Quote: (12-12-2014 02:12 AM)GenghisKhan Wrote:
Here's a short report I posted on the Approach thread.. I don't know what the hell happened here. Maybe you guys can give me some feedback.
Scenario: I'm waiting for the airport shuttle at some random bus stop in NYC. I'm waiting and see this HB7.5 blonde (who I later found out was a yoga teacher) waiting with a luggage as well. A bus stops, everybody in the bus stop gets in except me and the blonde chick. I knew it wasn't our bus, but I asked her anyway "You sure that's not our bus?". We talked for 2 minutes about the bus, airport rides and parking options. Then some silence. The bus arrives and we get in. I notice she chose a seat very close to me inside the bus, so I knew I had a chance to re-open once inside. This is also a very subconscious action.
10 minutes before the bus arrives the airport, we talk to each other about our trips. I was going to visit some family in Asia, while she was going to Los Angeles to meet a friend. We talked for 10 minutes -- and get this -- when the bus arrives in the airport, we walk together and she number closes me when she got to her terminal. I'd call myself an average looking kid, and I know this type of thing is extremely rare even for good looking guys. She said "I want to hangout with you next time." I found it strange, so I give her my number without any expectations. She texts me before my flight and we go on a boring conversation. I don't escalate at all. No flirting at all, just the "where are you from", 'what do you do", "where are you staying", "have you been to Cali before" these types of questions. Maybe for 20 minutes until my plane left. Honestly, I was just so perplexed why this chick number-closed me in broad daylight. She lives in the city but she is from Las Vegas, and I just thought she was a hooker.
Then bam. I don't talk to her for a whole week until I come back to the states.
When I got back to the states, I try to set up a date right as soon as possible right. I begin to escalate through text to jump start attraction. I'm telling her I'm really interested in taking her out. I even told her what to wear, what my type is and to make sure she smells good. At first she told me she'd love to go out, but she had to be in Rochester for work for a few days. I wait and on the the night she comes back, she says sorry I'm too tired to go out (which is understandable since it was 11PM). Anyway, the next day, she sets up a date with me and it is sealed.
I play the logistics game -- I bring her to get food and drinks in a restaurant and a bar a few blocks from my house. I know Roosh members don't like to get food during first dates --- but I really enjoy it so I do it anyway. We get some pizza and re-engage the conversation. We're just regular two people conversing. We're eating and as soon as we finish, bounce off the next pub to get a couple of drinks. This time we get more cozy. We sit super close to each other. Talk about our lives, sex, our ex's, and in the span of three hours I also built a lot of inside jokes together. I'm good at that shit inside jokes shit -- so it went well. When it was time to go, I just said she had to come to my place to see this samurai sword I bought from JPN. (side note: as an asian dude, I probably should find better props).
Surprisingly, she gave no hesitation and just started walking. We got into my apartment, I gave her a tour of the place, showed that thing I bought from Japan and we sit on the couch to talk some more. While she is talking, I cut her off and told her I've been wanting to kiss her since we were at the club. I lean in and kiss her. She doesn't kiss me back but doesn't push me away. I'm like, what? She said she was shy, and she started hiding her face in my pillows like a 10 year old girl and started talking super boring mundane things about work.
Then, I had a fucking genius hook that brought her to bed. I told her I had these disco-balls neon lights in my bed post. She wanted to see it, so we go to the bedroom and i turn on the lights. She assumes the position (lies on my bed) to look at the lights. I lie down too. We're making out, and she's kissing me a lot this time. I grope her but it was so hard to remove her dress. She said she just met me and she's not ready for my samurai sword just yet. We make out maybe for an hour in between telling jokes and laughing. I'm still pushing but she is resisting every time I try to advance. I stop, we talk and then kiss again and she won't get any further again. I didn't push that hard because I honestly was having such a good time, and I also had set her up for a broadway show next week (I won tickets on the radio) and seeing how sure thing this is, I wasn't worried. I told myself it'll just be a matter of time. My balls were blue as fuck but I figured I'd just wait it out.
So here's what happens right. We plan 2 more dates. We planned a date last weekend and another date for the show (this Thursday) I assumed the bang will just happen any time between that.
