[slubu]

at350, yup I'm booked and on the way there, Thurs-Mon of that weekend. But I will be there with about 17 guys, so I"ll have to see how I can work this out. Most are married and some with kids. 2 other guys I'm coming with have game, so we'll try to break out. The whole trip is being planned around what deep dish pizza to get and in my mind all I care about is where I can pull some quick tail. I'll PM you soon to figure out the details.

[WestCoast]

Giovanny

My man great times. I hung out with Gio again so we could exchange some notes and go out and have some fun again during the day. Sure we'll meet up soon again. As a note we did this with ZERO drinks. No alcohol. Lets start with the good:

1. You got a lot of prospects. You even more than me since you're much better than I. No lies. He got 4-5 solid prospects.

2. Massive recovery. Your vibe has increased for sure more confident more swagger. You don't give a shit. You've moved on past your messy break up.

3. Your looks have improved. Lost the hats hair has improved and general facial structure is more up beat it is obvious you're much happier.

The improvements:

1. Still think you can improve on style. We were hanging out and I went ahead and said fuck it i'm going to wear a nicer blazer. It worked and i'm glad you agree. I am also glad you realized fashion doesn't need to be expensive! Fit fit fit! I dont care if your shirt costs $400 or $4. If it doesn't fit get out of there! Remember both of those cute girls in the store agreed and said "it fits very nicely on you"!

2. Shaving. Maybe you just got out of work. But believe you can maybe just bring a spare razor and clean up right before heading out. You already look young for your age but may as well look younger!

3. Dancing. Even if you're not up for night venues believe it is still possible to use them to your advantage. Again dance moves = sex moves. When we kick it again I'll happily give a few basics etc.

Conclusions for overall meet up

I honestly think we work very well together. We started momentum and got the majority of all our approaches and numbers within something like 35 minutes? Admittedly, as you saw takes me a while to get locked in (btw that was my first ever dead sober day game excluding the gym). Of the 4-5 I bet one can turn into a bang.

I still believe 1-2 night games at least a month could lead to successful one night lays. If you want the truth you can pull girls like the one in that make up store in a single night! It is possible.

Feel free to ping me via PM about how the lays go down. I'm literally walking out the door now to go meet that girl because as you know fuck it who cares.

Notes for everyone
Two things everyone can learn from this.
1. If you are in shape show it off! Just don't be a dick
2. If you are not happy with who you are why would a girl ever fuck you?
3. Relax. It's fun "Everywhere you go is just a club!" - Gio

[Giovonny]

WestCoast,

That was great fun. We motivated each other, inspired each other, and pushed each other to get better. Your daytime confidence increased like 150% yesterday and I literally saw it happen as you were talking to the Latina who was taking pictures. After that successful approach, you saw the daytime matrix! You carried that momentum into the mall and did really well with that incredible 19yo who was shopping for a laptop bag. She was a 9.5, no bullshit!

I will breakdown your post:

(08-03-2012 07:41 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

ZERO drinks. No alcohol.

When you are dead sober and you have no fear, now your mind has become powerful. Too many guys use alcohol as a crutch for confidence. There is nothing wrong with drinking but just make sure you have the same confidence when you are sober!

(08-03-2012 07:41 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

1. You got a lot of prospects. You even more than me since you're much better than I. No lies. He got 4-5 solid prospects.

Well, at least 2-3 good prospects. I am not that much better then you. I just have more experience and practice. You are one of that fastest learners I have ever seen. I think you will bang that Latina in the next 24-72 hours.

If you do that everyday, you will be money in a few weeks/months. Repetition breeds competence and confidence and self-belief.

I'm gonna focus on the White girl I met late in the day and the young Latina from the pizza counter.

(08-03-2012 07:41 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

2. Massive recovery. Your vibe has increased for sure more confident more swagger. You don't give a shit. You've moved on past your messy break up.

Ya, last time we hung out I had just gotten out of an ltr. I was not 100%. I have been working hard and my game has gotten better.

(08-03-2012 07:41 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

3. Your looks have improved. Lost the hats hair has improved and general facial structure is more up beat it is obvious you're much happier.

You have helped me a ton in this area, I used to dress way to baggy, I was stuck in the 90's. I didn't have the right perspective on fashion. You corrected my hair, my clothes, and most importantly, the proper size and cut of clothes to wear that will fit me properly. I work hard to look good and I wasn't even displaying myself the right way.

