Breaking story here, it looks like.

Cuban TV is reporting the death of Fidel Castro.

Regardless of what one may think of him, he was an important 20th century historical figure.

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/26/fidel-cas...an-tv.html

I've always been interested in the character and personalities of historical figures.

This would be a good place to debate or discuss his life, character, achievements, level of influence (or lack of influence) and a final verdict on his rule.

Quote: (11-26-2016 12:35 AM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

Breaking story here, it looks like.

Cuban TV is reporting the death of Fidel Castro.

Regardless of what one may think of him, he was an important 20th century historical figure.

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/26/fidel-cas...an-tv.html

Yeap. It's confirmed. The last statesman of Latin America is gone. A great geo-strategist who knew how to play his cards masterfully. You don't survive ten American presidents 80 miles South of Florida and live to tell it every day.

I was just informed of this, came to check the forum straight away. Man was this a long time coming, I don't think any of you guys will ever understand that.

The one nigga that outlived the CIA and their attempts to murk him. You have to give him props just for that.

Can we now stop the Cuban refugee policy? They're coming by the boat loads and making the US of A broke. It's not the well educated anymore. It's rather the welfare queens who come to the US for a year, acquire legal status in the US, then immediately return to Cuba; proving that they are not escaping an authoritarian place but are rather economic migrants. The same niggas that scream "Castro is evil!!" are the same ones returning to see their family and funneling US Dollars to the Castro regime. If the Cuban government is a communist sponsor of terrorism, Cubans who return are essentially economic sponsors of communist terrorism.

He stepped down at the right time. He was an excellent public speaker, and had a charisma few men possess. His brother Raul was always the true mastermind behind the movement but he lacked what Fidel had in abundance. If you are fluent in Spanish I suggest you read Che Guevara's letter to Fidel.

Quote: (11-26-2016 01:09 AM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  

The one nigga that outlived the CIA and their attempts to murk him. You have to give him props just for that.

Can we now stop the Cuban refugee policy? They're coming by the. Us loads and making the country broke. It's not the well educated anymore. It's rather the welfare queens who come to the US for a year and then immediately return to Cuba; proving that they are not escaping an authoritarian place but are rather economic migrants.

That policy is dead since the moment you have regular flights between the two countries.

Cattle Rustler is 100% percent right. I hate the narrative that it's only Mexicans that are here illegally that are causing damage to the system. It's deeper than that.

Hated how he ruled his country, but you have to admire how he got to where he was. Him and a dozen or so educated, respected members of the upper-middle class decided to ditch it all and overthrow their government. They were decimated in their first engagement and spent months living off fruit and bugs in the jungle until, eventually, they rolled into Havana on the shoulders of la gente and proudly displayed a giant middle finger to the imperialists.

A Spanish professor of mine was a doctor and an officer in the Batista army and was sent up into the mountains in the Sierra Maestras to round up the rebels. He instead joined the rebellion and fought under Fidel until he was captured and sent to prison in Havana. His execution was set for January 06, 1959 but was saved when Batista fled on New Year's Eve. After his own friends became victims of post-revolutionary purges, he and his wife fled to Mexico and eventually to the US. Said he respected Fidel as a man (though he ended up hating his governing) but told me that Che was a real son of a bitch, a nasty fucker. Drank champagne through the night when he heard of his demise.

Quote: (11-26-2016 01:10 AM)Rushjones Wrote:  

He stepped down at the right time. He was an excellent public speaker, and had a charisma few men possess. His brother Raul was always the true mastermind behind the movement but he lacked what Fidel had in abundance. If you are fluent in Spanish I suggest you read Che Guevara's letter to Fidel.

Yeah, one of the reasons Fidel and Che were so successful was their bravado and wit. "La historia me absolvera" is up there with MLK's Letter from a Birmingham Jail in terms of revolutionary literature.

Happy Thanksgiving present everyone, even if its a day late.

Fuck that turd, his revolution, socialism, communism, export of communism, the african wars, and the feudal slave state island he created.

ETA, I hope his hell consists of an eternity of living the life of a common man in his marxist paradise.

¡Hasta la victoria siempre!

Well, bye.

Hopefully Cuba can turn things around over time.

Quote: (11-26-2016 01:14 AM)Luvianka Wrote:  

Quote: (11-26-2016 01:09 AM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  

The one nigga that outlived the CIA and their attempts to murk him. You have to give him props just for that.

