[Lothario]

Gio Brother I can not thank you enough for giving me the Opportunity to hang out with you, I learned sooo..... much from you and with this review I am honored, humbled and I had Goose bumps reading this review....... Thank you....

I have read your review about 10 times and even + liked the post , On our second meet you said it felt like " I met myself ", That was such a big compliment that I am wondering if my game barely comes close to yours, I am golden.... It made me realize that I have made a lot of progress and have solid game. It removed a lot of doubts from my and this realization gave me more confidence which is reflecting in my recent approaches.

Back to my weaknesses, I have watched Russell peters in the past and am watching more videos of him.

Jay Sean is who I would like to copy, I would like to say my style is pretty much at par with his, If only I can sound like him......, Once a Black Girl in Miami told me I look like Jay Sean, made my day that day.....

[WestCoast]

Mangadooza.

Well it has been roughly 4-6 months since getting into the scene for real and you know very well what I'm about to say. You have game now. Proud to say you're a slayer for sure.

We were both hungover from subsequent one night stands on Sat night but shit who cares. We'll be covering day game going forward.

At this point I think you need to start challenging yourself more, much more, same three points slayer.

1. Get in the weight room.
2. Day game.
3. Start stacking cash.

The last thing that really needs to be addressed is the anger part. This is the last step to killing it in life. As you know I do not condone any illegal activity, have a spick and span record This includes getting into bar fights with loser white knights and other cunts. It's time to become a man, move on. You already have a rotation going, you've got what you need so there is no need to be an asshole anymore. Start choosing friends wisely, haters, angry people, jealous people, bitter people should be "be-friended and ignored". It's much much harder to lose all this, we all mess up from time to time but as you know it is unhealthy.

The only thing more important than $$ is your health, so be smart.

Who would you rather be?

The "angry guy who gets laid and fight" or the "happy guy who also gets laid and doesn't need to drink". No explanation is necessary here, you're a bright guy.

Finally that girl you opened (knock out 9 no doubt), you'll be able to pull her when you hit the room and lose the anger. Then we'll go back to joking about crazy sex stories.

#Slay #Weiiiighttttt rooommm sonnnn!

[Merenguero]

I recently had the chance to meet up with rationalize_this in Miami. It was only fitting that we met at the same venue where the original Was this Beta incident occurred. I wouldn't have it any other way.

Appearance: Before meeting this guy, I pictured him as being at least an inch or two taller than me, similar to me facially, somewhat weak and awkward looking, with a goofy grin on his face. That's not him at all. He is actually so different from the way I pictured him that I saw him earlier in the night and didn't realize it was him. The only two white guys in the place couldn't find each other. Go figure that one out. His appearance doesn't hurt him at all and probably helps him to a certain degree especially in Miami. I believe he is the first to say that he is not the best looking guy. Let's just leave it at that.

Clothes: I believe this is the easy part, yet most guys get it completely wrong. You could be horribly ugly, mentally challanged, have no social skills, or be grossly overweight, yet be able to put on a nice looking suit which fits right. This guy prides himself on wearing nice suits and other clothing which fit him. He needs absolutely no work in that department and it is one of his strong points.

Game: This guy comes across as fearless and will approach any girl at any time. The important thing about him, which other posters may have touched on, but not exactly focused on, is the reaction which he is able to elicit from people. People respond and react to him in a way which I have rarely or ever seen. There is a constant flow of positive energy coming from him that causes both guys and girls to react posivitively from him and is a primary reason why he acheives the results which he does. Rookie mistakes like getting angry when a girl rejects him are of course nonexistent with this guy.

What he can improve upon: Languages. You can never be too fluent in any language. English is my first language and I am still able to improve my English quite a bit. In Miami, Spanish (of course), Portuguese, French, and Italian are all very helpful languages. I understand that most Brazilian girls in Miami have a good handle on English, but I think that Portuguese fluency could only help. I would study and practice those four languages daily and it will only improve your overall results. Russian could also help, but I feel much more of a need to speak Italian than Russain when I am in Miami. I can't believe how many monolingual women from Italy I met during this trip. Besides languages, you should also work on dancing. You can never be too good of a dancer. I would concentrate on the popular latin forms like salsa, merengue, and bachata, then move on to some of the Brazilian dances. Those dances are very important for venues like Boteco.

