[Subtext]

(02-05-2019 12:54 PM)manfran Wrote:  

(02-04-2019 03:43 PM)Subtext Wrote:  

Boston isn't elitist. New England as a whole is just pragmatic. In other words, we don't like you unless you give us a reason to like you. Especially when it comes to interlopers. Otherwise, you're just scenery - and scenery doesn't talk. People who grew up here understand that.

Many of the people who live there, and the rest of New England, are descendants of revolutionaries, and we grew up steeped in that history and heritage. Boston has the best healthcare in the world. There is also Harvard, which produces the best doctors which go on to staff the best hospital in the world (Mass General). It's also the seat of football, baseball and basketball teams that represent 6 states. What city in the country can boast that? None. So, my question is, is it actually elitism if we are, in fact, better than you? I don't think it is.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/elitist

You start off by saying Boston isn't elitist then every sentence after that is a reason for Boston to be elitist.:

Yeah Boston is great, we get it and the Pats just won another super bowl. Your insecurities are also showing by your post.

You must really want to believe Tom Brady's jizz has magical healing powers, given the amount of New England cock you are riding.

You sound like you're from Los Angeles.

[manfran]

(02-05-2019 06:33 PM)Subtext Wrote:  

You sound like you're from Los Angeles.

Was I that important that you had to stop your New England cock riding to respond to me?

Not from LA but thanks.

[BossOfBosses]

(01-18-2019 10:50 PM)Lampwick Wrote:  

(01-18-2019 07:31 PM)2 Cool 4 U Wrote:  

Median income in the bay area = 120k

Median home price in the bay area (between SF and San Jose along the peninsula, and Hayward to San Jose, and Marin County) = 1.1 Million

Median rent in the bay area (between SF and San Jose along the peninsula, and Hayward to San Jose, and Marin County) = 3k/month

There is no way a tech or finance worker can afford to live in the Bay Area. Unless they live with multiple roommates, live 1-2 hours away from work, or move to cheaper cities like Las Vegas, Phoenix, Seattle, Dallas, or Houston. Plus California has the highest income tax in the country.

$120k is the lower bound for tech jobs in the Bay Area. This salary is attainable even in support roles. In fact, a lot of the guys asking about code boot camps may be better served by aiming for one of these jobs rather than full-on software engineer. It's much harder to get hired as a software engineer with just a boot camp on your resume. But there are a lot of jobs that require social skills, technical competence, and some Javascript that pay $120k - $160k. Job titles include Customer Support Engineer, Technical Account Manager, Solutions Engineer, Solutions Consultant, Integrations Engineer, etc. One caveat though is that it is much more difficult to progress from one of these jobs to Software Engineer. So if you are dead set on being a developer, then you should continue to apply for Software Engineer jobs, even at smaller companies. If you're somewhat technical, but more of a people person, then these jobs can be a better fit.

Product Managers make around $200k+. These jobs are much harder to get since there's a lot of competition. This is also one of the only tracks that has a career ladder to Director of Product, VP of Product, etc. Get to that level, and you start making $300k - $400k and higher.

Software engineer salaries vary, but at top tier companies, they can make $350k - 400k. Lower tiers $200k - 300k. Entry level at smaller companies can be much lower, maybe $120k - 150k. Again, very competitive, but if you are graduating with a degree in computer science, and want to be an engineer, the Bay is where the money's at.

Salespeople are often in the same range as engineering or higher, but it's based on commission, so that can vary wildly depending on the company and territory.

Sales Engineers make $150k - 250k. This varies pretty wildly based on how technical the product is, and the commission component.

Another thing is that Engineering and Product work in levels. Level 4, level 5, etc. When you level up, you make more money. Engineers have the most liquid skill set, so they jump back and forth between big companies, often after big portions of their stock have vested, and they sometimes level up in the process. Leveling up is easier to do in the Bay. For Engineering and Product, a lot of their compensation is often in stock grants which vest over four years. So some of the big run-ups in compensation are due to the public and private markets, which have been in a bull market for the past 10 years.

Seattle oftentimes has a better ROI than the Bay because the pay is comparable, the cost of living is lower, and there is no state income tax. So you see a lot of people moving from the Bay to Seattle. But again, Seattle mainly has satellite offices, unless you work for Amazon or Microsoft. Satellite offices have lower career growth potential, so I suspect that a lot of people are leveling up in the Bay Area, and then moving to Seattle to pursue a big offer. There may also be some kind of tax play, but I haven't looked too deeply into it.

