[Hotwheels]

(12-21-2013 04:59 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

To settle the hover-hand debate:

The calling card of the hover hand is the over-the-shoulder grab--which is how you embrace your buddies. If you're feeling zero timidity about grabbing a chick, you go around the waist.

heh I type slow apparently. See above post.

[Christian McQueen]

In this instance his Hover Hand is not displaying confidence, however,

I Hover Hand bitches I've fucked and ones I'm about to all the time.

To put a hand on her wait isn't always comfortable. I'm generally taller then chicks so it's comfortable to me to drape my arm around their neck with my hand dangling.

The hand on the waist can also look like it's your Prom night.

[Timoteo]

That had to be the most contentious date I've read about on Date Lab. From jump her defenses were up - he never had a chance. She definitely carries a bit of a chip, and unless she determines a guy is "her type" immediately, he probably won't get a real shot.

[AnonymousBosch]

(12-21-2013 05:14 PM)McQueensPlayboyRules Wrote:  

To put a hand on her wait isn't always comfortable. I'm generally taller then chicks so it's comfortable to me to drape my arm around their neck with my hand dangling.

The hand on the waist can also look like it's your Prom night.

I'll split the difference. The reacharound one-handed tit cup out-alphas all.

Is this alpha Queen Bee?

[Duke Castile]

Dude, 100% agree. Just pointing out from a game perspective where he went wrong. If the broad turns you off and you don't feel like plowing through it, more power to you.

I alluded to that in my first post. A guy with abundance wouldn't waste his time.

Also, this girl is just positive random for lizard. I don't think he's pedestalizing

[Veloce]

We should have a courtesy service where we forward the Date Lab participants our sidelines breakdown. This shit is hilarious. Debates over "hover-hand" and the use of "positive random". You'd think we were highly paid political analysts.

On no other forum I know of would you have such a recourse that's determined to strip away the bullshit and rhetoric and call it for what it is.

[josephkay]

(12-21-2013 03:37 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  

Fisto,

"her cold lifeless frame."

That's the key. She needs to be provoked out of that, into a different mode, a different world.

Lizard, you can fantasize about that, but sometimes with some girls, there's nothing inside that frame. It's sad and disappointing, but there are people who don't have much of an interior life. Or they never show too much excitement for anything. And it's too bad since she's attractive and is not a carousel-rider and appears to have a lot of the qualities that are valorized on RVF, but it's often not worth the effort and frustration to deal with girls who don't give you anything to work with.

If you're in the game, there's tons of selection bias. If you're doing night game, you're meeting girls who would be at a bar and a club rather than hanging out at home knitting with their same group of friends. If you're doing day game, you're meeting girls who make themselves approachable. If one of those girls initially acts like Kaitlin, you can do some work and see if you can get her emotionally excited. But if it's a girl who is being fixed up by you by a national newspaper, then maybe not.

[Merenguero]

(12-21-2013 05:55 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  

We should have a courtesy service where we forward the Date Lab participants our sidelines breakdown. This shit is hilarious. Debates over "hover-hand" and the use of "positive random". You'd think we were highly paid political analysts.

On no other forum I know of would you have such a recourse that's determined to strip away the bullshit and rhetoric and call it for what it is.

You could always post comments following the Date Lab articles in hopes that the participants read the comments. I think Tuthmosis was banned from posting comments there a while back.

[Sawyer]

(12-21-2013 12:32 PM)Ensam Wrote:  

Not as cute as I first thought.

Vocal fry drives me up the wall. It's one fad that needs to be stopped yesterday.

[speakeasy]

(12-21-2013 02:50 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  

First, did guys actually watch the video??

We're talking about the girl being interviewed, not the interviewer, in case this isn't clear! Kaitlin (the Date Lab girl) doesn't appear until about 25 seconds into the video and she is not the girl in the youtube screen capture.

Kaitlin is f'ing hot as hell -- hotter in the video than she looks in her pics.

EDIT: I can't seem to embed the right start time but just go to about 25 seconds in.

Kaitlin is about a 6, maybe a 6.5 on a good day. Cute, but nothing to get excited over unless she had a personality to match, which she doesn't from the interview or video.

[Timoteo]

Kaitlin is cute, but she isn't fly enough to be a bitch. If her body is bangin', and not simply average (I detect some sloppiness about the arms from the pic of her in the silver dress), that would take her up a notch or two. Again, being a bitch negates some of that. I can see a guy hanging in long enough to smash, then getting annoyed and letting it fizzle.

[soup]

There's a difference bettween doing the claw and the hover hand.

The claw is a loose sort of head-lock.

This guy is hover-handing. It looks really awkward.

It's better to wrap you arm around her waist, this gives her the ability to throw her arms around your neck.

---

I've been dealing with center of gravity issues with some of the chicks who are either smaller or taller than me.

My sense now is that you have to make sure that you and the girl's center of gravity is always on the same level.

So with a small girl you can pick her up, or bend your knees a little. With a tall girl, you have to stand tall. Either way don't shrug your shoulders and make sure you are using your core muscles to hold up your torso.

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It would be funny if datelab set up a date where the guy was just going completely caveman the whole time. If any of us get on datelab, that would be the ultimate trolling.

[Glock]

Kaitlin looks a little heavy to me. Definitely not hot. She's only a point better than the interviewer.

[Merenguero]

(12-21-2013 08:04 PM)Consul Wrote:  

Kaitlin looks a little heavy to me. Definitely not hot. She's only a point better than the interviewer.

