[The Lizard of Oz]

Fisto,

"her cold lifeless frame."

That's the key. She needs to be provoked out of that, into a different mode, a different world.

[soup]

Liz I think mike is talking about the way you described her- it reveals that you are fantasizing about her, like a girl of your dreams.

[The Lizard of Oz]

soup,

I love a girl like that -- exactly because she seems so dead, so cold. That's the challenge; that's what makes me want to fuck her.

[Bacchus]

From the comments section:

Quote:

vankrasn responds:

12/20/2013 8:17 PM EST

the guy needs to read more Carolyn Hax

[The Lizard of Oz]

Fuck I want to put her on a one year wagon!

[Christian McQueen]

Damn, I really feel for you DC residents.

The reality is when you start to pull incredible amounts of ass, the tolerance for stupidity from a girl lessens.

Back in the day I might deal with a shitty attitude etc in order to get the notch, but now I could give two fucks. If she's cunty, I eject and in spectacular fashion.

[Veloce]

Fisto and Lizard, it goes both ways. How many of us have met a girl that, from a distance, induced a raging boner. But then you go talk to her and a few minutes into it you'd rather slam your face on the bar than be with her for another minute? Some women are that cunty and repulsive, and we've all been there.

This chick was prez of a sorority and she's being interviewed about some bullshit charity dance-a-thon or something, I'm not sure I wasn't really paying attention. The point being is all signs point to her cuntiness. If you've got what it takes to push through that and get the bang, more power to you, but these days I don't. Attraction for me isn't 100% physical as much as i wish it was sometimes.

The dude might have sub-par game, or maybe he wasn't inspired to bring his A-game to the table. Are there any players on this forum that can claim to be "on" 100% of the time? Or would you all agree that the girl has to bring something to the table for you to bring it? For me, I'm not really in the "zone" unless there's some chemistry with the girl. If a girl is still cold and distant after a 5-10 minutes of banter, you've got to throw her in the reject pile.

Also Lizard I know which girl in the youtube vid is her. Still not sure what you're all stoked about, but again to each their own.

[Parlay44]

(12-21-2013 03:54 PM)McQueensPlayboyRules Wrote:  

Damn, I really feel for you DC residents.

The reality is when you start to pull incredible amounts of ass, the tolerance for stupidity from a girl lessens.

Back in the day I might deal with a shitty attitude etc in order to get the notch, but now I could give two fucks. If she's cunty, I eject and in spectacular fashion.

Ejecting is fine but you have to burn something into her mind that she'll carry for a while so she'll know not to be a cunt again. Like the bad breaker upper on Seinfeld.

[Brodiaga]

Am I the only one who gets a little depressed after reading the Date Lab?

[MikeCF]

(12-21-2013 04:05 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  

This chick was prez of a sorority and she's being interviewed about some bullshit charity dance-a-thon or something, I'm not sure I wasn't really paying attention. The point being is all signs point to her cuntiness. If you've got what it takes to push through that and get the bang, more power to you, but these days I don't. Attraction for me isn't 100% physical as much as i wish it was sometimes.

Once you've had enough bangs to satisfy the ego, personality matters more.

Or at least that was the case for me.

I got to a very, "Sex: take it or leave it," absent extreme horniness or something.

If a girl pissed me off, I would rather go home and watch porn rather than deal with a bad personality.

[The Lizard of Oz]

dude,

I don't know why everybody assumes she's "cunty." She seems sort of shy and self-effacing when she speaks, a little insecure.

She seems very malleable...

[Veloce]

Between her comments on the original datelab article, combined with her background and career, combined with her weird body and vocal tics in the video, okay maybe cunty is not the right word...

...damaged goods?
...unpleasant?
...neurotic?

Nothing good's really jumping out at me here.

[Parlay44]

(12-21-2013 04:10 PM)Brodiaga Wrote:  

Am I the only one who gets a little depressed after reading the Date Lab?

Don't. The show is all about bottom feeder women who can't get a man in real life.

And like Tuth described previously, rejecting men is an ego boost to these worthless women. They're pandering to their main demographic ...other worthless women that watch the show. There are greener pastures out there my friend. Go out and explore.

[The Lizard of Oz]

dude,

The whole point of game is to change a girl -- right there and then -- give her a release from her cultural cuntiness and neuroticism -- make her want to drown in your difference.

She'll relax after she comes.

[Menace]

(12-21-2013 04:18 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  

dude,

The whole point of game is to change a girl -- right there and then -- give her a release from her cultural cuntiness and neuroticism -- make her want to drown in your difference.

She'll relax after she comes.

Disagree. The point of game is to bang a girl. Or to keep an LTR going. There is no point changing a girl. I'd rather find a different girl that doesn't need changing. It's easier. You're going to put in all this effort to combat years of cultural conditioning or family/relationship history? Why?

[JohnKreese]

I'm the only one who is getting a John Rocker look AND vibe from this guy?

[Stun]

(12-21-2013 04:26 PM)Menace Wrote:  

(12-21-2013 04:18 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  

dude,

The whole point of game is to change a girl -- right there and then -- give her a release from her cultural cuntiness and neuroticism -- make her want to drown in your difference.

She'll relax after she comes.

Disagree. The point of game is to bang a girl. Or to keep an LTR going. There is no point changing a girl. I'd rather find a different girl that doesn't need changing. It's easier. You're going to put in all this effort to combat years of cultural conditioning or family/relationship history? Why?

