Quote: (01-18-2019 07:31 PM)2 Cool 4 U Wrote:  

Median income in the bay area = 120k

Median home price in the bay area (between SF and San Jose along the peninsula, and Hayward to San Jose, and Marin County) = 1.1 Million

Median rent in the bay area (between SF and San Jose along the peninsula, and Hayward to San Jose, and Marin County) = 3k/month

There is no way a tech or finance worker can afford to live in the Bay Area. Unless they live with multiple roommates, live 1-2 hours away from work, or move to cheaper cities like Las Vegas, Phoenix, Seattle, Dallas, or Houston. Plus California has the highest income tax in the country.

$120k is the lower bound for tech jobs in the Bay Area. This salary is attainable even in support roles. In fact, a lot of the guys asking about code boot camps may be better served by aiming for one of these jobs rather than full-on software engineer. It's much harder to get hired as a software engineer with just a boot camp on your resume. But there are a lot of jobs that require social skills, technical competence, and some Javascript that pay $120k - $160k. Job titles include Customer Support Engineer, Technical Account Manager, Solutions Engineer, Solutions Consultant, Integrations Engineer, etc. One caveat though is that it is much more difficult to progress from one of these jobs to Software Engineer. So if you are dead set on being a developer, then you should continue to apply for Software Engineer jobs, even at smaller companies. If you're somewhat technical, but more of a people person, then these jobs can be a better fit.

Product Managers make around $200k+. These jobs are much harder to get since there's a lot of competition. This is also one of the only tracks that has a career ladder to Director of Product, VP of Product, etc. Get to that level, and you start making $300k - $400k and higher.

Software engineer salaries vary, but at top tier companies, they can make $350k - 400k. Lower tiers $200k - 300k. Entry level at smaller companies can be much lower, maybe $120k - 150k. Again, very competitive, but if you are graduating with a degree in computer science, and want to be an engineer, the Bay is where the money's at.

Salespeople are often in the same range as engineering or higher, but it's based on commission, so that can vary wildly depending on the company and territory.

Sales Engineers make $150k - 250k. This varies pretty wildly based on how technical the product is, and the commission component.

Another thing is that Engineering and Product work in levels. Level 4, level 5, etc. When you level up, you make more money. Engineers have the most liquid skill set, so they jump back and forth between big companies, often after big portions of their stock have vested, and they sometimes level up in the process. Leveling up is easier to do in the Bay. For Engineering and Product, a lot of their compensation is often in stock grants which vest over four years. So some of the big run-ups in compensation are due to the public and private markets, which have been in a bull market for the past 10 years.

Seattle oftentimes has a better ROI than the Bay because the pay is comparable, the cost of living is lower, and there is no state income tax. So you see a lot of people moving from the Bay to Seattle. But again, Seattle mainly has satellite offices, unless you work for Amazon or Microsoft. Satellite offices have lower career growth potential, so I suspect that a lot of people are leveling up in the Bay Area, and then moving to Seattle to pursue a big offer. There may also be some kind of tax play, but I haven't looked too deeply into it.

Looking only at cost of living and taxes is a penny ante mindset. Go to teamblind.com to get a more unfiltered view of what people are making. A lot of people are blowing smoke, but a lot of them aren't. In daily life, these people don't want to advertise the crazy amounts of money they're making because they know the hate they'll get for it, especially as people around them are struggling. And you certainly can't tell by the t-shirt and jeans they're wearing.

Quote: (01-18-2019 10:50 PM)Lampwick Wrote:  

$120k is the lower bound for tech jobs in the Bay Area. This salary is attainable even in support roles. In fact, a lot of the guys asking about code boot camps may be better served by aiming for one of these jobs rather than full-on software engineer. It's much harder to get hired as a software engineer with just a boot camp on your resume. But there are a lot of jobs that require social skills, technical competence, and some Javascript that pay $120k - $160k. Job titles include Customer Support Engineer, Technical Account Manager, Solutions Engineer, Solutions Consultant, Integrations Engineer, etc. One caveat though is that it is much more difficult to progress from one of these jobs to Software Engineer. So if you are dead set on being a developer, then you should continue to apply for Software Engineer jobs, even at smaller companies. If you're somewhat technical, but more of a people person, then these jobs can be a better fit.

Product Managers make around $200k+. These jobs are much harder to get since there's a lot of competition. This is also one of the only tracks that has a career ladder to Director of Product, VP of Product, etc. Get to that level, and you start making $300k - $400k and higher.

