How many cocks has she had?

A female doctor is the pinnacle of the feminist "You can have it all" lie. NO, you can't work 60 hour weeks plus call, AND be a good wife, AND be a good mom AND leave the emotional trauma that doctors stuff away.

She at some point had to interview to get into med school and residency, and across the table she told the interviewer it was "her calling". At some deep level, she's most likely wanting someone to be her help and support as she pursues all the tokens of her life goals....doctor - check...wife - check...mom - check...supportive beta husband...

Avoid LTR's with medical practitioners.

female doctors screw themselves. they spend their peak fertility in school and residency and by the time they come up for air they're already competing against younger hotter women. they make enough money that the vast majority of men they could date would mean settling for a financially inferior mate. and their ego is inflated because American society treats doctors deferentially as a rule so you will be constantly shit tested for value.

you sound like you're grasping for a reason to be with her in the face of your gut instincts. listen to your gut.

also, on the topic of cooking. I've said before to girls - if I can cook better than the girl I'm dating, it isn't going to work. I don't consider myself any great talent, but I can put a meal together reasonably well (if nothing else, it's a great excuse to have women at your place). anytime a girl proudly proclaims she can't cook, it's an immediate turnoff. not just the lack of femininity - how have we gotten to a point where people are proud to be poor at a basic life requirement?

Quote: (01-09-2015 05:17 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

She's making about $1000+ per day or will, be-- and doctors can easily get overtime so you're looking at a million dollar house lifestyle, real nice vacations. She can pay someone to cook and doctors generally don't stop working--but that means she'll be tired all the time. You'd own half her income if you married her.

It's not an easy profession to get into, it's a little petty to demand she cook; but it does sound bad that she doesn't even try. Proud of not being feminine.


You're right about--

My guess is she gets her ass kissed so much for being a cute professional she doesn't grasp how soon her sexual magnetism will fizzle...it's just months away now..

She just sounds kind of cold with that blase attitude about guys she fucked being on her social media pages...not a romantic or feminine personality.

Like the idea of "price discovery". Here in the Philippines I found out I can get more loyalty than I thought-- but getting 7s is harder than I thought for an older guy.

How hard is it? Doyouknowexactly?

G

Quote: (01-09-2015 07:52 PM)joseywales Wrote:  

A female doctor is the pinnacle of the feminist "You can have it all" lie. NO, you can't work 60 hour weeks plus call, AND be a good wife, AND be a good mom AND leave the emotional trauma that doctors stuff away.

She is a doctor, she may know all the greatest and latest medical developments to prolong fertility etc. But she should be highly aware of those limitations and how the body ages. I know I shouldn't be surprised that she ignores what she has learned to satisfy the hamster.

Quote: (01-09-2015 05:08 PM)SlickyBoy Wrote:  

Negatives: Cannot cook and has no shame in admitting it; puts all of her time into her career; h

Dealbreaker. Almost any feminine woman is going to want to know how to take care of her home, and her lack of interest is telling.

If she really works that many hours, the "not tonight, I have a headache" will be used full force.

Post title should be:

"Reminded, again, why I would not wife up a 33-year old career woman"

Your primary problem was that she's 33 and a career woman. Whether she's American or British or Mongolian, is much less significant.

If you are serious about wifing, go look for 22 year old submissive girls in Iowa or Poland, or Columbia, or wherever. There are small but findable nuggets of wife material buried all over the world.

Quote: (01-09-2015 07:44 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

How many cocks has she had?

I don't know her well enough to ask (at that point it would probably be too late anyway) but I think it's safe to say it's well into the double digits.

The best thing you could do for her is to bang her and then never call her again. She needs a stiff, harsh reality check and what better way to deliver it than with your cock?

Quote: (01-09-2015 05:27 PM)Merenguero Wrote:  

You left out another positive, which may be the biggest one: if a guy were to wife her up, he would most likely not get divorce raped. Compare that to a guy who brings over a Filipina, Thai, or Colombian girl. Those girls most likely wouldn't have any marketable skills, and likely wouldn't even have a command of English. When it comes time to decide alimony and/or equitable distribution of marital property, those factors are huge.

