Quote: (10-07-2016 05:42 PM)Henny Wrote:  

I think people overstate the importance of Russian some what, nobody can deny it's a big advantage, but the girls who don't speak English are often the 9+'s , which are very hard to obtain, and the village skanks which are not appealing. It is nice to be able coerce a girl into bed using your brain sometimes though.

If I had to think of guys I met in Ukraine that have done well with the ladies, many of them barely spoke a lick of the lingo.

I would say appearance and confidence is more useful, you don't have to be particularly handsome but you should dress well and be fearlessly confident.

I've met quite a few scruffy foreigners that spam approach girls and say "Hello, do you speak English?"...."NO!!!!"...... then coming back saying "Oh my gawddd, I could tell she was really hot for me but she didn't speak any English, poor girl, if I spoke Russian I would clear up in this city!!" ))

All is useful. Russian, (and why not) English, clothing, style, looks, physical appearance, boldness, confidence... But Russian is not overstated, it's a real serious advantage and game changer. But of course a guy who does not bang or only bangs in the Philippines, acquiring Russian skills to bang slavic chicks would be unhelpful, girls would still be disgusted.

But...Abroad is a different story, though I have banged my share of Russians (LTR included), Ukrainians and Moldovans, I noticed that to a certain type of girls, my skills are hurtful, since some go abroad to runaway from the brute Russkoes and get some western dick and do not want a russified westerner, and others put a guy immediately in the hunter/player category, no matter how good the backstory. But still many like it, and this skill improves your SMV.

@TrippleG: May I ask is "This is trouble" your average Joe?
FYI the dude has million viewer travel and pick-up blog, and several pick up products.

@Henny: Speaking of Russian. I had an instance of my wing approaching a girl in English just to hear "me no speak English" I approached in Russian shortly after and got the lead. Draw your own conclusions.

Hey Vinny,

Have you been to Lviv and how did you fare? Was speaking Russian a turn-off to them?

Quote: (10-07-2016 06:04 PM)Rocha Wrote:  

Quote: (10-07-2016 05:42 PM)Henny Wrote:  

I think people overstate the importance of Russian some what, nobody can deny it's a big advantage, but the girls who don't speak English are often the 9+'s , which are very hard to obtain, and the village skanks which are not appealing. It is nice to be able coerce a girl into bed using your brain sometimes though.

If I had to think of guys I met in Ukraine that have done well with the ladies, many of them barely spoke a lick of the lingo.

I would say appearance and confidence is more useful, you don't have to be particularly handsome but you should dress well and be fearlessly confident.

I've met quite a few scruffy foreigners that spam approach girls and say "Hello, do you speak English?"...."NO!!!!"...... then coming back saying "Oh my gawddd, I could tell she was really hot for me but she didn't speak any English, poor girl, if I spoke Russian I would clear up in this city!!" ))

All is useful. Russian, (and why not) English, clothing, style, looks, physical appearance, boldness, confidence... But Russian is not overstated, it's a real serious advantage and game changer. But of course a guy who does not bang or only bangs in the Philippines, acquiring Russian skills to bang slavic chicks would be unhelpful, girls would still be disgusted.

But...Abroad is a different story, though I have banged my share of Russians (LTR included), Ukrainians and Moldovans, I noticed that to a certain type of girls, my skills are hurtful, since some go abroad to runaway from the brute Russkoes and get some western dick and do not want a russified westerner, and others put a guy immediately in the hunter/player category, no matter how good the backstory. But still many like it, and this skill improves your SMV.

One would get the impression sometimes from posts in here that Russian is almost mandatory in Ukraine to achieve results. People told me when I first visited "Why are you going there? you don't speak Russian" when I arrived it was like a Bang conveyer belt.

Also the guys posting "If I visit West Ukraine won't I have to speak Ukrainiannnn?" NO, and if you don't speak Russian, probably best of all SPEAK ENGLISH for fucks sake, they love it

It really comes down to work ethic and how long you plan on staying.

Every guy is going to have a different experience.
Although learning Russian in that environment does give you more confidence and makes it easier to have better conversations which is the building block of game.

There are multiple paths to success in Ukraine.
And like anything else, Russian isn't mandatory...However think about a Spanish guy who speaks no English visiting New York to meet girls...after a while he's going to want to learn the language.

