My texting "game" is not exactly wonderful, so take this FWIW. Learn to be playful. I make the mistake of making things too serious sometimes, just put your phone down a second and do something else. It will help you cool down with your responses.

Agree and amplify, don't take her shit tests seriously and stop investing so much in a girl who you don't even want to date exclusively. Even if you wanted to date her exclusively, you need to chill and start hanging out with other girls.

I also don't know why,but I get the distinct feeling this girl smokes a lot of weed.

Quote: (08-17-2016 06:56 PM)fiasco360 Wrote:  

Even if you wanted to date her exclusively, you need to chill and start hanging out with other girls.

I also don't know why,but I get the distinct feeling this girl smokes a lot of weed.

LOL, yes this bitch always brings her vape pen around with her. I dont mind it though, she's good company and I even take a hit sometimes. How did you guess?

But yes, I am seeing other girls too, and my main takes most of my time - thats not really an issue. I'm just pedestalling and I gotta tone it down. Or figure how to make her want an LTR.

Alien face emoji.

No rules.

Go with the flow.

Mistakenly called you in the morning on accident.

Also an Asian 9 being out and around with other guys and getting a lot of attention online isn't as normal as white girls or latinas doing it. Hot Asian girls often come from rich families and are expected to date and marry other rich Asian guys, not be a piece of ass for some RVF'er

That may be a ganja royal flush profile.

Quote: (08-17-2016 07:03 PM)Travesty Wrote:  

Alien face emoji.

No rules.

Go with the flow.

Mistakenly called you in the morning on accident.

My phone displayed it weird cuz its not updated, but here is what she actually sent (upside down smilie)

I guess that smilie just confirms even more that she's a pothead huh

Quote: (08-17-2016 07:03 PM)Travesty Wrote:  

Alien face emoji.

No rules.

Go with the flow.

Mistakenly called you in the morning on accident.

Also an Asian 9 being out and around with other guys and getting a lot of attention online isn't as normal as white girls or latinas doing it. Hot Asian girls often come from rich families and are expected to date and marry other rich Asian guys, not be a piece of ass for some RVF'er

That may be a ganja royal flush profile.

Bingo. I need to be more precise with my language and remove the "I don't know why." That was pretty much the reason. I've banged an asian girl similar to this, maybe not quiet as hot as a 9 but they were attractive, had a lot of options and went to an ivy league, but completely whitewashed.

Lol, problem of quality.

First props on seeing through her questions, good game.

Second, if she's as hot as you say, as good as sex as you say...she's naturally going to get offers, and she's clearly been getting fuck lessons someplace.

Not facing that FACT means you haven't fully accepted the game or the red pill.

Bitches love sex. And if they can get it without all the social drama, they'll get it.

If you want her exclusively, you basically need to kick her off the pedestal you have her on.

Her price is basically a guy that's not intimidated by her sexuality. Most guys are, and most guys want to lock her down.

You have to be above that, but that means you have to value her less than you do. Her antics can't get a rise out of you.

To do that, you need to pull someone even hotter. With time and experience you don't need to prove to yourself that beauty is common, but now it seems that you do.

Otherwise you're in this unwinnable situation where the girl's sexual options don't let you be the man that you know you are.

WIA

Quote: (08-17-2016 06:06 PM)Travesty Wrote:  

I don't understand the don't let the girls spend the night rule. To me that is fear speaking. With American chicks most of them especially younger ones in my experience want to leave a lot of the time anyways even when they really like you because they fear more than anything being perceived as vulnerable and clingy.

If the chick is cool (if she isn't yeah kick her out after sex) as long as you act cool about it both sleeping next to her and in the morning (not acting too glad) then it can actually help your cause a lot for repeat bangs and getting exclusivity.

She has to be the one to ask though and when she does you have to be very cool about it.

Thinking back I don't think I have ever asked a long term fuck buddy to sleep over. They always are the ones to do it.

Indeed, if she wants to stay, let her stay, if she wants to leave, let her leave.

Fuck her extremely well and plow through her bullshit and you can keep this FWB going for a very long time.