After we hung out the first time, I made some big adjustments to my wardrobe and I started getting alot more eye contact and looks from girls. Appearance is everything and clothes are important. I look better, I feel better, my game is better. You helped me become more good looking!! haha! Thanks dude!

(08-03-2012 07:41 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

The improvements:

1. Still think you can improve on style.

Yes, and I am exicted to improve my style even more. Its alot of fun wearing nice clothes and looking good.

(08-03-2012 07:41 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

2. Shaving.

Ha. I was gonna shave but I decided to experiment with a scruffy look. I usually go clean cut and next time I will so you can observe the difference.

(08-03-2012 07:41 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

3. Dancing.

This is something I want to do. Not only for the girls but also because I just love to dance. I promise I will go salsa dancing soon.

(08-03-2012 07:41 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

I honestly think we work very well together. We started momentum and got the majority of all our approaches and numbers within something like 35 minutes?

We make a strong team. It was crazy how much momentum we got going and we just killed it from about 230pm to 4pm!

(08-03-2012 07:41 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

3. Relax. It's fun "Everywhere you go is just a club!" - Gio

I actually changed it and now its..."The whole world is a club"

Okay, now, my thoughts on your game..

Your style was sharp. I thought you might be over dressed a bit but in that neighborhood its impossible to be over dressed. Your grey suit and black Armani under shirt were a big factor in girls taking an interest in you. You know how to dress!

Your confidence was impressive. I know you were a little nervous at first but after you warmed up a little you got into a good flow easily. You have a good solid fundamental belief in yourself and your abilities. That is key.

Lets talk about your warm up approaches..

The girl in the shoe section with the red bag. You asked her about her purse, then you asked her about her shoes. Things didn't seem natural, you switched topics to quickly, you spoke to quickly, you ejected yourself to quickly. I know you were nervous, it was like your 2nd daytime sober approach of our life. Good lessons learned and that approach helped you relax, settle in, and be ready for the next one.

This is no rush to ramble, if she wants to talk, let her do it. Read her body language and facial expressions. Don't over ramble. Give her a chance to respond.

One big lesson for the day was what I call "situational opportunities". Finding an opportunity to open her. Some situations are better then others. Sometime we have to wait a few minutes before we strike. Sometimes you have to turn around and follow them into a store or to a red light. What you did with the Latina taking pictures was a perfect example of this. Make it seem like a spontaneous, innocent encounter. Girls love spontaneous encounters with handsome men. As you saw yesterday.

I think that is about it. Strong work. We will do it again soon.

If anyone is interested in daygaming in SF, let me know. I'm really thinking of doing some daygame workshops or something like that. I love this shit and I'm willing to help others.

Special message to at350zguyy:

You are probably reading this thinking - "damn, is that the same Gio I hung with in Vegas". Sorry, I was not in game mode in Vegas, I was in find a nursing home for grandma mode. In San Jose, I had recently ended my ltr. We have hung out twice and I was not really in a strong gaming mode each time. San Jose was ok but I assure you I can do much better and I have improved alot since then. Next time I see you I promise I will go hard. I owe you a strong effort.

[at350zguyy]

Gio,

Thanks for the shout. I know you were in a different mindset in Vegas, otherwise I think you would have stuck around at the basketball camp as well.

You would have really enjoyed Fisto and what he brings to the table.

Soon enough, brother, we'll be able to go hard in one setting. I eagerly anticipate that day!

[at350zguyy]

By the way, are sporting those Waldo glasses? I've been debating on getting myself a pair now!

[WestCoast]

Great agree with all of this my man.

A couple notes. What I was wearing wasn't even a suit! I mixed and matched brands! No need to pay up until I feel the need to do so. Just need to hustle and have an eye for the correct colors. The "suit" was actually a brand from Asia, a brand from America, shoes and belt were grabbed in mexico!

Just gotta have attention to detail for the colors!

I will end up going "custom" in about 6 months, assuming all goes well in bonuses (tough luck there in this market). Like i said max our your body then find those brands that fit you 90% of the way.

We'll kick it a couple times when I am in SF, hit the gym a tad harder and we'll find stuff that can fit you like a glove for cheap. Really cheap. I'll also give you the basics of dance one day (running on 1 year of dancing now). Your day game is solid.

