[Paracelsus]

Castro being opposed to the globalists didn't make him a principled anti-globalist than Hitler being opposed to the unions made him a principled free marketer.

Both were merely jealous of competitors to their power, as is the case for all dictators. Gaddafi and Saddam were tangentially useful to Western stability mainly because they kept killing the radicals in their midsts, but this does not make them principled servants of freedom or any friend to the US. They were merely good at keeping power to themselves.

Lee Kuan Yew in Singapore was no different: he made common cause with the communist tiger in his early years. He still shot the fucker right between the eyes once he didn't need it any more.

These men were not free traders or libertarians, not by any stretch of the imagination. Libertarians and free traders don't need to muzzle competing political parties or shoot dissenters. They were also not nationalists: Castro's first and foremost interest was Castro, not Cuba.

[Leonard D Neubache]

(11-26-2016 06:26 AM)Traktor Wrote:  

(11-26-2016 05:52 AM)GlobalMan Wrote:  

One can dislike globalism while also correctly pointing out that the Castro regime was destructive, deadly and oppressive- the two are not mutually exclusive. Trying to imply that one needs to or should support Castro et al in order to be truly against globalism is absurd.

Disagree. Those who oppose Castro are firmly in NWO/Globalist camp and hate Putin and Assad. That's a fact.
...

You win, comrade.





Feel free to inform the man behind you with the gun known as comrade line supervisor that you have successfully converted us.



I'm sure your family will be looking forward to their well deserved extra chunk of horse meat in their gruel.

[GlobalMan]

(11-26-2016 07:01 AM)Traktor Wrote:  

But you have just made the point that Gaddaffi, Hafez Assad and Castro were scumbags even though they were both nationalists and internationalists.

What does this mean exactly? It implies that as long as you're a nationalist you're "one of the good ones", that is the sole criteria. Ignore anything else.

Why can't one be both a scumbag and a nationalist?

Is there nothing other than the cause that should be taken into consideration? Death squads and political prisons forgiven as long as one was a nationalist?

Come on man. It's not difficult to see how this is silly.

[Traktor]

(11-26-2016 07:05 AM)Paracelsus Wrote:  

Castro being opposed to the globalists didn't make him a principled anti-globalist than Hitler being opposed to the unions made him a principled free marketer.

Both were merely jealous of competitors to their power, as is the case for all dictators. Gaddafi and Saddam were tangentially useful to Western stability mainly because they kept killing the radicals in their midsts, but this does not make them principled servants of freedom or any friend to the US. They were merely good at keeping power to themselves.

Lee Kuan Yew in Singapore was no different: he made common cause with the communist tiger in his early years. He still shot the fucker right between the eyes once he didn't need it any more.

These men were not free traders or libertarians, not by any stretch of the imagination. Libertarians and free traders don't need to muzzle competing political parties or shoot dissenters. They were also not nationalists: Castro's first and foremost interest was Castro, not Cuba.

Tell me this, is Libya, Syria and Iraq and indeed the wider ME better off today in 2016 than it was in 1996? You know the answer to that. Castro, Assad, Gaddaffi, Chavez and Saddam were deep down nationalists. To say different is absurdly silly. True they were not libertarians but try running that shit show in the ME or Cuba where Castro and Hafez Assad faced enemies from Day 1 intent on killing them and plundering their respective nations in the name of 'freedom' and 'democracy'. And from a super power called the US of A.

Condemn these men and me all you want but at least I'm not cheerleading on the globalists.

[Traktor]

(11-26-2016 07:06 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

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You win, comrade.





Feel free to inform the man behind you with the gun known as comrade line supervisor that you have successfully converted us.


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[Traktor]

From Wikileaks - https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/06HAVANA23588_a.html

This is who you are cheerleading. The neo-cons/neo-libs, and the Saudis.

[Leonard D Neubache]

Year zero nationalist. Great man?

This guy



Nationalist. What a super guy. Wish we were ruled by guys just like this!

Gosh, imagine how cheap real estate would be!

[GlobalMan]

(11-26-2016 07:13 AM)Traktor Wrote:  

Condemn these men and me all you want but at least I'm not cheerleading on the globalists.

(11-26-2016 07:20 AM)Traktor Wrote:  

This is who you are cheerleading. The neo-cons/neo-libs, and the Saudis.

Not one person in this thread has done any "cheerleading for globalists".

You are arguing with the guy in your head.

[Traktor]

(11-26-2016 07:21 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  


Year zero nationalist. Great man?

