[kaotic]

(08-23-2016 02:36 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  

I say if she is frustrating you then drop her. Girls you are jut hooking up with should not be getting under your skin. If this was some long term relationship where you both had some skin in the game between eachother then I would say it's something worth working out - but if she is frustrating you then you either have to work on your own outlook or drop her.

Thing is, it's the hottest girls he's basically been with, shit I know part of my biology would want me to lock her down, part her pink sea, and push load and after load inside of her like a goddamn UPS truck.

Thing is I can keep it in check, it oozes out of his texts.

This scenario gets toxic because yeah it's getting under his skin, it clouds his game/judgement/strategy.

AC needs to kick back from this.

[articulatecool]

(08-23-2016 02:36 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  

I say if she is frustrating you then drop her. Girls you are jut hooking up with should not be getting under your skin. If this was some long term relationship where you both had some skin in the game between eachother then I would say it's something worth working out - but if she is frustrating you then you either have to work on your own outlook or drop her.

I don't know if I can say she is frustrating me. I am enjoying this chase and I'm certainly learning a lot from it. Kaotic said it - she is a hot chick and I want to keep banging her for a long time.

She called me last night, I picked up and we talked for about an hour. She said she wanted to hear my voice so she called. Hinted that I should give her a call at night sometimes. I wasn't going to give her that much time on the phone but the conversations went well. I should've capped it at around 20 mins.

[kaotic]

(08-23-2016 06:18 PM)articulatecool Wrote:  

(08-23-2016 02:36 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  

I say if she is frustrating you then drop her. Girls you are jut hooking up with should not be getting under your skin. If this was some long term relationship where you both had some skin in the game between eachother then I would say it's something worth working out - but if she is frustrating you then you either have to work on your own outlook or drop her.

I don't know if I can say she is frustrating me. I am enjoying this chase and I'm certainly learning a lot from it. Kaotic said it - she is a hot chick and I want to keep banging her for a long time.

She called me last night, I picked up and we talked for about an hour. She said she wanted to hear my voice so she called. Hinted that I should give her a call at night sometimes. I wasn't going to give her that much time on the phone but the conversations went well. I should've capped it at around 20 mins.

It's okay to ignore her calls to, let her hamster run, maybe you're out, maybe you're with another girl, maybe you're sleeping. Doing those kinds of things has her chasing you, by calling you up, she's thinking of you and chasing you, but albeit, maybe keeping tabs on you.

I wouldn't let convos run that long - you don't give her what she wants. You're a busy guy remember ? You've got shit to do and if she seeks your attention, it's her job to reach out and get it. Not the other way around.

[articulatecool]

(08-23-2016 06:27 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

It's okay to ignore her calls to, let her hamster run, maybe you're out, maybe you're with another girl, maybe you're sleeping. Doing those kinds of things has her chasing you, by calling you up, she's thinking of you and chasing you, but albeit, maybe keeping tabs on you.

I wouldn't let convos run that long - you don't give her what she wants. You're a busy guy remember ? You've got shit to do and if she seeks your attention, it's her job to reach out and get it. Not the other way around.

I hate how I keep forgetting that. It doesn't sound crazy when I read it. But here's what my rationale was last night:

My voice is on the deeper side and I'm pretty well spoken, so girls love talking on the phone with me. It is very very rare that a girl cuts off the phone call once hearing me talk. She and I don't talk on the phone often, so I thought giving her a little phone time last night would keep her interested. She even complained that I didn't snapchat her as much when I left town, yet she snapchatted me a lot.

I keep thinking that if I'm too aloof with her, she will stray. Her Instagram blows up with likes and dudes commenting and I'm almost sure her phone blows up with DMs. I figure that if she has to work hard for my attention, she'll just jump on Chad's dick instead.

Thoughts?

[kaotic]

Calling her every night and snapping her constantly is one thing (I never give bitches my snapchat out, there's hardly the rare occasion)

Giving her a ring every so often under the pretense that you hate texting and it's better on the phone.

Many of the girls I've slept with don't know I have a IG, Snap, or FB. I make sure they don't.

Following such a hottie on social media will DRIVE YOU CRAZY.


She's obviously an attention whore but.....can you really blame her ? She's being spoon fed it every single day by 100's of thirsty dudes.

She doesn't have to work hard, but she needs to chase you a bit.


You still need to reel back your emotions, play it funny and cool. Doesn't need to be super aloof either, but don't be constantly and immediately responding to her texts, calls, snaps.

Trying to maintain something with such a hot commodity can be stressful, in your case it's clear you aren't ready for this level of hottie or game POST bang.

Just remember, no matter what, you won, you fucked her and won.