Side note to guys out there: I don't believe i naturally learn fast, i have been doing hard core night game for well over 5 years so the transition is rather seamless. The no-alcohol is key and Gio is very strong without any substances!

Ps: Continued through the whole night! Pulled one other Latin girl and one other girl remembered me from the makeup place! She walked up and asked "why were you in the make up section with that girl?" IE: the 9.5 you're referring to. ha!

[Lothario]

Great to see members connecting with each other and helping each others game and I'm itching to buy a ticket and get to SF Bay area, One of these days ......

Would love to go on a Hunting session with Gio and WestCoast separately off coarse, I also think two is a deadly combo....

[Giovonny]

(08-04-2012 04:11 PM)at350zguyy Wrote:  

By the way, are you sporting those Waldo glasses? I've been debating on getting myself a pair now!

I call them "Westbrooks" and no, I didn't wear them but I do like them and think they are a nice change of pace sometimes.

[WanderingSoul]

(08-03-2012 07:41 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

1. Still think you can improve on style. We were hanging out and I went ahead and said fuck it i'm going to wear a nicer blazer. It worked and i'm glad you agree. I am also glad you realized fashion doesn't need to be expensive! Fit fit fit! I dont care if your shirt costs $400 or $4. If it doesn't fit get out of there! Remember both of those cute girls in the store agreed and said "it fits very nicely on you"!

So true. The past few months I've been reading a lot about style and just dropped about $500 on upgrading my wardrobe. Still have a long way to go, but I make sure that everything fits now. Before, I didn't even realize my clothes didn't fit me. It's embarrassing looking back. Sad part is, I was still better dressed than the majority of guys going out.

Check out Dupree in the photo. I like everything he's wearing (aside from the tongue of his shoes sticking out) but the fit makes him look like a fucking midget. If the fit was on point, he would look good. A solid casual outfit dressed up a bit with a blazer. Throw a button up underneath it and put on some wingtips or boots and you have a more classy look.

The photo below helped me a lot when trying on shirts. Now it drives me crazy when I see people wearing button up shirts untucked that are too long. Looks like they are wearing dresses. Having the bottom hemmed shorter, and with a much more subtle tail, makes them look 100x better.



Sounds like you guys had a blast. I feel like an asshole for being rude to WC in his workout post, seems like a solid guy. I'll have to let you choke me out if we ever run into each other.

   

   

[Duke Castile]

I've been meaning to write here about my meetup with 350ZGUY in Vegas. Nice guy, solid. Here's my breakdown just on the little time we spent hanging out.

Looks:

You are short but I would say you're a good looking dude.

Dress: Of course when we hit dinner you were coming from basketball camp so that doesn't count. When we met up with TTG you were wearing a suit. It fit well but I wasn't crazy about the shirt and tie. I'd say it was a little too conservative for going out but that's me.

Game: You seem to have learned a lot from Gio and other's from what you said and did. I had a couple girls meet us at a shitty place we wound up at (not our fault) and you seamlessly had that girl all about you. The girl you had was HOT. What I hope you took away from that was a higher standard. That's the type of girl you should ALWAYS be gaming. That little Indian girl may well have been cool but she was below standard.

Critiques: I would rate your overall game as a B+. I think you came off as a little too happy to be talking to girls when your attitude should be "this is just another walk in the park". I also think you try a little to hard to impress others and that doesn't translate well when gaming women. I don't think you need to do that. I think you can impress people organically just by being a fun, cool, mofo.

Lastly I wanted to apologize for being a little anti social. I've got a few things that have been weighing heavily on me and it's leaking out.

[Veloce]

Met up with Slubu and BasilRansom tonight. We didn't run enough approaches to critique each other.

I was surprised at how mellow these guys were. I felt like a chatty, over-talkative retard all night. That said, they did walk into my set with two French girls I'd give the girls both 7s.

I couldn't tell which girl I was gonna strike something up with. They were both rich society girls, one a full french brunette, the other a blonde half French, half American white upper crust society girl. I went to the bathroom at one point and come back to see Basil mackin on the blonde girl with his arm around her. I'm actually pretty stoked that I could focus on the brunette. Slubu ejected the venue and went down the street to another, curious to see how he did. Basil is very unassuming. He reminds me of some kid you'd see in Dead Poet's Society, but he gives the girls solid, "I will fuck you" eye contact. I can see him doing very well in hipster or alternative venues. Pretty soon into his interaction with her I saw him getting digits and he was getting a better reaction from her than I was when I first showed up and made the initial approach. Basil you should def hit that girl up, the way you had her laughing, pretty sure she's down to bone.

