Quote: (09-04-2014 09:04 PM)TheSlayer Wrote:  

Quote: (09-04-2014 08:01 PM)Deluge Wrote:  

If America is anything like Australia, the quality of women and their openness to brown men is much higher in the major cities then in the small towns and country cities. Although I do hear that Australia is better than the US for non-white men in general. Moving would be a serious boon for your sex life, but I wouldn't do it if it means harming your career etc.

Canada is like that too or very similar from what I have seen and heard from my friends. It does make logical sense too, in large metropolitan cities where you have different races with a lot of mixing there isn't any social stigma to seeing people outside your race (for men or women).

I've had Americans tell me that racial divisions there are firmer due to their history. Canada, Australia and New Zealand are very successful multicultural societies because most immigrants are either from Europe (less so for Canada) or they're Asian and Indians are successful (due to their points systems for immigration) so everybody likes them and they integrate well, there are no ethnic ghetto's like in America or Europe. Most native people actually support continued immigration in these countries unlike America and Europe. White kids grow up with different races from kindergarden, and there's no stigma to dating outside your race like America has due to their history. Plus Westerners outside America are much more socially liberal in general.

Quote: (09-04-2014 01:41 PM)Lothario Wrote:  

In the past 12 months I have had more quality Pussy and I mean exactly what I want.

This makes me happy!

I want you to get exactly the type of girls that you want!

You deserve it!

Quote: (09-04-2014 01:41 PM)Lothario Wrote:  

Tell me more about the Sugar Daddy Possibilities, SA is working fine but is there a way I can offer my sugar daddyness to the young poon in town with out getting caught ?

There has to be other ways besides SA..?

"Sugar daddying" existed long before SA..

I do a little "fast food sugar daddying" but that is purely from cold approaching.

Let's talk about this soon..

Maybe, I will ask for some suggestions on the SA thread.

Quote: (09-04-2014 01:41 PM)Lothario Wrote:  

Fetish Scenes, I need to explore more of this ......

I may explore this a bit more also..

Quote: (09-04-2014 01:41 PM)Lothario Wrote:  

I'm addicted to Approaching

I am also.

But, I am slowly evolving towards online game.

It's less fun but more efficient, for me.

Quote: (09-04-2014 01:41 PM)Lothario Wrote:  

I do have muscles and girls do notice them

I was surprised to see your muscle development!

You have come a long way in that area.

Keep up the passion in your gym routine.

It helps!

Firstly, I think this is one of the best threads on the forum. The approach thread is great but here, people put themselves out there to get "constructive criticism" on their game. And, I'm glad to participate.

Secondly, Lothario spent about half a day during the peak times before the game to hang out with me. He truly helped me with things like cold reading, observation and actual demonstration of game.

Quote: (10-29-2014 09:27 AM)Lothario Wrote:  

It says a lot that Cobra drove over 400 miles to come hang out and may be learn whatever I can teach him, I call it burning desire to get better. I see myself in him when I was a novice 5 years ago.

At this point, there is not much I will not do to get better. I'll do anything.

Quote: (10-29-2014 09:27 AM)Lothario Wrote:  

I made him loose the shirt and wear a plain V-neck and gave a pair of colored socks, adjusted the pocket square to right color and shape and he was looking sharp, I was dressed on par and we both augmented each others looks.

This was great. I think it helped quite a bit and went a long way. I realize being "edgy" was key here.

Quote: (10-29-2014 09:27 AM)Lothario Wrote:  

I told him it looks like as if his movements are animated. he quickly fixed that.

It was tough not to be intimidated by Lothario as he has very tight game. I put a lot of pressure on myself that day.

Quote: (10-29-2014 09:27 AM)Lothario Wrote:  

He puts too much pressure on himself and counting the number of approaches he has done and I told him to just have fun with the whole process and I think he listened

Yes, and I will consciously work on this.

Quote: (10-29-2014 09:27 AM)Lothario Wrote:  

First stop was a student/hipster coffee shop, we enter and I stealthily scan the shop and see three targets all sitting on tables by themselves,..

Lothario is a great strategist. By that I mean, he is conscious about the "stealth" of it. For example, he knows that the coffee shop crowd changes every 2 - 3 hours, whereas guys like me would never come back to that shop. Stuff like this is gold.

Quote: (10-29-2014 09:27 AM)Lothario Wrote:  

.. he told the girl, I am going to sit here because of the nice view from the Window (Essentially Disqualifying himself) fairly Indirect approach but the Girl entertained him for the next 10-15 min.

This is a lesson learned indeed. I will be more aware of this.

Quote: (10-29-2014 09:27 AM)Lothario Wrote:  

We come out of the shop and one of the barrista is outside and says " by the way you both look very stylish" . I told him a girl isn't gonna encourage any more then this,

This was one of the best coaching experiences. This barista was actually at the counter when I got my oatmeal. She specifically complemented me with no solicitation earlier. It was stupid not to get the number when she was isolated.

Lesson learned: Girls normally do not comment on guys' appearances; especially unsolicited. However, I got a lot more of that there than I did in Chicago. It's like a different world full of sweet southern girls.

Quote: (10-29-2014 09:27 AM)Lothario Wrote:  

...My head was blowing and I don't know what was going on in his head...

Trust me, my head was also exploding but my heart was racing even faster racking on the pressure.

That being said, pussy literally rained from the sky. It doesn't get better than this.

Quote: (10-29-2014 09:27 AM)Lothario Wrote:  

He did a few approaches after that,

Yes, it has been much easier than it was on day one to go approach even though there is that much pressure (and there was a lot).

Quote: (10-29-2014 09:27 AM)Lothario Wrote:  

... hottest girl you approached that day, turns out she was Brazilian and he number closed, great Job. the other 2 approaches last over 5 min each. Cobra found his groove ......