When I was in Kiev, I met and got numbers from girls who spoke no English with my (very) limited Russian.
However it was awkward and tough to have that buttery smooth conversation like in English.

When you come to Kiev you should prepare for every scenario so you can get the most out of your time spent there.

Quote: (10-08-2016 05:53 AM)Henny Wrote:  

Quote: (10-07-2016 06:04 PM)Rocha Wrote:  

Quote: (10-07-2016 05:42 PM)Henny Wrote:  

I think people overstate the importance of Russian some what, nobody can deny it's a big advantage, but the girls who don't speak English are often the 9+'s , which are very hard to obtain, and the village skanks which are not appealing. It is nice to be able coerce a girl into bed using your brain sometimes though.

If I had to think of guys I met in Ukraine that have done well with the ladies, many of them barely spoke a lick of the lingo.

I would say appearance and confidence is more useful, you don't have to be particularly handsome but you should dress well and be fearlessly confident.

I've met quite a few scruffy foreigners that spam approach girls and say "Hello, do you speak English?"...."NO!!!!"...... then coming back saying "Oh my gawddd, I could tell she was really hot for me but she didn't speak any English, poor girl, if I spoke Russian I would clear up in this city!!" ))

All is useful. Russian, (and why not) English, clothing, style, looks, physical appearance, boldness, confidence... But Russian is not overstated, it's a real serious advantage and game changer. But of course a guy who does not bang or only bangs in the Philippines, acquiring Russian skills to bang slavic chicks would be unhelpful, girls would still be disgusted.

But...Abroad is a different story, though I have banged my share of Russians (LTR included), Ukrainians and Moldovans, I noticed that to a certain type of girls, my skills are hurtful, since some go abroad to runaway from the brute Russkoes and get some western dick and do not want a russified westerner, and others put a guy immediately in the hunter/player category, no matter how good the backstory. But still many like it, and this skill improves your SMV.

One would get the impression sometimes from posts in here that Russian is almost mandatory in Ukraine to achieve results. People told me when I first visited "Why are you going there? you don't speak Russian" when I arrived it was like a Bang conveyer belt.

Yes, a Bang conveyer belt loaded with the 50 chicks in town who speak good English and are active on Tinder, but have not left Ukraine yet (for various reasons, and I mostly mean, damaged goods). Think eskimo brothers here...

50 chicks who speak good English? Have you ever done day game? They almost all speak at least basic English.

Quote: (10-08-2016 07:12 AM)Cambodian Creamsicle Wrote:  

50 chicks who speak good English? Have you ever done day game? They almost all speak at least basic English.

That is why I said, "good English", not basic English.

If you know Ukraine... can you fathom why a beautiful, slim, young, non-damaged good, woman who speaks good English (sure hint that her family is not poor and could send her abroad, but anyway, she herself could go abroad by her own means), would still be in Ukraine, unless she is the official girlfriend or even wife of a rich man himself having business in Ukraine (or unless she's under 20 and has not yet decided to leave, but will soon)?

Therefore if you tell me you found a 23 years old HB 8+ who speaks good English and is single and idly strolling the streets of Kiev to be gamed, I'd doubt you. Doesn't make sense... 22+ years old HB 8+ EE women who speak good English, are fucking sharp, real sharp, and they absolutely know that the world is theirs (and they see through you and me like through crystal my friend, game or not). Why would they spend their days idly in Kiev when NY or Paris or holiday in BKK beckon (unless they have secured a local oligarch)?

I said at least basic English. Most speak decent English in Kiev. Outside of Kiev it's a different story. For example, I did a day game session yesterday. Every single girl spoke some level of English. They all learn it in school.

I'm going to a private movie theatre tonight with a hot 24 year old lawyer that speaks perfect English tonight. She has no desire to leave Ukraine (right now anyway).

Most people in general like to stay in their home country, hot women included. It's where their friends and family are. It's where they're most comfortable. I don't get this idea that just because a girl is hot and speaks English she'll automatically want to jump ship. I've met too many Ukrainian girls that tell me otherwise.

Quote: (10-08-2016 07:43 AM)Cambodian Creamsicle Wrote:  

I said at least basic English. Most speak decent English in Kiev. Outside of Kiev it's a different story. For example, I did a day game session yesterday. Every single girl spoke some level of English. They all learn it in school.