Can we now stop the Cuban refugee policy? They're coming by the. Us loads and making the country broke. It's not the well educated anymore. It's rather the welfare queens who come to the US for a year and then immediately return to Cuba; proving that they are not escaping an authoritarian place but are rather economic migrants.

That policy is dead since the moment you have regular flights between the two countries.

There have been regular flights between both countries, not for tourism but you can actually get on a plane in MIA and land in Havana. The Cuban community has been trying to delay this because they want to get as many Cubans into the US.

As US-Cuban relations are improving, a mass migration is taking place right now. There are thousands of Cubans stranded in Costa Rica, Panama, and Colombia demanding (yes, with that entitlement) access to Mexico so they can cross to a border point. Their rationale, "I'm not stealing from you, I'm just asking you to let me go to the border so I can go to the US"...totally ignoring the country's migration statues. Some stranded Cubans are asking the government to put them on a plane to Mexico instead of Cuba...yet they don't want to pay. The Colombian border patrol attempted to deport them and they actually had the audacity to stage a protest, a Colombian court told them that they could not protest because they are not citizens.

It's not your mom and pop using a Honda marine engine attached to a Plywood door and crossing the sea anymore, it's planned human trafficking that goes from Cuba, Ecuador, Colombia thru Central America to Mexico...then cross Mexico in bus/plane ride to the border, reach Laredo or Brownsville. All of that so that in 366 days they book a flight to return to Cuba. Not to mention the MIA crime scene is runned by Cubans, especially trucking thefts and smuggling stolen merchandise out of the country......along with healthcare fraud.

These busters know their time might run out anytime.

Google "Cubanos en Turbo" or look up Marti Noticias.

http://www.martinoticias.com/a/colombian...27471.html

http://www.martinoticias.com/a/cuba-cris...27573.html

http://www.martinoticias.com/a/panama-al...28102.html

Fuck Castro.

I hope he suffered.

Quote: (11-26-2016 01:48 AM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  

[quote] (11-26-2016 01:14 AM)Luvianka Wrote:  

(11-26-2016, 06:09 AM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  The one nigga that outlived the CIA and their attempts to murk him. You have to give him props just for that.

countries.

There
http://www.martinoticias.com/a/panama-al...28102.html

Yes, but the Cuban Americans use them as a polticial lever. The very moment Cuba and the US have real normal relations the Cuban lobby dilutes.

Quote: (11-26-2016 01:24 AM)ms224 Wrote:  

ETA, I hope his hell consists of an eternity of living the life of a common man in his marxist paradise.

Bingo.

Castro dead. Right. Is the socialist paradise now going to start driving cars bought back before Kennedy was assassinated?

I saw some supposed videos of Cubans celebrating his death in Miami. Can't confirm their authenticity but wouldn't rule it out.

The right wing gangbangers, the globalists and an assortment of neo-con/libs Sorosites will be licking their lips at the prospect of raping and carving up Cuba. I remember back in '99 when he drew the ire of Bill Clinton after he publicly supported Serbia against the NATO imperialist aggression. Clinton rewarded Cuba with a tightening of sanctions on the island. Two days before the bombing, he had a conversation with the Yugoslav ambassador to Cuba.

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President Milosevic the day before, through the Yugoslavian ambassador in Havana and our ambassador in Belgrade.

“I beg you to communicate the following to President Milosevic:

“After carefully analyzing everything that is happening and the origins of the present dangerous conflict, we are of the view that an enormous crime is being committed against the Serbian people. At the same time, the aggressors are committing a huge error, which they won’t be able to sustain if the Serbian people are capable of resisting, as they did in their heroic struggle against the Nazi hordes.

Was part of the fight against the globalist banking elite and NWO by freeing his country from their grip. A great man who will inspire future generations.

"Men do not shape destiny, Destiny produces the man for the hour."
Fidel Castro
1926 - 2016

Quote: (11-26-2016 02:25 AM)D.C. Eagle Wrote:  

I saw some supposed videos of Cubans celebrating his death in Miami. Can't confirm their authenticity but wouldn't rule it out.

Rule it out? Cubans in Miami DEFINITELY celebrated this overnight and will into the morning.

Cuban-Americans, especially Cuban-Americans in Miami, are the only Hispanic sub-group to vote overwhelmingly Republican, thanks to their hatred of the first and second Castro regimes.