She gave me the time but not a legit number. It was fake. Oh well

Quote: (10-29-2014 09:27 AM)Lothario Wrote:  

He did another approach on a black girl and it was going great but he got cockblocked by a hovering friend, I told him he should have gone the number close any way.

Yes I should have. I know you got frustrated with me here because I was making the mistake of not asking for the number more than once.

Quote: (10-29-2014 09:27 AM)Lothario Wrote:  

... put in hard work diligently and came home around 5 am. he can tell those stories..

It was a good night. Yes, I should have approached more. Lots of girls gave me eye contact. Got about 2 numbers from about 7 or so approaches. One was no response.

The other, however, was the last fricking approach of the night. At a Denny's!!! The waitress. 20 year old redhead, sweet Kentucky girl. She has a boyfriend; but got her number. Have been texting and she has responded. My text game sucks and I'm back in Chicago, but may go back for this one.

Believe me when I say, YOU NEVER KNOW..

Quote: (10-29-2014 09:27 AM)Lothario Wrote:  

One great strength you have is ability to ramble, keep it up. I was Impressed, when I started I wasn't able to stay in sets past 30 seconds, you are running marathons at 15 min.

It's funny you say this as I thought I have a hard time with ramble. Your comment is actually grounding me to understand that it may be better than average.

Quote: (10-29-2014 09:27 AM)Lothario Wrote:  

...keep it light hearted, don't put too much pressure on your self, have fun with the process or you will end up being burnt out.

Actually, this is the most important part: keeping it lighthearted! I have to do that. For those of you that understand my situation, there is an extra layer of emotional barrier for me to pass through to game effectively. I've been working on that and made significant progress.

Quote: (10-29-2014 09:27 AM)Lothario Wrote:  

... I will reiterate it's more internal then external, keep working on those issues. you are a beast ready to be unleashed.[/align]

I appreciate the kind words and I am working on the internal piece. External doesn't seem to matter as much. However, I can use some time at the gym.

I may be back there again Lothario, to follow up on some of the leads.

And one more thing, I could not fucking believe I did not rep Lothario until I hung out with him. I thought to myself WTF. Finally gave him a rep that he completely deserves.

Quote: (10-30-2014 07:28 PM)Cobra Wrote:  

Firstly, I think this is one of the best threads on the forum. The approach thread is great but here, people put themselves out there to get "constructive criticism" on their game. And, I'm glad to participate.

Secondly, Lothario spent about half a day during the peak times before the game to hang out with me. He truly helped me with things like cold reading, observation and actual demonstration of game.

Quote: (10-29-2014 09:27 AM)Lothario Wrote:  

It says a lot that Cobra drove over 400 miles to come hang out and may be learn whatever I can teach him, I call it burning desire to get better. I see myself in him when I was a novice 5 years ago.

At this point, there is not much I will not do to get better. I'll do anything.

Quote: (10-29-2014 09:27 AM)Lothario Wrote:  

I made him loose the shirt and wear a plain V-neck and gave a pair of colored socks, adjusted the pocket square to right color and shape and he was looking sharp, I was dressed on par and we both augmented each others looks.

This was great. I think it helped quite a bit and went a long way. I realize being "edgy" was key here.

Quote: (10-29-2014 09:27 AM)Lothario Wrote:  

I told him it looks like as if his movements are animated. he quickly fixed that.

It was tough not to be intimidated by Lothario as he has very tight game. I put a lot of pressure on myself that day.

Quote: (10-29-2014 09:27 AM)Lothario Wrote:  

He puts too much pressure on himself and counting the number of approaches he has done and I told him to just have fun with the whole process and I think he listened

Yes, and I will consciously work on this.

Quote: (10-29-2014 09:27 AM)Lothario Wrote:  

First stop was a student/hipster coffee shop, we enter and I stealthily scan the shop and see three targets all sitting on tables by themselves,..

Lothario is a great strategist. By that I mean, he is conscious about the "stealth" of it. For example, he knows that the coffee shop crowd changes every 2 - 3 hours, whereas guys like me would never come back to that shop. Stuff like this is gold.

Quote: (10-29-2014 09:27 AM)Lothario Wrote:  

.. he told the girl, I am going to sit here because of the nice view from the Window (Essentially Disqualifying himself) fairly Indirect approach but the Girl entertained him for the next 10-15 min.

This is a lesson learned indeed. I will be more aware of this.

Quote: (10-29-2014 09:27 AM)Lothario Wrote:  

We come out of the shop and one of the barrista is outside and says " by the way you both look very stylish" . I told him a girl isn't gonna encourage any more then this,

This was one of the best coaching experiences. This barista was actually at the counter when I got my oatmeal. She specifically complemented me with no solicitation earlier. It was stupid not to get the number when she was isolated.

Lesson learned: Girls normally do not comment on guys' appearances; especially unsolicited. However, I got a lot more of that there than I did in Chicago. It's like a different world full of sweet southern girls.

Quote: (10-29-2014 09:27 AM)Lothario Wrote:  

...My head was blowing and I don't know what was going on in his head...

Trust me, my head was also exploding but my heart was racing even faster racking on the pressure.

That being said, pussy literally rained from the sky. It doesn't get better than this.

Quote: (10-29-2014 09:27 AM)Lothario Wrote:  

He did a few approaches after that,

Yes, it has been much easier than it was on day one to go approach even though there is that much pressure (and there was a lot).

Quote: (10-29-2014 09:27 AM)Lothario Wrote:  

... hottest girl you approached that day, turns out she was Brazilian and he number closed, great Job. the other 2 approaches last over 5 min each. Cobra found his groove ......

She gave me the time but not a legit number. It was fake. Oh well

Quote: (10-29-2014 09:27 AM)Lothario Wrote:  

He did another approach on a black girl and it was going great but he got cockblocked by a hovering friend, I told him he should have gone the number close any way.

Yes I should have. I know you got frustrated with me here because I was making the mistake of not asking for the number more than once.

Quote: (10-29-2014 09:27 AM)Lothario Wrote:  

... put in hard work diligently and came home around 5 am. he can tell those stories..