I got some good physical action with my French girl, at one point I was rubbing my hand against her pussy through her underwear and occasionally kissing her neck. She told me she really wanted to come home with me but had to leave for Paris the next day and obviously she could never leave her friend like that to go home with a boy she just met. Whatever. Problem with high society girls; isolation is much more difficult. If we were all in Vegas it woulda been much, much different. We made out before she left. Eh...

Slubu, wtf happened to you man? Either way, good to meet these two cats and introduce them to my regular pulling venue. There's lots of talent there but logistics can be near impossible.

[slubu]

Quote:

I was surprised at how mellow these guys were. I felt like a chatty, over-talkative retard all night.

Yeah I get told a lot that I'm the "calm and collected" type. It's a fun dichotomy because it usually catches them off-guard when I ramp up escalation. I thought you're banter was great, everyone's got their own style. You kept the conversation going well with both girls.

Quote:

That said, they did walk into my set with two French girls I'd give the girls both 7s.

Can't complain when there are girls already waiting upon arrival. Easily both 7s, and maybe another 0.5 for each since they were not American girls.

Quote:

I couldn't tell which girl I was gonna strike something up with. They were both rich society girls, one a full french brunette, the other a blonde half French, half American white upper crust society girl. I went to the bathroom at one point and come back to see Basil mackin on the blonde girl with his arm around her. I'm actually pretty stoked that I could focus on the brunette.

It was funny, we were doing some musical chairs during that time. I actually thought you were focusing on the blonde. The brunette seemed way sluttier though, as proven by you apparently a bit later.

Quote:

Basil is very unassuming. He reminds me of some kid you'd see in Dead Poet's Society, but he gives the girls solid, "I will fuck you" eye contact. I can see him doing very well in hipster or alternative venues. Pretty soon into his interaction with her I saw him getting digits and he was getting a better reaction from her than I was when I first showed up and made the initial approach. Basil you should def hit that girl up, the way you had her laughing, pretty sure she's down to bone.

Yeah before I left you had her falling over laughing. Basil's a good guy to go out with, we've head out a few times together now and it's relatively easy to work together when approaching girls.

Quote:

I got some good physical action with my French girl, at one point I was rubbing my hand against her pussy through her underwear and occasionally kissing her neck.

thedude here's what I noticed most about your game - your kino/escalation is great. It's funny post-red pill I now can pick up on everything guys do to move the interaction forward. I saw you rubbing her shoulders lightly and rest your hand on her thigh a few times for just the right amount of time and she was 100% fine with it. I swear I also heard you trying to plant the seed for her to come back with you while I was still there - I think you were saying something like it's your last night, who cares do what you want or something along those lines. Plant that seed, and then you fuck the plant.

Quote:

She told me she really wanted to come home with me but had to leave for Paris the next day and obviously she could never leave her friend like that to go home with a boy she just met. Whatever. Problem with high society girls; isolation is much more difficult.

That sucks, damn logistics. My strategy would have been to offer to drop her friend home and for her to come back and hang out, pretty much anything. But if a girl has it made up in her mind she won't leave her friend, nothing much you could do about that. I did think you had a solid chance though when I left.

Quote:

Slubu, wtf happened to you man?

Combination of things led me to leave. First, you guys seemed like things were progressing with the girls, so no reason to have me there interjecting conversation here and there and third-wheeling it. Second, had a friend who called me and was in the area and wanted to meet up, so I figured why not. Ended up walking around the place a bit more, talked to some girls in the back but nothing doing. Not many targets there at that time. Then met up my friend and went to a club down the street which was downright horrible - I'm talking bunch of nasty 250lb girls dancing to ghetto hip hop. I hit on the only approachable girl there (she was 19) and that didn't go anywhere. Left, and was told to go to this other club down the street.

Get there and the place is crawling with 8s and 9s. Lots of money was there you could tell - one guy rolled out with a hot hot girl and just asked the valet for his Fisker. The door was ridiculous, you were only getting in by dropping money for bottles or knowing someone. When I saw them rejecting hot girls I knew it was useless to try and get in. Tried talking/pulling to some of the girl overflow outside there but they were either drunk and in groups going home or waiting to get in which they eventually did. Oh well.