Looking only at cost of living and taxes is a penny ante mindset. Go to teamblind.com to get a more unfiltered view of what people are making. A lot of people are blowing smoke, but a lot of them aren't. In daily life, these people don't want to advertise the crazy amounts of money they're making because they know the hate they'll get for it, especially as people around them are struggling. And you certainly can't tell by the t-shirt and jeans they're wearing.

Average for software engineers in SF (not senior engineers) is 130k
https://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=Software+E...isco%2C+CA

Senior engineers average 150-200k. Definitely not 400k.

Quote:

This is way overblown.

LA girls >> SF girls. Sorry you are a so butthurt about it

[Buddydowrongright2]

(02-06-2019 12:24 PM)BossOfBosses Wrote:  

(01-18-2019 10:50 PM)Lampwick Wrote:  

(01-18-2019 07:31 PM)2 Cool 4 U Wrote:  

Median income in the bay area = 120k

Median home price in the bay area (between SF and San Jose along the peninsula, and Hayward to San Jose, and Marin County) = 1.1 Million

Median rent in the bay area (between SF and San Jose along the peninsula, and Hayward to San Jose, and Marin County) = 3k/month

There is no way a tech or finance worker can afford to live in the Bay Area. Unless they live with multiple roommates, live 1-2 hours away from work, or move to cheaper cities like Las Vegas, Phoenix, Seattle, Dallas, or Houston. Plus California has the highest income tax in the country.

$120k is the lower bound for tech jobs in the Bay Area. This salary is attainable even in support roles. In fact, a lot of the guys asking about code boot camps may be better served by aiming for one of these jobs rather than full-on software engineer. It's much harder to get hired as a software engineer with just a boot camp on your resume. But there are a lot of jobs that require social skills, technical competence, and some Javascript that pay $120k - $160k. Job titles include Customer Support Engineer, Technical Account Manager, Solutions Engineer, Solutions Consultant, Integrations Engineer, etc. One caveat though is that it is much more difficult to progress from one of these jobs to Software Engineer. So if you are dead set on being a developer, then you should continue to apply for Software Engineer jobs, even at smaller companies. If you're somewhat technical, but more of a people person, then these jobs can be a better fit.

Product Managers make around $200k+. These jobs are much harder to get since there's a lot of competition. This is also one of the only tracks that has a career ladder to Director of Product, VP of Product, etc. Get to that level, and you start making $300k - $400k and higher.

Software engineer salaries vary, but at top tier companies, they can make $350k - 400k. Lower tiers $200k - 300k. Entry level at smaller companies can be much lower, maybe $120k - 150k. Again, very competitive, but if you are graduating with a degree in computer science, and want to be an engineer, the Bay is where the money's at.

Salespeople are often in the same range as engineering or higher, but it's based on commission, so that can vary wildly depending on the company and territory.

Sales Engineers make $150k - 250k. This varies pretty wildly based on how technical the product is, and the commission component.

Another thing is that Engineering and Product work in levels. Level 4, level 5, etc. When you level up, you make more money. Engineers have the most liquid skill set, so they jump back and forth between big companies, often after big portions of their stock have vested, and they sometimes level up in the process. Leveling up is easier to do in the Bay. For Engineering and Product, a lot of their compensation is often in stock grants which vest over four years. So some of the big run-ups in compensation are due to the public and private markets, which have been in a bull market for the past 10 years.

Seattle oftentimes has a better ROI than the Bay because the pay is comparable, the cost of living is lower, and there is no state income tax. So you see a lot of people moving from the Bay to Seattle. But again, Seattle mainly has satellite offices, unless you work for Amazon or Microsoft. Satellite offices have lower career growth potential, so I suspect that a lot of people are leveling up in the Bay Area, and then moving to Seattle to pursue a big offer. There may also be some kind of tax play, but I haven't looked too deeply into it.

Looking only at cost of living and taxes is a penny ante mindset. Go to teamblind.com to get a more unfiltered view of what people are making. A lot of people are blowing smoke, but a lot of them aren't. In daily life, these people don't want to advertise the crazy amounts of money they're making because they know the hate they'll get for it, especially as people around them are struggling. And you certainly can't tell by the t-shirt and jeans they're wearing.