All in all, I learned a great deal from this forum member and hopefully we can meet up again in the future.

[FretDancer]

Why was rationalize_this banned?

[GenJx]

..

[el mechanico]

Dude gets verified by another member and banned the same day. What are the odds? How can our mods rationalize_this?

[Duke Castile]

Damn. I thought he was a great asset.

[OGNorCal707]

(02-03-2013 07:08 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

Dude gets verified by another member and banned the same day. What are the odds? How can our mods rationalize_this?

Could it be related to that recent IRT thread? I just skimmed it, but it seemed like Roosh thought Rationalize was backing up IRT....

LOL, shit is funny, can´t believe anyone would take things that seriously. I read a few of dudes threads, and it seemed like he was legit and probably had better game than the majority of guys on here.

I guess you really can´t rock the boat these days, would be nice to get an explanation on this one... But maybe there´s something that went on behind the scenes...

[FretDancer]

Quote:

I guess you really can´t rock the boat these days, would be nice to get an explanation on this one... But maybe there´s something that went on behind the scenes...

My thoughts exactly.

[Lothario]

I gamed with the Atlanta Crew last December and here is Long Overdue breakdown of PresidentCarters Game

First of all he is a true Ambassador, helped me with every single bit of planning the Trip, where to stay, what clubs to visit on what nights etc etc.

Strong Suits :

Fashion: Stylish looking, uses Sports Coat or a Suit jacket with jeans effectively.

Game: Intermediate to advanced level Game. No Approach Anxiety whatsoever, Can open anyone one in a heartbeat. Solid Wingman. has a pad close to happening places in Buckhead.

Effective use of Russian to hook FSU Girls .....

Can Spot a DTF Target from a mile away, Has considerable experience with Au pairs and they do respond to his Game.

Career: Solid KickAss Carrer ...

Areas of Improvement:

Things i think this solid Player can Improve and this is just my opinion (Don't take it too seriously)

Fitness: I think you are currently overworked and it's taking a toll on your freshness, You can pass for a 23 yr old Kid and you some how reminded me of Slubu, You can look a whole lot fresh and even better looking if you gain 15- 20 pound of Muscle Mass and give yourself proper rest.

Pushing the Envelop:I saw you spit solid game, Number close and everything and there were instances where you weren't touching , escalating, trying to isolate or go another spot etc etc i.e pushing for Sex the same night.

Drinking: I think you drink a bit too much , again that's just me, Some players game is at a higher level when they are drinking , mine goes the other way. All I am saying is to try a little less drinking and see what it does to your game.

Overall Presidentcarter is a Solid Player and Solid Wingman. Much Respect Player and will look forward to my next trip to ATL.

[WestCoast]

(02-03-2013 07:08 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

Dude gets verified by another member and banned the same day. What are the odds? How can our mods rationalize_this?

Bump out of curiosity. Was Mia for abt a month so no idea what happened. IP overlap?

[GenJx]

(02-28-2013 02:54 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

(02-03-2013 07:08 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

Dude gets verified by another member and banned the same day. What are the odds? How can our mods rationalize_this?

Bump out of curiosity. Was Mia for abt a month so no idea what happened. IP overlap?

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-20343-...#pid362650

[WestCoast]

(02-28-2013 04:08 PM)GenJx Wrote:  

(02-28-2013 02:54 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

(02-03-2013 07:08 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

Dude gets verified by another member and banned the same day. What are the odds? How can our mods rationalize_this?

Bump out of curiosity. Was Mia for abt a month so no idea what happened. IP overlap?

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-20343-...#pid362650

Thanks bro search on my phone was a failure. Oh well. Funny stuff.

[Spider]

Awesome thread. I'd love to wing with someone this summer in NY (I live in Manhattan), but being sort of a novice I wouldn't want to mess anyones game up. An NYC mentor would be dope though.

...also learning some cool things just by reading these reviews, keep it up.