It's a good point she'll almost certainly make more than him unless he's in finance, so unless she goes for sole custody divorce rape is less likely.

ironically, in Anglosphere, if she got full custody (and no one will argue with her she's a DOCTOR) , she could be making 250K/yr ( what psychiatrists made where I worked, plus several thousand a week for being on call which mean taking a few phone calls in the middle of the night and saying "Yes it's OK to sedate the violent patient.") he could be paying HER child support with a 50k sales job.

About marketability, it's not so simple-- not everyone in the Philippines is a rural uneducated person although a lot are. Most of the psychiatrists and nurses where I worked were from Philippines and (some from India) and were more sympathetic and wise than the American White and Indian doctors.

It's not accurate to assume intellect from country background, as with many things, education and social class determine how someone thinks more than their nationality.

I'm here in Phils and not dating anyone without a college degree at this point, mostly science degrees. They'll be more willing to work that I will if I go back to Anglosphere. My pension was vested and started paying out long before I've met anyone here, it's pretty ironclad as 100% mine except for possible child support.

It's also why I'm not killing myself to get a model-looking chick who already gets too much attention here. In the USA it would be marriage suicide for an older guy to bring a real hot spoiled girl, just pure idiocy.

I'm telling them all I'm not bringing anyone to the USA until they have kids. Some visibly deflate.

That said, here's a NY Times article about how married people are happier ESPECIALLY IN MIDDLE AGE. Of course, none of the Red Pill and Abundance Mindset players here will ever be middle aged.


http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/08/upshot...0002&abg=0

haha my region is "marginal", hope you guys can see it. Here's an excerpt.

The benefits of marital friendship are most vivid during middle age, when people tend to experience a dip in life satisfaction, largely because career and family demands apply the most stress then. Those who are married, the new paper found, have much shallower dips – even in regions where marriage does not have an overall positive effect.

“The biggest benefits come in high-stress environments, and people who are married can handle midlife stress better than those who aren’t because they have a shared load and shared friendship,” Mr. Helliwell said.


Frankly, I am pretty bewildered when posters here talk about "my boys" -- they're talking about their friends.

Although many of them will express regret to you, by the time you're 40-45, for almost all of you most friends you had at 30 will be gone from your life into marriage, geographic separation (unless you stay in the place you met them) , alcoholism, exhausting work-spend-TV watch lifestyles, with some rare early deaths, expatriations to places you won't go, prison, or severe poverty. Some will just stagnate and be uninteresting to you.

I have a strong longing for what I was lucky to have in my youth-- someone who is always on my side and concerned about me.

Someone who notices when I seem to be down and wants to do something about it.

I have a friend I used to play in a band with. I have a doctorate now, he still works in a small restaurant. What will we have to say to each other? Another friend became a deca-millionaire with properties all over the world. I'm intimidated to talk to him, even though he contacts me.

Your boys--will be gone.

And the cool young guys-- like you are now--will not want to be around you.

Reasoning from the exception is a common feminine cognitive error. Most people--most, not all--are not happiest living alone, and having support from transient relationships they find along the way. Digital "friends" are just jpg's on Facebook- they don't count, although someone who can chat online is better than nothing.

Quote: (01-09-2015 10:23 PM)MrLemon Wrote:  

If you are serious about wifing, go look for 22 year old submissive girls in Iowa or Poland, or Columbia, or wherever. There are small but findable nuggets of wife material buried all over the world.

More or less what I did. I picked up a sweet, 22 year old, submissive girl from farm country. Also key is that she grew up without cable television(her parents only let the family watch old-school movies) and has not attended a four year college.

Quote: (01-09-2015 09:18 PM)Geomann180 Wrote:  

Quote: (01-09-2015 05:17 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

She just sounds kind of cold with that blase attitude about guys she fucked being on her social media pages...not a romantic or feminine personality.

