And looks like someone on Wiki has a similar sense of humor as you:

Quote: (08-12-2014 12:12 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  

Quote: (08-11-2014 07:35 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

Seriously dude?

WIA

Quote: (08-11-2014 08:15 PM)weambulance Wrote:  

I'm not a doctor but I am a trained (inexperienced) EMT and her facial swelling, especially the bruising on her eyes, says basilar skull fracture to me. You don't get facial swelling like that without smashing your face into something, or in this case having something smashed into your face. I can easily believe she has a handful of facial fractures based on the pictures alone.

The leg injury might be a hairline fracture somewhere, or just significant soft tissue damage that made her stiffen up so much she can't use her leg. Who knows, maybe she has torn muscles or tendon issues.

Don't know about the rib and liver, but if she had a lacerated liver it couldn't have been too bad or she would've A) bled to death or B) needed immediate surgery at the ER before she bled to death internally. However, I am positive I could give a woman internal bleeding with a single kick, and I'm also positive a pro MMA fighter can kick harder than I can, so I don't find her claim unrealistic.

I could show you a lot of injuries as a result of fighting between men where these were not experienced, strong fighters and one guy had his face really messed up. I am talking nose mushed into a pancake or to the side and the ridge split wide open.

I can show you pictures where teeth are missing and the jawline is out of position. All from amateur street fighting with no real power coming from it.

The human skull is designed to take a beating from the front, but not the face. She looks nowhere near as bad as she could be if this guy really wanted to smash her up or kill her.

Hell the fights I have been involved with some guys nose exploded upon impact. Her nose is basically untouched compared to what it should be had he used his full fists to the front of her face.

And your point is what, exactly? That you think I don't know what I'm talking about and that hey, she's just fine, raccoon eyes and severe facial swelling--which would cause me to transport her in a C-collar on a backboard due to the serious mechanism of injury to her head--notwithstanding?

Or are you simply saying oh, he could've beat her a lot harder, so this isn't a big deal? Dude. It doesn't take much to seriously fuck someone up. A friend of mine is blind in one eye from a single punch that broke his eye socket. He didn't look anywhere near as bad as Christy does in those pictures. You can die from a single punch to the head with no major facial damage at all because you suffered intracranial bleeding. Rare, but it happens. I would put half a magazine of hollowpoints in someone before I let them punch me in the face or head.

It should be obvious to anyone who has a clue about fighting that he was punishing her, not trying to kill her. Like that makes it any better?

I'm having a hard time figuring out what your motive is in, apparently, trying to play this off like it's not a big deal. I don't give a shit what street fights you've seen or been in. I've seen a hell of a lot of violence too including fun stuff like brains lying on the sidewalk, people blown to confetti, and bodies burned to skeletons from the chest down and somehow I can still recognize that beating someone like that is a big deal. Why can't you?

Edit - Diction

Poor girl.

Its been said, but I'll try it more succinctly. This relationship was clearly gasoline and fire. Take 1 part woman who's job is to dishonor herself, and is proud of it and combine that with 1 part man who is wired to dish out severe beating when angry. They overdosed on the drug of each other.

Quote: (08-11-2014 08:48 PM)monster Wrote:  

I know a dude like this - his whole self-paradigm is built on his being able to beat people up and that people are afraid of him.

Really fucked in the head.

News flash: "alpha male" is not about beating everyone up. It's about earning the respect legitimately through values and friendship.

Naw. It's not. War Machine is a top apex level Alpha, and a man whom would make 99.5% of men on earth flinch and look down.

This is "Alpha Male" shit.

He gives no fucks if you or anybody else don't respect him. He only lives to serve himself. This is what dudes get confused about with blue blood alphas. They really don't care. My views is that as a real man you have to have some level of compassion and humility to humble you enough to slow down and raise and provide for a kid and family, Apex Alphas don't have that shit and just continue on their ways. They are just as bad as the pandering and weak beta, just be opposite, society can't tolerate to many of both. It's just easy and more palatable to link the traits of REAL MEN to the tag of "Alpha males". So it's not right to shame this guy for being whom he is. Was it good? No. But I give zero fucks about the guy as this trouble always seems to find him that's his life and Christy Mack was drawn to it as a apex crazy female.

I've touched on this before but a lot of dudes get this whole "Alpha" thing twisted. Most men aren't built like it and hard wired for it. Most men are just real men but rugged Alpha dudes have no qualms in smacking you or a broad upside the head. They really don't care. Most top level alphas are head cases and raging bulls. They go through life taking what is theres and leaving a trail of carnage behind them and you either accept it or you don't.

My cousin is the "most alpha man on earth" and I've posted his stuff on here before. Not many people can claim with no flinch they have killed a man and continue to sip on a beer like its nothing. How does this come about? Because he only sees himself and nothing else. Laws, code, and morals don't apply unless they affect him, so things get taken care of to return that mean. Instead of counting his blessing that he dodged being killed by a gorilla fighter, he rages out and looked for the man for two days and fed him to crocodiles after he butchered him like a hog. War Machine would do the same shit too if in the same position on a war front as these men don't operate on any moral or societal codes, they are above that.