It was a good night. Yes, I should have approached more. Lots of girls gave me eye contact. Got about 2 numbers from about 7 or so approaches. One was no response.

The other, however, was the last fricking approach of the night. At a Denny's!!! The waitress. 20 year old redhead, sweet Kentucky girl. She has a boyfriend; but got her number. Have been texting and she has responded. My text game sucks and I'm back in Chicago, but may go back for this one.

Believe me when I say, YOU NEVER KNOW..

Quote: (10-29-2014 09:27 AM)Lothario Wrote:  

One great strength you have is ability to ramble, keep it up. I was Impressed, when I started I wasn't able to stay in sets past 30 seconds, you are running marathons at 15 min.

It's funny you say this as I thought I have a hard time with ramble. Your comment is actually grounding me to understand that it may be better than average.

Quote: (10-29-2014 09:27 AM)Lothario Wrote:  

...keep it light hearted, don't put too much pressure on your self, have fun with the process or you will end up being burnt out.

Actually, this is the most important part: keeping it lighthearted! I have to do that. For those of you that understand my situation, there is an extra layer of emotional barrier for me to pass through to game effectively. I've been working on that and made significant progress.

Quote: (10-29-2014 09:27 AM)Lothario Wrote:  

... I will reiterate it's more internal then external, keep working on those issues. you are a beast ready to be unleashed.[/align]

I appreciate the kind words and I am working on the internal piece. External doesn't seem to matter as much. However, I can use some time at the gym.

I may be back there again Lothario, to follow up on some of the leads.

And one more thing, I could not fucking believe I did not rep Lothario until I hung out with him. I thought to myself WTF. Finally gave him a rep that he completely deserves.

Cobra,

Insightful stuff. Which city were you guys operating in?

I just discovered this time to critique the homie redbeard

I say critique but, redbeard, honestly I didn't wing with him so much as observed him as I ran in and out of the dance floor of the party between approaches inside the party or out on the balcony but I think I got a general idea.

Appearance:
I'll disregard style for now as I haven't seen you truly dress up as it was a Halloween Party we rolled into. I've said it once and I'll say it again your appearance physically is far more dominating and strong than mine and so you have the edge in the inti approach everytime. Comparing me to you is like comparing Scar(myself) to Mufasa. I'm wily, skinny, attractive, and have the look of interesting life experience. You on the other hand are the true definition of lion with that red mane and presence/powerful kind if attractive that I could only hope to match. I guess this analogy will play out for the rest of this critique, but your appearance gives you that added edge to your vibe. You are physically on top of your game and you should keep it up.

Vibe/Verbal Game: your vibe was perfect that night for who you came as(or should I say whom people mistook you to be). When I was popping around you have presence and dominant attitude that you even scared that boyfriend shitless when you said you didn't care if they were dating(that boyfriend was stuck like glue to her for the rest of the night). Like you genuinely had presence that comforted woman like a big teddy bear, but you were dominant enough that boyfriends and cockblockers would fuck off. Your presence lets you control the conversation by just showing up while I have to be verbally coherent or dancing in a manner that pushes unwanted elements away while building attraction to the girl. You also attracted lots of curious people when you were out on the patio. People were curious because of that presence and that's why it's your strongest card and something you should maintain.

The most interesting thing you had was that group you set up around you on the patio that I mentioned earlier. You kept the male crowd that was around you there listening when they were all talking to you but the female crowd got a bit alienated. Work on your story game. Talk about the wild nights you were on. Your verbal game kind of hits the wall here as you didn't get the drift when that girl looking for me popped in. You kind of actually made us look a bit gay when you put your arm around me and tried to pump me up in her eyes.....you got she wanted to dance with me but you did a bad job in verbally being a wingman(thankfully we were already acquainted and she was both high and drunk to the point it didn't affect her view of me). I was too gone to try to cue you to back off a bit and let me do my magic so that was mainly on me though.You really just need to work on verbal and you are set as that's where you are compensating everywhere else for. Adjusting what you to say to work on your intended crowd being the main part of it. In terms of what you say to game girls judging from what I saw your time and the desired mood you wanted to inspire was on point. I suggest you work on getting smoother with what you say and more verbal in general it but think before you say. Always have a set of planned responses to what she says for every scenario when you say something.

Miscellaneous:
You weren't in the mood to approach, you didn't consume as much as alcohol as you should have(to truly get into gaming), and I know we had more fun versus actually getting laid that night. You were talking good shit to my friend Kyle on the job industry and definitely inspired some of the young guys looking at how they were talking to you(even though you are just out of college yourself). I like how you were having fun, but at the same time you should approach more. Also try to dance it might help you out a lot and that confident frame could score you massive amounts of pussy if put into dance.

I honestly couldn't give a fair review or critique as I didn't spend enough time gaming with you or truly observing but this is what I kind of presumed by my memory of that night. You are definitely at a good level game wise for different reasons than me given the earlier analogy. You make up for your verbal game with your appearance, vibe, and presence as much as I make up for my lack of physical frame and physical presence with my vibe, style, verbal game, dance game, and self confidence.

You turn now to take a stab and tell me how I did as you probably saw more of how I worked than what I did of you working. I more or less pitched this together from the occasional observation.

Shit just saw this thread, couldn't stop reading. One of the best threads I've read.

I need to plan on a visit out of town for a meetup with one of you guys. I'd love to get a critique of my vibe.

From a small sample size...you got a great picture! I'm gonna break down your style while simultaneously discussing your comments.

Quote: (10-31-2014 10:13 AM)hwuzhere Wrote:  

Appearance:
I'll disregard style for now as I haven't seen you truly dress up as it was a Halloween Party we rolled into. I've said it once and I'll say it again your appearance physically is far more dominating and strong than mine and so you have the edge in the inti approach everytime. Comparing me to you is like comparing Scar(myself) to Mufasa. I'm wily, skinny, attractive, and have the look of interesting life experience. You on the other hand are the true definition of lion with that red mane and presence/powerful kind if attractive that I could only hope to match. I guess this analogy will play out for the rest of this critique, but your appearance gives you that added edge to your vibe. You are physically on top of your game and you should keep it up.

