Chinese guys must have game, there are a billion of them. So someone is fucking!

Quote: (06-26-2014 05:23 PM)ao85 Wrote:  

I remember you said that speaking Chinese during the day got a big response. For a non-white/non-ABC, is there a significant difference between the response you get speaking Chinese during the day vs. at night? According to what you wrote it seems like with the ratios and bitch shields unfavorable in the clubs, something that would peak interest during the day just doesn't cut it at night?

Correct - the girls you meet in the day are not the same ones you meet at night. BY FAR!

Basically, if you're in a club - you damn near need to pull rabbits out of your ass to impress some of those girls.

On the other hand, anything further than Ni3hao3ma0 will turn heads.

Black dudes have no trouble in China. The two biggest players I knew in Shanghai were both black. Vincent and Joris, maybe some of you China cats even know of these two.

The black dudes I saw in Shanghai were with white girls. Seemed like the Chinese weren't very open to them.

That makes sense about Taiwan, since they seem more Westernized and open minded than the mainland.

Black dudes with white gals in China? LMAO! What a waste! I bet that pumped up the ego of those white gals times 100!! However, I gave it some thought and I now wonder if that gave any of those guys any pre-validation game boosts or not....Would make for an interesting experiment, but it would probably be heavily dependent upon the level of hotness the white girl would have to have and she would probably have to be "Chinese girl skinny" for it to really work. Only Russian gals tend to be skinny like that.

Kai its an interesting point you raise, but it actually might not require the girls to be that skinny. As I am sure you've seen, blonde and/or nordic features can also have a very strong impact on Chinese. A friend, a Vegas based architect, who's blonde wife was in her 50's, was very much the subject of attention by many Chinese men during a trade junket I went on. Establishing value with the guys would of course help establish value with girls as well, and so I think blonde could actually be more significant than being Chinese-thin. What do you think?

Quote: (06-28-2014 08:50 AM)Dagnasty Wrote:  

Quote: (06-26-2014 05:23 PM)ao85 Wrote:  

I remember you said that speaking Chinese during the day got a big response. For a non-white/non-ABC, is there a significant difference between the response you get speaking Chinese during the day vs. at night? According to what you wrote it seems like with the ratios and bitch shields unfavorable in the clubs, something that would peak interest during the day just doesn't cut it at night?

Correct - the girls you meet in the day are not the same ones you meet at night. BY FAR!

Basically, if you're in a club - you damn near need to pull rabbits out of your ass to impress some of those girls.

On the other hand, anything further than Ni3hao3ma0 will turn heads.

I’ve never tried club game on any Chinese women; I can speak a few words of Mandarin via Pimsleur and Rosetta Stone, but not enough to hold a conversation.

I hope this isn’t a thread derail, but in my experience in the US:

Mainland Chinese LOVE it when they hear a non-Chinese male (such as myself) speak Mandarin. I’ve gotten a couple of mainland Chinese bangs in the US via online dating due to them being impressed by the fact that I know some words of Mandarin.

They’re also impressed if you ask them where they’re from and if you know something about it, especially if they’re not from Shanghai or Beijing (everybody has heard of Shanghai and Beijing). I sometimes mention that I used to date a woman from their city, but things didn’t work out because she had to move away or some BS like that. I make it sound like it was going well, and that I was the innocent party in all of this - I’m never honest and say that I pumped and dumped.

I found it very easy to engineer a breakup after I had boned them a few times, I would just say that I didn't feel that I'm a good fit with Chinese cutlure or some crap like that.

Chinese-American women are usually not impressed if a guy speaks Mandarin – a lot of them think the guy has Yellow Fever and learnt Mandarin to impress the women. I never bring up the fact that I know any Mandarin up with them, in case they get turned off. I emphasise my Britishness with them, or the fact that I love to eat all kinds of food and that I’m well travelled. Asian women (of any country) love food so if you bring that up with them they get excited. They also love it if I mention offhand that I’ve eaten recently in Alhambra or Monterrey Park (California), which is where the Chinese go to eat.

I would think that foreign women in China can’t be too hard to bang if you’re a foreign guy with game. They must be starving for dick because a lot of them are not interested in local men and the local men do not approach. On my last trip to Japan I spoke to a cute black Jamaican 7 in a club, she said Japanese men never approached her because they were too intimated.

Quote: (03-22-2014 01:06 AM)Global_Cocksman Wrote:  

Yeah, most Chinese/Chinese girls seem to be pretty prejudice, or maybe just ignorant/unaware.

I spent two months in total in China on two separate trips there recently. I actually never saw any black dudes with Chinese chicks when I was there. Whether in nightclubs or on the street or whatever. Some dudes I saw were with white expat women.

On the other hand, when I was in Japan I saw a lot of black guys with cute to pretty hot Japanese women. I'd choose Japan over China any day for better living conditions in any case, but I guess you're already used to third worldish conditions living in the Philippines.

In Japan I saw Indian guys with hot Japanese girls too.

No matter what anyone is saying in these forums, right now is not a good time to be a foreigner in China. There are HUGE swaths of Chinese men not getting pussy and when something goes wrong in China, the first ones to be blamed are the foreigners. I am getting TONS of dirty looks all day. Usually its not so bad, usually its about 1 or 2 an hour, now its EVERY other guy and then all his friends too. They are hurting for pussy from the massive imbalance.