[General Stalin]

Getting a girl to chase you and try hard for you attention is like crack to girls who are used to getting what they want and having men bend over backwards for them. Getting her to chase you just a little is the perfect scenario. You need to be in a position where you are more important to her than she is to you. Right now I think it is the other way around and it shows in your interactions with her.

Chatting on the phone is fine but I generally don't want to be prattling on with a girl for an hour. At that point she might as well just come over and see me.

[articulatecool]

(08-23-2016 07:07 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

Trying to maintain something with such a hot commodity can be stressful, in your case it's clear you aren't ready for this level of hottie or game POST bang.

Just remember, no matter what, you won, you fucked her and won.

That is true, I am not used to this at all. And I will take this is a huge learning experience. Just gotta keep telling myself that I already won.

(08-23-2016 07:11 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  

Chatting on the phone is fine but I generally don't want to be prattling on with a girl for an hour. At that point she might as well just come over and see me.

Yeah I thought about that, but I was about to meet another girl 6.5/10 in the city when she called. Next time she calls that late, I will tell her to just swing by.

[Travesty]

You can recover easily from being too aloof after banging a chick and she likes you. It is a wet dream for a girl to reel in a guy she likes that is being too aloof for her.

You can almost never recover from being too needy or available.

[General Mayhem]

(08-23-2016 06:44 PM)articulatecool Wrote:  

I keep thinking that if I'm too aloof with her, she will stray. Her Instagram blows up with likes and dudes commenting and I'm almost sure her phone blows up with DMs. I figure that if she has to work hard for my attention, she'll just jump on Chad's dick instead.

Thoughts?

Browse some old posts on the forum and you will find cases where guys wished they would have played it more aloof.

There are far fewer cases where guys wished they would have played it less aloof.

Maybe you don't get it now. These guys are trying to tell you to stay aloof but you can't stop yourself from thinking otherwise.

Eventually you will get to a point with your game where you will truly just stop giving a shit and bitches will have to beg for more of you every step of the way. It's hard behavior to fake display unless it's genuine.

What is more regrettable? Being too eager or too aloof?

Like Trav said, you can always recover from being too aloof. Most of us do it all the time. Fuck a chick and lose interest. Get horny and step back in for another go round. If you spook her there is no stepping back in. She's gone.

It's like stalking trophy bucks in the back country. Most of the time you can't be too aloof. Let it stand up and bed back down 20 yards away in some new shade. No problem. You can adjust and still close. But if you come in too hot and spook it what you were chasing has bounded up over the ridge out of sight.

So what if you are too aloof? Maybe she starts thinking you are an asshole or a player. Easy to turn on the charm from there.

So what if other guys are blowing up her phone? You really think their game is that good?

I've had girls like this always getting hit with texts and likes but they were almost numb to it. Petty entertainment can still only do so much for these broads. They want the show stopper. The guy that drives them crazy because he fucks with their mind. The guy that blows them off and then shows up at the bar and expects her to come home with him. She will put up some token resistance because, "you're such a dick and never text me back" but she will come home with you.

Then the next day the likes and texts will keep rolling in but now your balls are empty.

It's crazy what you can get away with being a dick(aloof game). Like a lot of guys here I have fucked a lot of girls who have never had a nice thing to say about me.

Take it to heart.

[General Stalin]

GM spitting truth here

[articulatecool]

What would you guys say to this?

[Travesty]

i'll bring the champagne you bring the tits

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don't write that

[kaotic]

If you're free 9/5 then say sure, if not, re frame.

I would tease about about some lingerie or her getting a toy you can use on her.

One of the best gifts I ever got was a whip, cuffs, and bed restraints.

Gotta start being assertive and dominant.

Don't say, "it's open" - "I have a few things going on, what's up ?"

[WestIndianArchie]

(08-23-2016 07:07 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

Following such a hottie on social media will DRIVE YOU CRAZY.

This is the new normal, and I can't stress it enough.

Sex has been overall devalued in 2016. You can basically get pussy delivered to your spot with Netflix + Seamless + Tinder + Uber. Plenty of "players" are fucking a lot.

But after you fuck these chicks - the sex is not going to make some deep mental impression that you think it's going to. It makes a bigger impression on you than it does her. She's just gonna get her momentary thrill, and then jump right back into the market.

It doesn't matter that she's wasting her youth, devaluing herself, dying a little bit inside - she's addicted to the attention. She loves the "lifestyle".

Even when you manage to put a hot chick on your team, she's getting offers from guys that are promising more than you can deliver...on paper. Even if she's in "love"...that friend count is growing, that follower list is increasing.

You're having a night in watching Netflix, and she's on her phone...