Vibe/Verbal Game: your vibe was perfect that night for who you came as(or should I say whom people mistook you to be). When I was popping around you have presence and dominant attitude that you even scared that boyfriend shitless when you said you didn't care if they were dating(that boyfriend was stuck like glue to her for the rest of the night). Like you genuinely had presence that comforted woman like a big teddy bear, but you were dominant enough that boyfriends and cockblockers would fuck off. Your presence lets you control the conversation by just showing up while I have to be verbally coherent or dancing in a manner that pushes unwanted elements away while building attraction to the girl. You also attracted lots of curious people when you were out on the patio. People were curious because of that presence and that's why it's your strongest card and something you should maintain.

The bolded text is what I want to highlight....

For most of my time during college I ran a lot of high-energy party guy mood. I drank enormous amounts of alcohol in order to get into this mood. I was a total dweeb in that I would do stupid shit to get girls attention. I couldn't grow a beard worth shit. I was a few inches shorter, and thanks to running Track, I was sub-200 lbs. I didn't know about SHIT about masculinity and thus thought that I had to get girls attention and then pull them in with "game."

It worked for a while when I didn't understand game. Now that I have matured as a man, muscled up, grown a beard, and gained life experience, I find it very hard to bring high energy into my interactions while still being congruent with who I am.

Which brings me to...

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Also try to dance it might help you out a lot and that confident frame could score you massive amounts of pussy if put into dance.

Since getting into game I really haven't danced. The only times I've danced are if I've got solid rapport going with a girl and I bring her to the floor before I pull her somewhere else.

I really don't know how to approach girls with the current frame that I have. My build, beard, and demeanor don't seem to fit with any high-energy techniques I use on loud dance floors. I know how to dance...but I don't know how to stay "cool" while also pulling girls from the dancefloor. This is something that I've had trouble with my game, and would like some insight from whoever's reading this. I'll check out some of the dance threads.

Quote: (10-31-2014 10:13 AM)hwuzhere Wrote:  

You kind of actually made us look a bit gay when you put your arm around me and tried to pump me up in her eyes.....you got she wanted to dance with me but you did a bad job in verbally being a wingman(thankfully we were already acquainted and she was both high and drunk to the point it didn't affect her view of me). I was too gone to try to cue you to back off a bit and let me do my magic so that was mainly on me though.

Are you talking about the girl who was wearing all leather shit? I think she was trying to be catwoman...I don't remember it very well but now that I think about it I remember that before you showed up I was trying to mack and wanted to gain social proof by showing I knew you. Bad communication on our part. She was cute.

Quote: (10-31-2014 10:13 AM)hwuzhere Wrote:  

Miscellaneous:
You weren't in the mood to approach, you didn't consume as much as alcohol as you should have(to truly get into gaming), and I know we had more fun versus actually getting laid that night. You were talking good shit to my friend Kyle on the job industry and definitely inspired some of the young guys looking at how they were talking to you(even though you are just out of college yourself). I like how you were having fun, but at the same time you should approach more. Also try to dance it might help you out a lot and that confident frame could score you massive amounts of pussy if put into dance.

I really wasn't in the mood...you're right. I won't harp on the party itself but I was completely out of place. I worked with what I could....had a few sets...but at the end of the day I was just "some guy" because of lack of social status. You however...were killing it.

Whenever I would pop through the dance floor to get another beer I saw you with a different girl...clearly entertaining them and having a great time. It was loud so I couldn't tell what you were doing exactly, but it was obvious that that the girls were all having a great time. At the end when they had the dance line and costume show you were on stage obviously gaining value. I finally got to see hwuzhere social circle magic, you really did know a lot of people and were facilitating fun for everybody. Mad respect.

Game styles however...what we were going for that night was Scar and Mufasa. Night and day. I was going for sly, mysterious, yet intriguing and dominating outside man. You were going for "that guy" who knows everybody and makes sure that everybody has fun, sometimes going way out of your way to make sure girls are enjoying themselves. I don't know why but I don't agree with this style too much...is it really our job to entertain girls? That's why I have trouble with dancefloor. Until there is attraction you have to be "fun" and "crazy" in order to keep girls attention. Then you have to try to break one girl away...dance game is something i'd like to improve.

Again I didn't get to put you under the microscope too much, but from what I saw you know what you're doing. Be cautious though - if you get used to campus success, where everybody has something in common, it'll be harder when you graduate to the real world. I've seen many of my friends, and I, go through this struggle. I have the utmost confidence that you will do great.

I had the pleasure of hanging out with Cobra and Terrible Username in NYC this past weekend. We focused mostly on Daygame and a little Nightgame. TU and I did roughly 10-12 approaches Friday and Saturday. Sunday was a bit slow as Cobra took over the show. Cobra did 10 to 15 approaches Saturday and Sunday.

It has been fun seeing their progress.

Cobra

It has been a few months since seeing Cobra. He has maximized his style. I noticed a big improvement in his confidence. I respect his commitment to self-improvement and his willingness to push the boundaries. I witnessed a big improvment in his Direct Daygame. Cobra is a cool guy and a lot of fun hanging out with.

Highlights:

Number closing a hot Russian girl

Number closing a cute Greek girl who was calling him over the weekend. I am sure he would have set up a date with her if he had more time.

Great responses from the Black girls he approached


Terrible Username

I saw TU's first approach in Kiev about 18 months ago. He has made significant improvements to style and his overall game. This player has arrived and sky is the limit for him.

Highlights:

Number closed a hot russian (8.5)

Direct approach and number closed a hot brunette on a crowded street. She was texting him throughout the weekend.