This. Any legitimate 7-9 will have hundreds of guys orbiting around. The treat a 9 like a 6 definitely is poor advice as once you fuck up whenever their angry can shoot out one text and that's it

The "Treat a 9 like a 6" is more of an inner game mantra than anything else. It's about not letting a good looking bitch fuck you up - don't think of her as anything special. Let me put it into weight lifting perspective. Watch video of Mark Bell bench pressing. Watch him work up from 135 to whatever heavy ass weight he works up to for the that day. He has a philosophy that Chad Wesley Smith also preaches: treat 135 like its your max and treat your max like it's 135.

Mark gets a very tight set up and is all red faced pressing 135. This is a guy who can bench (almost) 600 lbs. While 135 is definitely no big deal for him whatsoever, he respects the weight and makes sure he uses proper setup, form, and intensity (ie game). Conversely, when he presses 520 lbs, he treats the weight the same. There maybe a bit more mental prep, and weight may move a little slower, but his setup is the same, his form is the same, and the way he handles the weight is the same. He's not afraid of the weight, no unsure himself, and certainly not pressing it nervously or sloppily. Sure you can certainly hurt yourself a lot easier with 520 lbs held above your body than with 135 (ie lower level chicks are more forgiving) but if you keep a steadfast headspace about it then the only thing that should be different in your lift is the speed of the bar.

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I get this point. However, I am willing to spend more time on a 9 than a 7, which means the game tools I'm using will be different.

For example, I will take the 9 to a nice bar, maybe change location. Whereas the 7 I'll take only to a park bench. From there I will bounce straight to the apartment. If the 7 doesn't bite, who cares. I'll take things much slower with the 9.

The problem is that these birds are rare, so there's less chance to practice high-level manoeuvres. I'm trying to be more selective about who I take out, and just focus on higher-level game.

Quote: (08-18-2016 11:19 AM)General Stalin Wrote:  

The "Treat a 9 like a 6" is more of an inner game mantra than anything else. It's about not letting a good looking bitch fuck you up - don't think of her as anything special. Let me put it into weight lifting perspective. Watch video of Mark Bell bench pressing. Watch him work up from 135 to whatever heavy ass weight he works up to for the that day. He has a philosophy that Chad Wesley Smith also preaches: treat 135 like its your max and treat your max like it's 135.

Mark gets a very tight set up and is all red faced pressing 135. This is a guy who can bench (almost) 600 lbs. While 135 is definitely no big deal for him whatsoever, he respects the weight and makes sure he uses proper setup, form, and intensity (ie game). Conversely, when he presses 520 lbs, he treats the weight the same. There maybe a bit more mental prep, and weight may move a little slower, but his setup is the same, his form is the same, and the way he handles the weight is the same. He's not afraid of the weight, no unsure himself, and certainly not pressing it nervously or sloppily. Sure you can certainly hurt yourself a lot easier with 520 lbs held above your body than with 135 (ie lower level chicks are more forgiving) but if you keep a steadfast headspace about it then the only thing that should be different in your lift is the speed of the bar.

Yes but the amount of game required to snag a 8 vs a 6 is extremely different. I've only had a few flings with what some would consider a 7.5/8. All my experiences point to a ton of shit tests and typical psychotic behavior that is rarely found among my regular 6 plates. I've never managed to get a 7.5+ in a LTR as they are just too demanding and taxing.

As you get to the top tier, its all about status + game + timing.

One thing I noticed are the 7.5+ live in quite a lonely world in which guys want to keep fucking them and girls are quite jealous with attention. As a result, attitudes will shift.

Now a 7.5 in the US may be a 6.5 in Ukraine, so environment is the main reason.

I don't buy that. There have been many threads and discussions on this board about what different kinds of game it allegedly takes to be with an 8 vs a 6 and everything in between. Individual results may vary here, but the hottest girl I ever banged I opened on OKC and she invited me over to go in her hot tub. We fucked that very night and continued to fuck for another month or so before she moved on. I also dated a 8/10 stripper for a year who wasn't anything special to deal with besides the fact she was a drug addict, chronic liar, and a whore, but such are strippers. I met her through friends and the first time we chilled was a double date and we went to an arcade. I think what helped me most to get her was that I was still hung up on another girl when we were first hooking up and I really just treated her like a booty call and didn't pay much mind to her. I didn't treat her special or give much of a shit because I was focused on trying to see about another bitch (and she knew it).

I don't have status and my game I'd say is maybe slightly above average. The only reason that hot bitched bailed on me was because I recognized she was hot and pedestalized/paid too much attention to her and wasn't trying to bang other girls. She saw my weakness and jumped ship.

