Quote: (02-14-2012 05:54 PM)Feo Wrote:  

Bro...why is this thread even here?? If you are having trouble finding a non-black girl to date then you have trouble with your game...not your race..or your city. This is coming from a black guy who has been with all kinds of girls in all kinds of places. A lot of you guys on this forum are WAY to focused on race, and because of that your race becomes an issue.

I come on this forum a couple times a month and freaking every fucking time there is some guy with a post asking where black guys should go to find easy white sluts or what the best city is for black guys..or some shit along that line. Seriously man?

Sorry for the rant...but it's fucking annoying. Go fuck some white bitches or whatever your target race is..get tired of them and get over that shit.

Did you notice the OP has been banned and cant respond to your rant?

Quote: (02-14-2012 05:54 PM)Feo Wrote:  

Bro...why is this thread even here?? If you are having trouble finding a non-black girl to date then you have trouble with your game...not your race..or your city. This is coming from a black guy who has been with all kinds of girls in all kinds of places. A lot of you guys on this forum are WAY to focused on race, and because of that your race becomes an issue.

I come on this forum a couple times a month and freaking every fucking time there is some guy with a post asking where black guys should go to find easy white sluts or what the best city is for black guys..or some shit along that line. Seriously man?

Sorry for the rant...but it's fucking annoying. Go fuck some white bitches or whatever your target race is..get tired of them and get over that shit.

I think these are very beneficial. If they weren't, there wouldn't be so many of them. Black guys do have very different & specific challenges that other cultures don't share. But I wanted to know why would you click on a thread you have no interest in.

Also the best place is San Diego. You have to be physically fit though, & have a smooth vibe.

Quote: (02-14-2012 05:54 PM)Feo Wrote:  

Bro...why is this thread even here?? If you are having trouble finding a non-black girl to date then you have trouble with your game...not your race..or your city. This is coming from a black guy who has been with all kinds of girls in all kinds of places. A lot of you guys on this forum are WAY to focused on race, and because of that your race becomes an issue.

I come on this forum a couple times a month and freaking every fucking time there is some guy with a post asking where black guys should go to find easy white sluts or what the best city is for black guys..or some shit along that line. Seriously man?

Sorry for the rant...but it's fucking annoying. Go fuck some white bitches or whatever your target race is..get tired of them and get over that shit.

segmentation....segmentation...each group has it's own profile...you can't target all women with the same general bullshit...you gotta cooooorrrddinaaatee...

Quote: (02-15-2012 11:47 AM)Caramel Communist Wrote:  

Quote: (02-14-2012 05:54 PM)Feo Wrote:  

A lot of you guys on this forum are WAY to focused on race, and because of that your race becomes an issue.
Sorry for the rant...but it's fucking annoying. Go fuck some white bitches or whatever your target race is..get tired of them and get over that shit.

segmentation....segmentation...each group has it's own profile...you can't target all women with the same general bullshit...you gotta cooooorrrddinaaatee...

Ha ha- I hear you guys. Game is #1, personal improvement #2, race and all other stuff is distant #3.

As Caramel stated, this is all about segmentation. A lot of us have been successful all over, but some dudes need with help this. When you're a minority, no matter what kind, your approach can change based on location. Additional calibration is needed to excel, often based on others' preconceptions. Roosh wrote in one of his posts that in a bar, like 20 of out 50 chicks (I forget the exact number) may be into him. But only 5 out of 50 will be into his black friend. BUT the ones into his black friend will be MORE into it. Brilliant observation. So the percentages and approach angles change. If you do it right the odds get swung to your favor... venue selection is huge as is socialization and media influence.

Your game gets better on Sunday if you spent time in the film room during week like Peyton Manning; his game is the same, but he excels through superior information.

Sure there's too many of them, but IMO these threads are all about creating the “optimum conditions” for people that didn't come from the “indigenous” culture. Hell, I've been to 30+ countries, for business and personal, doing talks and stuff and I'm learning stuff like mad on this forum, things that are not immediately obvious. I don't need it to be successful, (that's what game is for) but honestly, understanding the deeper indicators of why I was or was not successful can be liberating.

