the deregs of society, and unfortunately, they're more likely to be minorities, which actually MAKES the police racist. It's a terrible mix.

You're showing a lack of understanding of PTSD and drawing a "sounds good" corellation of vets to general police brutality.

Violent reaction caused by PTSD is usually a defensive reaction, not a generalized anger as the mass media or other ill informed sources try to portray. Nothing can make a person racist either. That's the same mode of thinking that allows apologetics for excuses of aimless, racially oppressive actions like pulling black men behind trucks. Those people know well what they're doing and it's not a inevitable epidemiological response to greaviant situations.

I find your assertion reckless.

[Ziltoid]

(02-14-2015 06:34 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  

Only in really rough, shithead areas can a man of different race/religion/ethnicity walk into a bar or down a street and end up dead.

What the fuck are you talking about? Where in the US does this happen on the regular? I've been to a lot of divebars in a lot of backwards areas at a lot of alcohol and testosterone fueled concerts, and even in my fairly homogeneously white midwestern homebase seen different ethnicities mix and mingle with absolutely zero problem.

You are talking out of your ass.

You can look up the statistics and educate yourself if you want; the preponderance of all violent crime in this country is committed by people of like ethnicity against one another.

[cibo]

I don't think cops are racists. They are just shit heads to everyone.

[Duke Castile]

(02-14-2015 04:21 PM)Cobra Wrote:  

(02-14-2015 03:45 PM)Ziltoid Wrote:  

(02-14-2015 03:37 PM)Cobra Wrote:  

Some guy just shot 3 people in NC (2 women) because they were all muslim. Otherwise, that conflict was over a fucking parking space.

Were the France and Denmark shootings racist too, then?

Believe it or not, the US is not the only place in the world with race and class conflicts. In fact, we're basically the most politically correct multicultural country on the face of the planet.

I'm interested in what type of experiences you've had because I'm not sure what you're trying to say. Have you ever stood out in a group of people where your practices and personality were much different from the collective group? How were your experiences?

Honestly, I appreciate your effort trying to place the context away from race and citing the more universal or empirical view of killings. Because, yes it's not just racial. There are factors much beyond race in regards to the perpetrators, like stupidity and possible psychological issues. Truth is though, I live in the US and it's personal to me; as such, I am not concerned as much about the universality of it all. Why? Because, this shit could happen to me or my relatives. My grandfather isn't alive anymore but I have uncles that walk down the street and live in the south. Should I still try to rationalize why "it's racially motivated" before I tell them not to walk around white neighborhoods that are empty? I don't think so because I'd rather have them alive.

It happened during 9-11. It happened later. I actually served in the US military with honorable discharge. However, without my uniform now or my discharge certificate, to some people (not all), I could be a terrorist. I say this because I have been called one before, and yes it's made me angry I'll admit. Guess I'm lucky I didn't get shot instead.

I've already said there is a huge Indian population in that area. All of your bellyaching about how oppressed you are isn't relevant here.

Indians there tell their whole families that it's a good place for them to move.

My father is even married to an Indian woman there.

You just want to play the victim all day Cobra.

This is IRT all over again.

[Cobra]

(02-14-2015 06:10 PM)Ziltoid Wrote:  

(02-14-2015 05:34 PM)Cobra Wrote:  

(02-14-2015 04:38 PM)Ziltoid Wrote:  

You're asking that of a person that posts on a red pill website... What do you think the answer is, honestly?

Honestly I don't know that answer man. That's why I asked. I certainly don't mean any offense from it. Just genuinely curious. I mean just like you, I also post on a red pill website. That's not the question. And come on, I'm not talking about us on a keyboard or website. I'm asking about the physical and social world and the experiences within it.

The answer is yes.

Vague and you don't want to answer but okay.

(02-14-2015 06:10 PM)Ziltoid Wrote:  

(02-14-2015 05:34 PM)Cobra Wrote:  

(02-14-2015 04:38 PM)Ziltoid Wrote:  

As to the rest of your post, I'd be happy to address it as soon as you justify why you felt qualified to conclude that some random nutcase shooting people over a parking spot dispute automatically qualified as an anti-Muslim hate crime.

I'm sure as heck not qualified to conclude on the merits of why this or anything else is a hate crime, let alone automatically. That's missing the point. But, yes I think we both agree that hate was involved.

Truth is I take it personally because there is a pattern that I am familiar with. I have seen the pattern and have been involved in patterns. So I just see myself qualified to take it personally enough that I would want to protect my family and friends that are "more likely" to fall within this pattern. That's about it. Should I take it so personally? That's the real question. Tough when there is such a pattern.