Does he have some crazy in him? Probably. But all top level ape Alphas do as the higher testosterone levels make them more intense and more prone to rage out.

My cousin also got mad at one of his girls one day like war machine and dragged her out his bedroom by her hair after he smaked her around, and threw her onto the street half naked after he gave her some head shots. Was she running to the cops or to the the neighbors for help? No. She was trying to beg to get back into the house to apologize and have sex. He let's her back in, fucks her, and then tells her to pack her shit in the AM. She said she wasn't leaving and he threw her out again and went back to sleep. I guess she was being shady and was tryna fuck his friends and he just got annoyed with it and snapped. Was that beta?

I'm ranting here but what I am getting at is to not shame a Alpha when he shows sporadic alpha behavior. These top apex guys lure in the most crazy women and they live on a rollercoster together of busted bottles and chins. The only thing that slows them down is death or maybe a kid.

Christy Mack is junk. She's full of plastic and looks like a cyborg, she is the poster child of the nasty American woman whom binges on tattoos, cake, coffee, and cocks.

WNB

Quote: (08-12-2014 02:34 PM)kosko Wrote:  

Quote: (08-11-2014 08:48 PM)monster Wrote:  

I know a dude like this - his whole self-paradigm is built on his being able to beat people up and that people are afraid of him.

Really fucked in the head.

News flash: "alpha male" is not about beating everyone up. It's about earning the respect legitimately through values and friendship.

Naw. It's not. War Machine is a top apex level Alpha, and a man whom would make 99.5% of men on earth flinch and look down.

This is "Alpha Male" shit.

He gives no fucks if you or anybody else don't respect him. He only lives to serve himself. This is what dudes get confused about with blue blood alphas. They really don't care. My views is that as a real man you have to have some level of compassion and humility to humble you enough to slow down and raise and provide for a kid and family, Apex Alphas don't have that shit and just continue on their ways. They are just as bad as the pandering and weak beta, just be opposite, society can't tolerate to many of both. It's just easy and more palatable to link the traits of REAL MEN to the tag of "Alpha males". So it's not right to shame this guy for being whom he is. Was it good? No. But I give zero fucks about the guy as this trouble always seems to find him that's his life and Christy Mack was drawn to it as a apex crazy female.

I've touched on this before but a lot of dudes get this whole "Alpha" thing twisted. Most men aren't built like it and hard wired for it. Most men are just real men but rugged Alpha dudes have no qualms in smacking you or a broad upside the head. They really don't care. Most top level alphas are head cases and raging bulls. They go through life taking what is theres and leaving a trail of carnage behind them and you either accept it or you don't.

My cousin is the "most alpha man on earth" and I've posted his stuff on here before. Not many people can claim with no flinch they have killed a man and continue to sip on a beer like its nothing. How does this come about? Because he only sees himself and nothing else. Laws, code, and morals don't apply unless they affect him, so things get taken care of to return that mean. Instead of counting his blessing that he dodged being killed by a gorilla fighter, he rages out and looked for the man for two days and fed him to crocodiles after he butchered him like a hog. War Machine would do the same shit too if in the same position on a war front as these men don't operate on any moral or societal codes, they are above that.

Does he have some crazy in him? Probably. But all top level ape Alphas do as the higher testosterone levels make them more intense and more prone to rage out.

My cousin also got mad at one of his girls one day like war machine and dragged her out his bedroom by her hair after he smaked her around, and threw her onto the street half naked after he gave her some head shots. Was she running to the cops or to the the neighbors for help? No. She was trying to beg to get back into the house to apologize and have sex. He let's her back in, fucks her, and then tells her to pack her shit in the AM. She said she wasn't leaving and he threw her out again and went back to sleep. I guess she was being shady and was tryna fuck his friends and he just got annoyed with it and snapped. Was that beta?

I'm ranting here but what I am getting at is to not shame a Alpha when he shows sporadic alpha behavior. These top apex guys lure in the most crazy women and they live on a rollercoster together of busted bottles and chins. The only thing that slows them down is death or maybe a kid.

Christy Mack is junk. She's full of plastic and looks like a cyborg, she is the poster child of the nasty American woman whom binges on tattoos, cake, coffee, and cocks.

WNB

Shaming isn't the right word here. Being a sociopath isn't "natural", it's a disruption of normal neurotransmitter levels. We could argue that yes, he's on the top end of some bell curve, but if that's the case I would argue that he's outside of the limits of humanity. If he's an animal that can't learn to control his instincts, then like a wild dog he should be put down.

You don't run around beating the shit out of people because you feel like it and you're "above the law". There's plenty of people who rode the lightning because of that.

Not white knighting, I've certainly seen enough of these type of cases now to know she almost definitely had some hand in it. But this guy's history makes it nearly certain (and you seem to agree) that he's not some innocent player in this. He'll be put in a cage for this, and it'll be the type of cage where you don't get to fight people and win high-dollar rewards. Hard to be an "apex alpha" when a bunch of guys ambush you, pin you down, and stick it in your ass in prison.