For example:
-Why the f--- would anyone go to a club in Argentina to hear hip hop?...why not the obvious tango club? Answer "optimum conditions," stuff that's not immediately obvious.
-Why is some random Australian woman all over me...stuff that's not immediately obvious
-How MTV or BET penetration in a country affects chances...stuff that's not immediately obvious.
-How the existence or lack of a slave trade /and/or recent Immigration in a country affects chances...stuff that's not immediately obvious.

This stuff is fascinating, IMO. As long as its not whiny and complaining, I think these threads really help. There's serious knowledge here from people that know what they're talking about.

Quote: (02-14-2012 05:54 PM)Feo Wrote:  

Bro...why is this thread even here?? If you are having trouble finding a non-black girl to date then you have trouble with your game...not your race..or your city.

Ok. Go to Mississippi and then come back to us.

Quote: (02-14-2012 05:54 PM)Feo Wrote:  

If you are having trouble finding a non-black girl to date then you have trouble with your game...not your race..or your city.

Quote: (02-14-2012 05:54 PM)Feo Wrote:  

Bro...why is this thread even here?? If you are having trouble finding a non-black girl to date then you have trouble with your game...not your race..or your city. This is coming from a black guy who has been with all kinds of girls in all kinds of places. A lot of you guys on this forum are WAY to focused on race, and because of that your race becomes an issue.

I come on this forum a couple times a month and freaking every fucking time there is some guy with a post asking where black guys should go to find easy white sluts or what the best city is for black guys..or some shit along that line. Seriously man?

Sorry for the rant...but it's fucking annoying. Go fuck some white bitches or whatever your target race is..get tired of them and get over that shit.

And yet again, we have another "game transcends all" type of kat. I tell you what player, go to St. Petersburg, Russia or Bavaria in Germany and see how far you get with that. You can ignore it all you want, but the fact of the matter is it's all about location location location. Even white American dudes in Europe wanna know the spots where white Americans (a.k.a foreigners) kill. And hey, if you found a spot that has none of the bullshit we're talking about, then good for you. You're lucky. But stop ignoring your racial benefits and disadvantages. That's naive and unintelligent. If it was such a non issue why are so many guys still asking to this day about it? Why are white bitches parents still cringing at the idea of them bringing home Jerome? Nobody (at least not me) is saying black guys can't get chicks. What we're doing is acknowledging the fact that race and stereotyping still plays a part in the dating game, and like intelligent sentient beings we are trying to find the path of least resistance (or more resistance, in terms of pussy lol). Seriously bro, I've been down that road. In "Corporate America" for years. Ignoring your race doesn't solve anything.

Quote: (02-14-2012 05:54 PM)Feo Wrote:  

Bro...why is this thread even here?? If you are having trouble finding a non-black girl to date then you have trouble with your game...not your race..or your city. This is coming from a black guy who has been with all kinds of girls in all kinds of places. A lot of you guys on this forum are WAY to focused on race, and because of that your race becomes an issue.

I come on this forum a couple times a month and freaking every fucking time there is some guy with a post asking where black guys should go to find easy white sluts or what the best city is for black guys..or some shit along that line. Seriously man?

Sorry for the rant...but it's fucking annoying. Go fuck some white bitches or whatever your target race is..get tired of them and get over that shit.

But I guess when white guys asking where they can kill with Asians, that's just research. Not criticizing white guys who do that, but from what I see on the internet and the SWPL yuppie hellhole where I live, it seems like the same SWPL yuppie whites who criticizes blacks who do IR dating are the same ones who are saying "all white girls are feminist sluts" and are diving into the IR dating scene themselves, especially with Asian girls.

Not saying that all white guys are guilty of this, especially the usual posters. But Feo's comments reek of that double-standard shit you see from the SWPLs and yuppies who infest the Roissy/Heartiste comment board.

