Quote: (08-21-2017 07:46 PM)DimeBait Wrote:  

Slightly OT, but how are you guys dealing with chicks who just respond to your questions and don't really engage in a conversation?
I usually just stop talking to them but sometimes I feel like I'm missing opportunities. However, I absolutely loathe feeling like I'm doing all the work and interviewing bishes.

Welcome to the club.

My guess is that women are so barraged by aggressive insta-escalation tactics that if you don't go for the jugular right out of the starting gate they'll quickly forget about you.

I'm not getting women hot enough to justify me going on the warpath for them. If I'm contemplating going out with a marginal-looking chick then I expect her to show engagement otherwise I'm letting her go.

I made the app earlier in the evening. Got 7 matches and only one responded, and upon closer looking she was a definite SIF so I immediately unmatched. New York has a really high level of talent, which I like, and I guess this is a popular app now, will see how it goes

@questor70 Bruh, IKR, that's exactly my point and the hot bishes are few and far between because they have so many different options.
Even basic bishes have tons of guys hitting them up so they expect to be chased. I'm just not with all that.
I had a pretty decent bish on the line earlier when I posted my inquiry and was just gonna let her slide until I tried what MDP suggested. She bit on the cold read an opened up. We number closed and have a possible meet this week.
I still prefer women who match my or put forth significant effort, for those are the ones who have decent personalities and more likely to bang.

Quote: (08-21-2017 11:40 PM)DimeBait Wrote:  

I still prefer women who match my or put forth significant effort, for those are the ones who have decent personalities and more likely to bang.

Unfortunately, they don't NEED to put out an effort since they have a catalog full of willing men she can sift through until she finds someone "worthy" to buy her drinks. That, or she is looking for validation. Those two types groups make up about 80% of the dating pool on these apps.

The ones that do put out the effort are usually not attractive. However, I have had times when very attractive women message me where we met up at my place and banged within an hour of actually matching.

The entitled narcissism on these websites is astounding. Bumble isn't too terrible yet but Tinder is already there. OKC is a lost cause event though I've gotten a few girls on there that don't look like swamp donkeys. Those women are few and far between.

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I think the downside of using dating sites for a long time is you begin to really feel the sense of the small total demographics of the matching singles in an area. You start to see the same faces and out of those faces you start to rack up a warchest of women who were interested enough to open an initial dialogue and then they went silent. Since they didn't definitively say they weren't interested you don't really know for sure why they went silent. It's best to just write them off, but it could have been simply a case of them just not being able to juggle the volume of suitors.

However, if she continues to operate this way, each time she ghosts, she is gradually blacklisting herself out of the dating pool. I mean, she didn't start chatting with every guy who hits her up. These are guys who pass the initial filter. So to let it drop before even getting to an icebreaker stage may mean she's missing out on something that could have been great.

Women who just want validation might like being hit up by all manner of guys, old, young, hot, ugly, creepy. But when it comes to how she handles the guys she decides to respond to, I think they're being too cavalier about it in a way that could sabotage themselves.

I don't think women have figured this out. There's just a huge difference between coexisting on a dating site and not having interacted yet vs. connecting and ghosting.

Prime example w/ This mediocre (@ best) ass bish

Over the last couple months, Bumble has blown Tinder out of the water for me. Many more matches and bangs. Like all apps, probably best in a major city.

Quote: (08-22-2017 10:28 AM)questor70 Wrote:  

I think the downside of using dating sites for a long time is you begin to really feel the sense of the small total demographics of the matching singles in an area. You start to see the same faces and out of those faces you start to rack up a warchest of women who were interested enough to open an initial dialogue and then they went silent. Since they didn't definitively say they weren't interested you don't really know for sure why they went silent. It's best to just write them off, but it could have been simply a case of them just not being able to juggle the volume of suitors.

In my opinion you shouldn't be on any Online dating app for a significant period of time, after all scarcity dictates and increases value. If you're always there, women will be thinking the same thing. You can also tell women that you're closing your account and suggest swapping contact details to keep in touch before closing it off each time.

With this in mind, I go on short campaigns to discover new women and then take myself off the app again. After a couple of months you can then re-emerge with new pictures and maybe one or two common pics that worked well before which you won't use as your primary pic again.

I recently travelled to a larger city in Australia and tried out Bumble. Compared to my own city my results were far better. I got 30+ matches in the first 24 hours which is significantly higher than my own city. Then another 10+ matches each day for 3 days over the weekend.

I have the outdoorsy/fitness/beach vibe going in my profile which I think really appealed to the new market which is typically cold grey with more arts and culture. I then DHV in the profile description so there is more to latch for them to latch onto if interested.
I'd significantly differentiated myself from the other men.(I now wish I'd actually bothered to look at what men are doing over there so I could differentiate myself in my home market, but whatever)

SIDE NOTE: From my reading of your posts, you are approaching this with a scarcity mindset. You shouldn't care what women do or don't do.
Take the lack of conversation as feedback that you can improve and change something!
Despite the higher match rate in the new city, I was still getting ~30% women who wouldn't message me. They might have been busy, I don't mind or take it personally and I definitely don't dwell on it. Their loss man.
I was so busy having fun and hardly had time to talk to the women that did want to engage.