Last week we went to a nightclub, my wife tagged along and sat down as usual. Some guys invited us to a table and gave us drinks but stopped after they found out we were teachers, not business people. My wife also told them that she was married to me which resulted in them telling her how garbage foreigners were and how evil we were and then them trying to secretly get her phone number. She said she refused a few times and they started getting quite pushy so that's when she grabbed me and we left (I had no idea what was going on, I'm usually off dancing and I don't speak enough Chinese).

As for me, I'm getting the fvck out of China at the earliest opportunity... the only people that really like it here are people that have it WAY worse back home (usually Americans).

Quote: (07-01-2014 06:59 AM)BadWolf Wrote:  

No matter what anyone is saying in these forums, right now is not a good time to be a foreigner in China. There are HUGE swaths of Chinese men not getting pussy and when something goes wrong in China, the first ones to be blamed are the foreigners. I am getting TONS of dirty looks all day. Usually its not so bad, usually its about 1 or 2 an hour, now its EVERY other guy and then all his friends too. They are hurting for pussy from the massive imbalance.

Last week we went to a nightclub, my wife tagged along and sat down as usual. Some guys invited us to a table and gave us drinks but stopped after they found out we were teachers, not business people. My wife also told them that she was married to me which resulted in them telling her how garbage foreigners were and how evil we were and then them trying to secretly get her phone number. She said she refused a few times and they started getting quite pushy so that's when she grabbed me and we left (I had no idea what was going on, I'm usually off dancing and I don't speak enough Chinese).

As for me, I'm getting the fvck out of China at the earliest opportunity... the only people that really like it here are people that have it WAY worse back home (usually Americans).

Interesting, thanks for posting this, where are you based ?

The Chinese guys are a lot more effeminate, most of the women I met who could speak English, would often say bad things about them and ridicule them. I did feel bad them but english guys lose out a lot to foreign guys back home, so its just one of those things.

I was based in Shenzhen and Guangzhou.

Quote: (06-30-2014 08:41 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

Quote: (06-28-2014 08:50 AM)Dagnasty Wrote:  

Quote: (06-26-2014 05:23 PM)ao85 Wrote:  

I remember you said that speaking Chinese during the day got a big response. For a non-white/non-ABC, is there a significant difference between the response you get speaking Chinese during the day vs. at night? According to what you wrote it seems like with the ratios and bitch shields unfavorable in the clubs, something that would peak interest during the day just doesn't cut it at night?

Correct - the girls you meet in the day are not the same ones you meet at night. BY FAR!

Basically, if you're in a club - you damn near need to pull rabbits out of your ass to impress some of those girls.

On the other hand, anything further than Ni3hao3ma0 will turn heads.

I’ve never tried club game on any Chinese women; I can speak a few words of Mandarin via Pimsleur and Rosetta Stone, but not enough to hold a conversation.

I hope this isn’t a thread derail, but in my experience in the US:

Mainland Chinese LOVE it when they hear a non-Chinese male (such as myself) speak Mandarin. I’ve gotten a couple of mainland Chinese bangs in the US via online dating due to them being impressed by the fact that I know some words of Mandarin.

They’re also impressed if you ask them where they’re from and if you know something about it, especially if they’re not from Shanghai or Beijing (everybody has heard of Shanghai and Beijing). I sometimes mention that I used to date a woman from their city, but things didn’t work out because she had to move away or some BS like that. I make it sound like it was going well, and that I was the innocent party in all of this - I’m never honest and say that I pumped and dumped.

I found it very easy to engineer a breakup after I had boned them a few times, I would just say that I didn't feel that I'm a good fit with Chinese cutlure or some crap like that.

Chinese-American women are usually not impressed if a guy speaks Mandarin – a lot of them think the guy has Yellow Fever and learnt Mandarin to impress the women. I never bring up the fact that I know any Mandarin up with them, in case they get turned off. I emphasise my Britishness with them, or the fact that I love to eat all kinds of food and that I’m well travelled. Asian women (of any country) love food so if you bring that up with them they get excited. They also love it if I mention offhand that I’ve eaten recently in Alhambra or Monterrey Park (California), which is where the Chinese go to eat.

I would think that foreign women in China can’t be too hard to bang if you’re a foreign guy with game. They must be starving for dick because a lot of them are not interested in local men and the local men do not approach. On my last trip to Japan I spoke to a cute black Jamaican 7 in a club, she said Japanese men never approached her because they were too intimated.

chinese men arent as beta as japanese men. they will jump and beat the shit of foreigners if they get out of line. 30 or more chinese guys jumping one foreigner that acts up is not uncommon.


http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0f4_1336588229

also i wouldn't sugarcoat anything. you're still at a disadvantange in china if you have dark skin. they are still largely a racist society. anyone living in china can vouch for this. you may get a ugly girlfriend living there long enough but youre not landing 8, 9 or 10 out of 10 models like dark guys get in europe.

Quote: (06-30-2014 10:31 AM)G_global Wrote:  

Kai its an interesting point you raise, but it actually might not require the girls to be that skinny. As I am sure you've seen, blonde and/or nordic features can also have a very strong impact on Chinese. A friend, a Vegas based architect, who's blonde wife was in her 50's, was very much the subject of attention by many Chinese men during a trade junket I went on. Establishing value with the guys would of course help establish value with girls as well, and so I think blonde could actually be more significant than being Chinese-thin. What do you think?

Blonde hair won't mean shit if the woman in question wears a size 6 dress. Her height won't matter either. Chinese think that is fat. Fat = ugly. Size 4 and under only.

That blonde white lady has exotic appeal in the sense that they probably want to impress them in a business sense. You can never know unless you ask the individual guys. They were probably dreaming of what a younger version (18-20) of that lady probably looks like and how much rmb would it cost to get a blowjob from one. They would never fuck some old cow, unless they just want a flag for some strange reason.

