Remember when you were in college…I'm sure you had loads of independent thoughts on the subjects you were learning?

Remember when you first worked in Afghanistan or some other shithole…I bet you had loads of preconceived ideas about how things were going to work before you arrived?

Whether in college or working abroad I have no doubt you listened, realised you were wrong and modelled your thoughts on your professors or those with more experience.

RVF is like the University for Relationships with Women…you gotta put your ego aside, stop repeating what's not working and wake up.

Carry on like this and you're going to end up a very unhappy man.

Quote: (10-21-2014 09:01 AM)Gringuito Wrote:  

Skip,

Speaking from experience, using provider game on girls in the US does not work very well. (with notable exceptions) You need to be careful that you're relying too much on your money or ivy league background. This will come off as bragging/try-hard to the girls. You want to become the fun-guy that just happens to have money. You need to learn game and don't be an open book.

You were taught that if you worked hard, made money, stayed fit, then you would get the girl of your dreams. The reality is that US based girls want a guy that games them well and gives them tingles. They want the fun guy that puts them on the emotional roller coaster. They will accept a filthy rich guy for a while, but their heart won't be in it.

Your choice is whether you change yourself to better fit what the women like in Vegas or move somewhere else where the women value you as you are now.

THIS

I am sure you have spent some time abroad, this is probably why you understand OP.

OP on another thread said that he is an american with a slavic mentality. He is probably used to eastern european girls and I understand why he thinks that his game from EE could work in the US (but it does not).

The truth is that the rules change when you leave the western world. Women care more about what you have than what you look like or what type of game you have.

While having a ripped body, being good looking and being fun will get you laid in the western world, outside of it, they care more about what car do you have and what type of job do you have, it took me a while to understand this but that is the damn truth.

As other members said, you are now in the US, you need to run US based game, forget that expensive car and expensive dinners, it will probably do you more harm than good.

Also I see that OP has (strong) beta tendencies. He says he usually pays for their apartments and buys them Iphones when he is abroad. Why would you do that? Actually I understand that girls in poorer countries won't date you for too long if you are not spending money on them, but you have the option to pump and dump them.

If you are living the baller life as you say you are when you are travelling, you won't have problems meeting new women.

Last thing, move, you are probably wasting your time in the US with the international experience you have and the money you are making.

I just read the whole thread, OP is even worse than I thought, I don't think he wants to listen. OP stop boasting about how much money you make, there are many guys on this forum making about the same money as you, nobody cares.

Quote: (10-23-2014 10:11 AM)pitt Wrote:  

I just read the whole thread, OP is even worse than I thought, I don't think he wants to listen. OP stop boasting about how much money you make, there are many guys on this forum making about the same money as you, nobody cares.

I live in second tier city in England.

Even here it is simply not enough to be considered rich or a major provider. God knows how he is expecting it to work in bloody Las Vegas!

This thread is seven pages long and I still don't understand one thing: is O.P. seeking advice on how do do better in Las Vegas or is he just venting that he is not doing as well in Las Vegas as he thinks he should? I'm not being critical. I'm just not sure.

Quote: (10-23-2014 11:01 AM)Merenguero Wrote:  

This thread is seven pages long and I still don't understand one thing: is O.P. seeking advice on how do do better in Las Vegas or is he just venting that he is not doing as well in Las Vegas as he thinks he should? I'm not being critical. I'm just not sure.

You nailed it in on the head. OP should reframe this thread with a post letting us know what he is seeking. I just hope it is sincere and not some clever troll job.

Quote: (10-22-2014 06:21 PM)Skips Steps Wrote:  

Quote: (10-22-2014 11:24 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

Quote: (10-22-2014 02:41 AM)ComebackKid Wrote:  

Girls in top two pictures are hot, girl in the bottom picture imo is 4-5.

From these pictures it is obvious:
1) You have no style sense whatsoever. You would be laughed out of the places in Europe where men dress well (Milan, Stockholm, etc.)
2) You should lose bf.

I would say improving your style should be a priority. Tanner from masculine-style.com can help and other forum members vouched for his services.

I hinted at this in my last post.

Jariel has dropped it 100% as always and I concur, the rhetoric about black president means nothing. Look at Ferguson riots to see what race means in America.

Provider game is how you roll and you have been exposed in Vegas.

Be honest with yourself, we all know rolling in Eastern Europe is alot easier when you have a bit of status and are american.
Sure the person insulted you with the dancing comment, but what do we see black americans doing in the media. The media certainly doesn't portray black men like you that attended Harvard.

You don't have to answer every comment people post, you don't have to justify anything. You have been given honest opinions and sound advice, learn from it.

