[Duke Castile]

This thread is still going? Hasn't anyone pointed out that this guy is a game denialist that wants to hear "You should be getting laid like crazy with your awesome travel stories and your awesome taste in everything, just keep doing what you're doing".

Classic example of pretending to want advice but really wanting to be validated.

[Skip's Steps]

(10-23-2014 12:35 AM)xxMarco Wrote:  

I'm a vegas local, the stuff you're talking about fatties and flakes is common. There are also hotties that work in the industry in lots of places and there are women around. With your kind of cash I would say it is easier to get into a social circle with men of your caliber. I would say make connections with people in the industry, club managers, hosts, restaurant managers, etc. You really have to network your ass off and make some good connections.

Not trying to diss you, but from your posts in this thread your game sounds a little weak. You might have cash, but there are a lot of people in this city who pretend to have cash. You have to network and get your ass out there.

Vegas is a tough nut to crack. The locals here are very jaded and sporadically spoiled.

The women here have seen it all and done it all and expect something for nothing....they all have stories of being tossed 2 $500 chips by some high roller for bringing him a diet coke. I have never heard more women yap about being paid for their time like I have in Vegas. The army of promotional models types get paid to sit in night clubs as "atmosphere." I also believe that 75% of industry women are for sale. The sugar-daddy/arrangement culture is alive and well here.

Many of the women here are single moms and have been fucked over by a platoon of dudes and are a collection of bad decisions and instant gratification. Many of the dudes here lack jobs and live off their women.

Tourist guys come to Vegas with X amount of cash and are willing to spend 1000 of their 5k stash to simply have dinner with the girl who parks their car.

It's shocking.

Everyone here has a hustle and the place is full of lazy liars. In NYC if someone lies to you they have a decent story. In Vegas, I had a girl tell me she was a doctor. When I asked her what type she said for the head. Like head doctor as in BJ specialist? Nope, she sat through dinner with a straight face and maintained she was a real MD yet did not even know what a residency was.

Finally, some guys on here seem to think I am some nerdy poindexter cat. I'm not by any stretch, on the EC girls normally openly peg me as an "Ivy League Meat Head." The problem with being a well dressed black guy with muscles and a nice ride is that they locals think I am a pimp.

yes, P-I-M-P like chick betta have my money. Apparently, blacks with money are either returning NFLers or pimps. I wondered why black chicks would keep their head down when I speak to them at the club solo....I go out a lot and just stand at the bar at Hakashan and XS because I can't find a local who can afford to split a bottle and the I can't corral 3 industry girls together to get a comped bottle.

I did manage to date a bottle server at XS because I would take her out at 0400 in the am. The Industry girls basically sleep all day until 1900 and they can't have social lives because they work all night and sleep all day...a very weird existence.

[Brian Shima]

I would say get out of the strip and go after local girls who are normal and down to earth. Maybe middle class or blue collar types. But it seems like your "above that" so good luck with the fakes

[Saweeep]

It sounds like you hate vegas.

Why are you still there?

[Downtown]

(10-22-2014 09:51 PM)Skips Steps Wrote:  

Vegas is odd in that the hottest girls are with broke ass barbacks who get thees girls to pay their phone bills.

Once you understand this you will have all the answers my friend.

You wrote it yourself, now as yourself why that is?

[Skip's Steps]

(10-23-2014 03:56 AM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  

(10-22-2014 09:51 PM)Skips Steps Wrote:  

Thanks for your advice, but I am not striking out.

I did not bitch that I am not dating beautiful woman in Vegas. I am complaining that it costs a lot of effort and resources which I am ill-equipped to expend. Moreover, I am killing my savings earned from blood money downrange dropping 350 on dates with the bottle service types in Vegas.

Sorry bud, when you come to us asking for advice...

(10-20-2014 02:03 PM)Skips Steps Wrote:  

Any advice.

and then we give it to you (actually some resoundingly strong constructive criticism) and your response is that you aren't willing to try or change any of your approach, YES THAT IS BITCHING. It's not complaining, it's BITCHING.