Software engineer salaries vary, but at top tier companies, they can make $350k - 400k. Lower tiers $200k - 300k. Entry level at smaller companies can be much lower, maybe $120k - 150k. Again, very competitive, but if you are graduating with a degree in computer science, and want to be an engineer, the Bay is where the money's at.

Salespeople are often in the same range as engineering or higher, but it's based on commission, so that can vary wildly depending on the company and territory.

Sales Engineers make $150k - 250k. This varies pretty wildly based on how technical the product is, and the commission component.

In those jobs you listed, they often work 60/70/80 hour workweeks, even 100+ hours. The money is great, but it's not worth it when you have little time to enjoy it.

Quote: (01-18-2019 11:50 PM)2 Cool 4 U Wrote:  

Quote: (01-18-2019 10:50 PM)Lampwick Wrote:  

$120k is the lower bound for tech jobs in the Bay Area. This salary is attainable even in support roles. In fact, a lot of the guys asking about code boot camps may be better served by aiming for one of these jobs rather than full-on software engineer. It's much harder to get hired as a software engineer with just a boot camp on your resume. But there are a lot of jobs that require social skills, technical competence, and some Javascript that pay $120k - $160k. Job titles include Customer Support Engineer, Technical Account Manager, Solutions Engineer, Solutions Consultant, Integrations Engineer, etc. One caveat though is that it is much more difficult to progress from one of these jobs to Software Engineer. So if you are dead set on being a developer, then you should continue to apply for Software Engineer jobs, even at smaller companies. If you're somewhat technical, but more of a people person, then these jobs can be a better fit.

Product Managers make around $200k+. These jobs are much harder to get since there's a lot of competition. This is also one of the only tracks that has a career ladder to Director of Product, VP of Product, etc. Get to that level, and you start making $300k - $400k and higher.

Software engineer salaries vary, but at top tier companies, they can make $350k - 400k. Lower tiers $200k - 300k. Entry level at smaller companies can be much lower, maybe $120k - 150k. Again, very competitive, but if you are graduating with a degree in computer science, and want to be an engineer, the Bay is where the money's at.

Salespeople are often in the same range as engineering or higher, but it's based on commission, so that can vary wildly depending on the company and territory.

Sales Engineers make $150k - 250k. This varies pretty wildly based on how technical the product is, and the commission component.

In those jobs you listed, they often work 60/70/80 hour workweeks, even 100+ hours. The money is great, but it's not worth it when you have little time to enjoy it.

That's also not true, it's very rare to work 70+ unless you are at a very early stage startup. Vast majority of the time it's 45-55 per week.

I think you should read up on these tech jobs to get an accurate picture. What people think and how things actually are in tech are often very different.

True. They don’t like high hours in tech. I saw that top MBAs who work at Google only put in 40-45 hours per week, according to Poets and Quants.

The industries that burn their employees to the ground are investment banking (80-100 hours/week), VC/PE (70 hours/week), and management consulting (60-70 hours/week).

You know, I was going to argue and say what an idiot anyone is for being in San Fran for game but at some point, you just kind of let it be. I ask myself what it means to me to advise men on what cities to avoid, it is kind of counterintuitive when you think about it. If enough men hear that a place like Miami is the place to be then slowly, Miami turns into a sausagefest if men follow that advice and now you have a San Francisco problem where an overweight 5 with ogre looks is getting validated by thirsty men since men outnumber women by a lot and girls above a 7 are out of reach unless you are in some tight knit social circle that is impossible to break into.

At some point, I say let men be. If a guy wants to game in the Hambeast and mentally sick women capital of America, let him. I applaud guys for lowering their standards that much, it leaves more room to game higher quality women in better cities anyways. The only thing I ask for is that San Fran keeps its trash in San Fran, keep your morally self-righteous hypocrite liberals in the Bay as well as the toxic radical SJW liberalism in giant tech companies.

Please keep San Francisco in San Francisco and don't bring it to the east coast. We don't want shit on our streets, hambeast feminists at every block, liberal white girls that will never practice what they preach, arrogant Asian and Indian immigrants and the loser who condemns the rich and hardworking as being empty on the inside.

You won't ever have to worry about Miami becoming the next Man Francisco, even if men worship it, since Miami's job market is terrible, as it's so Latin American-centric.

And this is no shot at Miami. It's my favorite city in America.

Male-dominated industries like finance, tech, law, etc will never be big in Miami, relative to cities like NYC, Chicago, SF, Boston, etc.

Quote: (01-24-2019 05:01 PM)GoingHAM20 Wrote:  

You won't ever have to worry about Miami becoming the next Man Francisco, even if men worship it, since Miami's job market is terrible, as it's so Latin American-centric.