Now if this cat is black, than this dude has either never stepped a foot east of the Mississippi River or pulls off some faux "BET gangsta" game somewhere in ATL.

Quote: (02-09-2012 10:52 PM)PimpishMentality Wrote:  

Quote: (02-09-2012 09:20 PM)MiXX Wrote:  

Quote: (02-09-2012 09:12 PM)PimpishMentality Wrote:  

when I meet them I tell them directly.

1. I'm fuckin you in the ass
2. You're gonna drink my babies
3. I'm hittin that pussy however i want it
4. I'm gonna dress you up in a lil outfit
5. And video tape the whole thing 'cause i get off on that shit
   

Those words sound like something you would say to a hooker, not a non-pro you just met. So are you shoring pros is what to are saying?

Sigh...

I'm not shoring pros Mixx...

And I'm not...walking...up to a woman and telling her those things...

After a...rapport...has been established and sexual banter has begun I directly state what I want from them sexually.

That's my...GAME. Getting them so comfortable with me that they will do things sexually with me that they don't with anyone else.

Women...love...being...dominated.

So when you...tell...them what you want with bass and authority in your voice you can usually get it.

"...so what am I missing here if they are not hookers..."


G
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M
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When you have GAME :

1. 1. Don't need to spit game to ghetto bitches.
   2. Don't have to be an extremely high status male that your targets can easily identify
   3. Don't have to be an extremely good looking guy like a Tyson Beckford
   4. You can be overweight.
   

With...GAME...you can bang pretty much whoever you want. However, you want to.

Believe it or not Mixx, there are tons of women out there (who are not pros) that want to be talked to and done...NASTY.

All you need is...GAME...to bring the freak out of them.

Somebody say chuuuch!!! The problem isn't the girl it's the dudes most dudes are too scared to Tell women what they want, and try to sneak up on some pussy, but women not stupid they know what we want. but once you get over the fear it works!!! It seems the most raw crazy shit you say to a women the more they like as most guys walk on egg shells...

Like pimpish said all you have to do is Tell them and the majority will respond, shit works insane in places like Canada, it's nothing to walk up to 2 chicks in Canada in a club like " I'm fucking both of y'all" straight face no blinking no smile and then....it's goin down!

Most women want to try a lot of the same crazy shit we do but most dudes to scary to straight ask, and bullshit around.

For example I don't ask a chick "hey you coming over to watch movies or some other lame shit"

I say "what time you bringing my pussy over tonight"
Her "ummm 730???"

Damn pimpish spilling all the game!!!

“People who say it cannot be done should not interrupt those who are doing it.”
- Chinese proverb

@PhilI- because I'm a curious bastard. Agreed, SD is a good place to be.

@Caramel- Calibration is key. Agreed bro.

@46.- I'm just pointing out that there is a new one of these threads every week.. But good points...and I totally agree.

@rakishness- Been to Mississippi man, matter of fact one of my best friends (white) was born and raised in Mississippi. If that even means anything.

@Athlone- Cho my bwai. I mi think wah Carribean man miah could andastand whe I di come from.

@americaninEurope- Like I said, just pointing out that there is an abundance of these threads floating around. Totally agree with everything you said bro.

@Gorton's- I lived in Mobile, AL for 7 years.


Anyways, I made the post because it reminded me of my cousin who is always complaining about race, but then comes asking me how I get the variety of girls that I do. I tell him the same fucking thing everytime, you just have to forget about race sometimes man. Just my two cents, you can listen to that shit or let it pass you by. Matters to me none.

Quote: (02-14-2012 05:54 PM)Feo Wrote:  

Bro...why is this thread even here?? If you are having trouble finding a non-black girl to date then you have trouble with your game...not your race..or your city. This is coming from a black guy who has been with all kinds of girls in all kinds of places. A lot of you guys on this forum are WAY to focused on race, and because of that your race becomes an issue.

I come on this forum a couple times a month and freaking every fucking time there is some guy with a post asking where black guys should go to find easy white sluts or what the best city is for black guys..or some shit along that line. Seriously man?