I'm going to a private movie theatre tonight with a hot 24 year old lawyer that speaks perfect English tonight. She has no desire to leave Ukraine (right now anyway).

Most people in general like to stay in their home country, hot women included. It's where their friends and family are. It's where they're most comfortable. I don't get this idea that just because a girl is hot and speaks English she'll automatically want to jump ship. I've met too many Ukrainian girls that tell me otherwise.

Ok, I forgot the ones who actually have secured a high-paying job, like business lawyer for a big private firm.

Anyway, I disagree with the following part of your post: "Most speak decent English in Kiev", and I correct for you: Most speak decent English in central Kiev.

As to "having learned English at school", first thing a EE girl tells you is usually how at school they did not learn good English language "because teacher verry bad".

Russian will at least triple anyones success there in my out of the ass estimation.

Theres a very sizable portion that doesnt speak english (and these are often very fun easy going girls)

Then theres those who speak some english but its just annoying to them which ruins the vibe of the interaction

Then theres those who speak passable english but all the nuances of your game and speech will be lost.

All of these further reduce your pool.

Theres still plenty left, but still.

Quote: (10-07-2016 06:07 PM)Vinny Wrote:  

@TrippleG: May I ask is "This is trouble" your average Joe?
FYI the dude has million viewer travel and pick-up blog, and several pick up products.

@Henny: Speaking of Russian. I had an instance of my wing approaching a girl in English just to hear "me no speak English" I approached in Russian shortly after and got the lead. Draw your own conclusions.

Hoe's and semi-pros speak good English. I guess they make a big portion of the English speaking population in central Kiev...

Yes, some girls speak English, it is true, but my point is that Russian is not overstated, quite the opposite. Cambodian is legit, I know from common people, but I am a living proof of improved results (there and abroad) by speaking a considerable amount of Russian (not fluent though).

And personally speaking, I have more fun with non-English speakers. Both in and off the sack.

Quote: (10-08-2016 07:01 AM)Going strong Wrote:  

Quote: (10-08-2016 05:53 AM)Henny Wrote:  

Quote: (10-07-2016 06:04 PM)Rocha Wrote:  

Quote: (10-07-2016 05:42 PM)Henny Wrote:  

I think people overstate the importance of Russian some what, nobody can deny it's a big advantage, but the girls who don't speak English are often the 9+'s , which are very hard to obtain, and the village skanks which are not appealing. It is nice to be able coerce a girl into bed using your brain sometimes though.

If I had to think of guys I met in Ukraine that have done well with the ladies, many of them barely spoke a lick of the lingo.

I would say appearance and confidence is more useful, you don't have to be particularly handsome but you should dress well and be fearlessly confident.

I've met quite a few scruffy foreigners that spam approach girls and say "Hello, do you speak English?"...."NO!!!!"...... then coming back saying "Oh my gawddd, I could tell she was really hot for me but she didn't speak any English, poor girl, if I spoke Russian I would clear up in this city!!" ))

All is useful. Russian, (and why not) English, clothing, style, looks, physical appearance, boldness, confidence... But Russian is not overstated, it's a real serious advantage and game changer. But of course a guy who does not bang or only bangs in the Philippines, acquiring Russian skills to bang slavic chicks would be unhelpful, girls would still be disgusted.

But...Abroad is a different story, though I have banged my share of Russians (LTR included), Ukrainians and Moldovans, I noticed that to a certain type of girls, my skills are hurtful, since some go abroad to runaway from the brute Russkoes and get some western dick and do not want a russified westerner, and others put a guy immediately in the hunter/player category, no matter how good the backstory. But still many like it, and this skill improves your SMV.

One would get the impression sometimes from posts in here that Russian is almost mandatory in Ukraine to achieve results. People told me when I first visited "Why are you going there? you don't speak Russian" when I arrived it was like a Bang conveyer belt.

Yes, a Bang conveyer belt loaded with the 50 chicks in town who speak good English and are active on Tinder, but have not left Ukraine yet (for various reasons, and I mostly mean, damaged goods). Think eskimo brothers here...