And you don't need to address anything. I'm not asking you to. I was asking if you had similar experiences on being involved in an altercation such as this. If you didn't you have nothing to answer to. However, then you have to admit that credibility comes into the picture. Again, to reiterate, no offense; you appear to be on your way already to be a well repped member that knows his shit and I respect that.

You were not unclear in your wording. "...because they were all muslim..." Do you stand by that or do you not? You claim to somehow know what this man's motivations were?
It has since come out that he was at least tepidly an SPLC supporter, and liberal-leaning politically. Two affiliations that are vehemently (borderline absurdly) pro-Muslim. Again, all of this is still irrelevant?

This is shit I didn't know. And I'm man enough to admit I took it personally. But are you done making your point? Or do you want to continue beating it to death. Yes, I get it but it's still got a chance to be somewhat relevant. Just because of his affiliations to a group that was "pro-muslim," there is no chance that he was motivated by that? Okay.

(02-14-2015 06:10 PM)Ziltoid Wrote:  

(02-14-2015 05:34 PM)Cobra Wrote:  

(02-14-2015 04:38 PM)Ziltoid Wrote:  

Police in this country harass, beat, and murder people fairly indiscriminate of their skin color; the ultimate offense is "contempt of cop", and being white sure as fuck wont save you from it. Only real racial difference is that if it's caught on camera and publicized there is a much smaller chance of it being a big deal if the victim is white.

Are you sure about that? Again, how do you know if you aren't different from the pack? Hence my initial question to you.

Yes, of course there is a small chance of it being a big deal if the victim is white. Because the media knows that doesn't sell. But, I'm not talking about the resulting "big deal" as much as the motivation behind the crime. Races are in a different category of indicators; people in different races act different, have different ways to communicate and express themselves. So it doesn't need to be just skin color. It could be way of dress, accent or even the way they smell. People that commit these crimes usually are not used to the different types of communication from different people (race, or ethnic or even nationality). They are dickheads anyways and a lot of these guys tend to have extreme views (racist or otherwise).

To say these guys are "indiscriminate" given some of their profiles of being bullies and fairly socially maladjusted is a stretch man. Huge one if you ask me. No one is indiscriminate. Socially adjusted people just know how to use their understanding of difference to further fuel their social ability. The maladjusted ones are already hateful fucks that use their discrimination as a motivation to fuel this hate into rage that results in violence. Their demeanor and body language give that away fairly easily.

This guy's misfortune may have been in being a few shades dark enough to have some bored hen call the police on him, but beyond that, his ethnicity was irrelevant. He spoke poor English and his confusion was mistaken as non-compliance by the retarded police officers in question. He could have been Mexican or Polish or Norwegian, his "crime" was attempting to walk away whilst being interrogated for doing absolutely nothing wrong.

I'm not remotely on the side of the police in this scenario, but I think it's bullshit you're trying to play the race card.

No, re-read my post. I don't buy that it's totally irrelevant. He's communicating differently and he looks different. That's two cues that a retarded police officer may not read, instead of maybe one. Are you done proving it's not relevant?

[Cobra]

(02-14-2015 08:02 PM)Fisto Wrote:  

(02-14-2015 04:21 PM)Cobra Wrote:  

(02-14-2015 03:45 PM)Ziltoid Wrote:  

(02-14-2015 03:37 PM)Cobra Wrote:  

Some guy just shot 3 people in NC (2 women) because they were all muslim. Otherwise, that conflict was over a fucking parking space.

Were the France and Denmark shootings racist too, then?

Believe it or not, the US is not the only place in the world with race and class conflicts. In fact, we're basically the most politically correct multicultural country on the face of the planet.

I'm interested in what type of experiences you've had because I'm not sure what you're trying to say. Have you ever stood out in a group of people where your practices and personality were much different from the collective group? How were your experiences?

Honestly, I appreciate your effort trying to place the context away from race and citing the more universal or empirical view of killings. Because, yes it's not just racial. There are factors much beyond race in regards to the perpetrators, like stupidity and possible psychological issues. Truth is though, I live in the US and it's personal to me; as such, I am not concerned as much about the universality of it all. Why? Because, this shit could happen to me or my relatives. My grandfather isn't alive anymore but I have uncles that walk down the street and live in the south. Should I still try to rationalize why "it's racially motivated" before I tell them not to walk around white neighborhoods that are empty? I don't think so because I'd rather have them alive.