Since she is now 25, my guess is that that interview took place at least three years ago. She may have lost some weight since then. In the D.C. area, she is far above average, although it appears as though the attractiveness of girls in the area has increased quite a bit during the past three or four months.

[Parlay44]

You guys must be some male models or something. She may be annoying and dumb but she's not fat or ugly in my opinion.

[eradicator]

(12-21-2013 08:04 PM)Consul Wrote:  

Kaitlin looks a little heavy to me. Definitely not hot. She's only a point better than the interviewer.

OK, i messed up and thought kaitlin WAS the interviewer. I fucking hate the interviewer.

Kaitlin actually comes off pretty good in the interview.

As for what a woman brings to the table: you should be paying attention to whether she is nice and not bitchy(as well as being good looking of course)

[Enigma]

We were both freshman at the same time but I don't recognize her. She's lackluster compared to the rest of the talent on campus.

My missed opportunity to pull a Gmac will haunt me forever though.

[Hencredible Casanova]

Kaitlin is wack. Typical delusional DC hamster. She has like no dating experience in DC and hardly gotten any attention (by her own admission) so what's a player to do? She starts off by saying the guy is not exactly her type, but what "type" does she even have when she doesn't date anyone? She undoubtedly suffers from various personality disorders. It be one thing if we were talking about a normal girl who normally gets swooped by dating guys out of interest in the opposite sex, but instead we're talking about a frigid cunt who lacks an iota of self-awareness or femininity and hardly ever goes out. No player in their right mind would want anything to do with a chick like that.

[Parlay44]

Hen bro, she's hot enough to pass the boner test. When you say things like this:

Quote:

No player in their right mind would want anything to do with a chick like that.

It makes me think you're looking for an LTR. She's completely bangable. Just pump and dump.

[Hencredible Casanova]

(12-21-2013 10:07 PM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

Hen bro, she's hot enough to pass the boner test. When you say things like this:

Quote:

No player in their right mind would want anything to do with a chick like that.

It makes me think you're looking for an LTR. She's completely bangable. Just pump and dump.

I wouldn't say she's hot. But I wasn't even talking about her looks, just her personality. It's a DC thing that one has to be familiar with to appreciate. A player needs something to work with to even get a pump and dump. Her banal conversation and sense of entitlement/lack of experience precludes that from even happening for most guys. That's why I said no player in their right mind would want to be around a chick that delusional.

[iknowexactly]

(12-21-2013 12:11 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  

If it's true she's only been on a small number of dates, so much the better, less wear and tear. She does look unusually fresh and unspoiled for a US 25.

TO be honest, from that one pic, I should admit I think she's beautiful. And still coasting on it. I'm wondering if she wasn't thinking right away "27!! that's too OLD for me. Just two years ago she was feasting on super jock 22 year olds

In high school, ALL she had to do was look like that, but to get an accomplished guy in a major city to MARRY her ( her inevitable bio-programmed goal) she has to expend some effort to come off as more than a Barbie doll. If she's not smart enough to spout about some subject, she could become a skilled and genial interviewer to make a man feel interesting.

Oh how interesting. How do you do that? What's the important part of doing that right? What's the rookie mistake people make when they first do that? She doesn't have to know anything, just act interested.

[iknowexactly]

(12-21-2013 04:59 PM)Hotwheels Wrote:  

First off, I would wreck that trim.


Personally, I think he's coming across as a bit butthurt that she wasn't enamored with him. Otherwise why slag a broad that doesn't do it for you? Move on without buring bridges.

Especially in a public forum such as date lab where you may likely be recognized around town.

Yeah, it's déclassé to slag her especially if she didn't say anything specifically bad about him. It's not her fault if she didn't like him a lot.
Saying there's no chemistry as she did is not really an insult, but he kind of looks weak cutting on her.

Classier just to say something glib and ambiguous like "very pretty", keep quiet, and refuse to get pulled into the frame of drama whoring of the newspaper.

[jariel]

She's not a bad looking chick, but she doesn't give me the "I'd be remiss if I didn't go talk to her" kind of vibe, nor is there anything about her physically that suggests she'd make my dick hard.

I want chicks to meet a certain attractiveness standard, but I also need to get a vibe that she's going to be able to please me when it goes down, and there's nothing about her that indicates to me she'd drain my balls; if anything, she'd get more out of it than I would.

WNB.

[soup]

She's like a high 6 possible 7 on her best day. I agree with Tuth that any guy who goes on this setting himself up for some bs. Why would any want to be on date lab anyway? Why woul you want your personal dating life dissected in front of everybody with your name on it? Seems kind of gay to me.

[Dusty]

(12-21-2013 11:17 PM)soup Wrote:  

She's like a high 6 possible 7 on her best day. I agree with Tuth that any guy who goes on this setting himself up for some bs. Why would any want to be on date lab anyway? Why woul you want your personal dating life dissected in front of everybody with your name on it? Seems kind of gay to me.

I can't imagine many women who would risk admitting liking a guy when there is a real risk he might not be interested - when its in the Washington Goddamn Post!

Most women I know have very vulnerable egos, don't handle rejection well, and are very concerned about what others think of them. The dice are loaded right from the start. Of course she's going to try to preempt his rejection with her own rejection of him. Heaven forbid the world finds out a guy finds her unfuckable.

I once met a girl online. We had drinks and in the parking lot we made out. While we were making out she told me she thinks I'm so cute. I wasn't in to her. After a few days of not hearing from me she sent me an email saying "You're a really sweet guy, thanks for meeting me, but I have to say I don't think we're a good match. I'm just not physically attracted to you. Best of luck in your search!" HA HA the games girls play to try to protect their egos.