Quote: (12-21-2013 01:04 PM)Nonpareil Wrote:  

Quote: (12-21-2013 12:54 PM)Menace Wrote:  

#1 I miss these Roosh. Please keep the tradition alive.

#2 She is the epitome of what's wrong with American girls. She's pretty, let's be real, but she is not datable. Bang and done. Thing is, her personality is damaged; she's not "normal." So from the get go you're dealing with something that's not repairable and if you do not fit into her deluded preconceived archetype you're just out. Best bet with these girls is to let them know they're not as cool as they think they are and shun them mercilessly.

Fuckin' A. What exactly does this chick bring to the table? Sure, she's attractive enough and all that, but she's not high-end; she's not so attractive that she can just show up and it's good enough. If you're a girl and you're cute but not hot, you better be able to do more than sit there firing off rapid questions about my job and my apartment.

Also, wedding planning? Clearly the bridezillas and their hamsterbations and entitlements that she deals with every day are rubbing off on her; her first instinct is to mention his appearance.

The guy is awesome; witty, confident, comes with it and isn't thirsty and letting her sub-par personality slide; I'm willing to bet that he is banging 2-3 girls in non-serious relationships.

Would bang, but wouldn't put her on the roster.

I briefly dated a wedding planner once. Pretty sure I caught her in a particularly active carousel-riding phase of her life.

You can categorize them with female psychologists and therapists. Women that get paid to provide others what they themselves are completely lacking.

First, did guys actually watch the video??

We're talking about the girl being interviewed, not the interviewer, in case this isn't clear! Kaitlin (the Date Lab girl) doesn't appear until about 25 seconds into the video and she is not the girl in the youtube screen capture.

Kaitlin is f'ing hot as hell -- hotter in the video than she looks in her pics.

EDIT: I can't seem to embed the right start time but just go to about 25 seconds in.

Quote: (12-21-2013 11:54 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

His hover hand does betray his confidence, however.

Yeah, his outfit needs some work too. He is good raw material, though.

Some (probably most) guys aren't even teachable. Just a waste of time.

He seems like someone who is working on getting it together.

In a year, he could really be pulling some cool things off.

Quote: (12-21-2013 12:54 PM)Menace Wrote:  

#1 I miss these Roosh. Please keep the tradition alive.

#2 She is the epitome of what's wrong with American girls. She's pretty, let's be real, but she is not datable. Bang and done. Thing is, her personality is damaged; she's not "normal." So from the get go you're dealing with something that's not repairable and if you do not fit into her deluded preconceived archetype you're just out. Best bet with these girls is to let them know they're not as cool as they think they are and shun them mercilessly.

Two sentences sorta describe what American women believe.

1. I'm here.

2. Now you impress me.

That's what they all think, isn't it? Even the mediocre ones think merely showing up and existing entitles them to our affection and energy.

Hover hand says it all.

It's clear that we are getting into a time where the first moments of attraction are becoming the most important in game.

You really have to knock the girl out with your confidence, charisma, and look.

There's no way to make a girl "grow" to like you.. or at least, I don't believe there is.

She's going to size you up before any words are spoken.

That's why it's easier for a guy who a girl considers to be hot to make a mistake and bounce back from it vs. a guy who a girl deems as not sexually attractive trying to get in her good graces.

This is why a lot of us have to keep nexting and really throwing down the gauntlet when it comes to coming off as more attractive.

Quote: (12-21-2013 02:56 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

Quote: (12-21-2013 12:54 PM)Menace Wrote:  

#1 I miss these Roosh. Please keep the tradition alive.

#2 She is the epitome of what's wrong with American girls. She's pretty, let's be real, but she is not datable. Bang and done. Thing is, her personality is damaged; she's not "normal." So from the get go you're dealing with something that's not repairable and if you do not fit into her deluded preconceived archetype you're just out. Best bet with these girls is to let them know they're not as cool as they think they are and shun them mercilessly.

Two sentences sorta describe what American women believe.

1. I'm here.

2. Now you impress me.

That's what they all think, isn't it? Even the mediocre ones think merely showing up and existing entitles them to our affection and energy.

Yes it's because there are legions of beta white knights out there who believe that as long as it is human and has a pussy, that it is sacred.

We've already established that the cards are stacked against the men in Date Lab. Even if a chick would have banged in private (as Gmac proved), the temptation to indulge in the ego boost of publicly rejecting a dude (with such a massive audience) is too strong for them. Rejecting a man in front of people--especially of any consequence or quality--is the grand slam of attention-whoring.