I get lots of attention in my wife's hometown. People come up to us and ask me which schools did I go to because I "Look very educated and rich". Many ask if I am a doctor or lawyer or something like that. Sometimes they ask if I am an engineer. Which is very close, guessing wise. They are always very pleasant and enamored with me. My father-in-law LOVES this. This gives his tremendous amounts of face. It makes him look even bigger than he already thinks he is. He brags about me to any business contacts he has.

In a big city like Guangzhou, people in the subway talk shit about me and my wife and we are hated on somewhat often. Or they will try to look down. Young single women, will follow or try to talk to me on occasion.

Location matters alot I guess is the point of it.

Quote: (06-30-2014 08:41 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

Quote: (06-28-2014 08:50 AM)Dagnasty Wrote:  

Quote: (06-26-2014 05:23 PM)ao85 Wrote:  

I remember you said that speaking Chinese during the day got a big response. For a non-white/non-ABC, is there a significant difference between the response you get speaking Chinese during the day vs. at night? According to what you wrote it seems like with the ratios and bitch shields unfavorable in the clubs, something that would peak interest during the day just doesn't cut it at night?

Correct - the girls you meet in the day are not the same ones you meet at night. BY FAR!

Basically, if you're in a club - you damn near need to pull rabbits out of your ass to impress some of those girls.

On the other hand, anything further than Ni3hao3ma0 will turn heads.

I’ve never tried club game on any Chinese women; I can speak a few words of Mandarin via Pimsleur and Rosetta Stone, but not enough to hold a conversation.

I hope this isn’t a thread derail, but in my experience in the US:

Mainland Chinese LOVE it when they hear a non-Chinese male (such as myself) speak Mandarin. I’ve gotten a couple of mainland Chinese bangs in the US via online dating due to them being impressed by the fact that I know some words of Mandarin.

They’re also impressed if you ask them where they’re from and if you know something about it, especially if they’re not from Shanghai or Beijing (everybody has heard of Shanghai and Beijing). I sometimes mention that I used to date a woman from their city, but things didn’t work out because she had to move away or some BS like that. I make it sound like it was going well, and that I was the innocent party in all of this - I’m never honest and say that I pumped and dumped.

I found it very easy to engineer a breakup after I had boned them a few times, I would just say that I didn't feel that I'm a good fit with Chinese cutlure or some crap like that.

Chinese-American women are usually not impressed if a guy speaks Mandarin – a lot of them think the guy has Yellow Fever and learnt Mandarin to impress the women. I never bring up the fact that I know any Mandarin up with them, in case they get turned off. I emphasise my Britishness with them, or the fact that I love to eat all kinds of food and that I’m well travelled. Asian women (of any country) love food so if you bring that up with them they get excited. They also love it if I mention offhand that I’ve eaten recently in Alhambra or Monterrey Park (California), which is where the Chinese go to eat.

I would think that foreign women in China can’t be too hard to bang if you’re a foreign guy with game. They must be starving for dick because a lot of them are not interested in local men and the local men do not approach. On my last trip to Japan I spoke to a cute black Jamaican 7 in a club, she said Japanese men never approached her because they were too intimated.

Quote: (03-22-2014 01:06 AM)Global_Cocksman Wrote:  

Yeah, most Chinese/Chinese girls seem to be pretty prejudice, or maybe just ignorant/unaware.

I spent two months in total in China on two separate trips there recently. I actually never saw any black dudes with Chinese chicks when I was there. Whether in nightclubs or on the street or whatever. Some dudes I saw were with white expat women.

On the other hand, when I was in Japan I saw a lot of black guys with cute to pretty hot Japanese women. I'd choose Japan over China any day for better living conditions in any case, but I guess you're already used to third worldish conditions living in the Philippines.

In Japan I saw Indian guys with hot Japanese girls too.

Those are good points. Gaming foreign women in China is a giant waste of time. If your China-game is decent and your Mandarin is decent, those women cannot do anything for you that a Chinese woman cannot. Unless you love fat women. I met a fat assed white woman from Chicago in Tokyo that was hitting on me HARD!!! I was trying to eat my ramen in peace and she wanted to talk about all her missionary stuff in Vietnam. To get her to shut up, I started talking about my Chinese girlfriend and showed her a picture. Her voice started to crack and she said she needed to go catch her flight. She very quickly got up and left.


Some of you brothas that love big ass, probably wondering, why you didn't get that bang too? To keep quality high and ween myself off big ass women, you gotta stick to better and more pure product. Grand Canyon pussy is not something you can enjoy once you go super tight Asian anyway. I should bring this up in another thread, but I haven't put all my thoughts together yet on this.

Quote: (07-01-2014 06:59 AM)BadWolf Wrote:  

No matter what anyone is saying in these forums, right now is not a good time to be a foreigner in China. There are HUGE swaths of Chinese men not getting pussy and when something goes wrong in China, the first ones to be blamed are the foreigners. I am getting TONS of dirty looks all day. Usually its not so bad, usually its about 1 or 2 an hour, now its EVERY other guy and then all his friends too. They are hurting for pussy from the massive imbalance.

Last week we went to a nightclub, my wife tagged along and sat down as usual. Some guys invited us to a table and gave us drinks but stopped after they found out we were teachers, not business people. My wife also told them that she was married to me which resulted in them telling her how garbage foreigners were and how evil we were and then them trying to secretly get her phone number. She said she refused a few times and they started getting quite pushy so that's when she grabbed me and we left (I had no idea what was going on, I'm usually off dancing and I don't speak enough Chinese).