Quote:

Either way, good to meet these two cats and introduce them to my regular pulling venue. There's lots of talent there but logistics can be near impossible.

Definitely, we should head out again. I've got some more developed thoughts on WeHo vs. Santa Monica/Venice now, but that's for another thread/discussion. It's refreshing to meet up with and go out with guys that are both like-minded and have some ability. Till next time gents..

[Veloce]

(08-12-2012 11:07 AM)slubu Wrote:  

Get there and the place is crawling with 8s and 9s. Lots of money was there you could tell - one guy rolled out with a hot hot girl and just asked the valet for his Fisker. The door was ridiculous, you were only getting in by dropping money for bottles or knowing someone. When I saw them rejecting hot girls I knew it was useless to try and get in. Tried talking/pulling to some of the girl overflow outside there but they were either drunk and in groups going home or waiting to get in which they eventually did. Oh well.

2nd place...skybar?

Also, on a completely unrelated note, one thing I forgot to mention is Tuthmosis' "I'm looking for a *quality* girl" line. Fucking brilliant, the man deserves an award for that.

At one point I was telling French girl how I'm gonna visit her in Paris (not that far fetched, probably gonna do a Europe trip in May '13) and she starts in with, "You won't remember me, you meet a lot of girls, you do this to a lot of girls...", going down that path. I faltered for a sec but remembered Tuth's line, and came back with, "Actually, you're right. I do meet a lot of girls, but I don't meet a lot of *quality* girls." Should have seen the look in her eye, I could literally see the hamster melt right then and there.

[slubu]

(08-12-2012 11:14 AM)thedude3737 Wrote:  

(08-12-2012 11:07 AM)slubu Wrote:  

Get there and the place is crawling with 8s and 9s. Lots of money was there you could tell - one guy rolled out with a hot hot girl and just asked the valet for his Fisker. The door was ridiculous, you were only getting in by dropping money for bottles or knowing someone. When I saw them rejecting hot girls I knew it was useless to try and get in. Tried talking/pulling to some of the girl overflow outside there but they were either drunk and in groups going home or waiting to get in which they eventually did. Oh well.

2nd place...skybar?

Also, on a completely unrelated note, one thing I forgot to mention is Tuthmosis' "I'm looking for a *quality* girl" line. Fucking brilliant, the man deserves an award for that.

At one point I was telling French girl how I'm gonna visit her in Paris (not that far fetched, probably gonna do a Europe trip in May '13) and she starts in with, "You won't remember me, you meet a lot of girls, you do this to a lot of girls...", going down that path. I faltered for a sec but remembered Tuth's line, and came back with, "Actually, you're right. I do meet a lot of girls, but I don't meet a lot of *quality* girls." Should have seen the look in her eye, I could literally see the hamster melt right then and there.

Wasn't skybar. Just asked my sister she knew what it was: bootsybellows.com/BootsyBellows-BottleMenu.pdf. So about 560 or so for a bottle out the door. Or know someone there.

Gotta use that line, I love the hamster melt.

[el mechanico]

You guys in LA seem to have enough manpower to get a pussy scam going. I'll come up with some ideas if you start a thread. If you can get Tuthmosis/MikeCF on board it may be a slam dunk.

[WesternCancer]

Damn, I'm jealous of all you guys meeting up over there. I think I'd learn a lot rolling with like minded dudes. I should start planning a road trip to meet all you guys. It'll have to be next summer though, once I'm 21.

[Veloce]

Bootsy Bellows, that's the place those french girls were telling us about they were at the night before, in the former Trousdale spot. Some of the people I work with are really well connected, let me see what I can do.

Isn't speakeasy in L.A. too?

[speakeasy]

(08-12-2012 01:03 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  

Bootsy Bellows, that's the place those french girls were telling us about they were at the night before, in the former Trousdale spot. Some of the people I work with are really well connected, let me see what I can do.

Isn't speakeasy in L.A. too?

Yeah I'm out here. Seems there's lots of L.A. dudes on the forum. I tend to hang downtown these days when I was go out. I don't know too much about the Hollywood/WeHo scene.

[at350zguyy]

(08-08-2012 01:27 AM)Fisto Wrote:  

I've been meaning to write here about my meetup with 350ZGUY in Vegas. Nice guy, solid. Here's my breakdown just on the little time we spent hanging out.