She played with fire and he showed why he should be in jail.

They provided the rest of the word a healthy lesson on damaged psyches on both ends.

They deserve each other.

Quote: (08-12-2014 01:55 PM)weambulance Wrote:  

Quote: (08-12-2014 12:12 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  

Quote: (08-11-2014 07:35 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

Seriously dude?

WIA

Quote: (08-11-2014 08:15 PM)weambulance Wrote:  

I'm not a doctor but I am a trained (inexperienced) EMT and her facial swelling, especially the bruising on her eyes, says basilar skull fracture to me. You don't get facial swelling like that without smashing your face into something, or in this case having something smashed into your face. I can easily believe she has a handful of facial fractures based on the pictures alone.

The leg injury might be a hairline fracture somewhere, or just significant soft tissue damage that made her stiffen up so much she can't use her leg. Who knows, maybe she has torn muscles or tendon issues.

Don't know about the rib and liver, but if she had a lacerated liver it couldn't have been too bad or she would've A) bled to death or B) needed immediate surgery at the ER before she bled to death internally. However, I am positive I could give a woman internal bleeding with a single kick, and I'm also positive a pro MMA fighter can kick harder than I can, so I don't find her claim unrealistic.

I could show you a lot of injuries as a result of fighting between men where these were not experienced, strong fighters and one guy had his face really messed up. I am talking nose mushed into a pancake or to the side and the ridge split wide open.

I can show you pictures where teeth are missing and the jawline is out of position. All from amateur street fighting with no real power coming from it.

The human skull is designed to take a beating from the front, but not the face. She looks nowhere near as bad as she could be if this guy really wanted to smash her up or kill her.

Hell the fights I have been involved with some guys nose exploded upon impact. Her nose is basically untouched compared to what it should be had he used his full fists to the front of her face.

And your point is what, exactly? That you think I don't know what I'm talking about and that hey, she's just fine, raccoon eyes and severe facial swelling--which would cause me to transport her in a C-collar on a backboard due to the serious mechanism of injury to her head--notwithstanding?

Or are you simply saying oh, he could've beat her a lot harder, so this isn't a big deal? Dude. It doesn't take much to seriously fuck someone up. A friend of mine is blind in one eye from a single punch that broke his eye socket. He didn't look anywhere near as bad as Christy does in those pictures. You can die from a single punch to the head with no major facial damage at all because you suffered intracranial bleeding. Rare, but it happens. I would put half a magazine of hollowpoints in someone before I let them punch me in the face or head.

It should be obvious to anyone who has a clue about fighting that he was punishing her, not trying to kill her. Like that makes it any better?

I'm having a hard time figuring out what your motive is in, apparently, trying to play this off like it's not a big deal. I don't give a shit what street fights you've seen or been in. I've seen a hell of a lot of violence too including fun stuff like brains lying on the sidewalk, people blown to confetti, and bodies burned to skeletons from the chest down and somehow I can still recognize that beating someone like that is a big deal. Why can't you?

Edit - Diction

You're not understanding this at all. People are coming out with "oh my gawd he coulda killed her!" Seriously?

The guy has a screw loose, is a big strong guy and has hate in his veins. Does this look like a woman who went on the receiving end of a beating which was intended to kill her?

No it does not.

He slapped her around a little. This social media "oh my gawd" outrage over a woman who is out to deal with guys who name themselves War Machine is over the top.

Yes she got beat, no it isn't a good thing but please don't stand there and say you're really shocked and gutted for her and think how she could of ended up worse. That is a bit much.

Ps: I know full well a man can die from one punch.

Quote: (08-12-2014 12:56 AM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Quote: (08-11-2014 09:43 PM)MdWanderer Wrote:  

In America: being a piece of shit human being > being a productive member of society

I respectfully, yet, strongly disagree.

A productive person will get much further in America compared to a "piece of shit human being", on average.

Yes, I agree that a productive person will get by more than the POS. I'd rather be working, making money and enjoying life than sitting in a jail cell getting love letters from bad boy worshippers. But look at who's glorified in the media. Look at all the women who chase 'bad boys' when they are young. We have soldiers that lose their lives every day and nobody cares. But if some rapper or trashy reality TV star kicked the bucket there will be vigils in the streets.

Here's the podcast I talked about:



He starts talking about his life at 21:11. The part about his mom being a drug addict and him blacking out and nearly killing his stepdad is a red flag for anyone. I heard this guy talk for all of 3 hours and in that time I knew he wasn't anyone to fuck around with. I don't think it's anti-woman to simply wonder what role she played in all of this. Because this guy is a lighthouse beacon of crazy, a ticking time bomb. You can tell in his fidgeting and nervous speech.

War Machine reminds me of Lenny from the book "Of Mice and Men". He's incredibly stupid, strong, violent but sort of a nice guy underneath it all. Its obvious that there's a level of rage and aggression that he has absolutely zero control over.