As for me, I'm getting the fvck out of China at the earliest opportunity... the only people that really like it here are people that have it WAY worse back home (usually Americans).

Yeah there is a alot of hate there in those big cities. Guangzhou is full of hating ass young people. Jealous all the time. If you could understand them, you would get angry more often. Or laugh, like I did. One skinny ass loser and his mop headed girlfriend were talking shit about us in the subway, while sitting across from us. They were speaking regular Mandarin too. My wife and I looked at each other and l laughed out loud while looking at them. Then he started hugging his gf closer and started kissing on her. I just shook my head at them and made fun of his gf's clothes and mop hair style. They got up and left.

Much of the haters in Guangzhou are not even locals. Just some shitty fucking brats from some countryside far away or something. Never seen a foreigner with a pretty Chinese girl before. These are the types that would get a Mao tattoo if they could afford it.

Have you ever been hated on by military punks before? Those fuckers are rude and mean times 100. I won't mess with them. My wife yells at them though, which makes me nervous because I do not know what they are capable or willing to do to save face unlike others.

A smug stare back at them goes a long ways too. Sometimes I wink at them to let them know I can understand what they are saying, depends upon the situation.

When you get here, the hate will not stop. Black women hate on us hard after they get over the initial shock of seeing us! Younger White women and single mother ones roll their eyes and raise their noses. They stare at me as if I am covered in blood.

They ask if my wife is 18 or if she is in high school. I got blocked from buying beer from a jealous bitch in a grocery store because they thought my wife was underage and demanded her drivers license and wouldn't look at a passport!

Older black women 40-80 grimmace. So you might catch older white ladies doing the same too.

Other Chinese women here are mixed. Some love us and some think we are strange, and some hate either me or her, etc. etc.

Overall I love it. These are all the same fat and unfeminine bitches that more or less caused me to run outta this country like my hair was on fire.


BTW - For all the other reading this, don't do anything I did in China like that. I don't recommend it. Always stay quiet and mind your own business. Just ignore haters as if they do not exist. Shit talking is not a good thing to do. I never did it again after that. I just had a the wrong mood that day I guess.

Quote: (07-01-2014 10:00 AM)chuslice Wrote:  

Quote: (06-30-2014 08:41 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

Quote: (06-28-2014 08:50 AM)Dagnasty Wrote:  

Quote: (06-26-2014 05:23 PM)ao85 Wrote:  

I remember you said that speaking Chinese during the day got a big response. For a non-white/non-ABC, is there a significant difference between the response you get speaking Chinese during the day vs. at night? According to what you wrote it seems like with the ratios and bitch shields unfavorable in the clubs, something that would peak interest during the day just doesn't cut it at night?

Correct - the girls you meet in the day are not the same ones you meet at night. BY FAR!

Basically, if you're in a club - you damn near need to pull rabbits out of your ass to impress some of those girls.

On the other hand, anything further than Ni3hao3ma0 will turn heads.

I’ve never tried club game on any Chinese women; I can speak a few words of Mandarin via Pimsleur and Rosetta Stone, but not enough to hold a conversation.

I hope this isn’t a thread derail, but in my experience in the US:

Mainland Chinese LOVE it when they hear a non-Chinese male (such as myself) speak Mandarin. I’ve gotten a couple of mainland Chinese bangs in the US via online dating due to them being impressed by the fact that I know some words of Mandarin.

They’re also impressed if you ask them where they’re from and if you know something about it, especially if they’re not from Shanghai or Beijing (everybody has heard of Shanghai and Beijing). I sometimes mention that I used to date a woman from their city, but things didn’t work out because she had to move away or some BS like that. I make it sound like it was going well, and that I was the innocent party in all of this - I’m never honest and say that I pumped and dumped.

I found it very easy to engineer a breakup after I had boned them a few times, I would just say that I didn't feel that I'm a good fit with Chinese cutlure or some crap like that.

Chinese-American women are usually not impressed if a guy speaks Mandarin – a lot of them think the guy has Yellow Fever and learnt Mandarin to impress the women. I never bring up the fact that I know any Mandarin up with them, in case they get turned off. I emphasise my Britishness with them, or the fact that I love to eat all kinds of food and that I’m well travelled. Asian women (of any country) love food so if you bring that up with them they get excited. They also love it if I mention offhand that I’ve eaten recently in Alhambra or Monterrey Park (California), which is where the Chinese go to eat.

I would think that foreign women in China can’t be too hard to bang if you’re a foreign guy with game. They must be starving for dick because a lot of them are not interested in local men and the local men do not approach. On my last trip to Japan I spoke to a cute black Jamaican 7 in a club, she said Japanese men never approached her because they were too intimated.

chinese men arent as beta as japanese men. they will jump and beat the shit of foreigners if they get out of line. 30 or more chinese guys jumping one foreigner that acts up is not uncommon.


http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0f4_1336588229

also i wouldn't sugarcoat anything. you're still at a disadvantange in china if you have dark skin. they are still largely a racist society. anyone living in china can vouch for this. you may get a ugly girlfriend living there long enough but youre not landing 8, 9 or 10 out of 10 models like dark guys get in europe.

I agree with the first part.