And, as we've established elsewhere in this forum, attention for girls is the equivalent of sex for us.

Quote: (12-21-2013 12:42 PM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

Wow. There's some pain in her voice as she talks. Feels like she's on the verge of crying. Somebody broke her heart and she's not over it yet. It must have been a rough date for that dude

Still I think he coulda banged. She's emotionally vulnerable. A few casual compliments go a long way with girls like this.

Vocal fry...UGH

"She was president of her sorority". <---- trust me, this says it all

I probably would have made an excuse to end the date right there.. We all know about American female "entitlement complex", but sorority girls multiply the "entitlement complex" X 100.. back in my undergrad I was friends with dudes who were super good looking according to most girls standards but a sorority girl wouldn't even give him a second glimpse if he wasn't a known frat guy.. She didn't meet her prince charming (president of Pi kappa alpha) in college, so she's pretty mouthed fucked as no guy she meets out in reality land will ever meet her expectations

Further:

1. To me, the things a girl is supposed to "bring to the table" is her face, skin, tits, ass and legs, not necessarily in that order. Bonus points if she is not a tatted-up whore who's been riding the carousel since before dinosaurs roamed the earth. I don't need her to entertain me -- in fact there are few things more annoying than "intelligent girl" babble.

2. I don't get how guys complain (correctly) that all the bitches around them are carousel-riding monsters and then say that this girl needs to "date more and discover herself"? What's to discover, that she has the ability to ride badboy cock with the best of them?

3. Also: girls who haven't ridden every cock within a 10 squared mile radius can be a little shy and awkward on a date. That's normal girlish femininity. Would you rather have a cougar sporting a full sleeve who is "confident", "has been around the block and knows exactly what she wants" and can "down shots with the guys"? No thanks.

4. Finally, I don't get all the admiration for this dude. Who cares how "alpha" his body language is -- if he doesn't have the game to charm a sweet smart and melancholy Catholic school girl-next-door DC 8 with a pretty face and likely very nice body and be fucking the shit out of her and making her squeal like the cute chipmunk slut that she wants and needs to be, then he's not much of a player in my estimation.

Quote: (12-21-2013 02:56 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

Quote: (12-21-2013 12:54 PM)Menace Wrote:  

#1 I miss these Roosh. Please keep the tradition alive.

#2 She is the epitome of what's wrong with American girls. She's pretty, let's be real, but she is not datable. Bang and done. Thing is, her personality is damaged; she's not "normal." So from the get go you're dealing with something that's not repairable and if you do not fit into her deluded preconceived archetype you're just out. Best bet with these girls is to let them know they're not as cool as they think they are and shun them mercilessly.

Two sentences sorta describe what American women believe.

1. I'm here.

2. Now you impress me.

That's what they all think, isn't it? Even the mediocre ones think merely showing up and existing entitles them to our affection and energy.

Not only that, but I've seen this attitude in the workplace which -- to me -- is the great unspoken reason women don't succeed. Newspapers and feminists don't ever touch this, but both women and men see younger women bringing their high school-entitlement mentality to the job.

Women go into the workplace behaving like aim to be head cheerleader. They form divisions and cliques, and make it hard to get anything done. Doesn't matter if they get fired because there's parental money to fall back on.

One reason I've said I felt the racial discussions were pointless on here is because in the working world divisions happened constantly between the sexes and seldom between men of any race -- most of whom were united in their belief women were the problem.

Quote: (12-21-2013 02:59 PM)soup Wrote:  

There's no way to make a girl "grow" to like you.. or at least, I don't believe there is.

You don't really "get to know a person" anymore.

Women think you either felt a spark or nothing at all.

But a lot of relationships came about when people go to know one another.

Think about first dates, before you were in the game. You were probably awkward.

So you go on a couple of dates, though, and then she sees that it was just jitters and you open up to one another and see if there is anything of substance.

There isn't any of that anymore.

Either she is excited or you're dead.

I can't remember who I was talking with this about (maybe Dagonet from Quest for 50?).

USed to be you dated. Then it was online dating where you drafted a profile.

Now we are the "Tinder Generation." You just swipe yes or no. That's it. That's everything.

Quote: (12-21-2013 03:07 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  

Further:

1. To me, the things a girl is supposed to "bring to the table" is her face, skin, tits, ass and legs, not necessarily in that order. Bonus points if she is not a tatted-up whore who's been riding the carousel since before dinosaurs roamed the earth. I don't need her to entertain me -- in fact there are few things more annoying than "intelligent girl" babble.