All approaches and number closes were with high quality girls


As for me, I got a few solid numbers from the weekend.

Highlight:

Number closed an 8 from Nightgame. This was cool because I predominantly do Daygame. I am meeting up with her this weekend.

I had a blast hanging out with these guys. I recommend anyone traveling to Chicago to meet up with these guys. They are both solid and cool guys. I look forward to the next adventure.

Quote: (11-11-2014 10:16 PM)Dantes Wrote:  

I had the pleasure of hanging out with Cobra and Terrible Username in NYC this past weekend. We focused mostly on Daygame and a little Nightgame. TU and I did roughly 10-12 approaches Friday and Saturday. Sunday was a bit slow as Cobra took over the show. Cobra did 10 to 15 approaches Saturday and Sunday.

It has been fun seeing their progress.

Cobra

It has been a few months since seeing Cobra. He has maximized his style. I noticed a big improvement in his confidence. I respect his commitment to self-improvement and his willingness to push the boundaries. I witnessed a big improvment in his Direct Daygame. Cobra is a cool guy and a lot of fun hanging out with.

Highlights:

Number closing a hot Russian girl

Number closing a cute Greek girl who was calling him over the weekend. I am sure he would have set up a date with her if he had more time.

Great responses from the Black girls he approached


Terrible Username

I saw TU's first approach in Kiev about 18 months ago. He has made significant improvements to style and his overall game. This player has arrived and sky is the limit for him.

Highlights:

Number closed a hot russian (8.5)

Direct approach and number closed a hot brunette on a crowded street. She was texting him throughout the weekend.

All approaches and number closes were with high quality girls


As for me, I got a few solid numbers from the weekend.

Highlight:

Number closed an 8 from Nightgame. This was cool because I predominantly do Daygame. I am meeting up with her this weekend.

I had a blast hanging out with these guys. I recommend anyone traveling to Chicago to meet up with these guys. They are both solid and cool guys. I look forward to the next adventure.

Had a great weekend with these two guys, and here's my take on it.

Dantes:

Though the forum refers to him as a chubby chaser, he's nothing of the sort. What impresses me most about him is his relentless pursuit of quality and his attitude towards it. If he sees a hot girl, he simply can't live with himself if he doesn't approach. He doesn't wallow in his head wondering if such a hot girl would give him the time of day. It's about what he wants. He wants her, he goes to talk to her. It should be that simple, and for him it is.

Regrading technique, Dantes has tremendous ability in getting a girl to stop on the street. Check out Krauser's infield for a similar approach. Getting blown out on the street in New York is pretty common, but he's able to get almost all his girls to stop and chat. If they don't stop at first, he gives it one more shot. I followed this method with the Russian 8.5 that Dantes mentioned above, and I got contact info out of it. The idea is simple. This girl was really, really hot and I just couldn't let her get away.

Dantes goes direct, and it's effective. He hooks them into conversations easily. I don't know exactly what he talks about because I'm usually at a distance. The only suggestion I have is to screen for a boyfriend earlier. Some people would say plow through the boyfriend thing regardless, but if you know about a boyfriend earlier in the interaction you can figure out a strategy earlier. For whatever that's worth.

Dantes' games is congruent with the type of person he is and I think that's why he is so successful. He has an abundance mentality. Girls that I'd bang with relish simply don't appear on his radar. Consequently, he gets the talent level he wants.

This may sound like too much praise, but I've seen the girls he's been with. He's the real deal. And of course I owe him a personal debt of gratitude. As he says above, he saw my first cold approaches in Kiev. That I've come as far as I have is due in large part to having such a model to follow.

Cobra:

I didn't know this at the time, but I saw Cobra's first approach. Several months and about 100 approaches later, I've seen him improve a great deal. The anxiety level is way down. The mechanics of getting a girl to stop and chat are getting real solid. He has good posture and presence. He's hooked a few girls for long talks during the day.

He is naturally very social and a good conversationalist, and he is now directing these skills toward picking up women. Because of this, he has a very high ceiling. It's just a matter of time now.

He walked up to a really cute blonde (are all blondes in New York Russian?) chatted her up like a player, and got the number. He even blew past the "I've got a boyfriend" thing. Cobra has also been getting dates. It's starting to come together.

A couple of suggestions: 1. don't let street approaches go too long. Either ask for the instadate or get the number and get out. 2. Worry less about using particular lines during an approach, and more about having the right general frame and vibe. Sometimes you use a line, and maybe it's a good one, and part of you expects her to just disrobe right then and there, and when that doesn't happen you don't know where to go with it. Stick to principles and just let the words come out.

Last weekend was like a professional development workshop. We made approaches, talked about game, and gave each other suggestions. I had a great time. If anyone has any pictures of the Statue of Liberty or Times Square so that I can show my friends and family what I told them I was doing, I'd really appreciate it.

Something I learned from them both was how self-limiting my attitude oftentimes is. Even my screen name, the terrible-username thing, is too self-deprecating. I'll have to change that.

Quote: (11-12-2014 09:09 AM)terrible-username Wrote:  

Quote: (11-11-2014 10:16 PM)Dantes Wrote:  

I had the pleasure of hanging out with Cobra and Terrible Username in NYC this past weekend. We focused mostly on Daygame and a little Nightgame. TU and I did roughly 10-12 approaches Friday and Saturday. Sunday was a bit slow as Cobra took over the show. Cobra did 10 to 15 approaches Saturday and Sunday.

It has been fun seeing their progress.

Cobra

It has been a few months since seeing Cobra. He has maximized his style. I noticed a big improvement in his confidence. I respect his commitment to self-improvement and his willingness to push the boundaries. I witnessed a big improvment in his Direct Daygame. Cobra is a cool guy and a lot of fun hanging out with.

Highlights:

Number closing a hot Russian girl

Number closing a cute Greek girl who was calling him over the weekend. I am sure he would have set up a date with her if he had more time.