She had been dating this guy for how long? She must have been ignoring red flag after red flag, that or the red flags actually turned her on. Watch this video: http://www.tmz.com/videos/0_ju2fns95/ It seems to me like she's taking little jabs at him to provoke him. Camille Paglia talked about this in one of her books. Sometimes crazy people like this in violent relationships become addicted to the fight.

I'm not saying that shes completely undeserving of sympathy, but I feel worse for the guy who got his ass kicked. Imagine fucking a hot chick and her not telling you that her crazy, violent boyfriend has the keys to her house and could show up ready to kill you both at any given moment.

That's not basilar skull fracture, if it was you'd see HEAVY bruising along the eyes/eyelid and below/behind the ear. Also, a common sympton is "raccoon eyes" which she is clearly lacking In the pictures. Also, a basilar skull fracture is EXTREMELY rare.

In the bottom left picture, the lighting is purposely (I assume) used to make the bruises more profound.

Her bruising seems to be more common with a fractured nose (nose bridge to be exact). I'm thinking multiple minor facial fractures.

I highly doubt she had a lacerated liver. I don't see how she could have ran out the door and hopped the fence and knocked on "multiple" neighbors doors with a lacerated liver and multiple stab wounds. With the rib injury she described, she'd have trouble breathing on top of everything else. I'm not sure an adrenaline rush would have been enough of a boost to do all of that.

Also, she says she didn't want the dogs to come in and tip him off. If she was getting her ass whopped the dogs would already know and would be barking at the door, ready to jump in and attack. I'm not an animal expert so don't quote me on that.

I'm not defending "war machine" as I think he should go to prison.

Quintus Curtius,

Thanks for the thoughtful reply!

I do agree with most of what you said.

However, I am going to play "devils advocate" here with a few issues.

I don't know why, but this issue is very personal to me.

Actually, I do know why..

I see myself in the "War Machine" and in the "porn star".

I was exposed to violence and sex at any early age.

I hope my perspective gives some insight into this world.

You know that I am not challenging you on a personal level, I just feel the need to write this stuff as part of this discussion..

Quote: (08-12-2014 01:32 AM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

When I used the word "evil" to describe them, what I meant was something different:

I meant that their inability to control the primitive and base urges in their characters had turned them from rational beings into depraved beings.

Okay, thanks for clarifying..

Inability to "control primitive and base urges" does not make someone "evil".

Many children can not control their "primitive" "urges". This does not make them "evil".

Again, I don't believe in "evil".

There is no evidence to support the existence of any supernatural force, good or evil.

Quote: (08-12-2014 01:32 AM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

these lost souls into beasts.

I'm not sure what you mean by "lost souls".

There is no evidence to support the existence of a "soul".

Please explain..

Quote: (08-12-2014 01:32 AM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

With regard to men, character must be molded and shaped through strict discipline, training of the mind, training of the body, and assumption of roles of greater and greater responsibility.

I like that. I agree.

Except, I don't know if it is always necessary to take on "greater and greater responsibility".

In fact, in my life, I have become happier with less and less responsibility.

I feel a great responsibility to myself. For me, all other responsibilities pale in comparison.

(I don't have any children)

Quote: (08-12-2014 01:32 AM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

This man fell victim to his animal urges, and became like an animal.

I believe he was born an animal, literally, I believe that we are all born animals.

He was not able to control his impulses according to modern American standards.

1000 years ago, he might have been knighted in the king's army for his violent actions.

Well, beating up a girl might not have gotten him knighted, but, my point is that violent men were once celebrated for their ability to protect.

Now, in modern America, they are often shamed.

Until we need oil, or, our freedom is threatened, or we get into a political beef with another nation.

When that happens we have no problem with using violence.

Quote: (08-12-2014 01:32 AM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

These two made their choices, and felt the results.

They made choices but what were their options?

We have "free will" to choose but we don't have "free will" over the complete situation.

I was born to father that was a pimp, drug dealer, and criminal.

I didn't choose this. I didn't choose to have my mind exposed to that.

I didn't choose to have my brain wired in that way.

My mother was also criminalistic in some ways.

I didn't choose to be exposed to violence, the drug trade, and the sex trade.

I choose to go a different way..

But, I didn't choose the situation that I was born into.

It took me many years to re-wire my brain.

I went to jail before I could completely escape that life.

I guess my point is that we don't always choose our situation.

Sometimes, the situation chooses us.

***

Don't get me wrong,

I think what he did was stupid.

Quote: (08-12-2014 02:34 PM)kosko Wrote:  

War Machine is a top apex level Alpha

I agree.

Alpha is built on violence.

That is not politically correct, but, that is my feeling about the natural world.

How do animals eat? Violence

How do animals protect their families? Violence.

How did America acquire its land? Violence.

How do we secure our natural resources like oil? Violence.

How do we keep peace? The Threat of Violence.

America goes to war every 10 years or so. We do this to protect our interests. We use violence.

If we didn't, someone else would use violence against us.

***

Evolution itself, is often determined through violence.