Like the idea of "price discovery". Here in the Philippines I found out I can get more loyalty than I thought-- but getting 7s is harder than I thought for an older guy.

How hard is it? Doyouknowexactly?

G

Yes, but my social value computer needs input of your
-- age
- height weight
-- Education or IQ
- coloring ( blond blue rates highest)
- longest period of time you can stay here.

All I see is you tried, it didn't work out and now you want to blame on them.

If you didn't care about American women at all, you wouldn't get bitter at all.

Honestly, look at your title. I felt the anger just by looking at that.

Go outside and just walk around in normal places. you will see plenty of normal/happy couple.

And there you are, claiming all those women are not worth to marry on Internet.

Quote: (01-09-2015 05:17 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

Quote: (01-09-2015 05:08 PM)SlickyBoy Wrote:  

Did I miss anything?

She's making about $1000+ per day or will, be-- and doctors can easily get overtime so you're looking at a million dollar house lifestyle, real nice vacations. She can pay someone to cook and doctors generally don't stop working--but that means she'll be tired all the time. You'd own half her income if you married her.

It's not an easy profession to get into, it's a little petty to demand she cook; but it does sound bad that she doesn't even try. Proud of not being feminine.


You're right about--

My guess is she gets her ass kissed so much for being a cute professional she doesn't grasp how soon her sexual magnetism will fizzle...it's just months away now..

She just sounds kind of cold with that blase attitude about guys she fucked being on her social media pages...not a romantic or feminine personality.

Like the idea of "price discovery". Here in the Philippines I found out I can get more loyalty than I thought-- but getting 7s is harder than I thought for an older guy.

Not all doctors are making bank. At least not what is normally thought of when people talk about doctors. It depends on a lot of factors. My dad is a doctor and he quit working as one a long time ago because it just doesn't pay as well anymore.

All his friends who are his age and doctors told their children NOT to go to medical school.

It used to be that the path to making bank as a doctor was to get out of the hospital rotation after a few years after residency. Then to either specialize in something, which would take a lot longer, or more often than not to open up your own private practice with a few other doctors.

That is what my dad did. He was even able to get some of his med school loans paid off because he opened his practice in an area that was under served and poverty stricken. He was tired of seeing poor women having babies on the side of the road as they travelled a great distance to the hospital, as he like to say.

I don't know what the rates are today or how Obamacare effects this all but when I was a kid and my dad opened his own practice he was paying over 100k$ a year in medical malpractice insurance. That was on top of rent, payroll, and all the tech needed to run an office.

All it took was one, or actually two, lawsuits to pretty much bankrupt us and force him back into research and consulting.

Lawyers are called Ambulance chasers for a reason y'all.

As for this chick, this is a bad deal no matter how you slice it.

Let's break it down:

Option A: She actually works as a doctor and makes bank. Maybe she has her own practice or moves up to a higher level within the hospital in some specialized field. Ok. How does this help you?

Even if she continues to work and basically support you and your kids after the marriage, she still isn't going to be a wife or mother because she will be on-call most of the time and she will be working 60-80 hours a week to provide that million dollar home. So, she won't be there to be feminine but instead when she is around she will be drained and bitchy from working so hard. Maybe that is worth it due to the lifestyle she gives you and the kids???

Well, she won't be there as a mom for the kids in this situation. She won't be at the soccer games or little league practice. Being a doctor she will probably be against you as a dad teaching your sons anything traditionally seen as manly like how to hunt or play football or martial arts or how to ride four-wheelers or dirt bikes because she will have seen accidents from all of this stuff and that is likely her only introduction to it. Yeah, I speak from experience on some of this.

Also, if you think that you will be protected from divorce rape....nope. Not gonna happen. You might end up not paying alimony or CS if your lucky, but she will have the resources and connections to fuck you over none the less because after all she can pay for the baby sitters and maids while your househusband bitch ass is just a loser and a mooch off her successful and independent and empowered wife.