And this is no shot at Miami. It's my favorite city in America.

Male-dominated industries like finance, tech, law, etc will never be big in Miami, relative to cities like NYC, Chicago, SF, Boston, etc.

I am very very worried about the two in bold, very. Especially with Google and Amazon opening up offices in NYC, hope they hire locally and keep the trash of the bay area in the bay area.

Beer, I think we got your point. We’ll make sure that whoever you don’t like is not going to leave the Bay Area. And we’ll also put border patrol to make sure guys don’t come here to game! Consider it done.

Quote: (01-18-2019 10:50 PM)Lampwick Wrote:  

but if you are graduating with a degree in computer science, and want to be an engineer, the Bay is where the money's at.

The bay sucks for dating due to bad m/f ratios and low quality women. It's the land of the 49ers. Not referring to the football team, but to the huge amount of women who are 4's and think/act like their 9's.

I would take Los Angeles/Orange county any day over the bay due to the huge amount of hot women.

Whats so hard to understand here.

No one goes to the Bay just to Game. Go to Vegas or NYC if you want just that.

Doesnt mean the Bay is horrible for Game though just cause other cities are better.

If you have your shit together you can clean up in the Bay. Maybe even more than other cities cause the competition is trash.

I spent a week in San Fran last year, it is a ghetto shithole.

I don't know how you could live and thrive there, the place is literally an open sewer overrun by the scum and degenerates of the earth.

Drugs, mental illness and hookers everywhere.

Quote: (01-25-2019 03:54 AM)Black Caesar Wrote:  

Whats so hard to understand here.

No one goes to the Bay just to Game. Go to Vegas or NYC if you want just that.

Doesnt mean the Bay is horrible for Game though just cause other cities are better.

If you have your shit together you can clean up in the Bay. Maybe even more than other cities cause the competition is trash.

I once had sex with four decent to attractive women in the same week, all from the Bay Area (though not the city proper), during a time while I had no job, no house, and no car. So you don't even need to have your shit together. You just can't be an autistic fucking dweeb. 50% autistic is really the upper limit, which sadly rules out many males residing in the Man Francisco Gay Area. I'm around 49% autism so I do alright when I'm back.

San Francisco: hands down the flakiest and worst quality girls in America (and that's saying something, lol). Literally everything about this city is awful except the salaries. WOAT city in the US for dating and everything else.

Ocean? Food quality? Views? Day trips? Nature access? Is all of that literally awful?

I think we have established that SF is not great for game, but the amount of absolutist hate that some people spit is confusing me. You people really hate everything about SF? I don’t live there anymore, but I have to admit it has some good qualities. I just don’t like the amount of urban yuppies in it and the “office worker” vibe it has. It’s stressful. But it has good stuff about it too.

I liked some things about it Greenhills, didn't really get to enjoy the views much after the first day with the fog or smog whatever it was. The cost of hotels is very high, seemed like NY prices to me.
Went ass over tit crossing one of the busted up roads (was sober) so that wasn't a good start. Overall it didn't match the image I had in mind although I admit I was only there 4 days.
Glad I stayed there but once was enough.

Quote: (01-25-2019 04:06 PM)RatInTheWoods Wrote:  

I spent a week in San Fran last year, it is a ghetto shithole.

I don't know how you could live and thrive there, the place is literally an open sewer overrun by the scum and degenerates of the earth.

Drugs, mental illness and hookers everywhere.

Plus SF is filled with man hating feminists and trannies

Quote: (01-25-2019 03:54 AM)Black Caesar Wrote:  

Whats so hard to understand here.

No one goes to the Bay just to Game. Go to Vegas or NYC if you want just that.

Doesnt mean the Bay is horrible for Game though just cause other cities are better.

If you have your shit together you can clean up in the Bay. Maybe even more than other cities cause the competition is trash.

I would rather go to Sacramento to game. At least there's somewhat better quality women and a higher chance of finding a straight woman there

"WOAT city in the US for dating and everything else."

This is way overblown.

"I would rather go to Sacramento to game. At least there's somewhat better quality women and a higher chance of finding a straight woman there"

This is just dumb.

Everyone is titled to their trash opinions though.

Quote: (01-24-2019 05:01 PM)GoingHAM20 Wrote:  

You won't ever have to worry about Miami becoming the next Man Francisco, even if men worship it, since Miami's job market is terrible, as it's so Latin American-centric.

And this is no shot at Miami. It's my favorite city in America.