All I'm saying is you won't do any good with very attractive women if you are stressing over fucking it up with them constantly or focusing too hard on having perfect game. Take them off the pedestal and just game as usual. In your mind treat them like any female you would like to spend time with make love with. I would say this even moreso because females in the top 10%-20% of attractiveness are likely so used to and tired of being worshipped by chumps that they have no respect for.

Like I said, individual experiences may vary but from my experience really good looking girls just need to be treated like any other girl you think is cute enough to bang. Someone said earlier that you can fuck up with a 6 and they will be more forgive... well yeah sure but if you are good with your game then you shouldn't be "fucking up" at all, whether it's a 6 or a 9. I know I don't fuck up when I press 135. I respect the weight.

Quote: (08-18-2016 11:52 AM)churros Wrote:  

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I get this point. However, I am willing to spend more time on a 9 than a 7, which means the game tools I'm using will be different.

For example, I will take the 9 to a nice bar, maybe change location. Whereas the 7 I'll take only to a park bench. From there I will bounce straight to the apartment. If the 7 doesn't bite, who cares. I'll take things much slower with the 9.

The problem is that these birds are rare, so there's less chance to practice high-level manoeuvres. I'm trying to be more selective about who I take out, and just focus on higher-level game.

I don't entirely get this half-ass approach.

With the 7, you are still wasting time. Why not swing for the fences from the get-go?

In my case, I run the same general game intensity on pretty much all women regardless of attractiveness. All I care about is whether I want to bang them or not.

If anything, I think people should spend less time trying to impress the upper scale chicks because they have seen it all already: the beach view property, the fancy car, the upscale restaurants, the love letters, prestigious job titles, the paid for exotic vacations, the stalkers, thirsty men from every direction constantly, tons of validation everyday, and people giving them/offering gifts and money. They might have not experienced all the aforementioned but it has been on the table for them and for the taking for a LONG time.

So, what can you offer that she hasn't been able to get easily for the last 5-10 years?

The experience of a man that is NOT impressed by her existence and treats her accordingly.

Throughout a privilege woman's life, the vast majority of men have kissed their ass and no woman deep down, consciously or unconsciously, wants to feel like they are superior to a man. And women have a sixth sense about them. They usually know when you view them as something extra special; even if you are being subtle about it. They can see it in your body language, in your eyes, in your tone, and so forth. That's when you're dead in their eyes. They've seen the fake "I don't really care" (be it in actions or words) types too.

I get the sense that people like the OP and some others feel they should tiptoe around a 9 and go the extra mile when in reality, the best thing to do is to consciously do the opposite if anything. You're don't have to act a dick or anything; you just treat the 9 like every other woman you want to bang.

With all women but especially the upper scale chicks:

To truly win, you have to truly not care. If you don't care, she can't hurt you. And if she can't hurt you, she will feel more attracted you. See, other men can try to buy their way in but they can't give her what she craves deep down in her core: a emotionally/mentally strong man that doesn't tolerate her bullshit nor kiss her ass. Of all the things in the world, that is something these upper scale women cannot get easily.

Quote: (08-17-2016 06:53 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  

Quote: (08-17-2016 06:41 PM)Travesty Wrote:  

Whenever your gut tingles and say this could be a wrong move before you text or say something simply shut up or put the phone down and wait it out until your gut smooths overjerk off.

Fixed it for you.

Rubbing one out always helps clear my head when I'm about to do some thirsty ass beta shit. Once you get that nut out you're like "man wtf was I thinking..." then just go about your business.

I'd like to note that typically a thread like this would be damned for pedestalizing one girl and micro managing such an interaction, but I think really digging into nuts-and-bolts game here is pretty beneficial.

100% truth. Definitely some biology behind this. Blowing a load has prevented me from doing lots of shit I'd have regretted.

Quote: (08-18-2016 02:22 PM)The Black Knight Wrote:  

Quote: (08-18-2016 11:52 AM)churros Wrote:  

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I get this point. However, I am willing to spend more time on a 9 than a 7, which means the game tools I'm using will be different.

For example, I will take the 9 to a nice bar, maybe change location. Whereas the 7 I'll take only to a park bench. From there I will bounce straight to the apartment. If the 7 doesn't bite, who cares. I'll take things much slower with the 9.