I won't respond here to your post. I don't like racial debates. That being said, do the names Jeb Johnon, Eric Holder, and Barack Obama mean anything to you? One is most powerful man in the world, one is the nation's chief legal law enforcement officer (he heads the DOJ and the head of the FBI reports to him), and the other is the nation's chief protector. All command billions --if not trillions--of dollars and 100,000s of men and women. DHS commands everything from the Coast Guard to the Secret Service to FEMA.

I seek to be a man of gravitas and power, not a clown.

My idol growing up was Ralph Bunch. Was an OSS (predecessor to the Agency) manger during WWII and later was America's lead negotiator for the Palestinian-Israeli portfolio.

Dude was also posted to Bucharest in the 1930s and apparently bed the creme de la croix of the European socialites in his day

Then your best option is to move from Vegas to DC where far more importance is placed on credentialism and intelligence. You stand a much better chance there than in Vegas, which is all surface.

You seem to have a preference for European women and there is a significant international contingent there that you can pursue but don't sleep on the black smokeshows in DC. A lot of them are smart, attractive and educated. You'd be catnip to them.

Just get out of Vegas. It's not your market.

Quote: (10-23-2014 09:09 AM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  

Remember when you were in college…I'm sure you had loads of independent thoughts on the subjects you were learning?

Remember when you first worked in Afghanistan or some other shithole…I bet you had loads of preconceived ideas about how things were going to work before you arrived?

Whether in college or working abroad I have no doubt you listened, realised you were wrong and modelled your thoughts on your professors or those with more experience.

RVF is like the University for Relationships with Women…you gotta put your ego aside, stop repeating what's not working and wake up.

Carry on like this and you're going to end up a very unhappy man.

Always do what the top players are doing. If the community does it, it is because it works. If you have an idea that goes against what the best players are doing, discard it. If it hasn't been adopted by the community, it's because it doesn't work.

We are all in this for the same reason. We all want to learn, so if we come to certain conclusions, it is because they have consistently shown themselves to be true.

OP is future divorce rape victim

BTW:

This is classic guy with big passive game cannot get laid because his active game is shit.

(For OP: http://www.returnofkings.com/999/passive...ctive-game)

I wonder what OP's debt/net-wroth ratio is.......

I saw OP's facebook. Seems legit, black suited up American dude in some Central Asian looking country with politicians and their minders.

Skip I don't see any reason why you can't read up on game, you're clearly an intelligent man, why not test the theories out?

Sure you want to pay to play, that's fine, why not try using less money and more game, seeing how your ROI is ?

I've played the 30K millionaire part years ago, like others have said, another bigger fish with more money flashes his cash, and your HB 8 is gone.


Like I've said before, without the money and degrees, what do you have that will attract women ? (Mind, Soul, Body) aka Game, Humour, Intelligence, Shredded Body

You can get a lot of advice on that with this forum.


This forum has MULTIPLE weapons on gaming and how to deploy game on women. You can learn alot....but....

Quote: (10-23-2014 09:35 AM)pitt Wrote:  

Also I see that OP has (strong) beta tendencies. He says he usually pays for their apartments and buys them Iphones when he is abroad. Why would you do that?

I don't know why anybody is trying to help this dude anymore.

Forget the fact that he's not really here to take anyone's advice, he's a simp.

Simps fuck up the game for players because they ultimately interfere with chicks we'd likely want to fuck with -- think about it, dudes don't simp for undesirable women -- and in the process make it more difficult for us to play our game because the chicks become accustomed to "come up game" from the simp experience and then expect everyone else to act accordingly.

This shit is like being on the Lakers, and calling timeout to run over to the T-Wolves' bench to tell them how they can score more points.

My last ditch hail mary to help. Reach out to guys who are in Vegas who have posted on this thread already or search old vegas threads to find guys who know what's up.

Or, contact McQueen. He isn't on here anymore but he is dialed in Vegas. Find McQueen's blog (it is easy to do) and reach out to him. He might be able to help you stay in Vegas and make it work for you. It seems like you want to stay there, despite your Cape Town post. I won't get into why he left, but McQueen is legit and has solid connections.

I will say this about RVF, we have gone 7 pages trying to help someone we don't know. I think most of it has been constructive commentary. It is one of the qualities I appreciate about the forum. Willing to help a stranger, even if we are not sure if we are getting trolled. So respect to you guys.

This kind of reminds me of the "Why hasn't game worked" thread, except that guy has met me, and possibly other forum members, and seems more willing to take advice than the O.P. in this thread.

I know, when someone starts a thread talking about their personal long story, they just need someone to hear.
It doesnt go well if you offer advice since that means what they have been doing were wrong. So they will argue with your honest opinion to make them not look STUPID.

Go see a therapist OP. They get paid to hear your sad stories.

Some RVF member should bill this guy for their time.

Approach, approach and approach some more.