I can't fathom what it is like to grow up in Cuba, especially in the 'período especial' which started when I was 3 years old, or in the US with Cuban-born parents. I can only speak from the perspective of a Puerto Rican sharing the same flag with inverted colors.

Puerto Rico and Cuba took about as differing paths as possible for two nations so close to each other, with relation to the US. At a critical point in history in around the same time period, Fidel took over Cuba and set it on course to be staunchly and fiercely independent, even to the detriment of its people. Puerto Rico had the same choice, with Luís Muñoz Marín, but he sold out and essentially was bribed by the US, which set us on the wayward path to colonial status, and all that means for us, good and bad. The embargo that followed I think is summarized neatly in this little image, the amount of undersea internet cables that literally connects the world to each other.

   

Note how Cuba has one cable connection from Venezuela, in spite of at the narrowest distance being only 90 miles away from Florida. Conversely, Florida supplies PR with free, no lag, high quality streamed porn. Full global map: http://submarine-cable-map-2016.telegeography.com/

Cubans have suffered a lot for this. Fidel's original intentions were probably good - he merely refused to be abused. Unfortunately, he became a brutal dictator that abused his own people as well.

But now, PR and Cuba are headed in, possibly, very different directions. The door is opening up for Cuba, and there are sure to be some more cables coming their way. While PR drowns in its own corruption, Cuba will be flooded with tourists interested in a bigger, objectively more beautiful, and 'authentic' experience. They can only go up from here. All because Cuba decided to not be a bitch. Cubans actually have a lot to be incredibly proud of, surviving as a staunchly self-sufficient nation against all odds. That counts for something, and as a Puerto Rican who struggles to name anything of prominence coming out of this island outside of Marc Anthony (ja), I envy that sense of legitimate pride. It's the reason I look up to Cubans, but many Cubans hate Puerto Ricans like me.

For that reason, even though I know I am completely ignorant of most of Fidel's atrocities and what Cubans have really had to go through, I'll always have a healthy admiration, and fear, for what he did. We'll never see one person control a country's destiny quite like he did again.

Quote: (11-26-2016 02:26 AM)Traktor Wrote:  

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Was part of the fight against the globalist banking elite and NWO by freeing his country from their grip.
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Proof positive that the enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend.

The dog had no business living to 90 while his countrymen died young in poverty.

The Cuban-Americans in Miami sureare enjoying the news about Castros death.

http://twitter.com/CNN/status/802416871387623424

Quote: (11-26-2016 02:55 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

Quote: (11-26-2016 02:26 AM)Traktor Wrote:  

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Was part of the fight against the globalist banking elite and NWO by freeing his country from their grip.
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Proof positive that the enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend.

The dog had no business living to 90 while his countrymen died young in poverty.

Cuba has advisers and military operatives in Syria to support President Assad fighting Western backed Islamic fundamentalist jihadist forces who are intent on blowing up the ME. Cuba is part of the Russian led spearhead against the forces of globalism and Wahabbi Islamism. Cuba is hated not only by the Right, but also globalists and Islamists.

As for Cubans dying young in poverty, Cuba has a life expectancy of 79.07 years according to the UN. It has a literacy rate of 99% and an infant child mortality rate of 5.8 which is lower than the US (6.2) and .1 above the EU average. Not bad for a country which has suffered under illegal US sanctions since 1960.

So next time when the 'Alt Right' call for the undermining of Cuba and condemn it's system of governance and stance in world affairs, remember you are directly calling for the weakening of the Russian led axis against US imperialism, the globalists, Soros and their Islamist proxies. The very same forces that you rail against on a daily basis.

So yes, Cuba is an ally not an enemy.

Quote: (11-26-2016 03:17 AM)Clemmo Wrote:  

The Cuban-Americans in Miami sureare enjoying the news about Castros death.

http://twitter.com/CNN/status/802416871387623424

Miami Cubans may just be the most obnoxious breed of humans on Earth, up there with Zionist Israeli Jews.

That Cuba is still aligned with the old anti-US former communist nations is of no relevance to me whatsoever.

Communism is a murderous cancer that needlessly consumed tens of millions of lives in the previous century, and if you're bitching about globalism then it's only sour grapes that the marxists sputtered out and the the glorious people's revolution failed where the globalists are currently succeeding.

The globalists merely rebranded communism and marched on, so Castro was only fighting the old guard in new suits.

Communism stands against all freedom. It deserves to go down in history as a great evil, along with anyone who was responsible for the millions of politically motivated murders that occurred under it.