Looks:

You are short but I would say you're a good looking dude.

Dress: Of course when we hit dinner you were coming from basketball camp so that doesn't count. When we met up with TTG you were wearing a suit. It fit well but I wasn't crazy about the shirt and tie. I'd say it was a little too conservative for going out but that's me.

Game: You seem to have learned a lot from Gio and other's from what you said and did. I had a couple girls meet us at a shitty place we wound up at (not our fault) and you seamlessly had that girl all about you. The girl you had was HOT. What I hope you took away from that was a higher standard. That's the type of girl you should ALWAYS be gaming. That little Indian girl may well have been cool but she was below standard.

Critiques: I would rate your overall game as a B+. I think you came off as a little too happy to be talking to girls when your attitude should be "this is just another walk in the park". I also think you try a little to hard to impress others and that doesn't translate well when gaming women. I don't think you need to do that. I think you can impress people organically just by being a fun, cool, mofo.

Lastly I wanted to apologize for being a little anti social. I've got a few things that have been weighing heavily on me and it's leaking out.

Thanks for the critiques, Fisto. I can definitely build on my game and tactics with what you've told me.

Glad you could learn something from me and don't worry about the being asocial bit. Hopefully we can kill some more the next time I'm in Vegas. Definitely know I can raise my standards, sometimes I just need a friendly reminder. Still fixing up the wardrobe and experimenting with some colors and patterns, but I'll get there.

You're a solid dude. You have airtight game and I'm glad you've tried out the sober gaming after I left. Good looking and tall dude. You definitely look younger than you are and this really works to your advantage. You're style is great and you definitely blend dressy, trendy, and casual all into one.

Play on, player.

[ElJefe]

What a terrific thread!

[slubu]

(08-12-2012 12:50 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

You guys in LA seem to have enough manpower to get a pussy scam going. I'll come up with some ideas if you start a thread. If you can get Tuthmosis/MikeCF on board it may be a slam dunk.

e-mech you've sparked my interest. I'll try to get a thread going. I tried a scam years ago by doing a fake talent agency, but all that did was get another guy who had game laid. May be time for some similar ideas now that I'm 7 years wiser. I've always wanted to explore the potential to make them come to me, just haven't figured out how (or to what extent it's possible).

[Lothario]

Update on 350Zguy's Game

I met 350Zguy about a year ago in Chicago and we together for a couple of days, and have been in touch with him since then, had a chance to see him for a couple of hours over the weekend and did some night game.

Here are the things I noticed he has Improved since the last time I had seen him

1. Style: Much better, No longer Vanilla like others had said in the past....... He was rocking a Tie on Jeans with confidence and has reported Tie to be working for him/Girls pulling you in with the Tie, Keep it Up.......

2. Hair: Little bit Messy look give your face more masculine look and I think 2-3 day Stubble had something to do with it too.

3. Fitness: Definitely looks like you have gained about 10 -15 pounds of muscle mass and looks good too.

Glove like fitted Shirt and musles showing off even through the shirt. I can see you are connecting the dots.

Confidence was your strong suit but I can see it going throught the roof.

My Respect for this Players Game shot up when I realized what kind of Lifestyle/Career decisions he has been making purely on the Basis of Passion, Seems like you are following Steve Jobs advice to a T from this commencement speech.....

I think and hope and wish that world of Opportunities will open up for you.

Things I would like for you to Improve :

Day Game, You are getting to be a beast at Night Game but you don't talk much about Day Game, Give it a Try you will be amazed.

Start travelling and you will meet way more girls that you like, I think you have a preference for Exotic loooking Brazilian Girls.

[at350zguyy]

(09-05-2012 11:02 AM)Lothario Wrote:  

Update on 350Zguy's Game

I met 350Zguy about a year ago in Chicago and we together for a couple of days, and have been in touch with him since then, had a chance to see him for a couple of hours over the weekend and did some night game.

Here are the things I noticed he has Improved since the last time I had seen him

1. Style: Much better, No longer Vanilla like others had said in the past....... He was rocking a Tie on Jeans with confidence and has reported Tie to be working for him/Girls pulling you in with the Tie, Keep it Up.......

2. Hair: Little bit Messy look give your face more masculine look and I think 2-3 day Stubble had something to do with it too.