Not that you were ever secure in a relationship before, but now these bitches are *blatant* with the shit.

Your inner game and your in-person skills are even more important.

WIA

[kaotic]

(08-26-2016 06:11 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

Sex has been overall devalued in 2016. You can basically get pussy delivered to your spot with Netflix + Seamless + Tinder + Uber. Plenty of "players" are fucking a lot.

I need to stress this enough - sex is ABSOLUTELY been devalued to an all time low especially with dating apps. There's a new generation of players who are ordering pussy via apps.

I'm absolutely guilty of this, my front foot is halfway into online game my backfoot has a decent foundation in classical game.

There's been a huge shift the last few years.

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But after you fuck these chicks - the sex is not going to make some deep mental impression that you think it's going to. It makes a bigger impression on you than it does her. She's just gonna get her momentary thrill, and then jump right back into the market.

It doesn't matter that she's wasting her youth, devaluing herself, dying a little bit inside - she's addicted to the attention. She loves the "lifestyle".

Nailed it, leaving a girl wet and sopping is great, but she just got her kicks, that's it. You have to fuck her mind, even with that, she can have a wild hair up her ass and move on.

Unfortunately I think banging more and more girls is making me die a little bit inside - as far as hopes for children or even an LTR. There's somewhat of a gray murky side to game - heaven and purgatory - which has been discussed recently. I still have hope in good women. Even though AWALT.

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Even when you manage to put a hot chick on your team, she's getting offers from guys that are promising more than you can deliver...on paper. Even if she's in "love"...that friend count is growing, that follower list is increasing.

You're having a night in watching Netflix, and she's on her phone...

Not that you were ever secure in a relationship before, but now these bitches are *blatant* with the shit.

Your inner game and your in-person skills are even more important.

WIA

Hot chicks are fleeting, unless you have her mind absolutely locked down and she's chasing you to almost Stage 5 status - it's just your turn fucking her.

You're going to have guys constantly hitting on her, constantly sliding into her DM, constanly simping and offering the world.

Men can never lose their self confidence, game, and foundation.

Having that inner game and in person skill set gives such an edge in today's world and dating market.

[AboveAverageJoe]

I think it is clear that OP can not make a recovery from his early pedstalling and thirstiness. It is ok.
Don't make the same mistake on your next 7 and for God sakes stop rating women above 9. There is no such thing. Push her in the pool and I bet she comes out looking like a 7 at best. Asian women are the undisputed masters of makeup.

[kaotic]

(08-26-2016 12:20 PM)AboveAverageJoe Wrote:  

I think it is clear that OP can not make a recovery from his early pedstalling and thirstiness. It is ok.
Don't make the same mistake on your next 7 and for God sakes stop rating women above 9. There is no such thing. Push her in the pool and I bet she comes out looking like a 7 at best. Asian women are the undisputed masters of makeup.

I think he's still got a shot, look at the texts from her, she's still chasing him trying to have him reserve a slot for her.

It seems like she's into the OP but also definitely an attention whore.

He hasn't lost it yet, but he entered it not really capable or armed to handle that 9.

I mean he already banged her, this isn't pre bang game/text.

This is more about having experience in sliding a hottie into your rotation.

[General Stalin]

There's some good modern game talk going on here now.

This is no new news, but it bears repeating: in today's culture of social media, you can not stop or control women getting unsolicited messages and comments (offers) from other men constantly. It happens, and its going to continue happening. Sex, and more importantly, relationships, commitment, and monogamy have all been devalued. Young women of today have far less inhibitions or reservations about getting involved with other men aside from men they are already involved with. Women are encouraged to "date around" and hold off on any kind of commitment. The introduction of social media and online dating has opened the flood gates for men, including weak, desperate, thirsty, and social uncalibrated men, to make passes on women constantly with little-to-no confrontation of repercussions.

It is certainly possible to find good women, in the West too, but... if we're being honest with ourselves, odds are quite slim you are going lock-down a smoking hot sweetheart who's 19 who will never stray or get enticed by what other options she has regardless of your game.

[WestIndianArchie]

At GS, I'm not holding out hope. I don't think unicorns exist. Especially when I see ugly and fat girls getting what are ostensibly quality men. A cute chick? A sexy one? A beautiful one?

This is the state of play, all relationships are explicitly conditional.

In theory, the only viable strategy is to grab em youngish, and knock them up before the domestic bliss wears off. Round two and three to keep her occupied.

But then she has you by the balls for child support...

Outta answers myself.

So my solution has been to not worry about it, and let her worry about keeping my interest. It's not a 100% winner, but the old option is a definite loser.