I think he means change her emotional state. That is usually my goal.

[The Lizard of Oz]

Menace,

Man I don't mean change her for life, I just mean change her that night; I agree the point is to bang her. So if she's acting a way you don't like, or that turns you off, you game her into something else, something better.

Then you both enjoy it.

[Veloce]

(12-21-2013 04:18 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  

dude,

The whole point of game is to change a girl -- right there and then -- give her a release from her cultural cuntiness and neuroticism -- make her want to drown in your difference.

She'll relax after she comes.

I wouldn't go so far as to say "The whole point of game is to change a girl". That's a bit of a hyperbolic statement.

There are plenty of scenarios where you walk into a bar, see a girl with her girlfriend and they look like bitchy twats. You give them the benefit of the doubt and approach, and they either confirm or kill your initial impression. Some girls take some warming up, so you give them a time limit. If they don't warm up after a certain amount, you throw in the reject pile.

Tuth nailed it; even the best game and most handsome suitor can't override her hamster wiring in this scenario. This chick was a reject from the get-go.

[MrXY]

(12-21-2013 03:29 PM)basilransom Wrote:  

(12-21-2013 03:09 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

So you go on a couple of dates, though, and then she sees that it was just jitters and you open up to one another and see if there is anything of substance.

There isn't any of that anymore.

Either she is excited or you're dead.

It's like something I've said before - why players have such a strong advantage on first dates. It's only players who are comfortable showcasing their personality right from the start - normal people take some time. So a player always seems larger than life - "wow, most guys I go on dates with are kind of boring, but I feel like I've known this guy forever, he's so fresh and natural!" Most people feel like they have to keep to some first date script, and players flout that hardcore, and chicks LOVE it.

That's an excellent point, Basil. Players go on so many dates that we forget that most people don't-I bet the average person doesn't go on even one first date a month. They don't have nearly the experience interacting in a potentially sexually charged situation as we do, so they are often nervous, awkward and reserved.

But we feel quite comfortable in that environment; it's like the guy who wears a suit every day and seems like he would be fine playing tennis in it versus the guy who never wears one and looks stiff and like he doesn't know how to handle himself.

For me at least it's almost like all these dates blend into one and as you said I'm totally willing to experiment by taking risks, not giving a fuck and pushing boundaries because I know if I don't succeed this time it's no loss really, another girl is coming up shortly. Most guys don't have these opportunities that often so are much more risk averse and so are a lot less fun and attractive

[The Lizard of Oz]

(12-21-2013 04:26 PM)JohnKreese Wrote:  

I'm the only one who is getting a John Rocker look AND vibe from this guy?

[AnonymousBosch]

(12-21-2013 12:39 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  

That dude is classic. The smirk, the hair, the dress, the pocket square. Notice how he faces the camera full-on. There's a boldness in his appearance. He's no doubt a seasoned veteran.

Roosh I disagree about the hover hand. It's a very good hand position; he's resting his arm on her back just above the wrist so that his hand can dangle freely. In essence, he's using her as an arm rest.

Dude is a champ.

He shouldn't have shaved.

Counts as a hover hand by her body language in the photo. She's chicken-wing posing to look her best, completely unfocused and unphased by the possibility of body contact with him. She more concerned about the camera, which means although he's not unattractive to her - her body language would be much more awkward - he has been completely-written off sexually.

In his favour, he literally does not give a shit about that. She mustn't have been much to talk to.

[Hotwheels]

First off, I would wreck that trim.

Saying that, after reading the article I'm thinking the guy is uncalibrated. Granted, tone and inflection mean a lot, but from the sounds of it she wasn't buying the frat boy schtick he was selling. That's how he came across to me in written word.

And while talking about work may be a "DC thing", it doesn't mean he should do it. I don't recall anything said about other convo other than where they live and where they went to school. BORING.

She said he was gregarious and apparently she isn't. Opposites do not always attract. If he toned it down and tried connecting with her a bit things may have gone differently.

Personally, I think he's coming across as a bit butthurt that she wasn't enamored with him. Otherwise why slag a broad that doesn't do it for you? Move on without buring bridges.

Especially in a public forum such as date lab where you may likely be recognized around town.

[Tuthmosis]

To settle the hover-hand debate:

The calling card of the hover hand is the over-the-shoulder grab--which is how you embrace your buddies. If you're feeling zero timidity about grabbing a chick, you go around the waist.

[Hotwheels]

(12-21-2013 04:52 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

(12-21-2013 12:39 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  

That dude is classic. The smirk, the hair, the dress, the pocket square. Notice how he faces the camera full-on. There's a boldness in his appearance. He's no doubt a seasoned veteran.

Roosh I disagree about the hover hand. It's a very good hand position; he's resting his arm on her back just above the wrist so that his hand can dangle freely. In essence, he's using her as an arm rest.

Dude is a champ.

He shouldn't have shaved.

Counts as a hover hand by her body language in the photo. She's chicken-wing posing to look her best, completely unfocused and unphased by the possibility of body contact with him. She more concerned about the camera, which means although he's not unattractive to her - her body language would be much more awkward - he has been completely-written off sexually.

In his favour, he literally does not give a shit about that. She mustn't have been much to talk to.

Yep. If you were to photoshop him out of the pic that is exactly how she would pose for a pic.

He's not even there as far as she's concerned.

And as far as I'm concerned, any hand hanging off her shoulder is a hover hand.

Grab her around the waist.