I disagree with the ending. You can get the hot ones as a black guy. If you are African, I will still say it is possible but it would be a little harder. You can get model types as a black american. You can get 8-10s. Depending upon who you ask my wife is either a 7, 8, or 9 to Chinese men or Westerners. You just need good china game and know how to build a good strategy on how to get what you are looking for. For Black men online game and social media is strongest when starting out because you can screen out racists flawlessly. You might get 5-10 hits a month, maybe 100 depending upon how handsome you are and other things. When you have a nice stable of prospects or girlfriends, then you can use pre-validation game with or without social media stuff like wechat and QQ, to gain "converts" to the dark side. Remember, Chinese women are super jealous and competitive. You can use it against them but you need a bare minimum of one woman that is 5-7 to do it, usually. Some dating sites let them know how popular a profile is sometimes too. So there is always that too to help boost you up.

A couple we know got married in California in a black church! This brotha has an arguable 10. She is very tall, hot, porcelain white skin, long nice hair, and super educated. He is a little bit rich (400K) but has a exwife with 3 kids and lots of child support issues. Cali divorce raped him hard. His wife loves him to death and cares nothing for that stuff. She loyal as hell like mine is.

This brotha isn't a model type either. He looks normal, like a 7-8 for a black man of his age. Most of us look damned good if we are not fat. Never takes much for any man really. Good haircut and a good outfit and that's a rap!

Also dark guys in Europe won't do any better or worse than us. Like I said before. We are not as dark as Africans and some other blacks. Lots of those guys are 1st or 2nd generation African anyway! Because of 1% drop rule in the US, we are mentally conditioned into those boxes. Most of us are mixed with white or Native Indian or both. We are 5-10+ generations deep removed from Africa. We are mostly Black Americans, not African Americans. There is a difference! It is not uncommon for someone in China to ask me if I am a mixed black man like Obama or sometimes people say stuff like, "You do not look very black like the Africans, where are you from?" Once I was asked outright, what am I mixed blood with. My own grandfather-in-law said I looked like a Native American Indian when they showed him a few pictures of me before I met him. He told the others that I was not black, but that I was an Indian instead. I am not some high yellow guy either like some brothas are either, I have lots of brown in my skin tone.

That said, you can still get ignorant countryside fucks that will not accept that you are an american but an African instead, and if you do, stop talking to them.

i'd have to see pictures to believe it. ive never seen it myself while living there.

these are the types of women africans are marrying in guangzhou.














sorry but i'd rate these women as 2s or 3s. nobody wants them.

Quote: (07-01-2014 12:17 PM)chuslice Wrote:  

i'd have to see pictures to believe it. ive never seen it myself while living there.

these are the types of women africans are marrying in guangzhou.












You picked the worst pictures from the internet to support your claim. Nice try.



sorry but i'd rate these women as 2s or 3s. nobody wants them.

If you look at those men, they are bottom of the barrel in looks as well. Also they are only African. furthermore, with the exception of the fatties, those guys did well considering what they look like. A wife should always be at least one point higher than you. If you look anything like them, I could understand your sentiment. If you look anything like a decent average looking black american man, you would not pull that low unless your mindset corralled you into that. We invited a 70 year old black guy who is retired, to my house for a visit, that married a 40 year old Chinese woman that is waayyyyyyy hotter than these women above. He is tall, good looking for a 70 year old man, he grew up in Trinidad, worked for IBM for years, and is very intelligent and well spoken. His wife adores him too.

If you are black American, 70, and can get a pretty 40 year old, what do you make of that?

You have to understand that this is somewhat new territory, you are not going to see 100 samples on Google and quite frankly, why would you want to wait for hundreds of other black men with more money than you to take all the good ones anyway? Guys like me are going to be the new trend very, very soon. I saw a kinda-fat rich-looking black guy at a Mike Epps stand up show with a legit 10 Chinese wife (she had on a huge ring). He sat right up in the front. Epps didn't even mess with him. This was like 4 or 5 years ago. I was with my black exwife at the time, but I never forgot that day. Maybe he is former NFL or something, because he had an icy watch. I dunno. Regardless he left a serious impression on me that I never forgot.

quite a few black (african and AA) did well in china, more with the russian models than chinese though

Quote: (07-01-2014 01:19 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

If you look at those men, they are bottom of the barrel in looks as well. Also they are only African. furthermore, with the exception of the fatties, those guys did well considering what they look like. A wife should always be at least one point higher than you. If you look anything like them, I could understand your sentiment. If you look anything like a decent average looking black american man, you would not pull that low unless your mindset corralled you into that. We invited a 70 year old black guy who is retired, to my house for a visit, that married a 40 year old Chinese woman that is waayyyyyyy hotter than these women above. He is tall, good looking for a 70 year old man, he grew up in Trinidad, worked for IBM for years, and is very intelligent and well spoken. His wife adores him too.

If you are black American, 70, and can get a pretty 40 year old, what do you make of that?

You have to understand that this is somewhat new territory, you are not going to see 100 samples on Google and quite frankly, why would you want to wait for hundreds of other black men with more money than you to take all the good ones anyway? Guys like me are going to be the new trend very, very soon. I saw a kinda-fat rich-looking black guy at a Mike Epps stand up show with a legit 10 Chinese wife (she had on a huge ring). He sat right up in the front. Epps didn't even mess with him. This was like 4 or 5 years ago. I was with my black exwife at the time, but I never forgot that day. Maybe he is former NFL or something, because he had an icy watch. I dunno. Regardless he left a serious impression on me that I never forgot.

Moral of the story. Money is race blind. Especially in Asia. If you are an ugly guy in the states with boatloads of money, you will be raped by the gold diggers in the US, while in Asia probably find a nice loyal wife who appreciates you taking care of her.