(10-22-2014 09:51 PM)Skips Steps Wrote:  

Two sides of the same proverbial coin: they smash, I am intimate with them, but we come at it from two different angles. The bar-back is the fun guy and I am the serious guy. I am willing to pay for privilege of being the serious guy.

No, not two sides of the proverbial coin. You are so high and mighty, you think you're better than everyone else because you're "being intimate" or perhaps "making love" instead of "smashing" when we all know that you're still essentially fucking.

Somewhere you were taught that girls with intelligence and decorum are special snowflakes that a gentlemen should wine/dine and then make sweet love to.

You misunderstand women in general and especially those in Vegas. You are the prototypical pedestalizer. Worse, you're on a high horse that makes you think you should be able to reach the very best of them.

I hope for your sake that you begin to realize that when pretty much everyone is giving you different advice than what you want to hear, and what you think would work is failing heavily, YOU need to change. The only common thing with all those women you can't access is not that they're dating a barback...it's YOU in the interaction.

But sure, if you want to hear your answer parroted back to you, you can find it on the internet.

http://www.google.com will lead you there.

Only a fool would not alter his course of action if he was currently on the road to failure.

I am not above employing game;the suggestion to always ask a girl to use her bathroom when dropping her off is brilliant. However, I will not lie or misrepresent myself. I will not obtain the panties by fraudulent means.

I am certainly wiling to try something else as long as I stay true to myself.

The reason why I wrote intimate as opposed to a more vulgar term to indicate sex is that I am not anonymous on here. I am not ashamed of anything I post. There is no anonymity online. If a future boss read that I liked to take care of my gf and was frustrated that people in Vegas don't value my skill-set I can't see him or her getting too upset.

Vegas is a tough nut to crack for the industry types if you are not industry. These girls get hit on 20x a day and are offered amazing things for a night or an arrangement by out of towners. It's both worse and better than Miami--Vegas has more of towners and Cali moneyed types that side girls up and offer them $$$$ for sex while Miami has more smooth Latinos spitting game and legit international playboys.

[Skip's Steps]

(10-22-2014 07:25 PM)Gringuito Wrote:  

(10-22-2014 07:10 PM)Sebastian Wrote:  

So you were running a Loser game. Obviously american girls dont give a fuck since they are already in states and can buy amecrombie like stuffs on their own. You might want to try $2k a month, hang out with me once a week 'provider' game

I don't think that this is constructive. Everyone is trying to improve themselves here.

I used to try provider game when I thought it would get me what I wanted. I stopped doing that because it never gave me good results. The women turned into saints (wait for sex, they are good girls, etc.) and treated me coldly. When I started gaming I found that my results were much better. As soon as a girl says "shut up!" or "you're an asshole" I know I'm in.

Skip, take it from someone that can run the most extreme case of provider game possible. It really doesn't work very well on Western girls. You seem like a smart guy. It looks like you're figuring that out for yourself. That's why you're still here and didn't just leave when you read the initial critiques.

This is true. Women do place men into categories. I hate flakes. I despise people who do not keep their word. While being in the non serious category can get one laid easier, it comes with the tacit acknowledgment that she will ignore you at her pleasure. I prefer interacting with women who always answer their phone when you call because they value you (or what you can do for them).

I suppose if you had a stable it would not matter if 7/10 flaked because one still has three remaining options.

[Skip's Steps]

(11-02-2014 11:56 AM)Downtown Wrote:  

(10-22-2014 09:51 PM)Skips Steps Wrote:  

Vegas is odd in that the hottest girls are with broke ass barbacks who get thees girls to pay their phone bills.

Once you understand this you will have all the answers my friend.

You wrote it yourself, now as yourself why that is?

Simple: they are around them daily from 1030 to 0400. They are just there.

[Downtown]

(11-02-2014 12:24 PM)Skips Steps Wrote:  

(11-02-2014 11:56 AM)Downtown Wrote:  

(10-22-2014 09:51 PM)Skips Steps Wrote:  

Vegas is odd in that the hottest girls are with broke ass barbacks who get thees girls to pay their phone bills.