It happened during 9-11. It happened later. I actually served in the US military with honorable discharge. However, without my uniform now or my discharge certificate, to some people (not all), I could be a terrorist. I say this because I have been called one before, and yes it's made me angry I'll admit. Guess I'm lucky I didn't get shot instead.

I've already said there is a huge Indian population in that area. All of your bellyaching about how oppressed you are isn't relevant here.

Indians there tell their whole families that it's a good place for them to move.

My father is even married to an Indian woman there.

You just want to play the victim all day Cobra.

This is IRT all over again.

Relax, no one is bellyaching about how oppressed they are. I'm not saying there aren't other factors but there are two factions. One where you guys claim there is nothing related to race and the other where people are saying it's relevant. Both are valid I think; and the only reason each stick to their own view point is because of personal opinions. I know that my opinion is based on facts but again I admit maybe I am in fact going a bit over the top. I love when the majority that didn't experience certain issues scream that it doesn't exist and people that disagree are victims and race trolls when they haven't experienced any of it. It's not only a marginal issue for most of us on the forum, but also just a disagreement guys, not some race war. We can discuss it like adults or accuse each other.

You're sticking to the former Fisto and that's cool but really, IRT and victim card both? Accusations like that are quite a stretch to someone that's been on the forum a while and added value. Come on. Is there really a need for that?

I'll admit I've added less value than you, but I earned what I have as far as respect on the forum. At least that's enough to express my opinion and not be called IRT just because I'm Indian and disagreed with some people. Shit, I still read your stuff and enjoy it but I'm sure you don't know enough about me before you threw that out there. And you sir threw the ball low. I'll catch it but won't stoop to return it so low back to you brother. Peace.

[Foolsgo1d]

(02-14-2015 06:45 PM)Ziltoid Wrote:  

(02-14-2015 06:34 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  

Only in really rough, shithead areas can a man of different race/religion/ethnicity walk into a bar or down a street and end up dead.

What the fuck are you talking about? Where in the US does this happen on the regular? I've been to a lot of divebars in a lot of backwards areas at a lot of alcohol and testosterone fueled concerts, and even in my fairly homogeneously white midwestern homebase seen different ethnicities mix and mingle with absolutely zero problem.

You are talking out of your ass.

You can look up the statistics and educate yourself if you want; the preponderance of all violent crime in this country is committed by people of like ethnicity against one another.

Funny how you spout about talking out my ass. The death rate of the USA as a first world country is astronomical.

You might not see it but it is there just waiting to pop up. If you say there are very little problems then why do things escalate so quickly? In the UK and Europe I haven't seen such situations occuring unless it is done by extreme ideologists in a pressure-cooker scenario.

Regardless of statistics making it the black-on-black crime, the US is fundamentally a race-ridden country.

[Professor Fox]

TTAG Wrote:

“Washington state police are investigating a video uploaded to YouTube that captures the death of a man shot repeatedly by police. The video, taken by a bystander, surfaced Wednesday, a day after the Tuesday shooting death of Antonio Zambrano-Montes, 35.” That’s from arstechnica.com. What started the confrontation isn’t clear, but Zambrano-Montes had apparently thrown rocks at the officers from the Pasco, Washington Police Department, striking two of them . . .

Quote:

“Fleeing from police and not following an officer’s command should not be sufficient for a person to get shot. Lethal force should be used only as an absolute last resort,” said Kathleen Taylor, the ACLU executive director of Washington. “Police need to understand how to de-escalate confrontations and use force only as necessary.”

While not capturing the entire incident, the video doesn’t appear to paint the officers actions in a favorable light. All three have been put on leave and Pasco Chief Bob Metzger has begun an investigation into the shooting. Whether this turns into a full Michael Brown/Eric Garner situation remains to be seen.

[Agastya]

(02-14-2015 08:02 PM)Fisto Wrote:  

I've already said there is a huge Indian population in that area. All of your bellyaching about how oppressed you are isn't relevant here.

Indians there tell their whole families that it's a good place for them to move.

My father is even married to an Indian woman there.

You just want to play the victim all day Cobra.

This is IRT all over again.

Fuck that. Indians face very little institutional discrimination, sure, but there are plenty of people out there with a violent animosity towards brown people in general. The average American has the IQ of a peanut, and many see zero difference between an Indian dude and a radical Islamist from Afghanistan. Indians in New Jersey were targeted for abuse and assault throughout the 1980's, and very recently some white nationalist nutjob shot up a Sikh temple in Wisconsin. On a social level, people generally see Indians as a minority who are acceptable to mock (this forum is a good example of this). We aren't oppressed, I'll never have to deal with the metric ton of shit that many black guys have to deal with, for example, but we still do face some degree of social animosity.