This guy

Nationalist. What a super guy. Wish we were ruled by guys just like this!

Gosh, imagine how cheap real estate would be!

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/pol...l-pot-hand

Quote:

In fact, the US had been secretly funding Pol Pot in exile since January 1980. The extent of this support - $85m from 1980 to 1986 - was revealed in correspondence to a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. On the Thai border with Cambodia, the CIA and other intelligence agencies set up the Kampuchea Emergency Group, which ensured that humanitarian aid went to Khmer Rouge enclaves in the refugee camps and across the border.

[chakalaka]

But what are you saying or defending? Cubans live in poverty. Doctors work in hotels as valets.

What should I admire in a man who plunged his people into poverty?

"Prior to the Cuban Revolution, Cuba was one of the most advanced and successful countries in Latin America.[16] The country compared favorably with Spain and Portugal on socioeconomic measures. By the 1950s Cuba was as rich per capita as Italy was and richer than Japan.[17] Its income per capita in 1929 was reportedly 41% of the US, thus higher than in Mississippi and South Carolina.[18]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Cuba

I´m suppose to admire an idiot which led thousands of people to poverty? Is poverty good? Is hunger good? Is sickness good?

Incredible how can this still be debated. A lot of cubans would be better off if Castro had died earlier. Communist scum. I don´t care if it´s a globalist or nationalist. The well being/standard of living of the people is the criteria. Or maybe it isn´t in your view.

Peoples freedom. Respect for each other. Meritocracy. Etc, etc, etc.

You can debate in theory communism. But in real life. In real world it´s an ideology which only brought misery to the people. Regardless of the tool who pushed this nefarious agenda.

Lastly it´s more and less proven communists is the trendy ideology of the sons of wealthy families. It´s fashionable. Fuck them.

[Traktor]

Tributes continue to pour in from Russia.

https://sputniknews.com/politics/2016112...-reaction/

Quote:

Putin stressed that Fidel Castro had made a huge contribution to the development of Russian-Cuban relations, and to strategic cooperation between the two countries in all areas. Castro was "a sincere and reliable friend of Russia," according to the president.

Fidel has passed the baton on. Over to you Vlad to lead the fight.

[Leonard D Neubache]

(11-26-2016 07:38 AM)chakalaka Wrote:  

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Incredible how can this still be debated. A lot of cubans would be better off if Castro had died earlier. Communist scum. I don´t care if it´s a globalist or nationalist. The well being/standard of living of the people is the criteria. Or maybe it isn´t in your view.
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That's why 1000 years after the last communist has died some damn idiot will dust off a copy of The Communist Manifesto and not long thereafter millions of people will be rounded up and shot while millions more will be starved to death.

The greatest injustice of the last century is that communism wasn't regarded as even more evil than Nationalist socialism (ie the NAZIs).

[YossariansRight]

Colin Kaepernick and Obama will be deliveing the eulogy.

[Paracelsus]

(11-26-2016 07:13 AM)Traktor Wrote:  

Tell me this, is Libya, Syria and Iraq and indeed the wider ME better off today in 2016 than it was in 1996? You know the answer to that.

The better question in Syria's case is what state the country was in before Assad's father led the 1970 Corrective Revolution (why do the dictators always choose Glorious And Fantastic Names For Their "Bloodless" Military Coups? Wow, Such Revolution, Very Proletariat, Much People Power).

As Assad's own foreign minister said in 2000: "I am not exaggerating when I say that the Corrective Movement, which took place in 1970 under the leadership of Hafez al-Assad ... has crystalized for the first time in modern Arab history a mature and realistic pan-Arab ideology."

Yes, because nothing horrible ever happens with pan-Arabic ideologies...

Quote:

Castro, Assad, Gaddaffi, Chavez and Saddam were deep down nationalists. To say different is absurdly silly. True they were not libertarians but try running that shit show in the ME or Cuba where Castro and Hafez Assad faced enemies from Day 1 intent on killing them and plundering their respective nations in the name of 'freedom' and 'democracy'. And from a super power called the US of A.

You do know Hafez Assad was a part of the coup against the elected Syrian government in 1961, right? Not to mention that what prompted the coup was an attempt at unifying Egypt and Syria led by Arabs in order to oppose Israel? Would you like to specify what US influence was at play there?

Castro, Assad, Gaddaffi, Chavez, and Saddam were deep down out for themselves first. They didn't have any concern for their people except to what extent those people were a threat to their regimes.