I don't see this being relevant for casual hooking up. Ukraine has tons of 8's but they are definitely not down for the ONS. It takes effort and lots of bullshit. I don't have time nor stamina for that shit.

Quote: (07-01-2014 06:39 PM)InternationalPlayboy Wrote:  

Quote: (07-01-2014 01:19 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

If you look at those men, they are bottom of the barrel in looks as well. Also they are only African. furthermore, with the exception of the fatties, those guys did well considering what they look like. A wife should always be at least one point higher than you. If you look anything like them, I could understand your sentiment. If you look anything like a decent average looking black american man, you would not pull that low unless your mindset corralled you into that. We invited a 70 year old black guy who is retired, to my house for a visit, that married a 40 year old Chinese woman that is waayyyyyyy hotter than these women above. He is tall, good looking for a 70 year old man, he grew up in Trinidad, worked for IBM for years, and is very intelligent and well spoken. His wife adores him too.

If you are black American, 70, and can get a pretty 40 year old, what do you make of that?

You have to understand that this is somewhat new territory, you are not going to see 100 samples on Google and quite frankly, why would you want to wait for hundreds of other black men with more money than you to take all the good ones anyway? Guys like me are going to be the new trend very, very soon. I saw a kinda-fat rich-looking black guy at a Mike Epps stand up show with a legit 10 Chinese wife (she had on a huge ring). He sat right up in the front. Epps didn't even mess with him. This was like 4 or 5 years ago. I was with my black exwife at the time, but I never forgot that day. Maybe he is former NFL or something, because he had an icy watch. I dunno. Regardless he left a serious impression on me that I never forgot.

Moral of the story. Money is race blind. Especially in Asia. If you are an ugly guy in the states with boatloads of money, you will be raped by the gold diggers in the US, while in Asia probably find a nice loyal wife who appreciates you taking care of her.

I don't see this being relevant for casual hooking up. Ukraine has tons of 8's but they are definitely not down for the ONS. It takes effort and lots of bullshit. I don't have time nor stamina for that shit.

It is VERY relevant for casual hookups. How we are perceived to Chinese women as black men absolutely matters for all things! Not all Chinese girls are "highly disciplined virgins", but they still might be good girls, just horny. I turned down an 7.5-8ish lizard in Wuhan who begged me for two hours to come visit her to fuck. She promised me the entire world. A nigga lover in Beijing with Huge DDD tits sent me naked photos, that was arguably an 8, I passed on her too. It doesn't take a ton of effort and bullshit, but it can be difficult if your game sucks. I will address these strategies in full depth in my dating guide when I finish updating it.

Quote: (07-01-2014 07:15 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

Quote: (07-01-2014 06:39 PM)InternationalPlayboy Wrote:  

Quote: (07-01-2014 01:19 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

If you look at those men, they are bottom of the barrel in looks as well. Also they are only African. furthermore, with the exception of the fatties, those guys did well considering what they look like. A wife should always be at least one point higher than you. If you look anything like them, I could understand your sentiment. If you look anything like a decent average looking black american man, you would not pull that low unless your mindset corralled you into that. We invited a 70 year old black guy who is retired, to my house for a visit, that married a 40 year old Chinese woman that is waayyyyyyy hotter than these women above. He is tall, good looking for a 70 year old man, he grew up in Trinidad, worked for IBM for years, and is very intelligent and well spoken. His wife adores him too.

If you are black American, 70, and can get a pretty 40 year old, what do you make of that?

You have to understand that this is somewhat new territory, you are not going to see 100 samples on Google and quite frankly, why would you want to wait for hundreds of other black men with more money than you to take all the good ones anyway? Guys like me are going to be the new trend very, very soon. I saw a kinda-fat rich-looking black guy at a Mike Epps stand up show with a legit 10 Chinese wife (she had on a huge ring). He sat right up in the front. Epps didn't even mess with him. This was like 4 or 5 years ago. I was with my black exwife at the time, but I never forgot that day. Maybe he is former NFL or something, because he had an icy watch. I dunno. Regardless he left a serious impression on me that I never forgot.

Moral of the story. Money is race blind. Especially in Asia. If you are an ugly guy in the states with boatloads of money, you will be raped by the gold diggers in the US, while in Asia probably find a nice loyal wife who appreciates you taking care of her.

I don't see this being relevant for casual hooking up. Ukraine has tons of 8's but they are definitely not down for the ONS. It takes effort and lots of bullshit. I don't have time nor stamina for that shit.

It is VERY relevant for casual hookups. How we are perceived to Chinese women as black men absolutely matters for all things! Not all Chinese girls are "highly disciplined virgins", but they still might be good girls, just horny. I turned down an 7.5-8ish lizard in Wuhan who begged me for two hours to come visit her to fuck. She promised me the entire world. A nigga lover in Beijing with Huge DDD tits sent me naked photos, that was arguably an 8, I passed on her too. It doesn't take a ton of effort and bullshit, but it can be difficult if your game sucks. I will address these strategies in full depth in my dating guide when I finish updating it.

I'm just making comments about your examples of those two couples. I highly doubt any women in the world is going to bang a fat ass nor a 70 year old man without any financial element playing a significant part of the equation.

In the end it doesn't matter what you look like. I have no doubts a good looking african male could pull serious tail in any country. Just find your niche girl groups and exploit. In China, you have the benefit of numbers. Imagine going through online pipeline with 10x the amount of targets you get in other places. Percentages are probably smaller then other countries, but you have a much, much bigger pool to work with.