The day after our first date, she texts me "hey genghis, i saw the trailer of the show and it looks amazing. i can't wait!" I told her I couldn't wait too.
That night, I knew she met some of her girl friends, and I don't know what her friends told her. The next day, she messages me to cancel on me telling me she has work and can't see me that night. This is just obvious bullshit because her job isn't busy at all. That's it. Bam. Radio silence after. No text response. Of 3 weeks of texting with this broad, that never happens.
I'm trying to understand and review my game to see if I did something wrong. Maybe she knew I was just trying to get into her pants? Did I bring her to my room too soon?
I really hate flakers. I'm angry this broad wasted my time and effort. I'm pissed because my balls are blue as fuck, and I honestly couldn't play a better game.
What should I do for the Broadway show? It's like 3 nights away. Do I text her?
Do I wait for the day before? Do I open the text about the Broadway show, or do I open the text with something else?
I see several arising issues here that led to end result of her radio silencing you.
Ok so what do we know?
- Shes a
7.5 blonde from
NYC. Meaning she probably gets hit on all the time, and probably has atleast 4-5 other options on the go, not to mention a handful of beta orbiters, and on top of all that her
hypergamy is very pronounced
- The fact that she number closed you (and yes this is rare) tells me she obviously was attracted to you and associated with you high value, intriguing her interest in you, meaning besides your physical attraction to her, you spat good game on the initial meet and bus ride.
- The fact she said "she wants to hang out with you" already puts you in a good position before the 1st date, in my opinion she was DTF
Where did it go wrong?
Quote: (12-12-2014 02:12 AM)GenghisKhan Wrote:
I play the logistics game -- I bring her to get food and drinks in a restaurant and a bar a few blocks from my house. I know Roosh members don't like to get food during first dates --- but I really enjoy it so I do it anyway. We get some pizza and re-engage the conversation.
This ^^^. You already started off on the wrong foot by taking her for food to begin the date.
-Theres a reason why dinner and food for a first date is a no go. Firstly, why would you want to watch her eat and try to have a conversation, while paying for the bill (im assuming you did).
-Having dinner is a counterproductive environment for physical escalation. Any RVF member will tell you alcohol almost always is a catalyst to the bedroom. In short, no dinner first dates PERIOD. Drinks only, plus in what world does she even deserve a paid for dinner from you. Its not your 1 year girlfriends birthday.
- The second suspicion is when you guys went to the bar, besides your inside jokes and playful conversation, your physical escalation was non-existent. Im not advocating making out in the bar per say, but definitely some leg and arm touching, to the point of locking hands with her on and off in the bar.
Ok so you get her back to your place. Nice. At this point, you still are not out of the game by any means. She probably isnt sure why you didnt escalate with her at the bar, but shes giving you another opportunity at your place.
At this point you guys continue conversation until the breaking point/ buzz kill comes into play and destroys any chance you have of banging her:
-When you told her " you've been wanting to kiss her ever since the bar". This comes off totally weak and beta and in fact thats what she should be thinking in her head. Had you have been physically escalating at the bar and your place, theres no need to say anything, and a makeout would have naturally happened.
- You skipped many steps of escalation up to the point that she probably was surprised and later on embarrassed that you tried to kiss her out of the blue like that. Thats why she put her face in a pillow and said she was "shy" (ya my ass).
- This resulted in a snowball effect leading into the bedroom where no comfort was established and she was probably turned off by the entire thing, ultimately making out with you out of guilt.
Its unnecessary to have already planned 2 more dates. It comes off as needy and a man lacking options. Always leave her guessing. Your mask was lifted, and she knew she had you, instead of her trying to qualify herself to you.
Lastly, she left your place knowing you weren't the alpha high valued man she perceived you to be.
I would say shes a lost prospect and move on, you are already low value in her eyes with not much hope of recovery.
If you really want to try, send her randomly " cool c u at 9" to which her response will be "what?" to which you reply " oops wrong convo" with the goal of you trying to instill jealousy, but my guess its low success rate at this stage.
Happens to all of us man, dont worry about it, learn from you mistakes and slay the next brod that comes to see your Samurai Sword