2. I don't get how guys complain (correctly) that all the bitches around them are carousel-riding monsters and then say that this girl needs to "date more and discover herself"? What's to discover, that she has the ability to ride badboy cock with the best of them?

3. Also: girls who haven't ridden every cock within a 10 squared mile radius can be a little shy and awkward on a date. That's normal girlish femininity. Would you rather have a cougar sporting a full sleeve who is "confident", "has been around the block and knows exactly what she wants" and can "down shots with the guys"? No thanks.

4. Finally, I don't get all the admiration for this dude. Who cares how "alpha" his body language is -- if he doesn't have the game to charm a sweet smart and melancholy Catholic school girl-next-door DC 8 with a pretty face and likely very nice body and be fucking the shit out of her and making her squeal like the cute chipmunk slut that she wants and needs to be, then he's not much of a player in my estimation.

Kaitlin is not going to date you no matter how many posts like these you type.

Quote: (12-21-2013 03:09 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

USed to be you dated. Then it was online dating where you drafted a profile.

Now we are the "Tinder Generation." You just swipe yes or no. That's it. That's everything.

thats so true! makes me shudder to wonder what is next, what can be more impersonal than swiping yes or no

Quote: (12-21-2013 03:05 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

We've already established that the cards are stacked against the men in Date Lab. Even if a chick would have banged in private (as Gmac proved), the temptation to indulge in the ego boost of publicly rejecting a dude (with such a massive audience) is too strong for them. Rejecting a man in front of people--especially of any consequence or quality--is the grand slam of attention-whoring.

And, as we've established elsewhere in this forum, attention for girls is the equivalent of sex for us.

Quote: (12-21-2013 03:12 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

Quote: (12-21-2013 03:07 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  

Further:

1. To me, the things a girl is supposed to "bring to the table" is her face, skin, tits, ass and legs, not necessarily in that order. Bonus points if she is not a tatted-up whore who's been riding the carousel since before dinosaurs roamed the earth. I don't need her to entertain me -- in fact there are few things more annoying than "intelligent girl" babble.

2. I don't get how guys complain (correctly) that all the bitches around them are carousel-riding monsters and then say that this girl needs to "date more and discover herself"? What's to discover, that she has the ability to ride badboy cock with the best of them?

3. Also: girls who haven't ridden every cock within a 10 squared mile radius can be a little shy and awkward on a date. That's normal girlish femininity. Would you rather have a cougar sporting a full sleeve who is "confident", "has been around the block and knows exactly what she wants" and can "down shots with the guys"? No thanks.

4. Finally, I don't get all the admiration for this dude. Who cares how "alpha" his body language is -- if he doesn't have the game to charm a sweet smart and melancholy Catholic school girl-next-door DC 8 with a pretty face and likely very nice body and be fucking the shit out of her and making her squeal like the cute chipmunk slut that she wants and needs to be, then he's not much of a player in my estimation.

Kaitlin is not going to date you no matter how many posts like these you type.

Meaning what?

Quote: (12-21-2013 03:09 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

Quote: (12-21-2013 02:59 PM)soup Wrote:  

There's no way to make a girl "grow" to like you.. or at least, I don't believe there is.

You don't really "get to know a person" anymore.

Women think you either felt a spark or nothing at all.

But a lot of relationships came about when people go to know one another.

Think about first dates, before you were in the game. You were probably awkward.

So you go on a couple of dates, though, and then she sees that it was just jitters and you open up to one another and see if there is anything of substance.

There isn't any of that anymore.

Either she is excited or you're dead.

I can't remember who I was talking with this about (maybe Dagonet from Quest for 50?).

USed to be you dated. Then it was online dating where you drafted a profile.

Now we are the "Tinder Generation." You just swipe yes or no. That's it. That's everything.

They say the hamster decides to fuck or not within 3 seconds after meeting. The good thing is, you can learn to recognize the decision. If I reenact my successful conquests (all were cold approaches), I knew I made her tingle from the go. But maybe my game just sucks, I know my date-game does.

I think the guy gets laid so regularly that he didn't feel like putting up with her shit. Probably left and went back out to pull and then banged a regular at 3am.

Quote: (12-21-2013 03:16 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  

dude. Who cares how "alpha" his body language is -- if he doesn't have the game to charm a sweet smart and melancholy Catholic school girl-next-door DC 8 with a pretty face and likely very nice body and be fucking the shit out of her and making her squeal like the cute chipmunk slut that she wants and needs to be, then he's not much of a player in my estimation.