Once you understand this you will have all the answers my friend.

You wrote it yourself, now as yourself why that is?

Simple: they are around them daily from 1030 to 0400. They are just there.

you're on this site, read up. every dude on this board knows the answer to this question.

proximity is not it.

[tbone46]

100k/year in America does not make you rich enough to play "rich guy game" (anywhere, but especially in Vegas where actual rich guys are all around) and playing football at Harvard fifteen years ago sure as hell doesn't give you ability to play "athlete game". Im sorry but this whole thing reads like some cracked out version of "Married With children" except Al Bundy is black and has decided to go to Vegas and try to pick up strippers with stories of his glorious past and job as a shoe salesman. Actually this thing might make a good sitcom...

[Skip's Steps]

(10-23-2014 09:35 AM)pitt Wrote:  

(10-21-2014 09:01 AM)Gringuito Wrote:  

Skip,

Speaking from experience, using provider game on girls in the US does not work very well. (with notable exceptions) You need to be careful that you're relying too much on your money or ivy league background. This will come off as bragging/try-hard to the girls. You want to become the fun-guy that just happens to have money. You need to learn game and don't be an open book.

You were taught that if you worked hard, made money, stayed fit, then you would get the girl of your dreams. The reality is that US based girls want a guy that games them well and gives them tingles. They want the fun guy that puts them on the emotional roller coaster. They will accept a filthy rich guy for a while, but their heart won't be in it.

Your choice is whether you change yourself to better fit what the women like in Vegas or move somewhere else where the women value you as you are now.

THIS

I am sure you have spent some time abroad, this is probably why you understand OP.

OP on another thread said that he is an american with a slavic mentality. He is probably used to eastern european girls and I understand why he thinks that his game from EE could work in the US (but it does not).

The truth is that the rules change when you leave the western world. Women care more about what you have than what you look like or what type of game you have.

While having a ripped body, being good looking and being fun will get you laid in the western world, outside of it, they care more about what car do you have and what type of job do you have, it took me a while to understand this but that is the damn truth.

As other members said, you are now in the US, you need to run US based game, forget that expensive car and expensive dinners, it will probably do you more harm than good.

Also I see that OP has (strong) beta tendencies. He says he usually pays for their apartments and buys them Iphones when he is abroad. Why would you do that? Actually I understand that girls in poorer countries won't date you for too long if you are not spending money on them, but you have the option to pump and dump them.

If you are living the baller life as you say you are when you are travelling, you won't have problems meeting new women.

Last thing, move, you are probably wasting your time in the US with the international experience you have and the money you are making.

You speak from knowledge--mostly. You are correct that what works in E.Europe does not work in the US. It's just a different beast all together.

Where you err is your think veiled slight that I am a chump for paying for things. The fact is that if you want a woman to be your's you have to do these things. Full stop. It's a cultural thing. In the FSU and in other parts of Eastern Europe when the iron curtain fell the men had to travel to work to put bread on the table...maybe driving a cab in germany or maybe working in a fish market in Moscow. When the men are away from home for so long they often forgot about their old families and found a new one and consequently leaving their old family destitute. As long as a man sent money back he was still head of household and the family was in tack--the moment he stopped he was gone.

I travel a lot so that payment is a security payment. It's like paying off the cops in Bangkok if you want to open a bar there. It's just not an option not too.

I agree 100% that I need to bounce. I am waiting for a venture that I hatched that may be a game changer with the industry types. It should introduce a new element to the clubbing scene and generate some nice coin too. We'll see how it goes.

If it doesn't work I am off to CEU in BP or Capetown by 15 Jan.

[Lizard King]

Do you approach bro?

[Skip's Steps]

(11-02-2014 12:42 PM)tbone46 Wrote:  

100k/year in America does not make you rich enough to play "rich guy game" (anywhere, but especially in Vegas where actual rich guys are all around) and playing football at Harvard fifteen years ago sure as hell doesn't give you ability to play "athlete game". Im sorry but this whole thing reads like some cracked out version of "Married With children" except Al Bundy is black and has decided to go to Vegas and try to pick up strippers with stories of his glorious past and job as a shoe salesman. Actually this thing might make a good sitcom...