Interesting times

WIA

[RedPillUK]

(08-26-2016 12:20 PM)AboveAverageJoe Wrote:  

I think it is clear that OP can not make a recovery from his early pedstalling and thirstiness. It is ok.
Don't make the same mistake on your next 7 and for God sakes stop rating women above 9. There is no such thing. Push her in the pool and I bet she comes out looking like a 7 at best. Asian women are the undisputed masters of makeup.

I agree, no such thing as a ten. Ten is perfection. Maybe it is possible with photoshop, but in reality no.

I'm sure she is a stunning girl but her behaviour is so masculine and slutty, there's no point pedestalising her because you would never want to be in a long term relationship with her.

It doesn't sound as she actually does anything for you other than being very attractive.

Her behaviour is very similiar to a male player which is a turn off.

Taking other dicks in Vegas is also a turn off.

You have to see some other girls and take her off your mind somehow. Maybe then you'll be able to see the situation more clearly and take a better course of action.

[RedPillUK]

(08-26-2016 02:00 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

At GS, I'm not holding out hope. I don't think unicorns exist. Especially when I see ugly and fat girls getting what are ostensibly quality men. A cute chick? A sexy one? A beautiful one?

This is the state of play, all relationships are explicitly conditional.

In theory, the only viable strategy is to grab em youngish, and knock them up before the domestic bliss wears off. Round two and three to keep her occupied.

But then she has you by the balls for child support...

Outta answers myself.

So my solution has been to not worry about it, and let her worry about keeping my interest. It's not a 100% winner, but the old option is a definite loser.

Interesting times

WIA

What if you don't get married, live in a country where there are no child support laws or cohabitation = marriage laws and / or live apart?

Just throwing some ideas out there, it seems almost impossible.

I think President Trump has come up with a good solution.. so it's not that hard, you just have to make shitloads of money..

[WestIndianArchie]

That's a viable solution for some, and I need to travel more for longer periods of time, but on its face I wouldn't leave the Anglosphere specifically for women elsewhere.

I've got a few friends of friends that left the states for Thailand and for Brazil. They went for women, but went native because of the lifestyle. Still stranger in a strange land. It's why I have a lot of respect for broken English speakers in this country.

A better quality of life is why I'd expatriate. Pretty women are a small part of that in my view.

WIA

[AboveAverageJoe]

The more you travel the more you realize women are the same everywhere. Hollywood and social media have an otherworldy reach. Even in the 80's Eddie Murphy was talking about having to go to the boonies and find a goonie-goo-goo bitch to get an uncorrupted one. What happens when he brings her to America? You guessed it.

[HonantheBarbarian]

On a separate note AAJ,

Both of those Eddie Murphy standup specials were so incredibly ahead of their time in terms of game, red pill thinking and overall truth.

The entire thing was pure gold in terms of game and relationship wisdom. One of my all time favs, not to mention fucking hilarious.

[The Black Knight]

(08-26-2016 02:00 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

At GS, I'm not holding out hope. I don't think unicorns exist. Especially when I see ugly and fat girls getting what are ostensibly quality men. A cute chick? A sexy one? A beautiful one?

This is the state of play, all relationships are explicitly conditional.

In theory, the only viable strategy is to grab em youngish, and knock them up before the domestic bliss wears off. Round two and three to keep her occupied.

But then she has you by the balls for child support...

Outta answers myself.

So my solution has been to not worry about it, and let her worry about keeping my interest. It's not a 100% winner, but the old option is a definite loser.

Interesting times

WIA

I've had similar thoughts for a while now, particularly in how relationships are always conditional and how I need to tip the conditions as far as possible in my favor to have a chance in making a family work. I thought leaving the US might be the answer but there is possibility another way.

One suggestion I have is to live/get married in a US state (like Texas) under certain conditions (solid pre-nup AND post-nup) along with a favorable environment (low capped child support being the big one) that acts as leverage in keeping the woman in-line and committed to the marriage. Why get married? To prevent "forum-shopping" (i.e. women seeking out other states with more favorable divorce/child support laws). Having a family in most states, regardless of the woman, is straight up financial suicide based on all the research I've done. But in a few states and with a pre-nup/post-nup contract, it's possible to set-up a fairly equitable arrangement that largely protects your finances.

It's not bullet proof but I think with a properly vetted woman (be it domestic or foreign), it has a decent chance of working out well; if only in large part due to minimizing the incentives for a woman in her darkest moments to blow up a marriage. If the pay day is far less, they will think twice about ending things. And since many women are overly emotional and a bit stupid, it's in everyone's best interest that they think a few times carefully, even if motivated purely out of selfishness, before making a major life decision that could impact many lives. Again, the plan is not bullet proof but it at least adds a few layers of body armor before going into the fight.