Sorry for the rant...but it's fucking annoying. Go fuck some white bitches or whatever your target race is..get tired of them and get over that shit.

I couldn't agree with you more Feo. I think A FEW DUDES (not all) on this forum get hung up to much on the color of skin. Nowadays, this shouldn't really matter at all. I come from a hispanic mother and an American dad. I am okay with dudes saying like I am a brother (cause thats a cultural inside thing), but when you start saying shit like where should black dudes go to meet white chicks, and how do black dudes do in South America, or some other city, etc., the comments and threads become generalized, and hit on the skin color and sometimes the race thing too much. We are all the same, color of skin does not mean anything to me. You either have game, style, and CLASS or you do not regardless of color of skin.

Just wondering how many of you were told..."You're really cute and all, but I don't date "________ " guys."

..because I have been told this many times and will continue to hear this many more times.

Skin color and race are like weight, hair, height, teeth and clothing. They are all factors that people use to disqualify others. Some factors we have control of and others we do not.

• There is nothing wrong with seeking the affection of others who will not disqualify us for factors that are out of our control.
• There is nothing wrong with asking about places where certain types of people can seek the affection of others who will not disqualify them for factors that are out of their control.
  

Just because a certain thread is popping up more often than others signifies it is a current hot topic. All Roosh has to do is merge threads.

Quote: (02-16-2012 03:01 AM)txbeachbum Wrote:  

Quote: (02-09-2012 10:52 PM)PimpishMentality Wrote:  

Quote: (02-09-2012 09:20 PM)MiXX Wrote:  

Quote: (02-09-2012 09:12 PM)PimpishMentality Wrote:  

when I meet them I tell them directly.

1. I'm fuckin you in the ass
2. You're gonna drink my babies
3. I'm hittin that pussy however i want it
4. I'm gonna dress you up in a lil outfit
5. And video tape the whole thing 'cause i get off on that shit
   

Those words sound like something you would say to a hooker, not a non-pro you just met. So are you shoring pros is what to are saying?

Sigh...

I'm not shoring pros Mixx...

And I'm not...walking...up to a woman and telling her those things...

After a...rapport...has been established and sexual banter has begun I directly state what I want from them sexually.

That's my...GAME. Getting them so comfortable with me that they will do things sexually with me that they don't with anyone else.

Women...love...being...dominated.

So when you...tell...them what you want with bass and authority in your voice you can usually get it.

"...so what am I missing here if they are not hookers..."


G
A
M
E

When you have GAME :

1. 1. Don't need to spit game to ghetto bitches.
   2. Don't have to be an extremely high status male that your targets can easily identify
   3. Don't have to be an extremely good looking guy like a Tyson Beckford
   4. You can be overweight.
   

With...GAME...you can bang pretty much whoever you want. However, you want to.

Believe it or not Mixx, there are tons of women out there (who are not pros) that want to be talked to and done...NASTY.

All you need is...GAME...to bring the freak out of them.

Like pimpish said all you have to do is Tell them and the majority will respond, shit works insane in places like Canada, it's nothing to walk up to 2 chicks in Canada in a club like " I'm fucking both of y'all" straight face no blinking no smile and then....it's goin down!

man do I feel sorry for anybody who takes this advice in Canada and expects it to work. Hell you couldn't pull off that line with a pro in canada and have it work lol

Excuses...excuses. Stop being a bunch of babies. I'm black and I was at a NEO Nazi convention last year and I KILLED! The chics there loved me. I pull EVERYWHERE!

Quote: (03-22-2012 11:11 PM)Golden Boy Wrote:  

I couldn't agree with you more Feo. I think A FEW DUDES (not all) on this forum get hung up to much on the color of skin. Nowadays, this shouldn't really matter at all.

...but it does.

Whether it should or not is irrelevant.

Quote:Quote:

We are all the same, color of skin does not mean anything to me.

That's nice (save for the fact that you are just one person).

Quote:Quote:

You either have game, style, and CLASS or you do not regardless of color of skin.