Funny.

It's tawdry to talk about money. Doing so successfully without coming off as a braggart is difficult to achieve in such a forum. The tone of my posts are more self-depreciating than ostentatious. That being said, I may need to provide some context.

First, income and cost of living vary widely by region. Nowhere is 100k balling out of control, but I can assure you that less than 10% of men in Vegas earn 100k a year. It's a blue collar city where the wages just aren't that high. I was negotiating salary for a VP job at major Casino Corp here--which everyone in Vegas thought I was crazy to turn down--and the salary was just barely over six--and this is for a Sr. Mgmt position in large gaming/resort consortium. One can get a home in country club on the golf course here for 300k (or could a few years ago). If you are buying bottles in XS, yea, it's expensive, but most locals don't go to the strip or they get the bottle comped.

As to my own pockets, I admit, I am not the man by any means. i know rich folk and I am not one of them.

That being said, some of you were not very attentive and much too dismissive in your quest to paint me an over the hill brown Al Bundy. BTW, Peggy is so my type

I worked exclusively in conflict zones from 2010 to 2013 and earned about 250K a year which was largely tax free and I had zero expenses. So even with trips to all major sporting events (winter and summer Olympics, world cup, Grand Prix) , getting a shoebox condo off of SUkumvhit in Bangkok, and taking 3 major vacations each year, I managed to save well over two years of salary...that's cash in the bank. It was blood money. It was dangerous..no girls and no social life. It was well earned I assure you. My personality has been negatively impacted because of it. i am not a laid back and easy going. I am intense, sterile, and politely aggressive.

***FYI: for a young guy to get ahead I would recommend it. A year or two max though...not 5/6 years like me. They have jobs ranging from complex policy gigs like mine, network engineers, civil engineers, food service workers, security specialists, accountants...it takes more than an Army to wage a war and rebuild a nation afterward ***

The money I earn now is largely free and clear with little tax exposure. It's not like my salary is on paper is 110k and I am taking home 70k a year in actual money. I have a little over 9K a month coming in and am dipping into my savings quite frequently to support the fun. Stupid, I know, but it is what it is.

I am not bragging in any way. Please don't think this. i am just providing context.

And even with these resources, I am still not pulling what i think I should. However, I may have unrealistic expectations as it appears that men much richer than I am get flaked on routinely here.

[Skip's Steps]

(11-02-2014 01:02 PM)Lizard King Wrote:  

Do you approach bro?

Not really. I tried but I can't get past the next step. I am handsome and have a warm smile but I cant get past the opening stage. My problem is that I look like a happy go lucky (perhaps mildly foolish type) but my words and demeanor are the opposite. it confuses people. The whole renaming of myself as Skippy is to affect a lighter, more jocular, and less serious aire. The problem is that I am an intense high energy guy and trying to be something else does not work for me. At work the women despairingly named me "Ari Bronze"---a play on Entourages Ari Gold.

[Travesty]

^^ Wait a minute Skip.

How much amazing pussy access would that casino VP position have landed you?

Wouldn't that be major boss status among the cocktail waitresses and front desk girls at the casino or maybe any girl in the service industry for being able to hook them or their friends up with jobs etc....?

"I'm VP of X casino"

Sounds like a decent pick up line in Vegas among locals and tourists alike.

[Lizard King]

(11-02-2014 02:27 PM)Skips Steps Wrote:  

(11-02-2014 01:02 PM)Lizard King Wrote:  

Do you approach bro?

Not really. I tried but I can't get past the next step. I am handsome and have a warm smile but I cant get past the opening stage. My problem is that I look like a happy go lucky (perhaps mildly foolish type) but my words and demeanor are the opposite. it confuses people. The whole renaming of myself as Skippy is to affect a lighter, more jocular, and less serious aire. The problem is that I am an intense high energy guy and trying to be something else does not work for me. At work the women despairingly named me "Ari Bronze"---a play on Entourages Ari Gold.