Option B: This is the far more likely option. You marry her. She cuts her hair off post wedding and gains a few pounds. Then she squirts out the 2.1 kids a few years later, assuming your lucky and she doesn't need IVF or something, and then she decides to at best cut her hours to quarter time and move into a less demanding field. Maybe she works as a consultant for some feminist charity that focuses on health issues related to third world women or maybe she just worked down at the local clinic two days a week.

Either way, guess what. Now she is going to dump on you hardcore and be pissed that you aren't pulling your weight compared to her. Again, that is the best case. The worst case is that she decides to become a stay at home mom for a decade or more and then she goes to work at the local clinic a day or two a week. By this time she has undoubtedly divorced your ass and found another doctor, that probably spent more time specializing or worked himself into an administrative role, to fill your place as your kids call him daddy and you a deadbeat.

Either way. Making a higher status woman your wife, especially in the west, is almost always a bad idea and a rotten deal for men. The only exception might be if you are in politics and need to become a power couple for your image....even then though, I would advise to at least make sure you and her have an understanding that the marriage is about politics and economics and not love or fidelity. So, basically unless you want to become the next Bill Clinton it is best to stay away from female lawyers, doctors, psychologists, and probably a number of other fields but definitely away from politicians.

SlickyBoy, how old are you? Being say 50 and looking at a 33 year old is different than being say 28 and looking at a 33 year old.

Ancient - 46. So you can see that from my perspective she's not that old. Oddly enough, shes not put off by my age as I'd have expected (and yes, of course she grows even more desperate the longer that clock keeps ticking.)

Regardless, it's impossible to ignore what I already know about my market value outside of the US. For all the aforementioned reasons it isn't worth the risk of a hamsterized American woman when there's still ample opportunities elsewhere. This wasn't a call for validation, just a refreshing reminder I'm glad to have received.

Thanks also to the additional perspectives which reinforced my already strong gut instincts. I am excruciatingly aware of the perils associated with marrying a high status over educated Western woman, as one poster pointed out; both scenarios described are definitely within the realm of possibility.

All you Anglosphere guys out there who don't already have a passport - get one (with extra pages).

Where I currently work, out of 21 people in my department 10 of us have foreign wives (all Asian except 2 Latin American), 1 brotha man, who is single and refuses to date black Americans, would make a good addition to RVF, and he travels to Latin America with a pending trip in a few months (He is torn between the DR and Panama). I'm working on getting him onboard here, we shall see.

I think the word is getting out.

You sound like you work for the Foreign Service - am I close?

Quote: (01-10-2015 07:27 AM)SlickyBoy Wrote:  

You sound like you work for the Foreign Service - am I close?

Nope. IT and private sector.

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She says she definitely wants to settle down but made it clear it has to be with a man who makes more than she does, can't be shorter than her.

Had drinks with coworkers/friends the other night, and some of the women were giving me shit (albeit in a lighthearted way) for only dating/banging younger women. Two of them had tried to set me up with 'age appropriate' women, and by that I mean two unattractive, boring women in their late 30s who thought their jobs/quirkiness made them attractive. One of them even said to me "I'm so ready to be a mother". I should've said "yea, and I'm so ready to become a Navy SEAL" since that's what people in their late 30s do.

Anyway, I told them women are the ones with ridiculous standards, and broke it down thusly:

Most men are looking for a woman of average height (5’4ish), even on that we're flexible. In good shape, doesn’t have to be skinny, but certainly not fat. And dumpy doesn’t cut it. And don’t be a cunt. Be sexy.

So in summary: Be cute, not fat, be feminine. Pretty simple.

I asked the women their general standards, as well as of their friends. I asked them would their ideal guy be 6’0 – 6’2, earning 100k or so? They all said that was certainly reasonable.

I then pointed out, based on a quick Google search, that 14.5 percent of men are over 6’. 3.9 percent are over 6’2. And if you earn over $100,000, that’s more than 92%.