From all my traveling it boils down to this:

1. Population Size
2. Cultural Norms (ONS heavy or relationship heavy) (relative xenophobia)
3. English Proficiency for the average girl
4. Internet Access

I am no heavy user of online game, as I have had some unfortunate crazy experiences of girls who were just mentally not sound. If they are online, they are there for a reason.

Like beating a dead horse, online game and night game pretty much covers less then 5% of the population and does not represent in any form what a country is really like. You are going to attract promiscuous leaning girls, no matter how "innocent" they seem or whatever lies they try and bs through you. Keep them to the casual hook ups. All girls I have met who had long term potential was social networking and chance day encounters.

Don't meant to derail your thread, but just wanted to give a broader perspective on things (if not stating the obvious).

Quote: (07-01-2014 08:01 PM)InternationalPlayboy Wrote:  

Quote: (07-01-2014 07:15 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

Quote: (07-01-2014 06:39 PM)InternationalPlayboy Wrote:  

Quote: (07-01-2014 01:19 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

If you look at those men, they are bottom of the barrel in looks as well. Also they are only African. furthermore, with the exception of the fatties, those guys did well considering what they look like. A wife should always be at least one point higher than you. If you look anything like them, I could understand your sentiment. If you look anything like a decent average looking black american man, you would not pull that low unless your mindset corralled you into that. We invited a 70 year old black guy who is retired, to my house for a visit, that married a 40 year old Chinese woman that is waayyyyyyy hotter than these women above. He is tall, good looking for a 70 year old man, he grew up in Trinidad, worked for IBM for years, and is very intelligent and well spoken. His wife adores him too.

If you are black American, 70, and can get a pretty 40 year old, what do you make of that?

You have to understand that this is somewhat new territory, you are not going to see 100 samples on Google and quite frankly, why would you want to wait for hundreds of other black men with more money than you to take all the good ones anyway? Guys like me are going to be the new trend very, very soon. I saw a kinda-fat rich-looking black guy at a Mike Epps stand up show with a legit 10 Chinese wife (she had on a huge ring). He sat right up in the front. Epps didn't even mess with him. This was like 4 or 5 years ago. I was with my black exwife at the time, but I never forgot that day. Maybe he is former NFL or something, because he had an icy watch. I dunno. Regardless he left a serious impression on me that I never forgot.

Moral of the story. Money is race blind. Especially in Asia. If you are an ugly guy in the states with boatloads of money, you will be raped by the gold diggers in the US, while in Asia probably find a nice loyal wife who appreciates you taking care of her.

I don't see this being relevant for casual hooking up. Ukraine has tons of 8's but they are definitely not down for the ONS. It takes effort and lots of bullshit. I don't have time nor stamina for that shit.

It is VERY relevant for casual hookups. How we are perceived to Chinese women as black men absolutely matters for all things! Not all Chinese girls are "highly disciplined virgins", but they still might be good girls, just horny. I turned down an 7.5-8ish lizard in Wuhan who begged me for two hours to come visit her to fuck. She promised me the entire world. A nigga lover in Beijing with Huge DDD tits sent me naked photos, that was arguably an 8, I passed on her too. It doesn't take a ton of effort and bullshit, but it can be difficult if your game sucks. I will address these strategies in full depth in my dating guide when I finish updating it.

I'm just making comments about your examples of those two couples. I highly doubt any women in the world is going to bang a fat ass nor a 70 year old man without any financial element playing a significant part of the equation.

In the end it doesn't matter what you look like. I have no doubts a good looking african male could pull serious tail in any country. Just find your niche girl groups and exploit. In China, you have the benefit of numbers. Imagine going through online pipeline with 10x the amount of targets you get in other places. Percentages are probably smaller then other countries, but you have a much, much bigger pool to work with.

From all my traveling it boils down to this:

1. Population Size
2. Cultural Norms (ONS heavy or relationship heavy) (relative xenophobia)
3. English Proficiency for the average girl
4. Internet Access

I am no heavy user of online game, as I have had some unfortunate crazy experiences of girls who were just mentally not sound. If they are online, they are there for a reason.

Like beating a dead horse, online game and night game pretty much covers less then 5% of the population and does not represent in any form what a country is really like. You are going to attract promiscuous leaning girls, no matter how "innocent" they seem or whatever lies they try and bs through you. Keep them to the casual hook ups. All girls I have met who had long term potential was social networking and chance day encounters.

Don't meant to derail your thread, but just wanted to give a broader perspective on things (if not stating the obvious).

How do you know that for certain with 100% accuracy? Fat guys that teach English in China have girlfriends too!

Are you even black? Do you have much China experience? You oversimplify things a bit too much. Yes China is a huge numbers game, but if you don't know what you are doing there, you can strike out alot! You are stating obvious stuff that could pertain to nearly every country on earth. Your statements are too broad sweeping ignoring or glossing over an issue that too many others have ran into personally. If this was all that easy, black guys would not have questions about China to begin with. China is not the Philippines. You cannot just simply show up. Even 8-10s and high society gals there require good game and social circle game.

A good looking African will not pull serious tail in China, just by being good looking. Not without either game or language skills. A French speaking African will suffer there more probably. You even have white guys that strike out in China regardless of their "white god syndrome" advantage. Those Ghanaian Boateng brothers if put up against me in a one month period, would never out pull me quality and quantity wise, and they are "arguably" good looking Africans. They do not know China. They cannot speak Mandarin. They do not know what to say to these women. They would walk around and no one will know who the fuck they even are. You cannot throw money around China either. That doesn't do shit. In a KTV or club it might look cool, but if you are greasing up a 4-6 KTV xiaosan, that isn't impressive! Not to anyone that knows anything about China. Clubbing does not yield the same lizard quality that it would in Latin America.