[GlobalMan]

Viva la revolución! We are with you North Korea and Venezuela! Fight on comrades! There are still people who haven't lost everything yet! This will work soon!

[ivansirko]

Here is Michael Totten visiting Havana. Said it was worse than Baghdad.

http://www.city-journal.org/html/last-co...13649.html

Sorry fellas. A Marxist death machine is not something to admire. 2 million+ dead Cubans have no comment.

[Going strong]

Traktor, have you ever been to Cuba?

Or is Cuba for you just a romantic, nostalgic and grandiose idea?

Also, are you aware that Communism is the most globalist of all globalist ideas? For communists, there are no religions, no roots, no ethnicities (even though EE communists secretly despise and fear sub-Saharans, don't you now?), no nativisms. And no private property, by the way. Total globalism (through global misery).

[Going strong]

(11-26-2016 07:44 AM)Traktor Wrote:  

Fidel has passed the baton on. Over to you Vlad to lead the fight.

If you want to pass yourself as a true Russian, start calling the Russian Federation president, Vladimir Vladimirovich (or better, Gospodin President). No Russian call him Vlad, I'm pretty sure even PM Medvedev don't call him "Vlad"... Just that you know... I mean, your (obvious, exaggerated) CCCP trolling can improve in quality, tovarich.

[Libertas]

My god the word-think in this thread.



At the end of the day the results are what they are.

We can learn from Castro's experience in applying the laws of power but he was a scumbag and that's it. I'd rather live under "globalism" (whatever that means in this instance) than regimes like the Castros and I think any sane person would too.

Now it's time to lift the asylum policy, though we may have to wait until Raul bites the bullet too.

[YossariansRight]

Cuba, paradise?

http://www.therealcuba.com

It's Hell on Earth...

[Irenicus]

Some more photos, from Venezuela, another socialist paradise:

http://www.breitbart.com/national-securi...ial-order/



Small children in Yugoslavia used to sing this...

Quote:

Narodi Amerike i Engleske

će uskoro da iskuse blagodati proleterske.


(The people of America and England

will soon experience the benefits of the Ploleteriat (communism). )

...and the all knowing Party did not deliver.



Socialism - breaking promises since 1818!

[lavidaloca]

I think people don't fully understand cuba.

There are 2 very distinct subgroups on this.

1) There are many people who love Fidel Castro. A lot of people think of him as a great man who has taken care of them when times have been difficult.
My girlfriend was actually very sad about his death for example.

2) There are many that wished him dead. This is especially true in places where refugees live (i..e. Miami) Why? Well they left Cuba so obviously the number is going to be much higher that dislike him their.

People like to make Cuba out to be a communist shit hole where its impossible to get ahead. I guarantee if you left any self made man or entrepreneur there we have on the forum they would be able to become very successful. When I go there all I see is opportunity.

The Cubans celebrating his death are acting like change is in the air...reality...In Cuba there are 9 days of mourning right now where all the Discos etc. are shut down.

Heres the next in line after Raul (Though it's possible one of the Castro children is chosen to lead after) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miguel_D%C3%ADaz-Canel

Cuba is gonna stay same old same old. You have to remember that they have an entire government of people who agree with Fidel.

The whole hes a murderer, terrible person dialogue is somewhat media pushed and Miami Mafia pushed. It is not in lines with what you'll hear inside of Cuba.

[Oz.]

I knew this thread would turn out like this. I'm going to refrain myself from posting too much in here to avoid being banned but I cannot help but laugh at the stupidity of some of these comments.

Especially those of you praising someone's accomplishment based on textbook knowledge without living it.

I lived it the majority of my life, my family still lives it and no one can tell me otherwise or attempt to act like they know what it's like.

[Truth Teller]

I'm sure Colin Kaperdick is sad.

Castro's legacy is mixed. He brought some great changes to Cuba, such as universal education and near universal literacy. However, almost all Communist countries have that tempered with internal repression, sluggish economies, etc. Where else are they still driving 1950s Studebakers around?

[ed pluribus unum]

I've relied on the writing of Humberto Fontova to counter the media-made myth of Castro's Cuba and Guevera's heroics.

Canadians, especially Quebecers, have long wilfully ignored Cuban realities in the quest of cheap tropical vacations.

A friend of mine who grew up behind the Iron Curtain went there on vacation once; his experienced eye had him spotting the secret police/snitches everywhere they went.

Glad he's gone, but not sure how much will change.