- 20% of the people in China are related to Genghis Khan.

- Imperialist nations take over other nations.

- Tribes conquer other tribes

- New races of people are created.

How does this happen?

Through violence.

***

Almost every animal on earth will instinctively fight for his life when it is threatened.

Almost every animal on earth will kill in order to eat.

In fact, most animals will not eat unless they kill something.

Violence is an ugly thing, but, I believe that is a completely normal part of nature.

***

I do not condone human on human violence, but, I do know that it is necessary on occasion.

I'm just pointing out that violent males have literally dictated the direction that our species goes.

I do not shame men for being violent. I shame them for being stupid with their violence.

He'll go to prison and in the meantime she'll have a couple of short term relationships with reasonably nice, normal guys who have money and can benefit her.

Soon though, she'll start craving the violent psycho cock again and will take up with a similar type guy who will also beat her ass. She'll write and visit War Machine in prison and tell her friends "I still love him". And the cycle continues.

Shrug. Like I said, inexperienced EMT, not doctor. My trauma experience is almost exclusively of the bomb/bullet variety.

Quote: (08-12-2014 02:34 PM)kosko Wrote:  

Quote: (08-11-2014 08:48 PM)monster Wrote:  

I know a dude like this - his whole self-paradigm is built on his being able to beat people up and that people are afraid of him.

Really fucked in the head.

News flash: "alpha male" is not about beating everyone up. It's about earning the respect legitimately through values and friendship.

Naw. It's not. War Machine is a top apex level Alpha, and a man whom would make 99.5% of men on earth flinch and look down.

This is "Alpha Male" shit.

He gives no fucks if you or anybody else don't respect him. He only lives to serve himself. This is what dudes get confused about with blue blood alphas. They really don't care. My views is that as a real man you have to have some level of compassion and humility to humble you enough to slow down and raise and provide for a kid and family, Apex Alphas don't have that shit and just continue on their ways. They are just as bad as the pandering and weak beta, just be opposite, society can't tolerate to many of both. It's just easy and more palatable to link the traits of REAL MEN to the tag of "Alpha males". So it's not right to shame this guy for being whom he is. Was it good? No. But I give zero fucks about the guy as this trouble always seems to find him that's his life and Christy Mack was drawn to it as a apex crazy female.

I've touched on this before but a lot of dudes get this whole "Alpha" thing twisted. Most men aren't built like it and hard wired for it. Most men are just real men but rugged Alpha dudes have no qualms in smacking you or a broad upside the head. They really don't care. Most top level alphas are head cases and raging bulls. They go through life taking what is theres and leaving a trail of carnage behind them and you either accept it or you don't.

My cousin is the "most alpha man on earth" and I've posted his stuff on here before. Not many people can claim with no flinch they have killed a man and continue to sip on a beer like its nothing. How does this come about? Because he only sees himself and nothing else. Laws, code, and morals don't apply unless they affect him, so things get taken care of to return that mean. Instead of counting his blessing that he dodged being killed by a gorilla fighter, he rages out and looked for the man for two days and fed him to crocodiles after he butchered him like a hog. War Machine would do the same shit too if in the same position on a war front as these men don't operate on any moral or societal codes, they are above that.

Does he have some crazy in him? Probably. But all top level ape Alphas do as the higher testosterone levels make them more intense and more prone to rage out.

My cousin also got mad at one of his girls one day like war machine and dragged her out his bedroom by her hair after he smaked her around, and threw her onto the street half naked after he gave her some head shots. Was she running to the cops or to the the neighbors for help? No. She was trying to beg to get back into the house to apologize and have sex. He let's her back in, fucks her, and then tells her to pack her shit in the AM. She said she wasn't leaving and he threw her out again and went back to sleep. I guess she was being shady and was tryna fuck his friends and he just got annoyed with it and snapped. Was that beta?

I'm ranting here but what I am getting at is to not shame a Alpha when he shows sporadic alpha behavior. These top apex guys lure in the most crazy women and they live on a rollercoster together of busted bottles and chins. The only thing that slows them down is death or maybe a kid.

Christy Mack is junk. She's full of plastic and looks like a cyborg, she is the poster child of the nasty American woman whom binges on tattoos, cake, coffee, and cocks.

WNB

There's a big difference between being an alpha male and being a fucking asshole. This guy is just a fucking asshole.

I looked at his twitter account @WarMachineXXX and he posts about only 4 things:

1) picking fights with the UPS delivery driver (seriously) - who does this???
2) complaining how people he thought were his friends betrayed him
3) he's the biggest mackdaddy of all time cause he's a suitcase pimp for some porn star
4) "buy my tee's that say 'I'm an Alpha Male'"

I've found that people who constantly need to publicly remind everyone that they are word-for-word "an alpha male" are not alpha males, they're just fucking assholes. He keeps complaining about how all his closest friends end up "stabbing him in the back" well, news flash, it's because he doesn't give a shit about anyone but himself.