[Lothario]

Spider under microscope, recently Day Gamed with Spider in the best City in the world that I know of NYC. We did a total of 15 Approaches and Spider got 4 Numbers and an e-mail close.

He had not done cold Approaches in the day before and I was more then happy to show him the ropes .....

Appearance: A young 20 yr old who looks his age with a soft smile, Little bit of facial hair looks good on you, I wasn't so sure about the earring.

Style: Hipsterish .... I think I told him if e-mech would have seen him, he would have schooled him on his style... But I think the Style you are carrying suits your personality well and you should carry on with it.

You are at such a sweet spot that you can dress a little mature with a sports coat , V neck and Jeans that you can still look young and Game anywhere upto 26, 27 year olds as well and Girls as young as 18. I think we talked about Cougars as well though I think you do not need them at this point.

Body: Scrawny looking, you can do well gaining 10- 15 pounds of muscle mass.

Game: you got Game Player, I am not sure why you didn't started Day Gaming before. We started from Union Square , He was a little nervous first but as we did few Approaches there was no stopping him. He got his first number from the 4th Approach from a girl smoking a cigarette outside a store.

You are good with natural openers and still trying Direct Vs Indirect, Keep at it , you will find the happy balance that works for you.

You need to get good at rambling , read Bang, Day Bang etc.....,

I know you got excited getting 2-3 numbers in a row and wanted to Approach every single piece of Ass in Central park which reminded me myself 2-3 yrs ago, I think I had to tell you at one point to walk slow

Yes , You talk fast player, Slow your pace , Give Pauses, have an accent... Girls will be more attracted to you.

Strong Suits:

Fearless Approaching to any girl you like, I like that .....

Your Style fits your personality.

Ability to find a connection with the Girls.

Things I would Like to see you Improve:

Slow Down and Observe the Girls Checking you out (Pay more Attention to IOI's you are getting)..... and then Approach them.... Watch if there are signs of Family/Friends/Boy Friend around and save yourself and girls some Embarrasement.

Body language shows a little bit of eagerness, you lean in sometimes and smile a little too much when talking to girls, Don't get me wrong , keep the happy vibe but tone it down a little.

Stand Straight and Confidently, you were slouching in few approaches.

Slight Improvement in your Threads can yield big Dividends for you.

You got a few years left in College, Bang them coeds away, God ... I would have give my Left nut away to find game at your age.

Lastly Watch out NYC this guy is going to be a beast in a couple of years.

[Spider]

Lothario reached out to me letting me know he would be visiting the Big Apple…I’m guessing he had seen my earlier post in the Game-Analysis Thread where I mentioned my interest in meeting an older RVF Member that could throw me under their wing for a day (or night) of gaming.

Due to inclement weather, Lothario’s arrival in NYC was postponed and we were unable to go hunting the city at night, but the following day we hit the ground running…

Here is my analysis of Lothario's game:

Career
Obviously can’t delve into specifics here, but I’m sure he is more than just financially stable. He is stacking cheddar. Another great thing about his line of work is that he told me he is able to take off about 3 months each year to use as vacation. I’m sure those 90 days of vacation are where Lothario gets a good deal of his gaming/laying in. Anyone would be fortunate to be able to earn good money while being able to take time off from work to travel and enjoy life…Not bad.

Appearance
Not turning heads with his looks, but definitely not a bad looking player. With all the notches he has on his belt, girls are obviously digging him…and having game doesn’t hurt either…
Your build is slim and I think another 10 pounds of muscle couldn’t hurt you, although you do not appear out of shape so I do not think that should be your biggest concern...If I were to guess Lotharios age I would have guessed early to mid 40’s (he is 40)

Style
Has a mature worldly look about him. When we met, he was wearing some interesting boots, a pair of blue jeans, a simple white v neck, and a blazer + pocket square. I wasn’t a fan of the cowboy-esque boots, although we are from two different parts of the country, and maybe in the Midwest the boots work. The V-neck and blazer is something I also like to rock (usually when I go out and not during the day), however seeing as you are older and are going for a more mature look, the v neck/blazer/pocket square suits you well for both day and night game…Also had on a nice pair of sunglasses – a nice addition to help radiate a classy, well put-together vibe.