When you say, just find your niche girls and exploit, what are you talking about? What niche groups? Nigga lovers? I hate to break it to you man, but you talking about 1% of .1% of a chance you would walk right into one on the street if that is what you are talking about. Most Chinese women do not even want a foreigner. Not even a hot white guy. You make it sound too easy/simple but it is far, far from that. Most of them do not know what they want at all. Ever ask a chinese girl what her dream man would look like? The answers are 90+%, "Ummmmm.. wo bu zhidao..." (I don't know).

The only realistic way to find a deliberate lover of black men is only online. Period. Others require good game to get them to give you a chance. Many Chinese women are old fashioned in the sense that they can be impressed if you are willing to try and know how.

There is a famous Chinese saying. "Easy is the heart of a Chinese woman to win. To win the heart of her parents is very difficult." Thing is, if you cannot communicate with her to her satisfaction, you have almost no chance at all because they are too busy trying to live and work to wait for you to figure out how to say a few sentences in mandarin in a 5 min time period.

Forgive me if I seem a bit rough, but I am confused with your statements.

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In a KTV or club it might look cool, but if you are greasing up a 4-6 KTV xiaosan, that isn't impressive! Not to anyone that knows anything about China. Clubbing does not yield the same lizard quality that it would in Latin America.

Clubbing in China is only for RICH kids and they all go with their own women. No one talks to each other, its basically a private party and you as a foreigner are definetely not invited. The anatomy of a Chinese club is a tiny little dancefloor which is usually used as a stage (Chinese can't dance), with a couple of bars, lots of seating areas and some uncomfortable standing areas (with tables to show who has money and who doesnt). If you want to sit down you must pay $100 USD. The Chinese who pay, will lay on the couches and play with their phones, oblivious to everyone around them, they are clearly the elite of China. The club in China is a weird place, they play decent dance music but have no room to dance. Chinese try and imitate America but it always comes out ass backwards, and its all for FACE. Forget meeting new people, they don't want to meet each other, they go there to show off who has the most expensive stuff and who has the most expensive table. I've been to TONS of clubs all over China and I've yet to see ONE china man approach another china man to strike up a conversation or even dance together (men and women). It's simply not done here... now if you bring a woman to a table, they will be all over her like white on rice.

I go with my friends only, never go by myself, they are dangerous places. Ask anyone who lives here. Kai if you are in GZ we should get together, do you know Pizza 2 Pizza or Chicken Express, Ill bring my wife and you can bring yours. Mine isn't Cantonese so I bet they get along.

Quote: (07-01-2014 06:39 PM)InternationalPlayboy Wrote:  

Moral of the story. Money is race blind. Especially in Asia. If you are an ugly guy in the states with boatloads of money, you will be raped by the gold diggers in the US, while in Asia probably find a nice loyal wife who appreciates you taking care of her.

I don't see this being relevant for casual hooking up. Ukraine has tons of 8's but they are definitely not down for the ONS. It takes effort and lots of bullshit. I don't have time nor stamina for that shit.

There’s Asian gold diggers as well – ask Rupert Murdoch! I know loser Indian guys (fat or ugly) from UK/USA who’ve gone and married an 7-8 village girl from India. The fact that they live a western country will make any village woman want to marry them.

TravelerKai – A question, which you do not have to answer, but did you meet your wife online?

BadWolf – I was thinking of heading over to China in a few years for the experience and to work for a year or two. Would you say it’s a bad idea? I “get” Chinese people if you know what I mean, I’ve been around them for most of the last 15 years and I have close female friends that are originally from Guangzhou and Shanghai. I’m not black or white BTW- I'm brown!

Quote: (07-01-2014 10:05 PM)BadWolf Wrote:  

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In a KTV or club it might look cool, but if you are greasing up a 4-6 KTV xiaosan, that isn't impressive! Not to anyone that knows anything about China. Clubbing does not yield the same lizard quality that it would in Latin America.

Clubbing in China is only for RICH kids and they all go with their own women. No one talks to each other, its basically a private party and you as a foreigner are definetely not invited. The anatomy of a Chinese club is a tiny little dancefloor which is usually used as a stage (Chinese can't dance), with a couple of bars, lots of seating areas and some uncomfortable standing areas (with tables to show who has money and who doesnt). If you want to sit down you must pay $100 USD. The Chinese who pay, will lay on the couches and play with their phones, oblivious to everyone around them, they are clearly the elite of China. The club in China is a weird place, they play decent dance music but have no room to dance. Chinese try and imitate America but it always comes out ass backwards, and its all for FACE. Forget meeting new people, they don't want to meet each other, they go there to show off who has the most expensive stuff and who has the most expensive table. I've been to TONS of clubs all over China and I've yet to see ONE china man approach another china man to strike up a conversation or even dance together (men and women). It's simply not done here... now if you bring a woman to a table, they will be all over her like white on rice.

I go with my friends only, never go by myself, they are dangerous places. Ask anyone who lives here. Kai if you are in GZ we should get together, do you know Pizza 2 Pizza or Chicken Express, Ill bring my wife and you can bring yours. Mine isn't Cantonese so I bet they get along.

not all clubs are for the super wealthy. there are a few clubs for the lower class girls, and the foreign packed clubs are full of girls looking to be picked up by a foreigner. clubs are the number one place to go at night if you venue select properly