3. Fitness: Definitely looks like you have gained about 10 -15 pounds of muscle mass and looks good too.

Glove like fitted Shirt and musles showing off even through the shirt. I can see you are connecting the dots.

Confidence was your strong suit but I can see it going throught the roof.

My Respect for this Players Game shot up when I realized what kind of Lifestyle/Career decisions he has been making purely on the Basis of Passion, Seems like you are following Steve Jobs advice to a T from this commencement speech.....

I think and hope and wish that world of Opportunities will open up for you.

Things I would like for you to Improve :

Day Game, You are getting to be a beast at Night Game but you don't talk much about Day Game, Give it a Try you will be amazed.

Start travelling and you will meet way more girls that you like, I think you have a preference for Exotic loooking Brazilian Girls.

Lothario, my man. Good to see you in Chicago. Here's a quick overview of what I saw from you on Saturday. You had to play it cautious with the wife and kids around, so it was just batting practice for you.

- Despite the presence of your family, you still came out with me. Glad I could help you get out for a bit, even on the wife's birthday. Props for that.

- You rocked the glasses, and it's a pretty good look for you. Run with it for a little while and see where it gets you.

- You are an awesome rambler. I wish I could ramble like you.

- Didn't notice too much of an accent problem anymore. I wouldn't even think that this should be a hindrance to you anymore.

- Hopefully I'll see you soon. It was nice to meet your family. The kids are adorable. That they love college basketball is even better!

[Lothario]

Are you Guys Ready for this one ........... Finally after 4 yrs had the Opportunity to meet........ Giovonny........ in person. It will be hard for me to say enough good things about him even in this long post but I will take a shot at it.......

Overall : Outstanding Player, Gem of a person that I felt like he was my Brother that I never had. Warm, entertaining and confident personality.

Understanding of Game/Inner Game: We all know Gio is a great poster and his posts are very congruent with his personality which comes from deep understnding of game and attention to the finest detail.

He is always hungry and thirsty to learn more and gets himself better by pounding the streets and constant approaching, He admitted to being better because he approaches a lot, My kind of Player.

Always trying a new concept, new way to Approach, Direct, Indirect or a mix of both or Indirect with a Suggestive Stare and trying to find out what works better.

Understands the College Girls really well , their needs, hang out locations, etc etc etc, Gio should write a book on College Game

Understands Hippies , Offcoarse he lives in San Francisco, but he understands the culture and nuances down to a T.

Understatement to say his Game is A+

Fitness: Most Fit person of his age I have seen, Not too Buff, Not Scrawny , Great Athletic looking body and has great Discipline on what to eat and when to eat and drink. Disciplined on sleep as well that shows since you are aging very well.

A + on fitness as well.

Style: Adjusts his style to fit his target demographic which is college girls , Hell Yeah , puts young girls at ease as he blends in well and has a great story to match as well.

I would give the Style an A not A+. Yes you have started dressing better and can't go the Sportscoat and Suit Game at the College Campus but I still think you can dress better, Better Shoes, Better T shirts, Better Shorts that will let you stand out, Off Coarse even currenlty you blow the male competition away but I think you can do better in Style Department.

Night Game: You don't do any , I understand the health risk etc but I am sure you can find a night venue that will fit your fitness needs and lifestyle choices. Try Student bars, Pool Lounges. Dance Halls or Cigar Bars, Wine Lounges etc etc etc.....
Off Coarse you will to step up your clothing Style a bit .....

Career/ LifeStyle Goals: I think you are working on it and are on the right path, With your Discipline, I am 100 % positive that you will find what you are looking for.

String Suits: Calibration of Game.... Adjusts his tonality, Body Language as soon as he sees his Target and makes his approach so effortlessly that girls don't feel like they are gamed and the meet just happened.

Things he can Improve: There is not much that I can write here

Hunting Grounds: and I mean a switch from College Campuses to Night Venues may be.... that still has the young poon that you are looking for.......

Style: I can't quite put my finger on what to tell you but you can do better. I would like to see something flashy on you..............

Things I learned from Gio:

Find the weaknesses in my Game, Plan to work on them and how to go about it like working on Little bit of accent that is left in me and slowing down.... He demonstrated 2-3 differnet accents that he has mastered like a Italian Guy, Irish Guy or a Texan , Man you should be acting ......
I need to record/videotape myself and listen to what i sound like .