The problem is that these birds are rare, so there's less chance to practice high-level manoeuvres. I'm trying to be more selective about who I take out, and just focus on higher-level game.

I don't entirely get this half-ass approach.

With the 7, you are still wasting time. Why not swing for the fences from the get-go?

In my case, I run the same general game intensity on pretty much all women regardless of attractiveness. All I care about is whether I want to bang them or not.

-snip-

So, what can you offer that she hasn't been able to get easily for the last 5-10 years?

The experience of a man that is NOT impressed by her existence and treats her accordingly.

Throughout a privilege woman's life, the vast majority of men have kissed their ass and no woman deep down, consciously or unconsciously, wants to feel like they are superior to a man. And women have a sixth sense about them. They usually know when you view them as something extra special; even if you are being subtle about it. They can see it in your body language, in your eyes, in your tone, and so forth. That's when you're dead in their eyes. They've seen the fake "I don't really care" (be it in actions or words) types too.

To truly win, you have to truly not care. If you don't care, she can't hurt you. And if she can't hurt you, she will feel more attracted you. See, other men can try to buy their way in but they can't give her what she craves deep down in her core: a emotionally/mentally strong man that doesn't tolerate her bullshit nor kiss her ass. Of all the things in the world, that is something these upper scale women cannot get easily.

Black Night's write up is a fantastic example of how you should treat women and these given scenarios.

I agree, every single girl I've banged I've taken to the same place as others, the environment hasn't changed, the bartenders are the same and so are the drinks.

So there's only 2 factors involved in getting her to bed.

Her and I.

Yet her she is with you at a dive bar going home with you. It's happened to me a few times with some hotties.

I've been recently saying you have to fuck a girls mind to bed her, Black Knight is right - she's seen it all if she's that hot. Guys have thrown everything at her.

That's a scarcity in women and that high end of the scale, you know I'm beginning to realize - we only talk about women on this scale as having everything and being given everything, but not what they really need out of a man which Black Knight mentions.

I'd rep you again if I could man.

Saturday night: she posts an instagram picture of her in a bikini, gets her few hundred likes. i never like her shit.

She snapchats me a video of her and her basic ass female friend with the caption "bae"

I reply "how you feeling" (she was sick on friday)

her: are you worried?

me: stop trying to cupcake with me while you're with bae

her: you're bae too! miss you *kiss face*

She snapchats me a video of her with the caption "wearing your fav color with your fav filter" (using the infamous dog filter)

me: stop trying to make me miss you

no response from her and no texts from her sunday and today. I'm thinking of restarting to invite her to my place later. I want to smash before she leaves on wednesday on her vacation trip with her girls.

What would you guys do? would you restart or just let her do her thing.

No restart, you brought the word miss into the conversation.

Even though she did first, I wouldn't have and probably delay a long time before texting her back so she let's that sink in. Make her work harder for it, change the subject to something fun.

Your responses to her all sound like bitter-beta stuff. Obviously miffed at her and obvious she has you wrapped around her finger and toying with you emotionally. She's getting a rise out of the attention and drama. Eject.

Quote: (08-22-2016 10:16 PM)articulatecool Wrote:  

Saturday night: she posts an instagram picture of her in a bikini, gets her few hundred likes. i never like her shit.

She snapchats me a video of her and her basic ass female friend with the caption "bae"

I reply "how you feeling" (she was sick on friday)

her: are you worried?

me: stop trying to cupcake with me while you're with bae

her: you're bae too! miss you *kiss face*

She snapchats me a video of her with the caption "wearing your fav color with your fav filter" (using the infamous dog filter)

me: stop trying to make me miss you

no response from her and no texts from her sunday and today. I'm thinking of restarting to invite her to my place later. I want to smash before she leaves on wednesday on her vacation trip with her girls.

What would you guys do? would you restart or just let her do her thing.

Stop being so butt hurt. You're not trying to wife this girl.

Joke around more. Your responses are WAY too serious.

Her: "Are you worried?"
Me: "Yes I'm on the phone with the president trying to find you a cure"

^ Even that is stupid as hell but would start some banter.

I predict you are going to make things worse with this girl since you are clearly much more invested, but regardless consider doing the following (if you must):

Go out with friends, go hit a party, be a little more active on social media, hit her with a fun/party time snapchat and see if something works from there. Don't respond instantly and start working on making yourself busier for your own sake.