Oh sure, that's true enough. The thing is that the color of your skin will a) impact the perception people have of those three factors and b) impact how receptive others are to the expression of those three factors.

Ex: I am a dark skinned black male. Let's judge my experience upon the basis of the three factors you listed within the context of my current environment.

My style of game in my environment must differ significantly from that of my white peers (much more comfort/rapport, less room for error, lower ROI at all times). I simply cannot approach and/or interact with non-black (read: 92%) females here in the same way many of my non-black peers can. Why? Girls perceive me differently upon the basis of my appearance, which comes packaged with many stereotypes, prejudices, and outright phobias (girls are much more likely here to outright fear me, hence the constant need for more comfort building).

I can ignore this reality and adopt your attitude (did that for most of my life, actually), but I'd be doing myself no favors. Race counts, like it or not.

My general style must leave much less room for error. I am already perceived as lower class, and must therefore work harder not to dress accordingly-my peers can get away with more. This goes back to having to counter some of the stereotypes, prejudices and fears that my appearance will elicit in women in my environment. The kinds of stereotypes/fears elicited do vary by environment/culture (different girls require different approaches, obviously). Threads like these help to point out how.

Finally, whether I actually have class or not, I am usually immediately perceived to lack it upon first sight (again, stereotypes). I can prove these assumptions wrong over time, but this is a hurdle my white/asian peers do not have to actually deal with.

As I said before, this example has been given in the context of just one environment (my college campus). Things can vary by city, culture, and nation. Threads like this help to outline how that variation works, and are therefore valuable.

Adjusting for the effect of race is no different to adjusting one's game for differences in education (super-highly educated DC lawyer chick vs. iowa pre-k teacher with bachelors) or location in your targets. You have to know your environment (and the limitations it will impose on you) if you want to succeed. Then, it is simply adapt or die.

Quote: (03-23-2012 01:56 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

the color of your skin will a) impact the perception people have of those three factors and b) impact how receptive others are to the expression of those three factors.

Girls perceive me differently upon the basis of my appearance, which comes packaged with many stereotypes, prejudices, and outright phobias (girls are much more likely here to outright fear me, hence the constant need for more comfort building).

My general style must leave much less room for error.

I can prove these assumptions wrong over time, but this is a hurdle my white/asian peers do not have to actually deal with.

Threads like this help to outline how that variation works, and are therefore valuable.

You have to know your environment (and the limitations it will impose on you) if you want to succeed.

Damn good post.

Hmmmmmmmmmm. I'm wondering if black dudes have to have 17% tighter game, dress 17% tighter, or do 17% more comfort building to clear this hurdle:
http://www.stanford.edu/~lstein/research...lehand.pdf

You just have to put in more work if you're a Latino or black guy and want some white girls. Stereotypes suck but its going to feel good when you break down the barriers and become her first. Personally, I'm tired of getting with girls who have "Latin fever". It was fun at first and still is when I'm extra horny, but I want a challenge now.

Quote: (03-22-2012 11:11 PM)Golden Boy Wrote:  

Quote: (02-14-2012 05:54 PM)Feo Wrote:  

Bro...why is this thread even here?? If you are having trouble finding a non-black girl to date then you have trouble with your game...not your race..or your city. This is coming from a black guy who has been with all kinds of girls in all kinds of places. A lot of you guys on this forum are WAY to focused on race, and because of that your race becomes an issue.

I come on this forum a couple times a month and freaking every fucking time there is some guy with a post asking where black guys should go to find easy white sluts or what the best city is for black guys..or some shit along that line. Seriously man?

Sorry for the rant...but it's fucking annoying. Go fuck some white bitches or whatever your target race is..get tired of them and get over that shit.

I couldn't agree with you more Feo. I think A FEW DUDES (not all) on this forum get hung up to much on the color of skin. Nowadays, this shouldn't really matter at all. I come from a hispanic mother and an American dad. I am okay with dudes saying like I am a brother (cause thats a cultural inside thing), but when you start saying shit like where should black dudes go to meet white chicks, and how do black dudes do in South America, or some other city, etc., the comments and threads become generalized, and hit on the skin color and sometimes the race thing too much. We are all the same, color of skin does not mean anything to me. You either have game, style, and CLASS or you do not regardless of color of skin.