I had discounted the young 20 yr olds from my taget demographic but he made me realize that it is still very doable. You just have to be in the right location at the right time projecting the right vibe, meaning approach a lot at College Campuses and I can Slay 1-2 per semester.

Making a Connection , Helped me understand the serendipity concept that girls revolve around and is very important, same as e-mech's timely Cobra game.

I need to embrace the Hispanic Spirit , become one with the hispanic culture and I will be able to attract a whole lot more quantity and quality.

Helped me understand that some things are congruent with my personality and I shouldn't change them at all like I'm a Happy person and shouldn't attempt to smile less which I was trying to do.

So many Other small things I learned that I am remembering as I am doing new approaches like stealing your closing lines to that Asian girl at the campus ...... "I will be your secret american BF"..... Stolen.

I was an absolute pleasure hanging out with Gio and I Left SFO a little saddened with longing to come back soon.

[Giovonny]

Lothario reminded me very much of myself. A man in his 30's who takes his game very serious! A man in his 30's approaching nearly every cute girl around him. A man in his 30's who is trying to bang cute college girls. It was fun to watch and very educational.

Lothario is dedicated to self-development and maximizing his attractiveness to females!

He has read all the game literature. He has done countless approaches. He has worked personally with Roosh. He has gone out with Mixx, El Mechanico, and many other top players. This dude is not playing around when it comes to getting some pussy!

He got into game in his late 20's/early 30's after a more traditional upbringing. Once he was exposed to game, it was like a fish to water. He has been going hard ever since.

I learned so much just talking to him. Style tips from G Manifesto, cologne tips from Samseau and Hydrogonian, insights from Bang and Day Bang, game advice from Krauser and Mark Manson. Lothario is polished in all areas. It was like taking a game workshop.

I observed him during the day.

What I was most impressed with was Lotharios ability to open indirectly, drop bait, makes jokes, and then quickly and smoothly push for an insta-date or same night date. He makes it look so easy. He accomplished this multiple times over the weekend.

I felt like I was watching a live demonstration of Day Bang.

His vibe is perfect. He is very calm and aloof yet is very methodical about his gaming strategy. I could tell that he was trained personally by Roosh. He was gaming hard but it didn't seem like he was trying hard. Within a few minutes he had girls laughing and asking him questions. Very smooth and confident conversationalist. There is no neediness or desperation in his vibe. He is authentically fearless!

His wardrobe is GQ. Flashy belt buckles, Mark Nason shoes, exotic scarfs, high quality fabrics, etc.

The only thing I could think of that would make Lothario more attractive to females is to adjust his accent a bit. Sometimes, when he is talking quickly or excited his South-East Asian accent comes out. Sometimes he speaks from his throat and not from his belly. These two things in combination can create a slightly high-pitched East Asian accent.

Of course, there is nothing wrong with having an East Asian accent, but, I think in terms of banging American women in middle America, it would be better to have a European accent or more American sounding tone of voice.

I look at it like this, which brown dude will have more success in America?

This guy?:

Or, this guy:

This Indian comedian breaks it down with a sense of humor:

I recommended that Lothario videotape himself speaking and watch it. Get a feel for what you really sound like. Then, find a voice mentor that you want to emulate.

When I was trying to improve the sound and tone of my voice, . I emulated James Bond.

Other then that, I can't think of any other areas where much improvement is needed. But, I didn't see you game at night. Perhaps someone else can advise you in night game.

What I learned:

Have a more focused strategy when approaching. Lothario transitions smoothly from an indirect opener to dropping bait to setting up an insta-date or same night date.

Drop better bait!

Dress better.

Read "Bang" and re-read "Day Bang".


Its an inspiration, to see a man come to the USA as a brown man and take responsibility for his sex life. Many Americans complain that they can't get laid and they don't take any action to fix the problem. Lothario came to this country with a very think accent! He worked hard to make himself attractive to women. He was not raised in this sexualized American culture. He had to learn how to flirt, learn how to talk to women, learn how to carry himself with a strong presence, learn how to dress, and learn game skill. He didn't make excuses, he fixed the problem!

You are an inspiration! You are an example of how powerful game can be!!!

Game can give you confidence, sex, social power, people skills, and even make you a stronger force at work. You learn to not let people take advantage of you, you learn how to more effectively influence people, you learn how to get people on your side. Lothario is an example of all of this. A true game success story. A self made lothario!