I still recommend fucking another girl, otherwise you will be caught under this girls spell even worse.

BTW, she's not the plate, you are.

Yeah I second the above - why are you so angry?

Just be funny and light, everything on social media must be superficially fun. No accusations, no butthurtness, just funny quips and strategic delays in messaging. If you don't like something, just take longer to answer, but don't point it out in writing.

"Don't try to make me miss you" - that basically says that you're starting to miss her. It's not good to verbalise that. Now where do you go from there if she's not gonna answer you? Now you have to wait quite a long time until you can re-engage with her. If she doesn't text back for a week, send a picture instead of a text. In should be a picture of you doing something cool and being at a cool location. After these texts that you sent you cannot sent a text like "hey what are you up to"

Quote: (08-23-2016 03:46 AM)fiasco360 Wrote:  

BTW, she's not the plate, you are.

This blew my mind.

Gave me a perspective I hadn't considered (lizards having plates rather than orbiters). Have a rep.

Even with all this help you're still making the same mistake.

Getting jealous/butthurt/neurotic about this girl.

Remember what I said about thinking how the text you're going to send will make you look ?

You aren't remember that.

KISS - Keep It Simple Stupid

Keep light funny and easy going.

Quote:Quote:

I reply "how you feeling" (she was sick on friday) "have you died from your AIDS yet?"

her: are you worried?

me: stop trying to cupcake with me while you're with bae "Just wanted to know what when the funeral was"

her: you're bae too! miss you *kiss face* (this wouldn't of been the reply)

She snapchats me a video of her with the caption "wearing your fav color with your fav filter" (using the infamous dog filter)

me: stop trying to make me miss you "basic bitch filter on point !"

I'm pretty sarcastic in person and via text, the girls laugh and love it and it helps the banter along. OR I send pics of shit I'm doing or even a meme or 2 to fuck with them. (like Ice has mentioned)

Quote: (08-23-2016 03:46 AM)fiasco360 Wrote:  

Quote: (08-22-2016 10:16 PM)articulatecool Wrote:  

Saturday night: she posts an instagram picture of her in a bikini, gets her few hundred likes. i never like her shit.

She snapchats me a video of her and her basic ass female friend with the caption "bae"

I reply "how you feeling" (she was sick on friday)

her: are you worried?

me: stop trying to cupcake with me while you're with bae

her: you're bae too! miss you *kiss face*

She snapchats me a video of her with the caption "wearing your fav color with your fav filter" (using the infamous dog filter)

me: stop trying to make me miss you

no response from her and no texts from her sunday and today. I'm thinking of restarting to invite her to my place later. I want to smash before she leaves on wednesday on her vacation trip with her girls.

What would you guys do? would you restart or just let her do her thing.

Go out with friends, go hit a party, be a little more active on social media, hit her with a fun/party time snapchat and see if something works from there. Don't respond instantly and start working on making yourself busier for your own sake.

I still recommend fucking another girl, otherwise you will be caught under this girls spell even worse.

BTW, she's not the plate, you are.

Great reminder.... as much as I tell myself she's just a plate, I spend a lot of time trying to figure out how to interact with this bitch. Just the fact that I started this thread on her - says about how much effort I'm putting in. I gotta stop being her plate. Thanks bro.

And about social media, I'm just not that active on social media to begin with. I get tagged in a good amount of pics, but I rarely post anything myself. Just not my style, and I haven't accepted her facebook friend request. So our only medium is snapchat.

I am in the works of getting new pussy, but I want to keep this one around. The amount of time it takes to get an 8.5 is a bit much for the moment, considering how busy work and looking to purchase a new home is. And this is why I'm pedastaling her.

Kaotic's texts are great. That is how I text when I have multiple plates and DGAF.

You cannot take her seriously.

Try to feel and think from an angle of you want her to question herself. Put mental and emotional pressure on her.

Christian McQueen used to say on this board and GManifesto as well to an extent going out at night is like going to war. You have to prepare and have a mindset. Then guys say no no no it is about just having a good time!

At the root of the interaction with American girls especially it is a battle of emotional wills. You need to get in her head and have her running laps for you.

I say if she is frustrating you then drop her. Girls you are jut hooking up with should not be getting under your skin. If this was some long term relationship where you both had some skin in the game between eachother then I would say it's something worth working out - but if she is frustrating you then you either have to work on your own outlook or drop her.