Game Strengths
He doesn’t suffer from approach anxiety. Whoever he wants to approach, he will go right up to and start a conversation with. My understanding is that he has done quite a bit of traveling, and this is evident in the way he communicates with girls. He gives off a very worldly well-cultured vibe. In one approach where we were both talking to two Asian girls, he was able to transition from asking them about the shopping they were doing, to discussing Uniqlo, and how they were so successful in taking their popular Japanese franchise and establishing successful branches in the United States. The girls were looking at him as if they were learning something and were intrigued – He comes off to girls as an interesting guy, and he is able to ramble very well and eventually generate an interesting conversation that helps build a connection between him and his target. Being a strong conversationalist and being able to move from topic to topic with ease is his greatest strength.

Game Weaknesses
Many of your openers were the same. “Excuse me, do you know where the nearest Dunking Donuts is?” was an opener I heard you use many times. I was almost laughing when I found us both asking girls where the closest DD was while we were chilling in the middle of Central Park. Heck, it worked, but maybe using a greater array of openers will help keep things fresh. Also, I noticed you only really committed to your indirect openers. When you went indirect, you would go right up to the girl and ask them for directions etc…But the few times I heard you go direct, was when a girl was walking by and you commented on something she was wearing, or told her she looked nice. You failed to get her to stop-not because you weren’t able to, but because you seemed like you were half-assing your direct approaches. I think if you had positioned yourself in front of the girl and done a better job of commanding her presence, the direct openers could have transitioned into a real conversation. Don’t just compliment them as they walk by…try to always command her presence, just as you do when you are asking them a simple indirect question. You also rarely sexualized your interactions. You told a British girl she had nice teeth, but aside from that I didn't see/hear you make it clear that you had sexual intent. Maybe that more aggressive style of game is not your style, or is not something that has worked for you in the past, just thought I'd mentioned it. Some conversations you also tried to number close early on, while others you waited till you had built more of a connection with the girl. Those lengthier conversations seemed more successful.

What I learned
I learned a lot of things from day-gaming with Lothario. Keep in mind, I had never day-gamed, nor do I have many friends with deep knowledge of game. I think Lothario helped give me a boost of motivation that I really needed, and made me realize that even if my friends have little interest in improving their game, it is something I am passionate about and something I want to keep working on and improving.
He showed me how to easily approach a girl with asking them a simple question like where the closest coffee shop is…then transitioning into a conversation about coffee…and then into a more personal conversation that can lead to chemistry, and ultimately an insta-date or phone number. His fearless attitude toward approaching girls helped me realize how insignificant being rejected is. In addition, I have a better understanding on how to ramble and be an interesting/skilled conversationalist.


Overall I had fun time gaming with Lothario, learned a lot. It was nice seeing a more experienced player at work.

[Lothario]

Thanks a lot Spider ......, Here is What I learned from You

1. Go Direct : You are right I have done direct approaches in the past which usually don't go very well for me, Once I have established a connection with a Girl, I break the state with revealing my Intentions and It's a What's Up moment........ either the set sinks or swims.

But you are right I should try more and more direct Approaches and put more effort into it. yes my Approaches were half Assed that Day as my Logistics were Fucked Up and I had to fly out in few hrs. My main purpose that day was to just have a good time and show you how to approach during Day time.

2. Push the envelop : Even when I knew I only have few hrs, I should have tried to make a Goal to try to bang in 3-4 hrs. I was low on energy that day running on 4 hrs of sleep after a Transatlantic Flight.

3. Look my Best: I hadn't colored my hair, I was tired, lack of sleep, all these can add a few years to a players vibe and freshness. Thanks for pointing it out that I looked 40 + JK ( I wanted you to pint out things I can Improve).Gio will attest to Importance of sleep.

Conclusion: I think our meet up served the purpose for both of us and I sincerely thank you pointing out my weaknesses (which stings a bit) but that is how I get better by correcting them weak facets of my Game.

I am a big advocate of hanging out with RVF members/red Pill people with even a shred a Game as you can always learn something from them like in this I did from Spider who is half my age and kept me on my toes.