If calling these things out makes you an "IRT", then what does calling out discrimination against men make you? If Cobra's a race troll for pointing out that there are, in fact, race related problems faced by Indians, what does that make the multitude who decry the defamation of white men in the media?

[Ziltoid]

(02-15-2015 05:55 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  

(02-14-2015 06:45 PM)Ziltoid Wrote:  

(02-14-2015 06:34 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  

Only in really rough, shithead areas can a man of different race/religion/ethnicity walk into a bar or down a street and end up dead.

What the fuck are you talking about? Where in the US does this happen on the regular? I've been to a lot of divebars in a lot of backwards areas at a lot of alcohol and testosterone fueled concerts, and even in my fairly homogeneously white midwestern homebase seen different ethnicities mix and mingle with absolutely zero problem.

You are talking out of your ass.

You can look up the statistics and educate yourself if you want; the preponderance of all violent crime in this country is committed by people of like ethnicity against one another.

Funny how you spout about talking out my ass. The death rate of the USA as a first world country is astronomical.

You might not see it but it is there just waiting to pop up. If you say there are very little problems then why do things escalate so quickly? In the UK and Europe I haven't seen such situations occuring unless it is done by extreme ideologists in a pressure-cooker scenario.

Regardless of statistics making it the black-on-black crime, the US is fundamentally a race-ridden country.

TL;DR you have no idea what you're talking about and won't admit you're wrong despite hard numbers not being on your side. People in America are not routinely killed because they're in the wrong place or among the wrong company, that is a stunningly ignorant statement.

Black on black crime isn't even what I was referring to. Most of all crime is committed by people from the same communities against one another... If a white guy is assaulted, it's most likely that another white guy assaulted him. Applies to any race or other collective; people generally commit crimes against and get into altercations with their neighbors and peers. I have no idea where your fantasy version of America where people are constantly lynched came from. Watching too many movies lately dude?

Your apparently beloved UK, by the way, has a higher violent crime rate then the US does. Only reason the death rate is lower is the UK lacks the gang violence we have here.
Bored UK youths were 'happy slapping' innocent elderly people long before black kids in the US came up with the Knockout Game.

[jayesco]

(02-14-2015 04:12 PM)Slim Shady Wrote:  

Indian people get some of the worst racism in America. This is because unlike the Black and Latino populations, there is no "Indian lobby". It is therefore okay to be racist to them, and there is no big uproar. It is okay to fire an Indian man. There is no affirmative action for us. In fact there is negative affirmative action because there are too many capable Indians around. Even East asians to an extent do not have a lobby, but atleast they have been around here for enough generations that they have integrated well enough into the population, and know how American society works.. Plus they do not have to suffer being mistaken for "Arab terrorists".

Everyone deserves to be treated fairly, and I've noticed in the media that Indians do get some unfair criticism and are often labeled.

Despite all of that, as an African-American, I've noticed Indians also dish out some of the worst racism. Walking into an Indian-owned store usually turns out to be one of the worst experiences for me. I'm usually followed around, or if I'm with a group, only a couple of us are allowed to shop at once. I usually just avoid them all-together.

[AneroidOcean]

To those of you who continue to say that the guy who called the cops is largely responsible, have you actually listened to the 911 call? It's all at the link below which I got from the 4th post in this thread.

The grandfather was allegedly walking up driveways and looking around garages. I see a distinction between walking around the neighborhood and walking up driveways, looking around. Probably just innocent behaviour on the part of the grandfather, but the guy who called the cops mentioned it multiple times as a cause for his call/concern.

The caller probably could've handled it a different way, but I don't place much blame on the caller, this is clearly criminal conduct on the part of the officer.

[la_mode]

It's nice to think that bad officers are in the minority - and when it comes to egregious acts such as this one, they probably are.

The general sentiment of police in America is to cite you for every minor thing they can and to instill fear in the public with an "us vs them" mentality.

If you need proof, read some of the police forums. They'll constantly brag about trumping up charges, how much they hate defense lawyers, how they were able to write some BS citation over window tints, how everyone is a liar, or how whenever there's a police controversy, they're always justified. Essentially, they can't be held accountable for the most part and they take pride in that.