Great responses from the Black girls he approached


Terrible Username

I saw TU's first approach in Kiev about 18 months ago. He has made significant improvements to style and his overall game. This player has arrived and sky is the limit for him.

Highlights:

Number closed a hot russian (8.5)

Direct approach and number closed a hot brunette on a crowded street. She was texting him throughout the weekend.

All approaches and number closes were with high quality girls


As for me, I got a few solid numbers from the weekend.

Highlight:

Number closed an 8 from Nightgame. This was cool because I predominantly do Daygame. I am meeting up with her this weekend.

I had a blast hanging out with these guys. I recommend anyone traveling to Chicago to meet up with these guys. They are both solid and cool guys. I look forward to the next adventure.

Had a great weekend with these two guys, and here's my take on it.

Dantes:

Though the forum refers to him as a chubby chaser, he's nothing of the sort. What impresses me most about him is his relentless pursuit of quality and his attitude towards it. If he sees a hot girl, he simply can't live with himself if he doesn't approach. He doesn't wallow in his head wondering if such a hot girl would give him the time of day. It's about what he wants. He wants her, he goes to talk to her. It should be that simple, and for him it is.

Regrading technique, Dantes has tremendous ability in getting a girl to stop on the street. Check out Krauser's infield for a similar approach. Getting blown out on the street in New York is pretty common, but he's able to get almost all his girls to stop and chat. If they don't stop at first, he gives it one more shot. I followed this method with the Russian 8.5 that Dantes mentioned above, and I got contact info out of it. The idea is simple. This girl was really, really hot and I just couldn't let her get away.

Dantes goes direct, and it's effective. He hooks them into conversations easily. I don't know exactly what he talks about because I'm usually at a distance. The only suggestion I have is to screen for a boyfriend earlier. Some people would say plow through the boyfriend thing regardless, but if you know about a boyfriend earlier in the interaction you can figure out a strategy earlier. For whatever that's worth.

Dantes' games is congruent with the type of person he is and I think that's why he is so successful. He has an abundance mentality. Girls that I'd bang with relish simply don't appear on his radar. Consequently, he gets the talent level he wants.

This may sound like too much praise, but I've seen the girls he's been with. He's the real deal. And of course I owe him a personal debt of gratitude. As he says above, he saw my first cold approaches in Kiev. That I've come as far as I have is due in large part to having such a model to follow.

Cobra:

I didn't know this at the time, but I saw Cobra's first approach. Several months and about 100 approaches later, I've seen him improve a great deal. The anxiety level is way down. The mechanics of getting a girl to stop and chat are getting real solid. He has good posture and presence. He's hooked a few girls for long talks during the day.

He is naturally very social and a good conversationalist, and he is now directing these skills toward picking up women. Because of this, he has a very high ceiling. It's just a matter of time now.

He walked up to a really cute blonde (are all blondes in New York Russian?) chatted her up like a player, and got the number. He even blew past the "I've got a boyfriend" thing. Cobra has also been getting dates. It's starting to come together.

A couple of suggestions: 1. don't let street approaches go too long. Either ask for the instadate or get the number and get out. 2. Worry less about using particular lines during an approach, and more about having the right general frame and vibe. Sometimes you use a line, and maybe it's a good one, and part of you expects her to just disrobe right then and there, and when that doesn't happen you don't know where to go with it. Stick to principles and just let the words come out.

Last weekend was like a professional development workshop. We made approaches, talked about game, and gave each other suggestions. I had a great time. If anyone has any pictures of the Statue of Liberty or Times Square so that I can show my friends and family what I told them I was doing, I'd really appreciate it.

Something I learned from them both was how self-limiting my attitude oftentimes is. Even my screen name, the terrible-username thing, is too self-deprecating. I'll have to change that.

Octavian has arrived...


As I have said before, growth and progress is the result of pushing yourself just past the point of your comfort zone. This is an important element of Inner Game. I have seen TU and Cobra do this with respect to approaching.

My take on the weekend spent with Terrible-Username (TU) and Dantes in NYC.

I went solely to NYC for meeting up with these guys and gaming. When I usually go there, I meet up with the RVF crew there and hang with them while not doing as many approaches. Sorry guys.

A little history. I hang out with TU in Chicago and game quite a bit on the streets here. He has provided me with motivation I otherwise would not have had given my situation and lifestyle that a lot of you know about. Dantes has been helping him for quite a while and I feel like indirectly, Dantes has also helped me through the techniques passed to TU that have in turn been passed to me. The cold direct street approach under the sun as a girl is walking is one of them.

This is outlined by Roosh in Day bang but I have seen both TU and now Dantes execute it well on the street in the day. Seeing this, doing it myself and getting pointers was one of the most invigorating experiences I have had in quite a while. It was definitely like cold approaching by yourself times at least 5.

Dantes

You need to stop her like you just couldn't let her go without saying hi - Dantes.

I contemplated the "direct vs. indirect" question before landing in NYC. After seeing Dantes, it was clear why he does direct. He is all about polarization and goes for quality as already mentioned. He doesn't want to waste time and wants the girls that want him back. Regardless, Dantes is a great guy to hang with and me and him had connected after just one meeting. He has given me a lot of tips on game and is not afraid to tell it like it is. I continue to learn from him.

One of the highlights of his game was when he approached a hot Russian waitress at a lounge who he sees there quite a bit. From a few feet away and loud music I couldn't hear the approach but the body language was something amazing to witness.

It looked like he leaned in and went for the kill and she walked away (as she had to attend to other customers or something). But he kept following by her side like a lion attacks his prey. Not needy but very confident with frame intact. So she slows down and talks to him a bit more which if I can remember correctly is when he got the number or if not, at least solidified the right to her pussy.