Average for software engineers in SF (not senior engineers) is 130k
https://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=Software+E...isco%2C+CA

Senior engineers average 150-200k. Definitely not 400k.

Quote:

This is way overblown.

LA girls >> SF girls. Sorry you are a so butthurt about it

LA women are their own Nietzschean aphorism of issues but goddamn do they blow women from SF out of the water in both looks and personality. I have lived and both and my experience has reiterated this time and time again. Yes, there are other spots in the Man Francisco Gay Area where you can find pockets of good looking women who have fun and pleasant personalities but in SF proper those are few and far between. Cuntiness and fat feminism reigns in SF.

[The Beast1]

San Francisco's political and social climate is a lot like Boston and Toronto. However, I've found that the weather makes people significantly less cunty compared to Boston and Toronto.

Still don't want to live there!

[debeguiled]

(02-06-2019 05:07 PM)The Beast1 Wrote:  

San Francisco's political and social climate is a lot like Boston and Toronto. However, I've found that the weather makes people significantly less cunty compared to Boston and Toronto.

[The Beast1]

(02-06-2019 05:14 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  

(02-06-2019 05:07 PM)The Beast1 Wrote:  

San Francisco's political and social climate is a lot like Boston and Toronto. However, I've found that the weather makes people significantly less cunty compared to Boston and Toronto.

<funny pic>

I see your cloud of fog and raise you this abomination:



Fog and Rain beats snow ANY day of the week.

[Subtext]

(02-06-2019 01:16 AM)manfran Wrote:  

(02-05-2019 06:33 PM)Subtext Wrote:  

You sound like you're from Los Angeles.

Was I that important that you had to stop your New England cock riding to respond to me?

Not from LA but thanks.

Was I that important that you had to waste your first post on trying to make me ashamed of where I come from?

[manfran]

(02-06-2019 07:48 PM)Subtext Wrote:  

Was I that important that you had to waste your first post on trying to make me ashamed of where I come from?

Oh my muffin! You took my first post virginity! That must make you feel important like trying to win an argument on an anonymous internet forum!

But hey, chin up cock rider. I'm sure the Patriots will be at your place for your daily ass pounding.

New England 4 life! We're revolutionaries!

[Lampwick]

(02-06-2019 12:24 PM)BossOfBosses Wrote:  

Average for software engineers in SF (not senior engineers) is 130k
https://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=Software+E...isco%2C+CA

Senior engineers average 150-200k. Definitely not 400k.

400k is the high end for sure, not the average. I qualified that statement by saying what is possible at top tier companies. But there are thousands of highly compensated employees at these top tier companies, so such compensation is not unheard of.

Stock grants and bonuses have to be taken into account. Stock has appreciated significantly over the past 10 years, so compensation has as well by virtue of just vesting. Websites like Indeed and Glassdoor have lowball averages. If someone is an engineer in the Bay Area, and they're making 130k-150k total compensation, they're likely at a smaller startup and/or doing frontend instead of backend/big data/machine learning, etc. I do have some first-hand knowledge, plus discussions with acquaintances, which is what I'm basing these estimates on. Aggregated figures from popular websites are not accurate in my experience.

[Black Caesar]

These guys have no idea what they are talking about as there are sooooo many tech dudes in the Bay pulling down 7 figures for what is essentially a mid-tier middle-management position.

You just shouldn't listen to people who literally have zero knowledge of the facts on the ground.

[GreenHills]

7 figures? Well, that’s very rare. Director level at big co. Certainly not middle manager who was an engineer two years ago.
300-400k - thousands of people do that. If you’re a senior engineer worth your salt in a good public company, you’ll clear that with little difficulty.
150k - if you work at shit company or non public startup.

[Subtext]

(02-07-2019 08:44 AM)GreenHills Wrote:  

7 figures? Well, that’s very rare. Director level at big co. Certainly not middle manager who was an engineer two years ago.
300-400k - thousands of people do that. If you’re a senior engineer worth your salt in a good public company, you’ll clear that with little difficulty.
150k - if you work at shit company or non public startup.

Those numbers seem absolutely unreal to me. Where I come from, if you're making 70k, you're at the high end of well-off. Around here, it's restaurant, attorney, bar, comic book store, urban chicken farm.

[Black Caesar]

GreenHills,

Unfortunately you have no idea what you are talking about.

[GreenHills]

I believe I do . Which part do you think is incorrect?