DUDE YOU ARE NOT BLACK, so you would never understand this thread and why the question was asked. Walk a day in my shoes and then we can talk and you can add relative info to this thread.

AmericaninEurope is talking from experience, not what he thinks but what he knows.

Why would you get upset by this thread?
People need to understand there are places in the world where a black guy is taking a risk by visiting. Places where the local police will look the other way if you are in trouble.
A White guy can travel to any country and be pretty safe, no one is going to trouble him b/c of the colour of his skin. (eg Naughty Nomad raves about African pussy - fcuk dude has even been to Haiti).

I mean look at the BS in Florida with the young black kid getting shot for nothing!

Rant Over!!

I was sitting in a lobby today in San Francisco and this young brotha was with this FLY ass white girl. She was blonde and exotic looking, I don't like to stare but I couldn't stop looking at her. Easily a 9, model quality, face and body. And this dude was African dark, and not even particularly great looking. Very, very cool guy personality-wise. Not particularly stylish or a guy that look like he had money or anything, just a pretty normal looking dude in every way. I got to chatting with him for a minute and turned out his girl is from Brisbane, Australia. He's from SF and she was up here to visit him. They had to run so I don't know the story of how they met but one thing I can tell you is that a dark, average looking brotha will have next to no chance of pulling a white American girl of that quality. If that's what you want you're going to have to go abroad. Particularly Australia, Germany or Scandinavia.

Quote: (03-24-2012 04:11 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  

I was sitting in a lobby today in San Francisco and this young brotha was with this FLY ass white girl. She was blonde and exotic looking, I don't like to stare but I couldn't stop looking at her. Easily a 9, model quality, face and body. And this dude was African dark, and not even particularly great looking. Very, very cool guy personality-wise. Not particularly stylish or a guy that look like he had money or anything, just a pretty normal looking dude in every way. I got to chatting with him for a minute and turned out his girl is from Brisbane, Australia. He's from SF and she was up here to visit him. They had to run so I don't know the story of how they met but one thing I can tell you is that a [b]dark, average looking brotha will have next to no chance of pulling a white American girl of that quality[/b]. If that's what you want you're going to have to go abroad. Particularly Australia, Germany or Scandinavia.

Disclaimer: If this says anything that upsets or rattles my Rooshian white cousins, I apologise in advance.

@speakeasy - Really? No A concept that a lot of brothers share is that white lizards care about the skin tone of a black man and that he has to look like Reggie Bush to get azz. False.

To white lizards, they hardly see the difference and I actually find that the darker a brother, the easier of a time he has with white lizards.

I have a number of female friends of different hues and I have noticed their reactions to guys of that so called, no way, super dark hue.

If a white lizard is going to step out with being a brother, she wants a real brother and to them, 'African dark' is as real as it can be.

I have personally seen dark brothers having the best success with white lizards. I went out to Sauga about three weeks ago with a few friends from Southern Sudan. While I was engaged in convo with one of them who was pretty much as dark as it can get without looking purple, a cute blonde chick walked by and grabbed his dyck.

I assure you that the darker one is, the better it is for white lizards. If you couple that with a strong body (think Djimon Hounsou) and a shaven head, trust me, it's a wrap.

Quote: (03-24-2012 08:18 AM)Moma Wrote:  

I assure you that the darker one is, the better it is for white lizards. If you couple that with a strong body (think Djimon Hounsou) and a shaven head, trust me, it's a wrap.

A friend of mine kind of looks like Tyrese and he does well with white chics. Some girls really have a fetish for that look.

I dunno, I don't see it that much. I'm talking about a Seal/Heidi Klum type match-up like I met in the lobby yesterday.