Literally have a few drinks, grab your phone and walk down the strip. Approach a hundred girls, get as many numbers as possible. Send out late night invites.

Even if nothing pans out do that an hour a day every day and your game will increase 10 fold.

My old sales boss lives in Vegas, he's poor, older, and spits the gnarliest game, but the key is, he does it with confidence and he does it 24/7. We did door to door sales and he would knock on doors like he owned the house and was visiting his tenants.

Skip,

Can you do the forum a favor and write a detail summary of the advice you got in this long thread. Since your not going to take the advice that members were nice enough too spend the time and give you. You can help someone out in the future who might have the same problem and save him sometime by writing a summary of this thread.

Also maybe you don't learn by reading maybe you have to write things out in your own words to fully understand it.

Either way written a summary in your own words of the advice received in this thread will be a plus for a future forum member and may be for you.

I'm glad I wasn't the only one that thought of Elliott Rogers.

At the end of this guy's OP I was 100% expecting to see him refer to himself as the "supreme gentleman".

I'd chime in but Skip, you just got the best advice you will ever get, anywhere, from some of the most qualified guys on the planet.

And you know what's ironic about that? You got it for free.

Quote: (10-22-2014 07:31 PM)valmont Wrote:  

Seems like classic "good boy routine" was instilled in this guy from a young age. Probably conservative background, was told to stay away from girls, focus on homework and grades, then girls will magically "come to you". I have noticed black men from stable households tend to have overall less game than black men from unstable homes with less rules in place.

Stable households push the good boy routine too strongly in my opinion.

This was my life. And I sadly bought it hook line and sinker. Skip, you sound like me a few years ago. I'm educated, did great in school, worked all over the world, made a ton of money "Did everything right" So why wasn't I banging 9s (in either a casual or LTR sense)? Even now I'd say I'm still at the beginner stage.

One piece of advice. Open you mind, to just maybe, maybe the fact that everything you were told as a child, by parents, teachers, the media was wrong.

What finally did it for me was after being told for years 9s would come to me when they got to know me, coming up on 30, and losing out to 19 yo guys who were beating me 10 years ago at backpacker bars, asking when's it gonna happen? I tried money game, marginally better, but well into point of diminishing returns as you seem to be discovering. Not worth it. Why does my high school educated bartender friend, who makes a quarter of me, with no car and worth maybe 5k constantly have more and hotter women? If this happens in logic/science than that is evidence the "Do your homework" model is flawed and needs to be revised. This forum is where the model is revised.

And certainly not trying to race troll here, but more in support of Jariel, but Blink by Malcom Gladwell is a great book. It talks about how identical resumes with typical black names, get less call backs than ones with typical white names. How people can group faster "White face or Good words" compared to "Black faces or Bad words" from the random 4 items popping up, than they can vice versa. Its not right, its not fair. I'm merely trying to point out that stereotypes exist, even if people don't admit them. But they are there, so why not put them in your corner?

I wished the world was as I'd been led to believe too, would have saved me a lot of wasted time. But denying an unfortunate situation doesn't make it not so, it simply makes you a fool.

Quote: (10-23-2014 03:29 PM)jariel Wrote:  

This shit is like being on the Lakers, and calling timeout to run over to the T-Wolves' bench to tell them how they can score more points.

^^ nice one that's hilarious

This thread is a fucking trainwreck but I just read though it and it was the best 30 minutes of my day so far. Kudos to RVF.

OP you gotta get out of Vegas or change up your strategy it really is that simple. LTRs with US women are just really tricky and not advisable for the most part with certain exceptions. In Vegas it's even more true. You're trying to foist your values and expectations on women that are pretty much the complete opposite of what you're projecting onto them.

Importing women doesn't work either and they just soak up all the Feminist/victimology garbage and quickly become irrational, self-entitled spoiled jerks with no morals who expect the world. The laws are stacked against you too.

So listen to the guys who've posted here and just change up your strategy and stop spending so much $$$ on these girls. You can just 'tweak' it too at first and see how it goes doesn't have to be groundbreaking, just spend a little less, stop flashing the cash, etc. Also I'd say get more plates spinning. Don't do dinners anymore but meet up for drinks, hit up a pool party or do more afternoon walks/go hiking somewhere like Red Rocks or something like that. That or do take some stripper and go beer bowling....just generally mix it up and do some things you normally don't do....

Don't know if SkipSteps just wanted us to pat him on the back and tell him good job for all his provider game, and that it was the best strategy to take (It's not). Said that trying something different was "inorganic"?? Nothing wrong with experiments bruh.

You weren't happy with your results, do something different. What's one new major thing you're going to do for the next 30 days? Come back with your results.

I'm pretty sure this thread is now:

Askhole thread