Alpha males do not have to be the typical "provider," but they have to provide for themselves. And they do this by building the 3 necessities of life: friendships/relationships, wealth, and health. The only thing this guy could do his stay healthy, and couldn't keep any friends or money for shit. Textbook fucking asshole.

And if you want to draw evolutionary comparisons to alpha males in the wild: the alpha male silverback gorilla is not only the strongest of the group, but just as important he's the patriarch that ensures there's a modicum of respect and friendships between all the others in his tribe so that they remain a cohesive tribe that can propagate and defend themselves against others.

Quote: (08-12-2014 04:02 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  

Quote: (08-12-2014 01:55 PM)weambulance Wrote:  

Quote: (08-12-2014 12:12 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  

Quote: (08-11-2014 07:35 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

Seriously dude?

WIA

Quote: (08-11-2014 08:15 PM)weambulance Wrote:  

I'm not a doctor but I am a trained (inexperienced) EMT and her facial swelling, especially the bruising on her eyes, says basilar skull fracture to me. You don't get facial swelling like that without smashing your face into something, or in this case having something smashed into your face. I can easily believe she has a handful of facial fractures based on the pictures alone.

The leg injury might be a hairline fracture somewhere, or just significant soft tissue damage that made her stiffen up so much she can't use her leg. Who knows, maybe she has torn muscles or tendon issues.

Don't know about the rib and liver, but if she had a lacerated liver it couldn't have been too bad or she would've A) bled to death or B) needed immediate surgery at the ER before she bled to death internally. However, I am positive I could give a woman internal bleeding with a single kick, and I'm also positive a pro MMA fighter can kick harder than I can, so I don't find her claim unrealistic.

I could show you a lot of injuries as a result of fighting between men where these were not experienced, strong fighters and one guy had his face really messed up. I am talking nose mushed into a pancake or to the side and the ridge split wide open.

I can show you pictures where teeth are missing and the jawline is out of position. All from amateur street fighting with no real power coming from it.

The human skull is designed to take a beating from the front, but not the face. She looks nowhere near as bad as she could be if this guy really wanted to smash her up or kill her.

Hell the fights I have been involved with some guys nose exploded upon impact. Her nose is basically untouched compared to what it should be had he used his full fists to the front of her face.

And your point is what, exactly? That you think I don't know what I'm talking about and that hey, she's just fine, raccoon eyes and severe facial swelling--which would cause me to transport her in a C-collar on a backboard due to the serious mechanism of injury to her head--notwithstanding?

Or are you simply saying oh, he could've beat her a lot harder, so this isn't a big deal? Dude. It doesn't take much to seriously fuck someone up. A friend of mine is blind in one eye from a single punch that broke his eye socket. He didn't look anywhere near as bad as Christy does in those pictures. You can die from a single punch to the head with no major facial damage at all because you suffered intracranial bleeding. Rare, but it happens. I would put half a magazine of hollowpoints in someone before I let them punch me in the face or head.

It should be obvious to anyone who has a clue about fighting that he was punishing her, not trying to kill her. Like that makes it any better?

I'm having a hard time figuring out what your motive is in, apparently, trying to play this off like it's not a big deal. I don't give a shit what street fights you've seen or been in. I've seen a hell of a lot of violence too including fun stuff like brains lying on the sidewalk, people blown to confetti, and bodies burned to skeletons from the chest down and somehow I can still recognize that beating someone like that is a big deal. Why can't you?

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You're not understanding this at all. People are coming out with "oh my gawd he coulda killed her!" Seriously?

The guy has a screw loose, is a big strong guy and has hate in his veins. Does this look like a woman who went on the receiving end of a beating which was intended to kill her?

No it does not.

He slapped her around a little. This social media "oh my gawd" outrage over a woman who is out to deal with guys who name themselves War Machine is over the top.

Yes she got beat, no it isn't a good thing but please don't stand there and say you're really shocked and gutted for her and think how she could of ended up worse. That is a bit much.

Ps: I know full well a man can die from one punch.

You know what man? Fuck that shit. You say you know someone can die from a single punch the breath after you say she couldn't have ended up worse. Make up your mind! Either punches to the head are dangerous and can kill, or they're not and this is just overblown. You can't have it both ways. Just because her nose didn't explode doesn't mean she couldn't have died. He didn't give her those injuries with an open handed slap.

That she was lucky is not an opinion, it's a fact.

I already said it was clear his intention was not to kill her, that he was punishing her. Guess you didn't bother to actually read what I said. Regardless of intent, she still could have died from blows to the head. If I shoot someone in the leg intending to just wound them, and they die because I hit their femoral artery, my intent doesn't mean a god damn thing.

Now go ahead and find in my posts where I was tearing my hair out and putting all the blame on the guy. I'll wait.
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Oh yeah, you're not going to find that because that isn't what I said.

Yeah, sometimes the right response is an open handed slap or spanking a woman. Sure. However, in this situation how is even that justified, let alone a beating that knocked out teeth and broke bones in her face? Just because she's not a role model for the kind of women I like, I'm supposed to cheer her injuries? Sorry bro, I'm too objective for that. I don't care if she was a penny whore, she doesn't deserve to get hospitalized because some emotionally retarded chump is jealous.