Quote: (03-23-2012 10:28 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

Quote: (03-22-2012 11:11 PM)Golden Boy Wrote:  

Quote: (02-14-2012 05:54 PM)Feo Wrote:  

Bro...why is this thread even here?? If you are having trouble finding a non-black girl to date then you have trouble with your game...not your race..or your city. This is coming from a black guy who has been with all kinds of girls in all kinds of places. A lot of you guys on this forum are WAY to focused on race, and because of that your race becomes an issue.

I come on this forum a couple times a month and freaking every fucking time there is some guy with a post asking where black guys should go to find easy white sluts or what the best city is for black guys..or some shit along that line. Seriously man?

Sorry for the rant...but it's fucking annoying. Go fuck some white bitches or whatever your target race is..get tired of them and get over that shit.

I couldn't agree with you more Feo. I think A FEW DUDES (not all) on this forum get hung up to much on the color of skin. Nowadays, this shouldn't really matter at all. I come from a hispanic mother and an American dad. I am okay with dudes saying like I am a brother (cause thats a cultural inside thing), but when you start saying shit like where should black dudes go to meet white chicks, and how do black dudes do in South America, or some other city, etc., the comments and threads become generalized, and hit on the skin color and sometimes the race thing too much. We are all the same, color of skin does not mean anything to me. You either have game, style, and CLASS or you do not regardless of color of skin.

DUDE YOU ARE NOT BLACK, so you would never understand this thread and why the question was asked. Walk a day in my shoes and then we can talk and you can add relative info to this thread.

AmericaninEurope is talking from experience, not what he thinks but what he knows.

Why would you get upset by this thread?
People need to understand there are places in the world where a black guy is taking a risk by visiting. Places where the local police will look the other way if you are in trouble.
A White guy can travel to any country and be pretty safe, no one is going to trouble him b/c of the colour of his skin. (eg Naughty Nomad raves about African pussy - fcuk dude has even been to Haiti).

I mean look at the BS in Florida with the young black kid getting shot for nothing!

Rant Over!!

Yo Rudeboy, calm down... I was in no way stating that i am upset by this thread.
I was merely making a point that although stereotypes exist for people of different races, colors, social classes, i think it is whacked and dumb. Hence, thats why my final point stated that the color of a persons skin does not mean anything to me, and I wish the women and men in this country change change their perception and we can all be equal like in Brazil (where lights, dark, and mixed are all perceived more equally and the racial stereotypes don't have as much affect.) I personally have dated a few black chicks (as well as all other races- i prefer latin girls looks the most), and I have several friends that are black. They absolutely kill in it in LA cause they are high class, have good style, well mannered, and with some good or great game.
And NO, I don't know how it is for you when you experience stereotypes and prejudices because in am not Black of course. I am sure it is much more challenging for you to game a lot of white colored girls (although believe me, it is no Cake Walk for me either). All I am saying is that I just hope this perception changes. I think we have come a long way in the last 10 years or more though, but we still have a LONG WAY TO GO...

Quote: (03-23-2012 01:56 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

Quote: (03-22-2012 11:11 PM)Golden Boy Wrote:  

I couldn't agree with you more Feo. I think A FEW DUDES (not all) on this forum get hung up to much on the color of skin. Nowadays, this shouldn't really matter at all.

...but it does.

Whether it should or not is irrelevant.

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We are all the same, color of skin does not mean anything to me.

That's nice (save for the fact that you are just one person).

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You either have game, style, and CLASS or you do not regardless of color of skin.

Oh sure, that's true enough. The thing is that the color of your skin will a) impact the perception people have of those three factors and b) impact how receptive others are to the expression of those three factors.

Ex: I am a dark skinned black male. Let's judge my experience upon the basis of the three factors you listed within the context of my current environment.

My style of game in my environment must differ significantly from that of my white peers (much more comfort/rapport, less room for error, lower ROI at all times). I simply cannot approach and/or interact with non-black (read: 92%) females here in the same way many of my non-black peers can. Why? Girls perceive me differently upon the basis of my appearance, which comes packaged with many stereotypes, prejudices, and outright phobias (girls are much more likely here to outright fear me, hence the constant need for more comfort building).