I also used the holiday to try out different approaches/tactics and did surprisingly well. It emphasised that I need to escalate and be more suggestive as the women were all very responsive to this! Online dating is a 'game' of excitement/momentum and then using that to meet up. If you take too long it will fizzle out and bore both parties.

Regarding my own game. I am appealing to a slightly older age range than I do in my IRL/day game approaches. This tells me I need to improve my profile and online game so I can appeal to those mid 20's honeys where online dating is going to be far more competitive.
I have stated before that I look quite a bit younger than I am and feel like I am at a disadvantage online where I have stated my real age.
IRL I date women in their mid-late 20s but online I'm popular with late-20's -early30's all the way up to late 30's.

^^ Very good input. In fact, I removed my profile on a couple sites shortly after reading this. I'll probably re-emerge after few months with better pics as suggested.

Quote: (08-24-2017 10:53 AM)DimeBait Wrote:  

^^ Very good input. In fact, I removed my profile on a couple sites shortly after reading this. I'll probably re-emerge after few months with better pics as suggested.

Remember to remove it from your Facebook account under settings-> apps.

If you choose to fire it up again and return in 2 months time, it offers another opportunity to DHV and demonstrate preselection. You not going to say that you got tired of online dating or gave it a break for a while because you were getting no matches or some other weak excuse.
A plausible(good) reason is that you have been enjoying dating a beautiful young (attractive!) woman, it just didn't work out. The point was, you were off living your life, dating and it happens all the time because you are in demand. You're not too phased about it because you are outcome independent and have plenty of options too.

They should make the connection on their own that you are now free, but it won't last for long as you are a successful man and will be snapped up again quickly. If they don't meet up, then they will miss out. Use it to generate excitement, and just be vague about it.

That's what I have found has been working well for me lately.

Also I have been separating my matches into different age groups/segments and trying to predetermine what they are seeking from matches/online dating.Then using a strategy to create excitement/comfort/appeal for each one. Using an individualised approach has been working quite well where as I was probably a bit generic in my approaches before.

I have even pushed pretty hard to meet up without giving too much about myself away or talking for long periods of time and then just tell them positive traits about myself I think they will find appealing.

"That's okay, I was really looking forward to it because there is so much to talk about. Previous GFs have said I am a big talker, which is weird cause I don't feel like it? I think I'm an introvert and love my down time."

The reasons I think it works is because its a contradictory statement with affective language. I didn't intend on talking a lot, just get them started and let them talk their heart out, listening for things that give clues to what they find appealing.

AND Assume the sale, after talking to another bird and asking her if she worked in the city I said this.

"Hi Chick, I looked up where it was on the day and thought we might be able to meet up for lunch and maybe even a smooch if things went well but I ran out of time" *then suggest a time to meet up*

That sounds fun and exciting! and you've basically told her whats going to happen. If they don't like that you're wasting your time.

I feel like I am starting to *get it* but need further development.

The cofounder of Bumble gives a small biopic of why she started Bumble and her experience in online dating.

"Women feel they have to put on a different personality for men" - Welcome to the real world bitch. We men and specifically I have had to do that for years. I have had to transform my persona (all under the guise of game) to the man women want to be with.

Yea, phuck her and her salamander looking ass face, lol.

Man, against my own better judgement, I arranged a same-day coffee-meet with chick from Bumble with only a model-like face pic. After we'd already agreed to meet, thankfully she shot me her digits. I looked her number up on FB and this bish was literally big as a gotdamn house!
I flaked an hour before with some lame excuse and unmatched. Brothers, do NOT hesitate on asking these bishes for full-body pics!

Quote: (09-11-2017 03:04 PM)DimeBait Wrote:  

Yea, phuck her and her salamander looking ass face, lol.

Man, against my own better judgement, I arranged a same-day coffee-meet with chick from Bumble with only a model-like face pic. After we'd already agreed to meet, thankfully she shot me her digits. I looked her number up on FB and this bish was literally big as a gotdamn house!
I flaked an hour before with some lame excuse and unmatched. Brothers, do NOT hesitate on asking these bishes for full-body pics!

I learned that a long time ago.

DO NOT MEET with girls until you see a full body pic and expect a drop of attractiveness when meeting in person than from the actual pictures. I have met two models from online and while still hot and bangable, both looked better in pictures.

Quote: (12-05-2014 03:48 PM)Mister X Wrote:  

Quote: (12-05-2014 02:04 PM)game_ethic Wrote:  

This has got to be the 100th Tinder-like app this year.

Because Tinder hasn't gotten it right yet. Check the Tinder thread and see how many guys are complaining about a variety of issues with the app.

I see them as the Myspace of their niche. I don't think they're gonna be the Facebook of their era. In other words, they're gonna be a passing fad. Some other app is going to assess what Tinder got right, and what it got wrong. Eliminate the wrong, and the rest will be history.

But agreed - lots of little apps popping up now after the success of Tinder and a lot of them are gimmicky.