Terrible-Username

[After a boyfriend objection]I understand. Give me your number and I'll text you; if you don't text back, I'll get over it; but, if you do, maybe something magical will happen. -Terrible Username

TU has always been around for me to game with. Keep in mind that for me, it's easy to make excuses and stay home as I have a great life at home with no real complaints. Gaming for me is above and beyond. I have to create that killer instinct and truly WANT to game. And doing it during the day is HARD. TU being there and inviting me to game with him has made significant adjustments such that I have started to get over the "oh man should I approach" barrier. Nowadays, if I'm out there, I just do it.

I like to think TU's game has improved because of my help with his wardrobe ; but that's not true. He has developed a confidence in himself that is very grounded. There is no way girls see him coming. He's a great conversationalist and has a very light but effective sense of humor. He has approached with this, gotten numbers, and got bangs. I keep telling him that his bang ratios will only go up with a pocket square

Growth wise, it has been interesting to see TU's development. He used to have a good amount of anxiety even with borderline 7s. However this weekend, if he met a girl that was below a 7 (even though from afar she looked better), he opened her and just walked away given she wasn't worth his time. This outcome independence is something that I have observed a gradual increase in over time. I give a good amount of credit for this to Dantes as well as this is something that Dantes has been doing for quite a while.

TU also imparted some great lines to me which I used during an approach to get a number from a girl that had a boyfriend. I noted one above and in my section below applying it to an actual approach.

As evidence of all that I noted above, he got numbers from 2 hot girls, the details of which have already been posted above.

Myself

As far as my own game, what I really internalized over this weekend was my rambling abilities. Lothario mentioned this when I hung out with him and I see myself as being able to keep girls there if they're interested or even develop that interest further. I still have a long way to go.

The connection that my rambling has to my attractiveness can be summed up in one word, Charisma. I know I have it but I still have a hard time exhibiting it with a 100% confidence. I know it's all inside and I'm working on removing that barrier.

That being said, one thing I realize is to not care about a girl's reaction and continue rambling until you run out and if you run out, be honest and continue anyways. Point is keep going till she leaves, It doesn't even matter if it's a boyfriend objection. I'll show the approach of the Russian blonde to illustrate and breakdown the tips I have learned and applied from both Dantes and TU.

Me: (Walking up behind her to the left and as I approach run past her and turn a bit past a 90 degree angle) Excuse me, I was just hanging out with my friends over there and I saw you. I was going to let you go but walked over because I just couldn't let you go without saying hi. (credit: Dantes)
Her: (smiling) Hi..
Me: Let me guess, you're shopping for .. bah blah ramble blah
Her: blah blah
Me: blah blah (running out of things to say)
Me: Well, honestly I have nothing more to say because you're cute and honestly I'm a bit anxious..so you can say something (credit: TU)
Her: (smiles) blah blah
Me: continuing ramble due to her help..
Me: (after another minute or 2) Well, you know what, I have to go but we should definitely hang out and grab a drink or coffee.
Her: Well, I have a boyfriend and I just got into a relationship with him.
Me: (could have walked away and I usually do, but went for it with TUs line of the weekend) Ok, well you know what, give me your number and I'll text you; if you don't text back, then I'll get over it; but if you do, maybe something magical will happen. (credit: TU)
Her: (smiling) okay....here it is..
[she did text me back and agreed to a coffee at some point]

Overall thoughts

We hung out in Union Square and saw some guys from another PUA group approaching. A guy from that group, who was not even average looking and dressed shittily still got a number from a hot girl that was likely 8.5. Me, TU and Dantes witnessed this from a few feet away. That's game.

TU and Dantes are two guys that have so far destroyed the barriers that basically stand erect to say "you can't do this with hot girls." I'm grateful to have spent that time with them and consider it a blessing to have learned even an iota of game from them, especially during the weekend.

Met up with Lothario a while back in Orlando, but forgot to post his analysis until now

Lothario,
First off, first impressions, a stylish man that wore really cool clothes and easily had me confused that he was around 28. I noticed that your way of speaking was earnest and clear, even though you have a bit of an accent. Something I would recommend you try and get better at is slowing down your movements and voice so it resonates a lot more. You spoke in a bit of a hurry with girls and seemed to be in a rush (in a way). Also, try and breathe from the diaphragm, that way your voice sounds a lot more potent and deeper.

Your presence is one of an energetic guy who comes off as enthusiastic and very detailed oriented. You are very focused on what you want and you will go and get it. You come off as a genuine guy and your vibe is almost protective in a sense, something that is really calming, as in everything will be alright with you.

The day was slow but it was enough for me to see everything I needed to see from you. You were a really elegant guy who has enthusiasm about gaming, something that was really contagious. I noticed however, you were a little rigid when it came to talking to girls and weren't as edgy or playful, maybe a little too nice for night game which I can tell you don't practice due to your particular set up. Letting loose and teasing works, but stay more in the moment, it seems at times you were a little too much in your head, and not really focused in the moment.
Swagger comes from staying in the moment, but at times it seemed like we were on a mission, and just straight up forgot to be in the moment.

As far as approaching and the initial part, you are persistent and will push yourself to stay in, however I noticed you don't screen the girls as much. I noticed that sometimes due to being nice, you stood with a couple girls who were not game and they were really wasting your time. You would approach them, but as far making sure they were in or out, you kinda were trying to appease them and making them feel comfortable. At night, you have to be more aggressive and ruthless when it comes to screening, testing or pushing their buttons to see how they react. To see if they are a good fit for you and they're going to be nice. You seem like the ultimate day gamer in that sense, but not an all-in kinda guy for night.

As far as strengths, your eyes were very much spot on, you have a very intense gaze, which is great, really mesmerizing and with the right attitude, almost hypnotic (no homo haha) I say experiment saying more with your eyes and less with your words, your eyes really are an asset.
You can ramble and don't really run out of stuff to say, which is really good.
You will approach and do so without hesitation.
You have tenacity and are a really cool guy to hang out with.

Thanks, Lothario for taking the time to write this.
I have some comments for your analysis.

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[align=left]Analysis of Simondice's game: I met simon about a month ago in Orlando and we rolled together one night in downtown Florida.