I'm sick of people trivializing violence, and that's exactly what you're doing. Go ahead and walk through life thinking smacking someone around isn't a big deal. I don't care if I change your mind. If you get double tapped or carved up because you picked a fight with the wrong guy (or girl), that's your business. Hopefully some of the younger guys here will read this and understand that violence in real life is nothing like violence on TV and is not to be taken lightly.

Quote: (08-12-2014 04:53 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Quote: (08-12-2014 02:34 PM)kosko Wrote:  

War Machine is a top apex level Alpha

I agree.

Alpha is built on violence.

That is not politically correct, but, that is my feeling about the natural world.

How do animals eat? Violence

How do animals protect their families? Violence.

How did America acquire its land? Violence.

How do we secure our natural resources like oil? Violence.

How do we keep peace? The Threat of Violence.

America goes to war every 10 years or so. We do this to protect our interests. We use violence.

If we didn't, someone else would use violence against us.

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Evolution itself, is often determined through violence.

- 20% of the people in China are related to Genghis Khan.

- Imperialist nations take over other nations.

- Tribes conquer other tribes

- New races of people are created.

How does this happen?

Through violence.

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Almost every animal on earth will instinctively fight for his life when it is threatened.

Almost every animal on earth will kill in order to eat.

In fact, most animals will not eat unless they kill something.

Violence is an ugly thing, but, I believe that is a completely normal part of nature.

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I do not condone human on human violence, but, I do know that it is necessary on occasion.

I'm just pointing out that violent males have literally dictated the direction that our species goes.

I do not shame men for being violent. I shame them for being stupid with their violence.

You're right that Alpha is built on violence. But it's built on violence for survival. We need to survive to propagate the species.

What he did is anti-survival because women (even this odd freakish one) are the givers of life and when you harm them, you harm the survival of the species. This is the biological reason we grieve over the deaths of young women more than young men. There are fewer eggs than sperm, as we all know, so eggs are more highly valued.

It's also anti-survival since he's probably going to go to prison, and his chances of propagating the species will be decreased there.

To take this a step further, if you define Alpha as "violent" per se, then child abuse would be "Alpha." But damaging your own spawn is counter-productive to the survival of the species -- esp. your own contribution to it. So it's anti-Alpha.

@Giovonny:

Thanks much for your considerate responses. I'll try to expand on what I said earlier. I happen to believe in a few things that I can't really "prove" in a rational sense. They have to be taken on belief and experience.

The first thing is that I do believe we have a soul of some sort. I can't prove this, of course. Hell, the greatest philosophical minds in history occupied themselves with trying to prove or disprove it. It really comes down to what "school" of philosophy we believe in. Are we Platonists? Epicureans? Stoics? Academics? Materialists?

I believe it because I feel it to be so. That's the best I can explain it. To explain further would plunge us into mystical waters that would only end up boring most readers here.

I also believe that what chiefly separates us from the animals is the gift of civilization. Without that, we are just trousered apes, running around in the jungle. If we want to live in a civilized way, we are expected to behave in a certain way. We're expected to control our primeval impulses. We're expected to restrain our baser urges. Man does not like these restrictions. But without them, there is only chaos, not civilization.

We're all animals, of course. Some of us are able to live productive lives. Some of us make mistakes, and pay the price. We all pay a price in one way or another. You pay a price. I pay a price. This guy War Machine is going to pay his own price. Maybe he will be a better man for it. Maybe this is what he needed to bring himself under control.

Beneath each of our skins lurks the face of a tiger, ever ready to revert to barbarism. That is important to understand. Unless we learn to rein in our passions and control ourselves, then we will very quickly run off the rails. The purpose of education and socialization is to implant some sort of moral code in us, so that we don't kill, rape, attack, or steal.

That's what I was trying to say, mostly.

I don't think these two people are beyond hope. No one is beyond hope. But I am saying that they were either (1) victims of bad environments that made them make bad decisions, or (2) they allowed themselves to go off the rails.

Either way, life can be unforgiving. Yes, there are many young children who are products of bad environments and are victimized by that. They don't learn good things. But life is hard in this way. Sometimes some people pay higher prices than others. Some of us suffer more than others. Only those who know the meaning of suffering can really understand this.

Some people have to work harder than others, due to no fault of their own. I know this. I know that the only thing that separates me from some unfortunate who I have to visit in jail is one chance of Fate. That is the truth.

That's why I believe in the saying, "There but for the Grace of God go I." Which means, I could have been in the other guy's shoes. And I judge a man not by where he is, but by how far he came.

But even though environment and heredity play a big role in our destiny, we also have the power of free will. Don't take environment too far. We do have some say over what we do. Yes, some people have to work harder. Some people pay a higher price. But we do have some free will.
We have to take some control over our own Fate.