I'm talking about mostly students 18-21, I would not call many of them "Damaged Goods"

Quote: (10-08-2016 07:24 AM)Going strong Wrote:  

If you know Ukraine... can you fathom why a beautiful, slim, young, non-damaged good, woman who speaks good English (sure hint that her family is not poor and could send her abroad, but anyway, she herself could go abroad by her own means), would still be in Ukraine, unless she is the official girlfriend or even wife of a rich man himself having business in Ukraine (or unless she's under 20 and has not yet decided to leave, but will soon)?

Therefore if you tell me you found a 23 years old HB 8+ who speaks good English and is single and idly strolling the streets of Kiev to be gamed, I'd doubt you. Doesn't make sense... 22+ years old HB 8+ EE women who speak good English, are fucking sharp, real sharp, and they absolutely know that the world is theirs (and they see through you and me like through crystal my friend, game or not). Why would they spend their days idly in Kiev when NY or Paris or holiday in BKK beckon (unless they have secured a local oligarch)?

Depends on the age group you are talking about, personally speaking I work with predominately with 18-21 year olds

I find your view a bit shallow to think all attractive women over 21 have either left the country or married an Oligarch

Have you considered that some women may be intelligent and have a decent job, and/or actually have a solid family that they don't want to break from?

You have to wonder about Ukrainian women, especially over the 25 mark, that are attractive, single and don't appear to have a decent job. If they are staying in Ukraine then they have to find a guy with money otherwise they need to GTFO out of dodge.

Also many of the hottest chicks in Ukraine don't speak English because they don't have to, their looks is their biggest selling point. Some hotties speak perfect English though, due to modelling contracts, various sponsors from abroad etc.

I went to a foreigners meetup in Ukraine once, and it was full of thirty something year old women with no decent job, and saw this meeting as their last resort to find a guy with money, because the locals wouldn't touch her

Quote: (10-08-2016 09:34 AM)weener Wrote:  

You have to wonder about Ukrainian women, especially over the 25 mark, that are attractive, single and don't appear to have a decent job. If they are staying in Ukraine then they have to find a guy with money otherwise they need to GTFO out of dodge.

Also many of the hottest chicks in Ukraine don't speak English because they don't have to, their looks is their biggest selling point. Some hotties speak perfect English though, due to modelling contracts, various sponsors from abroad etc.

I went to a foreigners meetup in Ukraine once, and it was full of thirty something year old women with no decent job, and saw this meeting as their last resort to find a guy with money, because the locals wouldn't touch her

Also many of the hottest chicks in Ukraine don't speak English because they don't have to: totally true!

In FSU, most hot women (HB 7,5+) do not need to suffer, toil while studying a foreign language. Life is easy for them since they are, I don't know, 13 (earlier probably, studies show that beautiful kids are favored by teachers and everybody, even in a non-sexual way).
No need to graft for good dick and money, all is delivered to them effortlessly. So, they don't speak English, because studying a language comes from necessity, and what necessity do you have in life when you are a blonde 7,5? None.

I am still to meet, by the way, in FSU, a foreign man, "player" (lol, players for 6s they are all, in the best of cases) or expat, with his local 7,5 hottie (except Vronski and a couple of very rich men)... I mean, why would a local top-notch chick favor a wandering foreigner over a local mini-oligarch with car and social circle and macho EE man game? We get the 6s (the best of us, mind you, and actually I like HB6 chicks), the occasional drunk 6,5, and the damaged-good 7s (mental or physical sickness chicks). Ok, except the top 1% of us, but the top 1% of us would in any case clean the place in NY or Paris, they're losing their time in Kiev.

One opportunity that you get in Kiev, that you don't always see in other places, is that there's such a broad spectrum of women. There are just so many attractive girls in the city walking around that you really don't feel the need to exclusively hunt for perfect 9's and 10's

And after coming from Kiev, it almost seems like the 8,9,10 scale is based more on scarcity...especially in places where it really is hard to find lots of attractive women to date. There's just so many attractive women in Kiev that it starts to matter less.

As a result, the girls tend to be more consistently normal...i.e most of them want a better life sure but they're open to any guy who they can gave a good vibe with and isn't going to pump and dump them...that's just a waste of time for them... Hence the interrogations and the three date rule and the lack of a hookup culture.