General demenaour: Pleasent, smooth, soft spoken and I can say he can portray the smooth latin lover very well.

Well thank you, I never thought about it that way, the smooth Latin lover angle, I'll definitely experiment with it. Could you expand a bit on it?
It's a fun dichotomy to be calm and under the radar while escalating and being aggressive.

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Style: He definitely has the fashion sense but with a little effort improve it a whole lot more. That night the plain gray colored shirt that he was wearing stood out. I gave him pointers on how shoes are Important and only spending 200- 400 dollars on shoes, jeans and belt plus a Sports coat can blow his competition away.

That was one of my biggest takeaways I had from you, I'll definitely work on this.

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Game: This player has game, absolutely no hesitancy approaching, he even approached the girls who were about to go on stage for a Bikini contest and I thought they are in a line and busy and wouldn't respond and he proved me wrong, that was the best looking girl he approached that night.

That means a lot coming from you. That girl was probably the coolest, most receptive girl in Downtown too, the hotter the girl, the nicer she actually is.

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Fitness: This is where can do the most Improvement, He is a tall scrawny lad and can benefit from some muscle gain.

Improvements needed: Posture is one, Few times I saw him not standing straight and or leaning. Stand tall bro and keep your head high. Hit the Gym build some muscle and posture will be corrected automatically.

I agree, I've been slacking in this department and I need to step it up.

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Overall: At his age a solid player and IMO if he can play the smooth, latin lover type vibe he will Kill them white wishes. Watch out for this up and coming player and hide your bishes in Central Florida.

Mothers, lock up your daughters
Thanks again Lothario, hopefully see you around my neck of the woods again.

For some reason I always thought you were English Simon!

Just goes to show!

^^Who knows, maybe in past life I was British, I've always loved England.

Quote: (12-15-2014 03:13 AM)simondice Wrote:  

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[align=left]Analysis of Simondice's game: I met simon about a month ago in Orlando and we rolled together one night in downtown Florida.

General demenaour: Pleasent, smooth, soft spoken and I can say he can portray the smooth latin lover very well.

Well thank you, I never thought about it that way, the smooth Latin lover angle, I'll definitely experiment with it. Could you expand a bit on it?
It's a fun dichotomy to be calm and under the radar while escalating and being aggressive.

What I mean by that is you can either play the Bandana wearing or bald headed cholo looking tough mofo, there was guy on the forum named Houston he prabably had that look and your vibe doesn't gel with this look.

   

You personality and vibe is more like Enrique Iglesias, think Don Juan or other Latin characters that you can fit into. Spanish is a romance language use it on other races, girls that are interested in Latin culture and or learning Salsa.

   

I think the above picture looks somewhat like you.

Happy hunting young player.

Quote: (12-15-2014 02:04 PM)Lothario Wrote:  

Quote: (12-15-2014 03:13 AM)simondice Wrote:  

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[align=left]Analysis of Simondice's game: I met simon about a month ago in Orlando and we rolled together one night in downtown Florida.

General demenaour: Pleasent, smooth, soft spoken and I can say he can portray the smooth latin lover very well.

Well thank you, I never thought about it that way, the smooth Latin lover angle, I'll definitely experiment with it. Could you expand a bit on it?
It's a fun dichotomy to be calm and under the radar while escalating and being aggressive.

What I mean by that is you can either play the Bandana wearing or bald headed cholo looking tough mofo, there was guy on the forum named Houston he prabably had that look and your vibe doesn't gel with this look.

That is a pretty accurate description of Houston . Throw in fits well with a hipster look and you have both the angles he plays.

Quote: (12-15-2014 03:34 PM)hwuzhere Wrote:  

Quote: (12-15-2014 02:04 PM)Lothario Wrote:  

Quote: (12-15-2014 03:13 AM)simondice Wrote:  

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[align=left]Analysis of Simondice's game: I met simon about a month ago in Orlando and we rolled together one night in downtown Florida.

General demenaour: Pleasent, smooth, soft spoken and I can say he can portray the smooth latin lover very well.

Well thank you, I never thought about it that way, the smooth Latin lover angle, I'll definitely experiment with it. Could you expand a bit on it?
It's a fun dichotomy to be calm and under the radar while escalating and being aggressive.

What I mean by that is you can either play the Bandana wearing or bald headed cholo looking tough mofo, there was guy on the forum named Houston he prabably had that look and your vibe doesn't gel with this look.

That is a pretty accurate description of Houston . Throw in fits well with a hipster look and you have both the angles he plays.

How can you look like a cholo and a hipster at the same time? Kind of sounds like an oxymoron to me, cholos and hipsters don't mix like oil and water.

Quote: (12-15-2014 03:40 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

Quote: (12-15-2014 03:34 PM)hwuzhere Wrote:  

Quote: (12-15-2014 02:04 PM)Lothario Wrote:  

Quote: (12-15-2014 03:13 AM)simondice Wrote:  

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[align=left]Analysis of Simondice's game: I met simon about a month ago in Orlando and we rolled together one night in downtown Florida.

General demenaour: Pleasent, smooth, soft spoken and I can say he can portray the smooth latin lover very well.

Well thank you, I never thought about it that way, the smooth Latin lover angle, I'll definitely experiment with it. Could you expand a bit on it?
It's a fun dichotomy to be calm and under the radar while escalating and being aggressive.

What I mean by that is you can either play the Bandana wearing or bald headed cholo looking tough mofo, there was guy on the forum named Houston he prabably had that look and your vibe doesn't gel with this look.

That is a pretty accurate description of Houston . Throw in fits well with a hipster look and you have both the angles he plays.

How can you look like a cholo and a hipster at the same time? Kind of sounds like an oxymoron to me, cholos and hipsters don't mix like oil and water.

He is really a cholo but pretends to be hipster at times to pull. He switches between either in order to pull. Depends on where he's at.

This thread needs to make a come back.

Houston crew, where you at?

G