I remember hearing you, Giovonny, on McQueen's podcast some months ago. I thought you sounded like a good man. You were honest about your background and experience. You weren't hiding anything or pretending to be something you were not. So I admired this. You were speaking openly and without fake filters. That's why I'm responding at length here. Otherwise I wouldn't be saying these things.

So, that's why I see these two people as people who have strayed off the path. I use the word "evil" in a metaphoric way.

The one thing I would like to say also is that I don't think this man (War Machine) is a man to be admired. Someone here said he was an "alpha" male as if he is someone to be admired.

I don't think this is true. Being an alpha male to me is someone who is an exemplar among his peers, a leader of men, a paragon of masculinity, a "demigod" in the classic sense. Just because aggression is at the core of the male identity, doesn't mean that it should be expressed as open violence. These forces need to be channeled into productive uses.

That's one of the main tasks of life. We have to learn how to build canals to channel our baser urges, so we can harness them to our own productive ends. If we don't do this, we descend into barbarism.

This fellow was none of these things. He was a man who was raging out of control, a man who by whatever circumstance of upbringing, accident, or choice, did some bad things. The only question for him now is: how is he going to rebuild his life? He has a future, but he will have to build it for himself. To do this, he will have to make some big changes.

Maybe his punishment will be the best thing for him. Prison is not the worst thing in the world.

Being without a soul, that is the worse thing in the world.

So that's what I think, if you want to hear it.

Let's put it this way..even in the most "alpha" of societies ie. The Mongol khanate if this guy couldn't keep it together and was constantly lashing out at fellow hordesmen he would eventually be put down like a wild dog in the most brutal fashion. An unpredictable violent man prone to irrational acts of destruction is not useful for anyone. You can't really harness their violence for productive means and they are too mentally crippled to do anything else. It's better to just put them to the sword.

http://www.mmamania.com/2014/8/12/599675...ine-arrest

"In fact, "Dog" has been on the case for several days, way before the warrants for "War Machine" were issued earlier this week. Indeed, he's already completed most of his investigation -- spoken with ]friends, family and others, etc. -- and is set to start pounding the pavement in search of the mixed martial arts (MMA) veteran ... with camera crew in tow.

Not before, however, he gave "War Machine" the opportunity to turn himself in. He's already imposed a six-hour deadline, one that expired at 8 p.m. ET. In other words, the hunt for "War Machine" is officially on."

This guy is using the same amount of force on her that he uses on people who are trying to kill him.

Here's an example of another guy, albeit not an MMA, but still a guy who makes a living from looking like a primal caveman.




In one situation you have a guy dealing with a guy who broke into his house, in the other it's guy vs. a woman that he let into his life.

Big difference in how they deal.

My takeaway from all of this is that there is way too much beta waves in the air.

A real alpha knows not to trust women. He doesn't put his life in her hands in any kind of way.

If you have abundance, why would you put so much focus into one woman? Why would you ruin your life over it?

It's just pussy.

SJWs at Bloodyelbow:

Opinion: The MMA community can prove something positive by helping Christy Mack

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It's becoming an orgy of recrimination, finger-wagging, and navel-gazing about the state of mixed martial arts, celebrity culture, or the modern world in general. This is not the important thing.

The important thing is Christy Mack. It is important because this is almost the only element which can be positively affected by you, the reader. This is a young woman who has been horribly beaten.

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She did not "deserve it." Those who claim that she did because she should never have never been with him in the first place are, plainly put, stupid. Many have commented on how Koppenhaver appeared to have turned over a new leaf. In addition, relationship dynamics are complicated and powerful things: hard to understand from the outside, harder to change from the inside.

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However, if you are genuinely upset by what occurred, or if you are an MMA fan who wants to prove that the community is not just about mindless violence, or even violent retribution for violence inflicted, then you can donate to Christy Mack's medical expense fund here:

Lol at paying this girl's medical bills to prove MMA isn't just about "mindless violence". If the important "thing" was Christy Mack then why should we pay precisely to protect the "state of mixed martial arts" which the author previously suggested dismissing?

There's more at the link but the entire article reads like typical blue pill dross excusing Mack of any accountability in what happened to her while simultaneously painting War Machine as some kind of comically villainous figure.

While we'll never know the truth about what really happened it's hard to feel too much sympathy for her or any woman who puts her physical health at risk repeatedly for bad boy vagina tingles. Similarly, while War Machine the individual is the product of unfortunate circumstances he should be held accountable and incarcerated for the consequences of his actions.

I'd be surprised if they aren't back together within a year.

Crazy she already has raised 45K. Plenty of women get abused but this porn star gets a fund raiser? Sorry, the world is too confusing for me. Time to start doing heavy drugs

Quote: (08-12-2014 06:20 PM)monster Wrote:  

There's a big difference between being an alpha male and being a fucking asshole. This guy is just a fucking asshole.

I looked at his twitter account @WarMachineXXX and he posts about only 4 things:

1) picking fights with the UPS delivery driver (seriously) - who does this???

Ha. I fucking hate UPS and I've gotten into it with drivers before. They're on my list right up there with CalTrans (the california dept. of transportation)

Was that alpha?