If Ukraine were more "westernized" and had more money flowing in their economy, you'd probably see more of a hookup culture and all the problems that come with western society. (i.e women dressing less sexy and obesity)

Quote: (10-08-2016 09:48 AM)Going strong Wrote:  

Quote: (10-08-2016 09:34 AM)weener Wrote:  

You have to wonder about Ukrainian women, especially over the 25 mark, that are attractive, single and don't appear to have a decent job. If they are staying in Ukraine then they have to find a guy with money otherwise they need to GTFO out of dodge.

Also many of the hottest chicks in Ukraine don't speak English because they don't have to, their looks is their biggest selling point. Some hotties speak perfect English though, due to modelling contracts, various sponsors from abroad etc.

I went to a foreigners meetup in Ukraine once, and it was full of thirty something year old women with no decent job, and saw this meeting as their last resort to find a guy with money, because the locals wouldn't touch her

Also many of the hottest chicks in Ukraine don't speak English because they don't have to: totally true!

In FSU, most hot women (HB 7,5+) do not need to suffer, toil while studying a foreign language. Life is easy for them since they are, I don't know, 13 (earlier probably, studies show that beautiful kids are favored by teachers and everybody, even in a non-sexual way).
No need to graft for good dick and money, all is delivered to them effortlessly. So, they don't speak English, because studying a language comes from necessity, and what necessity do you have in life when you are a blonde 7,5? None.

I am still to meet, by the way, in FSU, a foreign man, "player" (lol, players for 6s they are all, in the best of cases) or expat, with his local 7,5 hottie (except Vronski and a couple of very rich men)... I mean, why would a local top-notch chick favor a wandering foreigner over a local mini-oligarch with car and social circle and macho EE man game? We get the 6s (the best of us, mind you, and actually I like HB6 chicks), the occasional drunk 6,5, and the damaged-good 7s (mental or physical sickness chicks). Ok, except the top 1% of us, but the top 1% of us would in any case clean the place in NY or Paris, they're losing their time in Kiev.

This hasn't been my experience. As always, a combination of looks, style, game and social skills are necessary. I don't see the point in pursuing average women in FSU where 7s are abundant. 9s are a different story but 7.5s are attainable, if you are able to pull this quality in your home country.

To summarize:

- Hotties don't speak English
- No one fucks above a 6
- Russian is crucial
- Oligarchs are the only ones banging girls (or Prosal)
- Mojitos are $1.25

Quote: (10-08-2016 10:48 AM)Cambodian Creamsicle Wrote:  

- Oligarchs are the only ones banging girls (or Prosal)
- Mojitos are $1.25

Quote: (10-07-2016 06:45 PM)invictusiii Wrote:  

Hey Vinny,

Have you been to Lviv and how did you fare? Was speaking Russian a turn-off to them?

Yes. I went there for 2 consecutive weekends on a train from Kiev. BTW great train service, fast and pretty modern.

I did surprisingly well and liked the city a lot. My only SNL on that trip in Ukraine happened in Lviv although the LMR was epic. 3 hours of struggling and fighting mentally on every step of the stairs to my apartment on the 2nd floor
I had one daygame bang. I met girl on one weekend and banged her on the next one. The reason I came second time was cause she invited me to a Ukrainian wedding as her escort. Could not miss that.

It is a bit to small to daygame for a long time, as you start seeing same people after couple of days. City center is very condensed to 1 square kilometer, where everyone seems to go out to.

Speaking Russian will help unless you are Turkish, most of the Turkish students speak fluent Russian, not that it does them any good. When was last time you saw a Turk with a top class piece of ass? Never, except when he's paying a lot.

Come to think of it, when is the last time you saw any foreigner with anything above an 8 who wasn't paying big money for it? Never

So if we can bang 7's and some 8's with English, what's the point of learning Russian?

Quote: (10-08-2016 10:48 AM)Cambodian Creamsicle Wrote:  

To summarize:

- Hotties don't speak English
- No one fucks above a 6
- Russian is crucial
- Oligarchs are the only ones banging girls (or Prosal)
- Mojitos are $1.25

Good ole Prosal, I will keep an eye out for a Brylecreemed guy in a fur jacket in Kiev

He was regular poster on mongers forum ISG, blabbing about his wardrobe as usual