I can ignore this reality and adopt your attitude (did that for most of my life, actually), but I'd be doing myself no favors. Race counts, like it or not.

My general style must leave much less room for error. I am already perceived as lower class, and must therefore work harder not to dress accordingly-my peers can get away with more. This goes back to having to counter some of the stereotypes, prejudices and fears that my appearance will elicit in women in my environment. The kinds of stereotypes/fears elicited do vary by environment/culture (different girls require different approaches, obviously). Threads like these help to point out how.

Finally, whether I actually have class or not, I am usually immediately perceived to lack it upon first sight (again, stereotypes). I can prove these assumptions wrong over time, but this is a hurdle my white/asian peers do not have to actually deal with.

As I said before, this example has been given in the context of just one environment (my college campus). Things can vary by city, culture, and nation. Threads like this help to outline how that variation works, and are therefore valuable.

Adjusting for the effect of race is no different to adjusting one's game for differences in education (super-highly educated DC lawyer chick vs. iowa pre-k teacher with bachelors) or location in your targets. You have to know your environment (and the limitations it will impose on you) if you want to succeed. Then, it is simply adapt or die.

I agree with you Athlone, and I have read many of your posts in this forum, and obviously, it is clear you are CLASSY, EDUCATED, AND A GOOD all around dude. I am not brown-nosing anyone here, I merely give credit when it is due. But if you read my post above, I just wish some of the ignorant people in this country would change their perceptions and stereotypes, and break down these barriers ! And yes, I am just one dude, and I can't speak for others, but IMO sometimes, some of the threads focus in way too much on color of skin and why one guy does better than another. Im sure you do have to work way harder, but believe me, even for a white dude like me with class, style, game, and money the chicks still make it HARD for you. There is no such thing as having good easy game without putting a ton of work into it. Good post A.M.

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@speakeasy - Really? No A concept that a lot of brothers share is that white lizards care about the skin tone of a black man and that he has to look like Reggie Bush to get azz. False.

To white lizards, they hardly see the difference and I actually find that the darker a brother, the easier of a time he has with white lizards.

If a white lizard is going to step out with being a brother, she wants a real brother and to them, 'African dark' is as real as it can be.

I have personally seen dark brothers having the best success with white lizards. I went out to Sauga about three weeks ago with a few friends from Southern Sudan. While I was engaged in convo with one of them who was pretty much as dark as it can get without looking purple, a cute blonde chick walked by and grabbed his dyck.

I assure you that the darker one is, the better it is for white lizards. If you couple that with a strong body (think Djimon Hounsou) and a shaven head, trust me, it's a wrap.

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They had to run so I don't know the story of how they met but one thing I can tell you is that a dark, average looking brotha will have next to no chance of pulling a white American girl of that quality

The underlined phrase here is key, as it outlines the focus of the statement. We're talking about Americans here.
I don't doubt your story from Mississauga, nor do I doubt that such tales were common in the UK either.

In the US, however, speakeasy is right. Lighter skin is generally a plus. That doesn't apply in every part of the country nor does it mean that I have never seen darker skin get an attractive white girl here (though almost never one at the level speakeasy describes), but it does mean that it fits reality more often than not. Europe, Australia and Canada are obviously very different stories. Couples similar to the one speakeasy described can be found in the USA, but my sense is that they are simply more common and "normal" elsewhere (as are interracial relationships as a whole).

I've actually noticed that eye color can make a bigger difference than skin tone in many parts of the USA for black men. To use my experience in college as an example, girls here generally shy away from interracial dating, but the few black men they do tend to show interest in tend to hold lighter complexions and often (most notably) lighter eye color. Girls here go gaga for light brown and/or blue-green eyes on a black guy. Judging from anecdotes given by these guys, this response isn't unusual in many other parts of the country either.

I can tell you with certainty that in the environment I'm in right now (filled with affluent, highly educated whites going to school and/or living in predominantly democratic states) dark skin is absolutely not a positive.