Kaitlin is not going to date you no matter how many posts like these you type.
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Meaning what?
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Re-read what you wrote about that girl. Pedestalization and white knighting.

She's just another cute girl, man. Nothing special about her.

Quote: (12-21-2013 03:09 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

USed to be you dated. Then it was online dating where you drafted a profile.

Now we are the "Tinder Generation." You just swipe yes or no. That's it. That's everything.

Damn.

Letting this sink in...

Quote: (12-21-2013 03:09 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

So you go on a couple of dates, though, and then she sees that it was just jitters and you open up to one another and see if there is anything of substance.

There isn't any of that anymore.

Either she is excited or you're dead.

It's like something I've said before - why players have such a strong advantage on first dates. It's only players who are comfortable showcasing their personality right from the start - normal people take some time. So a player always seems larger than life - "wow, most guys I go on dates with are kind of boring, but I feel like I've known this guy forever, he's so fresh and natural!" Most people feel like they have to keep to some first date script, and players flout that hardcore, and chicks LOVE it.

I knew a girl who went on a first date with a guy, and was all ready to bail and never see him again. Her friend recommended she give him another try. She did, and they got married.

The dirty little detail though - this chick was super religious, and had never kissed anyone. Probably the same was true for the guy. He was also extremely lame, and somewhat unattractive while she was pretty decent looking and modest.

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Quote: (12-21-2013 03:07 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  

Further:

1. To me, the things a girl is supposed to "bring to the table" is her face, skin, tits, ass and legs, not necessarily in that order. Bonus points if she is not a tatted-up whore who's been riding the carousel since before dinosaurs roamed the earth. I don't need her to entertain me -- in fact there are few things more annoying than "intelligent girl" babble.

It sounds like your standards are so low because American women are so shitty. It's like if you only had fat chicks to choose from, fatness would cease to be something you were choosy about - it was just a given. You think you're being hypermasculine or whatever, but really you're just adjusting to a lack of quality, specifically femininity. I'm not that different, but I'm aware of the absence - I understand why a guy would want more.

3. Also: girls who haven't ridden every cock within a 10 squared mile radius can be a little shy and awkward on a date. That's normal girlish femininity. Would you rather have a cougar sporting a full sleeve who is "confident", "has been around the block and knows exactly what she wants" and can "down shots with the guys"? No thanks.

We can tell she's not merely shy, but borderline cunty. To be fair though, maybe she's just used to hotter guys - I think what really rankles us is that she claims to be open to romance and spurns it when she gets the chance. It's really that hypocrisy that gets our goat.

4. Finally, I don't get all the admiration for this dude. Who cares how "alpha" his body language is -- if he doesn't have the game to charm a sweet smart and melancholy Catholic school girl-next-door DC 8 with a pretty face and likely very nice body and be fucking the shit out of her and making her squeal like the cute chipmunk slut that she wants and needs to be, then he's not much of a player in my estimation.

Lol it's always a numbers game. Even with perfect game you won't nail every hoe in your orbit. If a man says otherwise, I have to wonder how much of a player *he* is...

Mike,

I'm not pedestalizing her at all. My point is the opposite. She's a pretty girl who needs to be taken in hand and fucked, that's all. The guy wasn't fast on his feet.

Quote: (12-21-2013 02:50 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  

First, did guys actually watch the video??

We're talking about the girl being interviewed, not the interviewer, in case this isn't clear! Kaitlin (the Date Lab girl) doesn't appear until about 25 seconds into the video and she is not the girl in the youtube screen capture.

Kaitlin is f'ing hot as hell -- hotter in the video than she looks in her pics.

Yeah, I know which girl she is. She's cute but nothing special. Taylor can do better - and I think he knows this. To each their own though.

Basil,

I don't get this. Watch the video. She's a melancholy, cute girl who needs to be provoked. This amiable and goofy dude didn't get it done.

And I'm not claiming that I would. But I would try.

Just read the actual article.

I think the guy is fairly new to game because he seemed to try and demonstrate value by talking about all the dates he goes on, his attempted message is "women find me attractive". This is a rookie mistake in my opinion because most women aren't very perceptive and the only message they get is "why isn't this guy talking about me?.

It actually creates distance rather than a connection. It also sounds like he persisted in that way.

If his goal was to bang her then he lost, but if his goal was to make her feel bad, he probably did but hell just get written off as being "a douchbag" and any fault or ineptness of her own will be denied.

Also, it seems like rather than playfully answering her questions and making things fun, he played into her cold lifeless frame.