Free your mind, and your Game will follow.

[Gringuito]

(11-02-2014 12:50 PM)Skips Steps Wrote:  

I agree 100% that I need to bounce. I am waiting for a venture that I hatched that may be a game changer with the industry types. It should introduce a new element to the clubbing scene and generate some nice coin too. We'll see how it goes.

If it doesn't work I am off to CEU in BP or Capetown by 15 Jan.

That's great! From reading your posts you'll be much happier away from Vegas. The best way to look at it is that you could become the type of guy that the women in Vegas want to be with, you just wouldn't respect yourself anymore.

You also mentioned how flakey women in Vegas (or Miami, or NYC, etc) are. Any of the high SMV guys here that have been to South America, EE, or Asia start to be just as flakey once they have 20 girls lighting up their phones every night. The Vegas girls are just adapting to their environment. Can't blame them for that.

[Skip's Steps]

(11-02-2014 03:15 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  

^^ Wait a minute Skip.

How much amazing pussy access would that casino VP position have landed you?

Wouldn't that be major boss status among the cocktail waitresses and front desk girls at the casino or maybe any girl in the service industry for being able to hook them or their friends up with jobs etc....?

"I'm VP of X casino"

Sounds like a decent pick up line in Vegas among locals and tourists alike.

Yes, it's currency in the Vegas culture--a great benefits package too, as in lots of perks on their properties related to corporate spending accounts.

I am not willing to get a job in vegas to impress women....career, money, and women....in that order. i guess I will just stay an alien chump to the locals.

The job was in a niche area so I would not have have F&B pull or anything that most of hot industry types work in.

[xpatplayer]

Read some of G-Manifesto's posts and that will set you on track.

The best way to attract quality women is through living a quality lifestyle.

If you want to attract Queens, live like a King. Just don't go broke. Remember - women care more about tangibility than potential. Living a great lifestyle is better than having the potential to live a great lifestyle.

You seem smart and qualified and if you're from an Ivy, I'd suggest joining LinkedIn Alumni groups. If your credentials are as good as you claim, you will get a great job wherever you are. This will help you live a lifestyle which attracts the women you want.

[Skip's Steps]

(11-02-2014 05:34 PM)xpatplayer Wrote:  

Read some of G-Manifesto's posts and that will set you on track.

The best way to attract quality women is through living a quality lifestyle.

If you want to attract Queens, live like a King. Just don't go broke. Remember - women care more about tangibility than potential. Living a great lifestyle is better than having the potential to live a great lifestyle.

You seem smart and qualified and if you're from an Ivy, I'd suggest joining LinkedIn Alumni groups. If your credentials are as good as you claim, you will get a great job wherever you are. This will help you live a lifestyle which attracts the women you want.

Not really, my career currency is much like my relationship currency. If I want to work in a war zone great, here is a job for you, if I want to work stateside not so much so anymore. Just like with women, I have to target two levels down unless it's DC. I am a one trick Pony. I can deal with this.

People look at my resume and say cool, but how does that help us. A buddy of mine worked for the Agency for seven years and he had to get an MBA to transition back into the civilian world.

I will check out G-Manifesto--he seems much cooler than I am though.

PS the casino job probably was not upper management, it was realistically more like middle management. Good in the Vegas area and not a bad job, but not C-level or anything.

[peterthephoenix]

Quote:

Not really. I tried but I can't get past the next step. I am handsome and have a warm smile but I cant get past the opening stage. My problem is that I look like a happy go lucky (perhaps mildly foolish type) but my words and demeanor are the opposite. it confuses people. The whole renaming of myself as Skippy is to affect a lighter, more jocular, and less serious aire. The problem is that I am an intense high energy guy and trying to be something else does not work for me. At work the women despairingly named me "Ari Bronze"---a play on Entourages Ari Gold.

Should have brought this one up before.

Try to take this perspective without ego:

This sounds like probably one of your biggest blind-spots. The open-to-close model is at the very heart of the game, and it sounds like you have some major identity issues that make you feel like you need to be someone else around women in order to impress them. Not every player is the smooth James Bond, I know plenty of high-energy guys who get laid. Women can smell that kind of incongruency and it is unattractive.