Happy Hunting y'll ..........

[NY Digital]

Just met spider and we daygamed in central park. Although there werent that many girls as we hoped, we got some decent sets in and practice.


We're hoping to get one more daygame session in before analysis.

[Giovonny]

(05-17-2013 12:05 PM)Lothario Wrote:  

Gio will attest to Importance of sleep.

Yes, sleep can make or break your game. Sleep greatly affects your energy level, mood, looks, skin, etc.

When you sleep alot, you look fresh, rested, and strong. Lack of sleep leads to a tired looking face, bags under the eyes, and a generally unhealthy look. Consistent lack of sleep can increase gray hair, wrinkles, etc.

It can also make or break your health and fitness. Lack of sleep will destroy your workouts. We build muscle during sleep.

I love this post from RoK:

http://www.returnofkings.com/10565/10-su...bout-sleep

The only thing I would add is to get more "HBMs".

The more "hours before midnight" the better.

10pm-7am is better then 2am-11am.

Alot better.

(05-17-2013 12:05 PM)Lothario Wrote:  

1. Go Direct :

I am also moving towards a more direct style. I like it. It's more fun and less bullshit. A different challenge.

[Duke Castile]

Lothario,

As far as game, obviously that night was a tough one for everyone and it's a little hard to critique with accuracy because I don't think any of us really settled into our groove and it was just an off night regarding available women.

That said, I think just a few things could really help:

We talked about your accent, if you can manage it, I'd even recommend getting a speech coach to help, I have worked with them when I was dabbling with acting and they can do wonders.

Also, your rate of speaking is very fast, this can come off as you being overly excited or just not relaxed. I think girls can perceive that as being too happy to talk to them (not used to talking to attractive women) or simply not being relaxed (confident men are relaxed).

You also have the tendency to move very quickly and in an almost jerky fashion. This contributes to the excited/overly happy vibe that can work against you. Move more slowly and in a relaxed way.

Things that are going for you:

Your willingness to approach and engage is great. You motivated me to do it more.

Your style of dress is sharp. The blazer/ vneck combo looks good. I will say something you may not want to hear but, the Nasons are out of style now. It's associated with the whole ed hardy rhinestone jeans dbag thing. Unless you are in a 2nd and 3rd tier city, it's not cool to have them so keep that in mind.

Your prestige in your job is high value. Learn to drop hints about your work and then purposely steer the conversation away from your job as if you didn't mean to reveal this piece of information about yourself. This get's the hamster going.

Other things:

Your body - You have a good, naturally lean, proportional body. If you hit the gym and put on more muscle, you would see an increase in positive responses from women because you would develop the kind of muscularity they prefer. Women don't like the meathead look (something I have to try and compensate for when I train hard), they like the athletic look. When you slow down your movements and become more relaxed, (while having that muscular body) that comes off as very attractive to them. Think of a lion or a tiger just laying around. They look like they don't have a care in the world but they're clearly powerful.

Issac Jordan,

When we first met, you seemed very tense/rigid/serious. Girls will sense this and become tense or rigid themselves and will gravitate away from you (this is also an indicator of having a naturally strong frame since your frame has affected theirs).

I noticed you loosened up a bit after a couple drinks and did some great approaches with positive encounters.

You just need more volume of encounters and then make the proper adjustments and you'll be killing it (like avoiding games such as beer pong where you don't interact).

JohnKreese - Not much to say, you know what you're doing.

Renotime- Be a little less drunk

Alli - You're fat. Skinny fat, which is worse. And your game sucks because you can't walk. Learn to walk better. Also, your vibe is gay, try to cultivate a more straight vibe. See if you can get some plastic surgery. That will probably help a little.

[TheBulldozer]

I'm surprised this thread doesn't get more play. These contain things we might not want to hear, but in the end it makes us better men.

[Aliblahba]

(08-26-2013 03:32 PM)Fisto Wrote:  

Alli - You're fat. Skinny fat, which is worse. And your game sucks because you can't walk. Learn to walk better. Also, your vibe is gay, try to cultivate a more straight vibe. See if you can get some plastic surgery. That will probably help a little.