[Suits]

(02-17-2015 03:05 AM)la_mode Wrote:  

It's nice to think that bad officers are in the minority - and when it comes to egregious acts such as this one, they probably are.

The general sentiment of police in America is to cite you for every minor thing they can and to instill fear in the public with an "us vs them" mentality.

If you need proof, read some of the police forums. They'll constantly brag about trumping up charges, how much they hate defense lawyers, how they were able to write some BS citation over window tints, how everyone is a liar, or how whenever there's a police controversy, they're always justified. Essentially, they can't be held accountable for the most part and they take pride in that.

I think it's a certain type of officer who frequents online forums just to talk about his job over and over again, but yes, forums like officer.com don't do much for the public image of police officers.

While sometimes the hilariously destroy some stupid person who is trying to justify and get advice on how to beat a traffic ticket they totally deserved, a lot of the time they simple make it clear how much they enjoy ruining other people's days.

[WalterBlack]

(02-14-2015 04:12 PM)Slim Shady Wrote:  

Indian people get some of the worst racism in America. This is because unlike the Black and Latino populations, there is no "Indian lobby". It is therefore okay to be racist to them, and there is no big uproar. It is okay to fire an Indian man. There is no affirmative action for us. In fact there is negative affirmative action because there are too many capable Indians around. Even East asians to an extent do not have a lobby, but atleast they have been around here for enough generations that they have integrated well enough into the population, and know how American society works.. Plus they do not have to suffer being mistaken for "Arab terrorists".

It is unfortunate that you see more Indian feminists coming out because of this [like Anil Dash, Tikko, or whomever we have discussed on this forum], but the point is that racism is real.

I’m of Indian descent (UK born and raised) and I’ve been in the US for nearly 9 years. Granted I’m in California, but in my experience the average white, black or Latino American doesn’t give a shit about my race. The first thing the average American notices about me is my accent. I’ve had a few FOB Chinese and Koreans question my ethnic background because it doesn’t compute with them that somebody could be from UK and be brown.

A black American friend said that I’m lucky in a way, because I can go into various neigbourhoods in LA and nobody would care. He said the in the average white or east Asian neighbourhood nobody would say anything, and in black and Mexican areas I blend in.

I don’t think anybody could get away with being racist to me in corporate America, at least not to my face. If there’s proof of it happening, I’m sure they will get in serious trouble. I’ve had a couple of people at work asking me where the good Indian restaurants are in LA, “my response is how should I know? Most of the time I eat Chinese, Korean or Japanese food!”

Even my dealings with cops have been courteous. One time I was pulled over I had a break light out, and the other time I did an illegal maneuver and I spent a couple of min talking with the cops about the difference between UK and LA police.

Hollywood doesn’t help matters, since it keeps on casting Indians as Arabs in movies and TV shows. Indians look nothing like Arabs. I’ve been to an Arab country and nobody thought I was one of them for a second.. I’m more concerned with the fact that Indian men are portrayed as nerdy faggots, rather than Arabs! East Asian men are portrayed in a very negative light in American media too.

[cibo]

(02-17-2015 02:40 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

Even my dealings with cops have been courteous. One time I was pulled over I had a break light out, and the other time I did an illegal maneuver and I spent a couple of min talking with the cops about the difference between UK and LA police.

Hollywood doesn’t help matters, since it keeps on casting Indians as Arabs in movies and TV shows. Indians look nothing like Arabs. I’ve been to an Arab country and nobody thought I was one of them for a second.. I’m more concerned with the fact that Indian men are portrayed as nerdy faggots, rather than Arabs! East Asian men are portrayed in a very negative light in American media too.

Fact that you're British (americans have an accent fetish) and might be a potential foreign visitor(meaning they can't fine you easily), means you'll get lenient treatment from the cops. Think of it as a non-gang member in a gang war. You're not part of the fight so people ignore you. Unfortunately cops see every US citizen like a potential insurgent and will gladly treat them like combatants.

[WalterBlack]

(02-17-2015 03:30 PM)cibo Wrote:  

Fact that you're British (americans have an accent fetish) and might be a potential foreign visitor(meaning they can't fine you easily), means you'll get lenient treatment from the cops.

I avoided a jaywalking ticket near MacArthur Park in downtown LA by telling the cops that I had just arrived in the country - I had already been in the country for 2 years by then!

(02-14-2015 03:55 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

This incident shows just how stupid and ignorant the average American is. The sight of a "Middle Eastern" looking man is enough to rouse suspicions in the average fat suburban American shithead.