You were too busy trying to plug this hole with lifestyle benefits, but the women in your circumstances will be capricious and fleeting, no matter what city you are in.

Work on your game. Decide who you are and how you want to come across to them, the vibe you want to project and the reasons why they would find you attractive. Approach people/women on the street and try to converse with them.

If you can seduce a woman from the street or the club without flashing any cash/benefits then the world is your oyster. The money is only brought in afterwards to give you access to a higher tier of women (VIP booths, events, great logistics)

Let me know your thoughts on this.

[Skip's Steps]

(11-02-2014 07:00 PM)peterthephoenix Wrote:  

Quote:

Not really. I tried but I can't get past the next step. I am handsome and have a warm smile but I cant get past the opening stage. My problem is that I look like a happy go lucky (perhaps mildly foolish type) but my words and demeanor are the opposite. it confuses people. The whole renaming of myself as Skippy is to affect a lighter, more jocular, and less serious aire. The problem is that I am an intense high energy guy and trying to be something else does not work for me. At work the women despairingly named me "Ari Bronze"---a play on Entourages Ari Gold.

Should have brought this one up before.

Try to take this perspective without ego:

This sounds like probably one of your biggest blind-spots. The open-to-close model is at the very heart of the game, and it sounds like you have some major identity issues that make you feel like you need to be someone else around women in order to impress them. Not every player is the smooth James Bond, I know plenty of high-energy guys who get laid. Women can smell that kind of incongruency and it is unattractive.

You were too busy trying to plug this hole with lifestyle benefits, but the women in your circumstances will be capricious and fleeting, no matter what city you are in.

Work on your game. Decide who you are and how you want to come across to them, the vibe you want to project and the reasons why they would find you attractive. Approach people/women on the street and try to converse with them.

If you can seduce a woman from the street or the club without flashing any cash/benefits then the world is your oyster. The money is only brought in afterwards to give you access to a higher tier of women (VIP booths, events, great logistics)

Let me know your thoughts on this.

I will certainly try it.

I just lack the ability to engage in silly small talk which is required when talking to women. I start talking about suppressing insurgencies, why the Russian economy will eventually collapse under Putin's cronyism, and why Nate Silver's political models rocks. Broads outside of DC and maybe Manhattan don't wanna hear that gibberish. I am not interesting to them--just annoying and maybe even weird.

Also, since my experiences are so alien to most people, I don't really have anything in common with people in Vegas.

It's not my city. I can accept that. Some shticks work well in some places but fall upon deaf ears in others. I actually do Ok in NYC and not bad in Seattle and LA...just not in Vegas.

[Brian Shima]

Why would you talk to girls about the Russian economy? I'm genuinely curious as to what makes you think a girl is going to want to talk about that

[peterthephoenix]

Quote:

I start talking about suppressing insurgencies, why the Russian economy will eventually collapse under Putin's cronyism, and why Nate Silver's political models rocks.

Like Brian said. This kind of conversation is not meant for 99% of women, as women who spend a lot of time digging into philosophy, politics and the economy rarely spend time on beauty or femininity.

Not only this, they appreciate you are intelligent, but in terms of attractive traits, it comes in lower on the priority scale.

Don't talk business around women. You save this for your male friends.

[Sourcecode]

Be yourself on the inside..but be what works on the outside.

Before I read up on this world, game, red pill whatever.

I hated going out, small talk, ect.
I am much more comfortable sitting inside on my laptop.
And reading current events.

But I know, none of that works with average people.
Most people don't care about current events,isis, stock markets etc.
So I quickly became a master of talking to the common person about anything. From a group of red neck mechanics to farmers...I can converse.
I still hate small talk..but it has a purpose.
If I was the that reads war news all day and used it every conversation, women would breeze by onto valet driver that has stories of driving all the rich guy's car.

It's hard to write well from my phone, but this is part of what I meant when I say, get off the horse and look around as a foot soldier