So in other words, many women seem to be looking for a guy in the top ten percent, whereas most men are simply looking for a woman of average height who can put down the fried chicken and eat a salad. I told them there are so many fat whales and flat out ugly chicks (alluding to the Online Hamster thread) who have similar standards.

And men are more picky?

They of course went into full hamster mode, saying that men (me in particular) just aren't interested in 'successful' and 'experienced' women. I pointed out that to them a successful woman is any woman with a job whereas a man's success is directly correlated to his income. And 'experienced'? GTFO, just a euphemism for 'has been fucked by lots of dudes'.

Point being obviously that many women don't get is:

1) Like what you like, but what you bring to the table is important.
2) You don't get to dictate what is important to bring to the table, the opposite sex does.

Now this girl, a 33 y/o somewhat attractive doctor, seems to be at the higher end of attractiveness for her age. But the same rules still apply. Her best bet would be to find another doctor, a specialist who understands and accepts her lifestyle.

Or my boss. Except his wife stays at home in their large house taking care of the kids. Which is truly what many men in that financial position are looking for.

I keep making this point, but that is the number one issue with American women. They can't handle when a man expresses his own free will and chooses to be with someone according to his own tastes, standards and preferences. Instead of trying to appeal to men, they expect men to bend to their will.

And that is why I am heavily invested in the cat industry, because it is going to explode in the coming years.

Well said CRR. It all boils down to entitlement. Women in the US (and the west) are entitled. They are not trying to appeal to the wants/needs of men. They are not taking into consideration what the other sex finds attractive. They don't feel that they have to and you see this in the way women behave: cant cook, act masculine, tattoos, swearing, butch-dyke hair, fat, career-driven/not family oriented, etc. Men with backbones will walk away from this type of behavior and look elsewhere. Only spineless men (the ones they dont actually want - beta bucks) will submit to their imperative.

Quote: (01-10-2015 09:13 AM)CRR Wrote:  

They of course went into full hamster mode, saying that men (me in particular) just aren't interested in 'successful' and 'experienced' women. I pointed out that to them a successful woman is any woman with a job whereas a man's success is directly correlated to his income. And 'experienced'? GTFO, just a euphemism for 'has been fucked by lots of dudes'.

I wonder was there more of a reaction? Did any of it click? I think it is great stuff but, if I may, ust gotta be a little careful around work hags and betas.

Let's please review the Laws of Wifing:

#2: Thou shalt not marry a woman with a high powered or high-earning career. Artists, School Teachers, Nurses, Shop Girls are ok. Lawyers, doctors, and executives are not.

# 5: Any woman who makes more money than her husband will always divorce him and will get custody of the kids.

#6: A wife who isn't submissive, isn't really a wife at all.

I really would like to know where these guys live or how they see the world. (Guys claiming american women are like that)

I am sitting at the coffee shop in a small town where the rent goes $400~500 a room with a roommate. There are good number of attractive women every time I go.

If you live in a shit hole, it's your fault since you are an adult and can move easily within U.S
If you don't get attentions from attractive women and only have an option to go after those you don't like, it's your fault too.

Do you really wish you were born in those poor countries as a man since women there don't have that Entitlement?
(I just assumed it. Sorry if you were comparing to women in countries like France, Italy, Germany etc)
I am sure you don't want that since you don't want to lose that Entitlement as American man (white background) who speaks English?

Quote: (01-10-2015 10:39 AM)The Reactionary Tree Wrote:  

Well said CRR. It all boils down to entitlement. Women in the US (and the west) are entitled. They are not trying to appeal to the wants/needs of men. They are not taking into consideration what the other sex finds attractive. They don't feel that they have to and you see this in the way women behave: cant cook, act masculine, tattoos, swearing, butch-dyke hair, fat, career-driven/not family oriented, etc. Men with backbones will walk away from this type of behavior and look elsewhere. Only spineless men (the ones they dont actually want - beta bucks) will submit to their imperative.