I'll see if the VA offers cosmetic surgery.

[Lothario]

Mucho Gracias Fisto for the Analysis, I will agree with you on the weaknesses you pointed except the Nasons, I got compliments on them every single time I go out, may be it is a function of me living in a Mid-Western City, People complimented them in Athens, GA as well but I can see how I won't get the same reaction in NYC or Vegas.

I really liked Ali's Frye's , oops the one boot he was wearing as the other foor was in a cast. What's your take on Frye's.

Isaac Jordan: I will break down this players game as he asked me to.

Style: Preepy, Yuppy but guess what suits you just fine and you will do great with that Style in Athens, GA. Do try to experiment a few more masculine articles on you like a Big Watch, Boots etc.

Fitness: Gaining 10- 15 pounds of muscle mass will bring significant rewards to girls being attracted to you.

Game: like Fisto pointed out..... Stiff ........ when you go out just plan to have fun and a good time , not so serious and closed, be the fun guy that everybody wants to be around.

Day Game: I know you want to get into day game, just dive into it and learn from your mistakes.

Over all you are one solid player biggest strength being no Approach anxiety and great clean Style and Vibe. Keep at it , I see you as a beast few years down the road.

[Lothario]

Aliblahba on chopping board, I have known Ali for the past few years and have communicated via phone and PM's but had the chance to meet him in Person this Fall in Athens, GA. Unfortunately he had a Broken Ankle and was ambulating using crutches but did go out with us, so I will give my Analysis after hanging out with him for over 24 hrs.

Disclaimer: Ali Anything I point out in your Strengths is a reminder for me to be like you and any weaknesses I point out is because I want you to do better.

Positives:

Ali's Signature Game Stance: I a Nutshell he creates a bubble around him where he gets the girls to approach him, Nonchalance, signature blonde fro/golden locks, drinks, smokes and dress style makes him an attractive male specimen that makes girls Approach him and not the other way around. lot has to do with a social set up and guys he is hanging out with, The night when we all went out I saw girls coming upto him and touching feeeling his golden locks.

Above goes against the popular belief but works well for him, Keep doing what you are doing.

Style: Pure Masculine , boot cut jeans, Frye boots (one boot ) as the other foot was in the caste, Solid colored Shirt, Non-Stop smoking and drinking fits you well. No need to change anything there.

Fitness: you might have gained 10-15 pounds secondary to immobility but over all in good fitness, you need to shed some gut fat, Even with your Injury you should be able to do some sort of work out that will help with your recovery and overall fitness.

Accent: Ali speaks with a southern drawl in long sentences that helps create a spell, works well for him. I think you will do great or have done great in England.

All is all Ali is one of the Brothers is this Band of Brothers, A Man's Man. He is willing to help the less experienced members, Isaac Jordon was there, he is a young player that Ali took the time to teach game to and was very helpful and open to helping him with all the connections/resources he has in GA.

Negatives:

Excessive smoking and drinking. Smoke a litlle less and drink a little less, give it a try and see if you do any better.

Immobility/Lethargy : I know you create a field where girls come to you like bees to honey but your results can double if you approach proactively along with your current stance.

$$$$$$: I know you are working towards making some dough, keep at it your break will come .....

Things I would like to see Ali Improve: Your whole day progresses at the speed of molasses, get of your butt , as a matter of fact next time I come see you I will Inject Epinephrine in your but that will speed you up and for God's sake Approach, There are a lot of girls around you who are attracted to you but are too timid to come and approach you, you are missing out on a lot.

What I learned from Ali: Talk slow, walk slow create a attractive sphere around me for girls to Approach me.

Give less fucks to people .......

Work on Improving my accent.

It took me a long time to post this as I am not a typer but it took some effort to sit down and write your analysis, I will enthusiaitically wait for you to dissect my Game, It will only make me better

Next on the chopping board Maledefined and NewGamer ...........

[Menace]

I think people who are beginner/intermediate at game would increase their skills at 10x the usual rate if they hung out with guys who know what they're doing. Monkey see monkey do plus osmosis. I actually experienced this going out with slubu in Moscow.