This is how dumb some people are:

Racist vandals accidentally paint 'sacred' Swastika on Hindu temple

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When a group of vandals decided to paint racist graffiti on a Hindu temple in the town of Bothell, Washington, they chose to add insult to injury with an image of a Swastika.

They presumably did not realise that the design has been an ancient and sacred symbol in Hindu culture long before it was misappropriated by the Nazis in 1920s Germany.

Members of the Hindu temple in Bothell arrived on Sunday morning to find a Swastika and the words "get out" scrawled on the building.

Quote:

The swastika has been an important symbol for thousands of years among Hindus and Buddhists in India and other Asian countries, and was also used in Ancient Greece, and by the Celts.

Ireland's Book of Kells contains a Swastika shaped decoration and the symbol was also associated with the god Thor in Norse mythology.

Among different cultures, it variously represents life, sun, power, strength, and good luck.

The word itself comes from two Sanskrit phrases which together mean 'well-being'.

[WalterBlack]

Latest news:

Ex-Alabama officer charged for assaulting Indian man

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Federal officials have charged a former Alabama police officer with violating the civil rights of an Indian man.

Prosecutors say Eric Sloan Parker, 26, used unreasonable force against Sureshbhai Patel, a 57-year-old grandfather who recently moved to the US.

Mr Patel suffered injuries in February including partial paralysis when Mr Parker pushed him to the ground.

Mr Parker, who maintains his innocence, also faces state assault charges.

Mr Patel was walking outside his son's home on 6 February in an Alabama suburb when police said they received a call from a neighbour about a suspicious person.

Footage from police cameras showed Mr Patel - who speaks no English - trying to walk away when the officers approached him. They detained him and eventually shoved him to the ground.

Alabama Governor Robert Bentley apologised to the Indian government for the treatment of Patel, calling it a case of "excessive force". Mr Parker lost his job.

Hank Sherrod, an attorney for Mr Patel, said he is recovering but remains in a rehab centre in Huntsville.

Any RVF lawyers out there? What kind of punishment could the cop face?

[Merenguero]

(03-27-2015 01:03 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

Latest news:

Ex-Alabama officer charged for assaulting Indian man

Quote:

Federal officials have charged a former Alabama police officer with violating the civil rights of an Indian man.

Prosecutors say Eric Sloan Parker, 26, used unreasonable force against Sureshbhai Patel, a 57-year-old grandfather who recently moved to the US.

Mr Patel suffered injuries in February including partial paralysis when Mr Parker pushed him to the ground.

Mr Parker, who maintains his innocence, also faces state assault charges.

Mr Patel was walking outside his son's home on 6 February in an Alabama suburb when police said they received a call from a neighbour about a suspicious person.

Footage from police cameras showed Mr Patel - who speaks no English - trying to walk away when the officers approached him. They detained him and eventually shoved him to the ground.

Alabama Governor Robert Bentley apologised to the Indian government for the treatment of Patel, calling it a case of "excessive force". Mr Parker lost his job.

Hank Sherrod, an attorney for Mr Patel, said he is recovering but remains in a rehab centre in Huntsville.

Any RVF lawyers out there? What kind of punishment could the cop face?

Alabama has some really serious penalties for assault. First degree assault is the more serious charge and carries a mandatory minimum two years incarceration and a maximum of twenty years. Second degree assault is still a felony, but is less serious as it carries a mandatory minimum of one year and one day incarceration and a maximum of ten years. Knowing this, I'm really glad I'm not a defense attorney in Alabama. I've seen these criminal cases against police officers go both ways, but I'm guessing that in Alabama, especially given the facts of this case, he may be looking at some serious jail time. An officer in my neighborhood at the Jersey Shore received five years in prison for kicking a suspect, when the case wasn't even that serious. I have seen guys here in the D.C. area not even lose their jobs or be charged criminally for assault cases which appear to be pretty serious.

[TheWastelander]

(02-17-2015 04:09 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

When a group of vandals decided to paint racist graffiti on a Hindu temple in the town of Bothell, Washington, they chose to add insult to injury with an image of a Swastika.

They presumably did not realise that the design has been an ancient and sacred symbol in Hindu culture long before it was misappropriated by the Nazis in 1920s Germany.

Members of the Hindu temple in Bothell arrived on Sunday morning to find a Swastika and the words "get out" scrawled on the building.

One of their own members probably did that.

[TigerMandingo]

give him life with no possibility of parole just to instill some fear in cops