Male-dominated industries like finance, tech, law, etc will never be big in Miami, relative to cities like NYC, Chicago, SF, Boston, etc.

Miami's trying to transform itself into a contemporary tech hub. There were some tech things around Wynwood. It'll fail.

I've never been anywhere that people trust each other less than Miami... even Craigslist doesn't work since everybody is so used to scamming each other, or defending against scams. You can't get scalable entrepreneurial effort off the ground when people backstab each other for a few hundred bucks. "Sunny weather, shady people."

That said, Miami's not that expensive for an urban area. An awesome condo in Brickell is ~300000. If you have a seven-figure stash you can live in Miami, doing whatever and live off that interest.

Quote: (01-18-2019 10:50 PM)Lampwick Wrote:  

Product Managers make around $200k+. These jobs are much harder to get since there's a lot of competition. This is also one of the only tracks that has a career ladder to Director of Product, VP of Product, etc. Get to that level, and you start making $300k - $400k and higher.

Software engineer salaries vary, but at top tier companies, they can make $350k - 400k. Lower tiers $200k - 300k. Entry level at smaller companies can be much lower, maybe $120k - 150k.

Sales Engineers make $150k - 250k. This varies pretty wildly based on how technical the product is, and the commission component.

Only a small amount of people in the bay make that kind of money. Not much people there make over 120k

Err median household income in the Bay proper is like $100-120k so actually plenty of people make that.

Besides it is all extremes. For every chick slumming it working freelance for BuzzFeed there is a girl pulling in high six figures at SalesForce.

Quote: (01-24-2019 12:30 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  

Please keep San Francisco in San Francisco and don't bring it to the east coast. We don't want shit on our streets, hambeast feminists at every block, liberal white girls that will never practice what they preach, arrogant Asian and Indian immigrants and the loser who condemns the rich and hardworking as being empty on the inside.

Are you self hating here??

Here is the human poop map for San Francisco, just for travelers to avoid any bad steps.



https://kfiam640.iheart.com/content/2018...francisco/

Quote: (08-16-2013 09:07 AM)Vaun Wrote:  

having spent a great deal of time in all of the major cities in the US, I would say #1 on my list for SF is the Elitism. There is an Elitism in SF you dont even find in NYC, LA, etc. Its similar to Seattle and Boston, you live in a marginally important city, but the fact you live there makes you culturally and socially superior to anyone. I didnt research it but he is probably a start up guy and all of the elitist midwesterners and east coasters that invade SF every year probably trash him and his company for having a mildly negative opinion. Its beautiful, but when I am there, and I spend a great deal of time there on business, I would rather stay in Palo Alto, Half Moon Bay, Pacifica, Sausalito, Berkeley. Personally, the south Peninsula/west San Jose is more interesting than SF. SF can be fun, but I can only take a few days of it. Back in the day they used to have the best music scene in the US, but that is long gone.

Boston isn't elitist. New England as a whole is just pragmatic. In other words, we don't like you unless you give us a reason to like you. Especially when it comes to interlopers. Otherwise, you're just scenery - and scenery doesn't talk. People who grew up here understand that.

Many of the people who live there, and the rest of New England, are descendants of revolutionaries, and we grew up steeped in that history and heritage. Boston has the best healthcare in the world. There is also Harvard, which produces the best doctors which go on to staff the best hospital in the world (Mass General). It's also the seat of football, baseball and basketball teams that represent 6 states. What city in the country can boast that? None. So, my question is, is it actually elitism if we are, in fact, better than you? I don't think it is.

Quote: (02-04-2019 03:43 PM)Subtext Wrote:  

Boston isn't elitist. New England as a whole is just pragmatic. In other words, we don't like you unless you give us a reason to like you. Especially when it comes to interlopers. Otherwise, you're just scenery - and scenery doesn't talk. People who grew up here understand that.

Many of the people who live there, and the rest of New England, are descendants of revolutionaries, and we grew up steeped in that history and heritage. Boston has the best healthcare in the world. There is also Harvard, which produces the best doctors which go on to staff the best hospital in the world (Mass General). It's also the seat of football, baseball and basketball teams that represent 6 states. What city in the country can boast that? None. So, my question is, is it actually elitism if we are, in fact, better than you? I don't think it is.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/elitist

You start off by saying Boston isn't elitist then every sentence after that is a reason for Boston to be elitist.:

Yeah Boston is great, we get it and the Pats just won another super bowl. Your insecurities are also showing by your post.

You must really want to believe Tom Brady's jizz has magical healing powers, given the amount of New England cock you are riding.