I said in another thread - allow location change (for free), and eliminate the kinds of bugs Tinder is notorious for, that's good enough to make an initial splash. You don't need gimmicky shit where one person has to do xyz, or you can only blah blah blah, fuck that. You both swipe, you can then message each other. Tinder nailed that aspect.

I have to laugh at how Tinder said they're testing out different price points for Tinder Plus, ranging from $0.99 to $20.00 "to see what works for the consumer."

Uhh, I can tell you with 0 business experience $0.99 works for the consumer. I think what they meant to say "we're testing how much we can charge before people start bitching and we face backlash."

True

Quote: (08-22-2017 10:28 AM)questor70 Wrote:  

I don't think women have figured this out.

I can't believe I'm posting here but I check every blue moon to see how much shittier dating apps become, for amusement.

Even when reset 2.0 starts, women still won't "figure" shit out. They just survive and last according to the pressures and competition around them; they do it all almost subconsciously. It's really only we that understand the why of it all --- that's how we are, and how we think.

Put another way, which comes sooner, women talking or being honest about The Wall™ or the Civil War and reset to traditional living? They do whatever they can get away with, that's just who they are. The only checks on this are family, then society, then national movements. Which really just means family, because if that's strong, the rest of the country already gets it.

Matched up with a 6...

"Hi Sam. I'm Diane ...how's your evening going ?"

I didn't respond. So a few hours later...

"Say hi !"

Normally I might next, but I'd like to polish up a good response for when the 8's and 9's come back with this.

What's a good response ?

Quote: (09-29-2017 07:26 AM)Sam Malone Wrote:  

Matched up with a 6...

"Hi Sam. I'm Diane ...how's your evening going ?"

I didn't respond. So a few hours later...

"Say hi !"

Normally I might next, but I'd like to polish up a good response for when the 8's and 9's come back with this.

What's a good response ?

Keep dreaming about matching with a thirsty 8 or 9

Quote: (09-29-2017 07:47 AM)Benoit Wrote:  

Quote: (09-29-2017 07:26 AM)Sam Malone Wrote:  

Matched up with a 6...

"Hi Sam. I'm Diane ...how's your evening going ?"

I didn't respond. So a few hours later...

"Say hi !"

Normally I might next, but I'd like to polish up a good response for when the 8's and 9's come back with this.

What's a good response ?

Keep dreaming about matching with a thirsty 8 or 9

^^
I appreciate the response, but I don't think sending "Keep dreaming about matching with a thirsty 8 or 9" is going to pay off.

Quote: (09-29-2017 08:05 AM)Sam Malone Wrote:  

Quote: (09-29-2017 07:47 AM)Benoit Wrote:  

Quote: (09-29-2017 07:26 AM)Sam Malone Wrote:  

Matched up with a 6...

"Hi Sam. I'm Diane ...how's your evening going ?"

I didn't respond. So a few hours later...

"Say hi !"

Normally I might next, but I'd like to polish up a good response for when the 8's and 9's come back with this.

What's a good response ?

Keep dreaming about matching with a thirsty 8 or 9

^^
I appreciate the response, but I don't think sending "Keep dreaming about matching with a thirsty 8 or 9" is going to pay off.

8s and 9s are never going to send a message like that, they don't have to and so never will.

It's always going to come from the middle-aged, the chubsters, and the desperate ones.

Even trannies don't write shit like that.

We can go back and forth splitting hairs about 9's, 6's, middle aged, etc.

What's a good response to "Say hi !", without falling into her frame ?

I honestly can't believe you're asking for suggestions on how to respond to a 6. Bruh, you're falling into her frame because you've wasted so much time contemplating an initial message that has maybe about an 11% chance of turning into a bang.
That said, I usually send a relevant Gif and let her go from there.

Let me back up a little bit...

With previous matches, whenever I get a "Say hi", "Aren't you going to say hello ?", or some other variation, I'll next, as they're usually few and far between (and/or those have typically been land whales or SJW's with green hair).

I'm noticing the requests for a response are coming more frequently, and those seem to be in the 5-6 range. I don't know if these women are finally realizing that a simple "Hi" from them isn't enough sometimes. Maybe with the request for a "Hi", they're trying to stand out (?).

Moving forward, I'm looking more for a canned response to their inquiry without wasting time contemplating that initial message.

I feel you. Like I said, those Gifs are great at conveying this and they have a good selection. I'll usually allow basic broads to entertain me, but sadly, oftentimes, they put up MINIMAL effort just like the decent ones as evidenced by my screenshot above.
I stop responding rather quickly, but keep them in the message que so I don't make the mistake of re-matching with them.

I've found Bumble to be a massive waste of time and good way to ramp my data usage (and fees). It's tantalizing to see pics of women who get hundreds of matches but will only respond to the guys that visually stimulate them - and perhaps still never meet them.

When I want to game I focus on in person. I think Vinny's Instagram strategy is a better way to build your personal brand without supplications to women far beneath your actual SMV. I'm getting more done and don't have the addictive dopamine rush nor frustration of not hearing back. I won't feed a woman's ego by acting like she's the prize, and apps like Bumble or online dating in general do just that.